From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #337 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, September 16 2007 Volume 16 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Memento, and More [Rex ] Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! [2fs] Re: assignment for listless listers [Michael Sweeney ] RE: assignment for listless listers ["Brian Huddell" ] a new thread developing? [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #336 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: New lolfegz - figgered it out... [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: assignment for listless listers [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #336 [Rex ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! [Dol] Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! [Rex] More about 'Over the wall we go, all coppers are nanas' [hssmrg@bath.ac.u] reap ["michael wells" ] Re: Christopher Gross - please explain! [Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Memento, and More On 9/14/07, kevin wrote: t a 48 Rotund. > > Somebody could probably work up an interesting monograph on the inverse relation between Stills' waistline and the quality of his output. I useta think the quality went directly to zero post-Springfield, but recently I heard the first Manassas record, and it is not bad at all. Almost everything else is bad, and some of it is unspeakably horrid. (Remember, you can' spell "rotund" without T, U, R and D!) >>(though I'd skip "Make Love To You," amd if I could erase it from my brain I'd do that too) Word. Lord almighty, that reeks. "Black Coral" is pretty awful, too. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:59:42 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! On 9/14/07, David Stovall wrote: > > > > Really, this is monstrous. Think of a band with the bombast of Led > Zep or Crazy Horse on the Live Rust tour, but the chops to rip through > the 13/8 sections of Zappa's Inca Roads at very high tempo with tight > precision, and the attitude of "if more is better, too much is just > right." (Keneally was stunt-guitarist in Zappa's last touring band, > drummer Joe Travers is touring with Dweezil's Zappa-Plays-Zappa band.) The 13/8 sections are one thing - it's the 7/16 parts that are insane. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:19:13 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: assignment for listless listers lauren wrote: >p.s. oh, just kidding. anyway, it takes too much effort to have a nemesis. ...just ask Shriekback. Michael "I also like 'The Man Who' quite a bit, but found the rest of the band's output somewhat shite" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:12:47 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Christopher Gross - please explain! Jill says: > When I saw "I tripped over the Ottoman", I thought of a Dick Van Dyke > episode in which Rob and Laura have a fight, and we get two different > sides of the story. At one point, Rob trips over an Ottoman. Then you > wrote something about Seattle. And then you wrote "Morey Amsterdam," who > was on The Dick Van Dyke Show. Did I miss something here? Jill, this worked so well that I think FegList needs a regular thread: "Christopher Gross - please explain!" Note that even though Chris did not offer the actual explanation, the explanation was received. So, teamwork - yay. There's some things that have been bugging me for awhile, so I thought I'd try. Easy one first: (1) Is man's true nature good or evil? or am I asking the wrong question? Christopher Gross - please explain! (2) In "Chosen", did Buffy lie when she told Spike she loved him? Christopher Gross - please explain! as ever, Lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:09:11 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: assignment for listless listers > Word. > > PS why are we all suddenly using the expression "word" again? It's > the sheer economy of it, right? Verily. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:43:56 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: a new thread developing? Okay folks, looks like I see a thread developing. Not only do we have A: Terrible movies, and B: movies which, though terrible, are "guilty secrets" loved by individual fegs. Thus, for instance, while "Ishtar" may be one of the worst movies of all time and unwatchable, (and therefore qualifies under category A), two other genuine clunkers - "Highlander" and "Water" - are category B: I actually find them appealing enough that I have one on DVD and the other on vid. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:47:17 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #336 >I did score a marked-down DVD of Buckaroo Banzai though.)> >> > >Waste no time... the director's cut has Jamie Lee Curtis in it. Oh, and as for truly awful movies that are relieved by the appearance of Jamie-Lee Curtis, may I offer "True lies"? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:50:09 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: New lolfegz - figgered it out... >http://www.denisvengeance.com/crap/lolfeg/loljd08.jpg > >...took a few mins to decipher it, but... > >"...wey wey hep a hole ding dong yeah yeah..." > >Well done, James! Thang kew :) I wondered how long it would take people to figure it out. Lolfegz has become pretty much moribund (mmm. I like that word) lately, so I thought I'd breathe some life into it with a new one or two. >Michael "...And much better than my 'Dr. Sticky' riff" Sweeney Hey - not so. That's a goody! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:52:28 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: assignment for listless listers >Stewart says: > > lep wrote: > > > > > > he produced the travis album "the man who..." > > > that is just gorgeous. > > > > That statement means we can never be friends. > > Your mum quite likes Travis. > >perhaps we could try for nemeses? Or fish below the ice, perhaps? James (posting faaar too much) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:37:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #336 On 9/15/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > >I did score a marked-down DVD of Buckaroo Banzai though.)> >> > > >Waste no time... the director's cut has Jamie Lee Curtis in it. > > Oh, and as for truly awful movies that are relieved by the appearance > of Jamie-Lee Curtis, may I offer "True lies"? Almost relieved... that there is one of the squickiest, most discomforting films ever passed off as mass entertainment. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:14:49 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Colin McRae, rally driver, 39; helicopter crash. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:28:37 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! At 12:02 AM 9/15/2007, Rex wrote: >-Rex, who just got married today, the witness who signed having just >become Mrs. Erik Estrada, and no, I don't make this shit up Congrats!!! I'm just two weeks behind you in the re-marrying sweepstakes; now I feel like I've gotta get Cheryl Ladd or Robert Pine to attend. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:45:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: tl;dr: radio headquarters, we're running low on dub and paisley! On 9/15/07, Dolph Chaney wrote: > At 12:02 AM 9/15/2007, Rex wrote: > >-Rex, who just got married today, the witness who signed having just > >become Mrs. Erik Estrada, and no, I don't make this shit up > > Congrats!!! I'm just two weeks behind you in the re-marrying sweepstakes; > now I feel like I've gotta get Cheryl Ladd or Robert Pine to attend. To clarify, it wasn't THE Erik Estrada. But it was AN Erik Estrada. It just makes for a good story, and remains true. So just have someone named, I dunno, Tom Wopat show up and you're golden. Thanks everyone, and congratulations, Dolph. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:20:51 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: More about 'Over the wall we go, all coppers are nanas' Just found out that this great sixties classic was written by David Bowie: Well, what do you know? Who'd have thought it? ect ect... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:43:41 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: reap Gene Savoy, the "real" Indiana Jones: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070916/ap_on_re_us/obit_savoy Too bad he didn't die from something more interesting, i.e. poison darts, crashing on an abandoned mine tram, etc. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Christopher Gross - please explain! On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, lep wrote: > Jill, this worked so well that I think FegList needs a regular thread: > "Christopher Gross - please explain!" Heh. As long as most of the hard work is done by someone else, as Jeff did here, I'm game. > There's some things that have been bugging me for awhile, so I thought > I'd try. Easy one first: > > (1) Is man's true nature good or evil? or am I asking the wrong > question? Christopher Gross - please explain! Man's true nature is that he is capable of both good and evil. Whether this is the wrong question depends on the purpose of the question, which was not given here. (Bonus information: either/or questions are almost always too simplistic to be useful in practice.) Below is a spoiler for the Buffy series finale, which some of you haven't seen yet. First some spoiler space: . . . . warning: last chance to look away before spoiler . . . . > (2) In "Chosen", did Buffy lie when she told Spike she loved him? > Christopher Gross - please explain! It's ambiguous, but I tend to think that both Buffy and Spike were telling the truth. Buffy did love him -- at that moment. But it's easy to love someone who is in the act of saving the world, and even easier when you realize that he's going to be dead in another minute. What Spike realizes at this final, supremely truthful moment, is that she doesn't love him the *way* he wants. It's an upwelling of feeling in extreme circumstances, not True Love. If he survived, it could never work out between them. That's what his "No, you don't. But thanks for saying it" meant. It's an update of his little speech in The Gift: "I know you'll never love me. I know that I'm a monster. But you treat me like a man." In both cases he realizes he can't have what he wants, and is grateful for what Buffy does give him. But in The Gift he blames himself for being a monster who isn't worthy of Buffy, who treats him better than he deserves. In Chosen, there's no blame, just a bittersweet recognition that given their natures and his past, things couldn't have gone any better than they did between them. And at the end, he's okay with that. YMMV, of course. Fans of the Buffy-Spike relationship -- "Spuffistas" is one nickname -- can take comfort in the way they came together at the end. Spike spent his last night on earth in Buffy's arms. Regardless of what they actually did that night (it doesn't really have a sex vibe IMO), Buffy was treating him as her lover. And yes, Buffy's last word of spoken dialogue on the show is ... "Spike." So Spuffistas, you have something to rejoice over. I won't try to take it away from you. But in MY opinion, Spike is not Buffy's One True Love. He's not even someone she could have a successful long-term relationship with. The end of the show was about Buffy finding her way out of the Slayer trap, not finding her soulmate. Furthermore, Spike was not "good" before he got his soul back, and in fact seeing him as a good guy in season 6 overlooks the ambiguity that really makes the character interesting. Even after Spike gets his soul back, he's not entirely heroic. The Buffy-Spike relationship is not primarily a love story. In S6, it's part of Buffy's struggle with depression and despair; their relationship is actually part of the problem, just as it would have been if she had, say, turned to heroin for comfort. In S7, it's more of a story in its own right, but still not a romance IMO. Let's see, what else.... Buffy's last spoken word was "Spike," but at the end (a good three minutes after that word) she's clearly looking forward toward the future, not mourning Spike. Spike, though certainly an interesting character, really got more attention than he deserved in the last season, at the expense of the other main cast. Pre-soul, pre-chip Spike really was evil being who enjoyed causing suffering, not just an amoral guy who liked to fight. Other characters should not be judged solely on how they treat Spike; for example, those who remember his evil days are not themselves evil for failing to love the new Spike. And chiseled cheekbones, a macho strut and a cool long black coat do not add up to a perfect man. So there. Despite my concessions at the beginning of this paragraph, I differ from the hardcore Spuffistas on many points. - --Chris ps: Watch Felicia Day, Vi the Potential Slayer on BTVS season 7 (and real-life World of Warcraft player), in a new online video series here: http://watchtheguild.com/episodes.html ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #337 ********************************