From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #329 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 11 2007 Volume 16 : Number 329 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [Tom Clark ] Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [Capuchin ] Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [Rex ] Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [Dolph Chaney ] WTF??? (was: a long mess...) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [lep ] Re: WTF??? (was: a long mess...) [Rex ] Qs ["Michael Sweeney" ] Indy news ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: WTF??? (was: a long mess...) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Indy news ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Indy news ["Jason Brown" ] Re: Quick trip to London [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Quick trip to London [Rob ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Benjamin Luk] Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: tl;dr: stuck inside of Mobile with the what now? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Bikes on Broadway ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Indy news [kevin ] Re: TV [kevin ] Re: My name is "Eb": Somebody get me a cheeseburger [Tom Clark ] Re: REAP [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: REAP [kevin ] Re: TV [Rex ] tl;dr (0% Roback content) [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:15:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" On Sep 10, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > i've been thinking to include covers *of* robyn in the discography > torrent. > anybody got a list? the only ones i know of that've been released > are the > replacements' "Sleeping Knights", the circle jerks' "I Wanna > Destroy You", > and "Psychedelic Love" (can't recall the name of the > band...loveletter?). There's the Guy Pierce covers in "A Slipping Down Life", if that counts: "You've Got a Sweet Mouth on you Baby" & "Elizabeth Jade" And "Chinese Bones" by the Grateful Dead & Suzanne Vega is readily available. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, 2fs wrote: > "leering," dammit! "Leering." Maybe YOUR Aunt Mabel. Mine's behind the stick of her private jet, bearing down on the head of that Fender and screeching at the top of her creosote-filled lungs, "I'm a pigworker, mama!" But weddings are different in different parts of the country. I can respect that. J. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:39:11 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" On 9/10/07, 2fs wrote: > > Surely you haven't forgotten Debbie Gibson's cover of "I Wanna Destroy You"? > (If you have, my apologies for recalling it for you.) I know it's hard to believe, even after all these years, but the Debbie Gibson cover of "I Wanna Destroy You" and the Circle Jerks cover of "I Wanna Destroy You"... are the same cover of "I Wanna Destroy You". However, Uncle Tupelo's version of "I Wanna Destroy You" is a completely different one. There are of course the two whole Glass Flesh compilatons, which do contain work by... well, how do you define "real" bands? Signed artists? There were a few on there. I'm sure Vic Chesnutt fans have anthologized his track elsewhere... And there was that whole album of covers that that one guy did... hold on... ah yes, Tommy Mackay's tribute album "Vibrating". Mike Runion also put out a live version of "Chinese Bones" on his "Untitled/Dust Me" EP, and we just recently got a link to the Jennifers' cover of "Queen of Eyes". Surely there's a Colin Meloy cover of something out there... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:25 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" At 09:52 PM 9/10/2007, Stacked Crooked wrote: >thoughts on the new josh ritter? > >on first listen, i was sure that it needs must end up in my top ten for the >decade. after a while, as each song ended, i would hope against hope that >it wouldn't be the last one. (eventually, these hopes were dashed.) > >on second listen, it felt more like a top-ten-for-the-year effort. >listening a third time as we type, and i'm saying it's at least going to >finish in my top five for the year. I'm a big Josh Ritter fan, and after how measured and serious the last album was -- awesomely so -- I'm thrilled to hear him with some looseness and joy again. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:29:38 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: WTF??? (was: a long mess...) Wow -- I give up...all my posts somehow got garbled, with much of the text into the subj. line...there went my "French" response to Kevin...a shirtless Spike joke for Lauren...and, this, a watching of "Quadrophenia," and realizing that Ray Winstone was in it...long story -- short payoff...utterly corrupted. I blame Cosi, where I was using the wireless. Sorry for the confusing trash in everyone's mailbox (it even screwed up the "Sent" versions saved to mine... Michael "Weeping for long minutes of attempted clever typing" Sweeney - ------------------------------------- >From: Rex >To: "Michael Sweeney" >CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: c99294adb3688d81ba070e7f754ff2cc781322988968b65f8746399191), >afterwards I read the film's credits, as I usually do...and was somewhat >amazed to realize that the actor who played "Kevin," Jimmy's "rocker" >friend (who I had also long recalled as th >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:52:01 -0700 > > > "Sexy Beast," "The > > Departed," the upcoming 4th Indiana Jones movie (meaning that he is in >the > > on-set cast pic -- along with Ford, Spielberg, the kid, Shia, from > > "Transformers" (and lots more...slippng my mind right now), and (yay!) >Karen > > Allen (another long-time actress crush of mine) -- that is currently > > decorating my laptop's desktop)... > >Wait, really? Marion Ravenswood is back? You know, of course, that >not having her in the other two movies is chief among the reasons why >they sucked. At least in the last one they didn't even try and just >had the love interest turn out to be an evil Nazi whore, or something. > Still, isn't Spielberg still married to Willie Scott? > >Wow, the shit you don't know you remember. > >Also, Michael, I know I'm one to talk, but what is up with ur subject >lines? > >-Rex _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:33:45 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" tc says: > And "Chinese Bones" by the Grateful Dead & Suzanne Vega is readily > available. so readily available that i wasn't too lazy to find it and post a link: http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-24.sbd.rich.425.sbeok.shnf sadly, it appears to be streaming and not downloadable lossless files. but at least you can listen to it if that's your thing. what's the deal with the streaming audio and little player? does the grateful dead have some kind of stick up their collective butts re: audience taping or trading of audio shows? if so, someone should tell them it's there because they probably don't even know. as ever, lauren p.s. officially, suzanne vega bugs the frack out of me for reasons i don't even care to self-reflect on. but there are some songs of hers, just kind of randomly distributed throughout the many, many bothersome songs, that i love. the one that really stops me dead in my tracks is "in liverpool." - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:42:38 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: WTF??? (was: a long mess...) On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Wow -- I give up...all my posts somehow got garbled, with much of the text > into the subj. line...there went my "French" response to Kevin...a shirtless > Spike joke for Lauren...and, this, a watching of "Quadrophenia," and > realizing that Ray Winstone was in it...long story -- short payoff...utterly > corrupted. Nope... I put in a little extra work and got maybe 75% of that. It also occurred to me that you were doing some kind of satire/riff that was zooming way over my head, like that weird faux-Welsh that everyone got into a month ago... and it's not too late to claim that... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:40:58 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Qs Rex reviewed: >The Swimming Pool Q's, ...I saw them open for someone way back then in the mid-'80s (Lou? Eurythmics? The Pretenders? not sure...) and liked 'em fine. Got that record after and thought it wasn't bad, either...but I think the live versions were better. Lost the record some few moves / GFs ago...and don't think I've given them a thought / seen their name in nearly 2 decades... Michael "Here's hoping it WAS the Cosi wifi connection, and these posts go un-awry (fingers crossed)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:00:53 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Indy news ...just to clear up from previous posts (some even mine, and eaten up by my subj. line): 1. Yes, Karen Allen is back (as "Marion Ravenwood" - no "s" in it...although the Ravenswood neighborhood / train line here in Chicago makes that a common mangle in these parts); 2. Nope, Connery won't be back as Henry Sr. (unless things change for a brief cameo), as he says he is retired from acting (but nobody really noticed until now apparently); 3. Denholm Elliott is unfortunately dead...so Marcus must be permanently lost in his own museum; 4. The rest of the cast includes: Shia LaBeouf (supposed to be Indy's / Marion's son), Cate Blanchett, Ray Winstone, John Hurt (as Abner, Marion's father), and Jim Broadbent. Michael "I've got a poster of someone rolled up somewhere and I'll do something to it if...aw, never mind" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:07:40 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: WTF??? (was: a long mess...) Rex wrote: >On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: >>Wow -- I give up...all my posts somehow got garbled, with much of the text >>into the subj. line...there went my "French" response to Kevin...a >>shirtless >>Spike joke for Lauren...and, this, a watching of "Quadrophenia," and >>realizing that Ray Winstone was in it...long story -- short >>payoff...utterly >>corrupted. > >Nope... I put in a little extra work and got maybe 75% of that. > >It also occurred to me that you were doing some kind of satire/riff >that was zooming way over my head, like that weird faux-Welsh that >everyone got into a month ago... and it's not too late to claim >that... ...Uh...yeah -- that's the ticket? Didn't you all get the "real," uncoded meanings among the seemingly random numbers and letters there? I'll bet Lauren is still deciphering...(yikes - I hope not!) Michael "Enigma / Turing / Bletchley Park" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:39:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Indy news On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > 4. The rest of the cast includes: Shia LaBeouf (supposed to be Indy's / > Marion's son), Cate Blanchett, Ray Winstone, John Hurt (as Abner, Marion's > father), and Jim Broadbent. Huh. Seriously, that always bugged me about the other films... there was this total backstory about Indy and that family that was totally jettisoned, ignored in the second film and kinda replaced by the dad thing in the third one. But I've never known if that theory holds water, or if I just grew up too fast for those movies. Chronologically, this Indy should take place in, like, the '50's, huh? Weird. Raiders, though... that was good stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:50:11 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Indy news Rex wrote: >On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > 4. The rest of the cast includes: Shia LaBeouf (supposed to be Indy's >/ > > Marion's son), Cate Blanchett, Ray Winstone, John Hurt (as Abner, >Marion's > > father), and Jim Broadbent. > >Huh. Seriously, that always bugged me about the other films... there >was this total backstory about Indy and that family that was totally >jettisoned, ignored in the second film and kinda replaced by the dad >thing in the third one. But I've never known if that theory holds >water, or if I just grew up too fast for those movies. > >Chronologically, this Indy should take place in, like, the '50's, huh? >Weird. ...Yep -- so I guess it'll have to be: "Commies -- I _hate_ those guys..." Michael "With the time it takes to get one made now, in 'Indy 5' it'll probably be: 'Agnew -- I hate that guy...'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:11:39 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: Indy news On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > >Chronologically, this Indy should take place in, like, the '50's, huh? > >Weird. > > ...Yep -- so I guess it'll have to be: "Commies -- I _hate_ those guys..." I could still be evil Nazi War Criminals on the run. Also indianajones.com is now showing the films title as Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which could be mean any number of locales. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Quick trip to London On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'll be in London next week, but only on the 14th and 15th. I'm going there > with a friend who doesn't have a lot of money. So we're taking the > notorious Rainbow Tours. That means going there and back by bus, spending > two nights on the bus and one night in a (probably awful) hotel in London > that we don't even know yet. On the plus side the whole package sums up to > only 120 Euros per person! You can't beat that, I suppose ... > Anyway, I hardly know London at all. I've been there almost 20 years ago, > but only for one and a half days or so. After that we went to Brighton > where I saw my first Robyn Hitchcock show! So my question is: what should I > do while I'm there? The Tate Modern is a must and I guess I want to see at > least some of the other usual sights as well, but except for that I have no > idea. An aquaintance of my friend recommended Covent Garden for > economy-priced eating. Do you agree? Discuss. Hampstead Heath is lovely. There's the British Museum, of course, and the National Portrait Gallery--but I really recommend the museum complex at Greenwich. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:44:35 +0100 From: Rob Subject: Re: Quick trip to London On 9/11/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > I'll be in London next week, but only on the 14th and 15th. I'm going > there > > with a friend who doesn't have a lot of money. So we're taking the > > notorious Rainbow Tours. That means going there and back by bus, > spending > > two nights on the bus and one night in a (probably awful) hotel in > London > > that we don't even know yet. On the plus side the whole package sums up > to > > only 120 Euros per person! You can't beat that, I suppose ... > > Anyway, I hardly know London at all. I've been there almost 20 years > ago, > > but only for one and a half days or so. After that we went to Brighton > > where I saw my first Robyn Hitchcock show! So my question is: what > should I > > do while I'm there? The Tate Modern is a must and I guess I want to see > at > > least some of the other usual sights as well, but except for that I have > no > > idea. An aquaintance of my friend recommended Covent Garden for > > economy-priced eating. Do you agree? Discuss. > > Hampstead Heath is lovely. > There's the British Museum, of course, and the National Portrait > Gallery--but I really recommend the museum complex at Greenwich. > Definitely the British Museum as they have a display of Terracotta Army figures from the 12th September. The largest display outside China. But advance booking is sold out for 14th & 15th so you'd have to try for a couple of the 500 tickets released each day on a first come first served basis. Even if you can't get a ticket for that, it's worth a visit if just to see the atrium. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > ... the pronunciation of place names in > > the UK is the I in "shire" ... when it's part of a place name (like > > Shropshire, say) it's a short ee sound (to rhyme with "fear"). > > Bit of a generalization there - since we're rhotic in Scotland, we use > the I sound - and it comes out a bit like "shy-ar". I can only think of > a few shires in Scotland (Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, Dumbartonshire, > Perthshire and - my favourite for sheer consonant abuse - > Clackmannanshire), but it's what we (mostly) do. Remember Kinross-shire? Love that triple 's' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Historical Conquests Of "Eb" Stacked Crooked wrote: > i've been thinking to include covers *of* robyn in the > discography torrent. anybody got a list? the only ones i know of > that've been released are the replacements' "Sleeping Knights", > the circle jerks' "I Wanna Destroy You", and "Psychedelic Love" > (can't recall the name of the band...loveletter?). Uncle Tupelo "I Wanna Destroy You" R.E.M. "Arms of Love" "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:45:46 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: tl;dr: stuck inside of Mobile with the what now? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:09 PM To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: tl;dr: stuck inside of Mobile with the what now? Rex wrote: >Opal, "Early Recordings". Not sure how this edged its way into the queue before the proper album, but at least it's chronologically correct. I guess Mazzy Star is really one of the highest profile artists to emerge from, if not exactly during, the Paisley thing; I'm really only a casual fan of theirs, but this being an incarnation more directly linked to both the Dream Syndicate and Rain Parade, I'm overdue to check it out. It kicks in a lot more country than I expect right off the bat, and Kendra Smith's voice comes across more full-bodied and far less ethereal than I'd have guessed. It's stark, but mostly traditionally so: honky-tonk pianos, slide guitars, country bass runs, references like the wreck of ol' 97 and getting out of Memphis cropping up in the lyrics. It gets a bit floatier as it goes on, I suppose a big chunk of the seven minute, Eastern-flavored "Lullabye", on which (presumably) Roback sings lead, is taken up by two extended drone-psyche guitar/bass duets. I find this a little more welcoming than the idea of the Mazzy Star albums I'm missingHope Sandoval seems like a bit of a wet blanket, which may be part and parcel of this subgenre, but that still didn't make me appreciate it when she showed up on that Chemical Brothers record where Beth Orton should been and leached the energy out of the room. But I probably should continue on after Opal and revisit that stuff, too. Rex, before they became Opal, they were actually called Clay Allison, which was the name of a character in a 1960's Western television show. Some of the cuts on "Early Recordings" stem from the Clay Allison days. Then they dropped that name and became Opal. I like "Early Recordings" a lot, although I prefer 1987's "Happy Nightmare Baby". I sent Rhino a e-mail request to reissue all of the Opal recordings. Kendra bowed of Opal during their 1987 tour supporting HNB. Hope Sandoval filled in, and there is a YouTube clip of the later day Opal with Hope. I agree with you about Hope. Her vocals pale in comparison to Kendra's. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:17:25 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Bikes on Broadway > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:20:12 -0400 (EDT) > From: Capuchin > > People say that the city is not bike-friendly, but I've had > nothing but great pleasure biking this city. That may be true, but stay off of Broadway when the Greeks return. There's usually at least one kid who'll wrap his new BMW around a flagpole, usually the one at the corner by The Boot. Stay a block off Broadway and you'll be alright. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:02:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Indy news - -----Original Message----- >From: Jason Brown >Sent: Sep 11, 2007 12:11 AM >To: Michael Sweeney >Cc: spottedeagleray@gmail.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Indy news > >On 9/10/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: >> >Chronologically, this Indy should take place in, like, the '50's, huh? >> >Weird. >> >> ...Yep -- so I guess it'll have to be: "Commies -- I _hate_ those guys..." > >I could still be evil Nazi War Criminals on the run. > >Also indianajones.com is now showing the films title as Indiana Jones >and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which could be mean any number >of locales. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:14:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: TV >>>Hey, remember the '80's? >> >>Unfortunately, yes. Still trying to forget. > >...Hey, you know what they say -- anyone who can remember the '80s wasn't >really...uh...wait a minute...that's not it...damnit... > > >Michael "Hey, wasn't cocaine supposed to make you sharper?" Sweeney Or what Robin WIlliams said (not that I normally run around quoting Robin Williams), "Cocaine is God's way of telling you upi're making too much money." I associate everything with the 80s that's generally attributed to the 70s - ugly clothes (all those faux-military costumes in shiny fabric with shoulderpads big enough to poke an eye out, not to mention farging epaulettes), grotesque hair, lotta bad music, economic disaster, terrible politics. At least in the 70s ya had Nixon, who was actually fun to hate. Hating Reagan almost seemed wrong - he was like, just some befuddled old grand-dad whose greatest joy in life was his jelly bellies. Thank Artemis we have a president who's worth vilifying again... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:26:49 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: My name is "Eb": Somebody get me a cheeseburger On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:58 AM, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > Tom Clark wrote: > >>> >> contingent, and are always looking for new members!> > > Thanks Tom! Isn't there a Bay Area feg list as well? I must > subscribe in due time... http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/sfbayfegs/ Not much goes on there - but it help coordinate meetups prior to shows. > Oh no, I most certainly did mean Oregon. In fact, I promised my > friend in Seattle that > next year I will be able to drive up to Bumbershoot! And if you get there by 12/1 you can see Robyn at the Doug Fir! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:34:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: tl;dr: stuck inside of Mobile with the what now? >Squirrel Bait, "Skag Heaven". I'm not sure exactly what a "skag" is the >first thing it evokes for me is a disreputable or loose female, but I think >that's "skank". Where I grew up (in the charming Mojave Desert hamlet of Lancaster)a "skag" was an ugly gurl. Later I did some time in high school in the suburbs of Seattle, where it was a synonym for heroin. The flexibility of the English language is so endlessly fascinating... And unlike the rest of yez, I quite like Hope Sandoval, if only for having such a pretty name. Opal did a swell job on "Happy Nightmare Baby" though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:42:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: our kids will look like you, i swear... >I got a nice comment from Martin when I requested "Whipping Post" >between songs. One of the most famous audience request shouts of all >time was for "Whipping Post" on the ABB "Live At The Fillmore East". >Martin was on Capricorn, the same label as the Allman Brothers Band, and >he toured with Gregg Allman in 1974 and did the band intro on that tour. >Anyway, his bass player abliged with a few notes just like Barry Oakley >did for the ABB way back in 1971. Ayup, back in the olden days it was obligatory for somebody to holler out "Whipping Poooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssst!" at every concert by anybody, anywhere. Which was the reason Zappa made all his bands learn it - although by then it had been supplanted be "Free Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrd!" np Warren Zevon / The Envoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:25:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: REAP Joe Zawinul, 75 http://www.zawinulmusic.com/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:19:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: REAP - -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Clark >Subject: REAP > >Joe Zawinul, 75 >http://www.zawinulmusic.com/ A wonderful performer and musician. I was a big fan of jazz fusion and saw Weather Report, among other bands, every time they came to town in the 70s and early 80s. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:32:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: REAP >Joe Zawinul, 75 >http://www.zawinulmusic.com/ Well, that just blows. Time to go break out all the old Weather Report stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:06:38 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: TV On 9/11/07, kevin wrote: > > >>>Hey, remember the '80's? > >> > >>Unfortunately, yes. Still trying to forget. > > > >...Hey, you know what they say -- anyone who can remember the '80s wasn't > >really...uh...wait a minute...that's not it...damnit... > > > > > >Michael "Hey, wasn't cocaine supposed to make you sharper?" Sweeney > > Or what Robin WIlliams said (not that I normally run around quoting Robin > Williams), "Cocaine is God's way of telling you upi're making too much > money." Or Bill Cosby: "They say cocain intensifies your personality. Yes, but what if you're an asshole"? I associate everything with the 80s that's generally attributed to the 70s - > ugly clothes Check. grotesque hair, Don't make me think about my high school yearbook. lotta bad music, Check. economic disaster, Trickled right down our pantslegs. terrible politics. Oh, that was just a warmup. Thank Artemis we have a president who's worth vilifying again... Mommy, it's not fun anymore. Can we take him back? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:08:54 -0700 From: Rex Subject: tl;dr (0% Roback content) The Cure, "Seventeen Seconds". No, never heard this before, and I don't think I recognize a single song. Which is not to say it's not good, but it's really an almost astonishingly primitive and minimalist recording. There is as little of everything as possible, it seems. The drum machine rhythms are as basic as they get, and there's usually just one guitar part per song, invariably a repeating minor key sequence that's all high end and chorus pedal it sounds like no amplifiers were harmed, or even utilized, in the making of this record. I can't make out much of what Robert Smith is saying. It's kinda like "I Often Dream of Trains" with beats, sounding a set of particularly anguished demos that just had to be released as-is. I can see why this was compelling, and I actually like it a good deal, but it seems like such an anomaly for its time, at least as a release for an up-and-coming band, and it's very hard to reconcile this with the kind(s) of beast(s) The Cure would become, both in terms of the lush sound and the songwriting. I've never heard "Pornography" all the way through, either, but am I to believe it's darker than this? Sheesh. Darker I can imagine starker, no way. The Swimming Pool Q's, "The Deep End". The only other major release from this band, I think, and looking to be either a double album or some kind of expanded editionpretty sure it's a double, though. The first couple of numbers announce a greater tendency towards quirk: tightly coiled riffs, oddball time-signature trickery, and, well, the second tune is mostly comprised of the lyrics "My baby is a big fat tractor", while at least two other songs mention John Deeres. Musically, it brings to mind the classic-era dB's in a way that the other album didn't at all. There seems to be a lot more playing around with roots-rock tropes (goin' back to Jackson is that to be today's Theme Southern City?... and you get Jesus, Baptist churches, Georgia girls, poultry romances); sometimes I find that kind of thing a little off-putting or condescending, but in this case it's giving the songs a bit of an identity that the ones on the first LP didn't quite achieve, and inhabiting rural characters seems to give the singer's voice a reason to be what it is. The guitars are still doing interesting things, but those things are radically more herky-jerky than before: one can even make a comparison to an Americana variation on the early Soft Boys at times, or the missing link between Beefheart and Jon Spencer. I'm surprised to like the kitschier incarnation of a bandat least a guitar band-- better than the "serious" one, but that's how this plays out (and I anticipate liking the self-titled album a bit more the next time I hear it). New Age Steppers, "New Age Steppers". This is part of my attempt to follow through with all things related to The Slits, The Pop Group, and everything attached to that oddball side of the punk-dub collision that will end up spawning Rip, Rig & Panic, with Ari Up being more or less supplanted by Neneh Cherry somewhere along the line. I knew going into this that it was going to be a good closer to true dub and reggae than the tangentially related and influenced bands (and here you can include The Clash, the Two-Tone bands, P.I.L. and a lot of other people I've listened to for many years before commencing my current voyage o' discovery). This makes me a little uneasy, because I just don't have the grounding in the root forms to feel like I know what's going on all the time and feel like a bit of a dilettante (whereas with all the American roots, rock, pop, punk, and indie stuff I feel free and clear to mouth off at will). I know the basics, and I have some compilations lying around to get into when I have time, but I really know more about the later dub-influenced trip-hop than the real roots stuff, and the fact that I've rarely heard anything dubby that doesn't strike me as pretty damned interesting makes me doubt my acumen. My insecurities as a critic (writing reviews that few people even read) aside, I wish I had a credit list for this record so I could tell who was doing what on which track. In fact I enjoy listening to this very much. From track to track the experimentation quotient varies, but it's always, again, interesting to me, the experimentation being closer to The Slits' and The Pop Group's pure abandon than Rip, Rig & Panic's later tendency towards free jazz-type things (which don't add up to as much for me, although RR&P do have some of the best song titles evar). Very minimal appearances from Ari Up, each one delightful has anyone heard her relatively recent dancehall record? Gotta wonder about that. The Windbreakers, "A Different Sort". Well, it must be said, the band's name stinks, ba da bump. There are awful band names that you soon enough forget, but others linger like a okay, enough of that; let's just say it's a problem. Here is another power-pop-type band which drifted into obscurity (and another generally tasteful lead guitarist compelled to Do The Eddie Van at the end of a solo. damn you, '80's, damn you). On this release, at least, they're a little more by-the-books powerpop, and commercially produced, than The Swimming Pool Q's. The closest comparison, owing mostly to the vocals, would be the Plimsouls, or at times the post-Stamey dB's. So this sounds pretty good, allowing for its vintage, and will sink or swim based on the quality of the songs (if I remember correctly, this band was sometimes, and sometimes not, a vehicle for two different singer-songwriters at once). They're fine and all, but there's this weird sort of powerpop songwriter disease, almost a phobia of specificity, as if they're working in a form whose musical formalism dictates a sort of attempt at timelessness, and thus the lyrics must also remain as theoretically universal as possible. After a while, even a song titled for a girl's proper name would be a help, but usually you get relationship songs, usually of the "I miss you" or "you messed me up forever" variety. (Of course there are plenty of bands that retain those musical forms almost as rigidly, but write lyrics about other things, but those bands usually get filed in some bin other than powerpop). So what you get on albums like this is one or two standout songs, probably the singles, distinguished by having the strongest melodic hook. Here it's the penultimate song, which I think is called "Forgive and Forget", which is also one of the hardest-hitting numbers. I have a few more albums by these guys to get through before passing (sorry) final judgment. The Pop Group, "Y". Often thought of as "the more insane Gang of Four", The Pop Group actually sounds more like well, they actually do kind of sound like a more insane Gang of Four. The vocals in particular are mighty unhinged, and in some ways might indeed be equated in content and presentation to a male rendition of what Ari Up does, but the music is tenser than The Slits', as urgent as the politics. Ghastly but decidedly unmellow saxophone and (again) dub-like echo effects weave in and out of the super-tight and yet somehow spastic rhythm section grooves. It's kind of like listening to James Brown LP's being played at 45 rpm while a sociology professor slaughters chickens in a gymnasium, but in a very, very good way. The roots of the Minutemen are perhaps more clearly, exactly here than anywhere else. Sloganeering-as-songwriting works for The Pop Group, in a way it would fail to do for later bands, probably because, frankly, their slogans are less stupid. So they're even less well-remembered than Gang of Four, and they never got frat boys to wear Socialist imagery on their t-shirts while driving their (stereotypical expensive car name here) out to Coachella having blown a big chunk of their tuition money on scalped tickets for the Rage reunion they also didn't play shitty heavy metal music, so let's have a big hand for The Pop Group. They ruled when Thatcher mauled Britain. Bloc Party, "A Weekend in the City". This seems like a logical segue from The Pop Group, and I haven't listened to it that much since loving it a great deal upon its release. Funny thing, most of my music-head friends IRL have agreed that Bloc Party was and is leagues ahead of the other retro-postpunk bands of the last few years, while the feglist seems to have anointed that other band that I'll try to stop complaining about. I also saw some tepid reviews on this record, and I can't figure out what the issue was. I think Bloc Party works for me precisely because they do more than fetishize that angular guitar sound, and they seem to be signaling that as much as anything else when they suggest on the first track to "make believe that the '80's never happened" they embody the spirit of that sentiment both sonically and philosophically by actually trying to come up with new ways to bounce two scrappy guitars off of each other and writing literate songs that are about more than vacuous hedonism (they in fact seem quite opposed to, and articulate about it). In fact, the songs are really well-crafted but emotive pieces, usually effectively evoking some kind of social paralysis or inability to connect with one's fellow semi-humans. I'm still waiting for their cover of "We Live As We Dream, Alone". Is "The Prayer" a single? Great song, almost perfect, and it hits after three other tunes that are almost as good. All the songs invite individual consideration, which is too rare. I'm very glad to not have been disappointed, having watched each of that class of bands come out with a new record that I just couldn't get excited about, to the point where I can't even remember which of them have resurfaced yet Killers, yes, I think, and Kaiser Chiefs, not sure about Louis XIV, Editors yes, She Wants Revenge apparently and unfortunately still kicking. I'm sure there are others I've totally forgotten or elected to ignore even the first time out (do Arctic Monkeys count?) but still, these guys are about the only ones I expect to pay real dividends. The vocals are audibly improving, too, and I quite liked them the first time around already. The Embarrassment, "Heyday 1979-83 (Disc 1)". More new-to-me American postpunk college stuff! Starting out in '79, that's pretty early in the game. And yeah, the opener, "Sex Drive", doesn't promise sophistication, but would I let that stop me if I heard "Orgasm Addict" or "Gary's Got a Boner" for the first time today? Doesn't matter. This is shaping up pretty interestingly the guitar is a kind of grainy fuzz that reminds me a little bit of the Urinals or even the Adverts, and the vocals are pushed to the front so I can actually hear the lyrics. The songs are smart, and we're well clear of stringently nonspecific powerpop, closer to Talking Heads or even Minutemen territory, each one a self-contained meditation on something that wouldn't usually have its own pop song (including Lewis & Clark, except that The Long Ryders did a song about them almost at almost the same time), but they're also completely unpretentious (I mean, completely unpretentious, nearing Jonathan Richman levels meaning that there are sometimes arty topics touched on, but the delivery erases all potential snottiness). The real genuine indie DIY-ness of the recordings is a nice change of pace I really do picture these college guys playing at some college party for college kids, and so forth, probably capable of making do without backup guitars or smoke machines. One the "good enough to get by indie vocalist" scale, the band clocks in above The Meat Puppets but below The Feelies. Things pop off of this collection that would've been musts for mix-tapes a decade ago, which means they most likely would've also been (probably were) excellent singles in their own day. The way the disc ends, in opposition to my rant about hidden tracks, is awesome. Social Distortion, "Prison Bound". See, what's weird about this is that I didn't even know of the existence of this record, which I guess is widely considered their best, until this year. I had "Mommy's Little Monster", and then as far as I knew the band collapsed until years later, when they put out that record in the late '80's you know the one, it's self-titled and had all those KROQ hits and the cover of "Ring of Fire" on it? Well, suddenly this year, everyone from the drummer in one of my bands to some drunk guy in the audience yelling out requests at one of my gigs back in WV to this courier dude pickin' stuff up at my work starts talking about this Social D record "Prison Bound". And at first I think they're just misremembering the title of that one album I already have, but it slowly dawns on me that they're talking about songs that I've never heard, and come to find out, it is not legend. It is real, and it is a Social Distortion record, and I had never heard it before. Along the line I guess I learned that far more redneck kinds of people like Social Distortion than I would've thought, which in the end makes sense given the form and content of the band's music, it's just that I'm sure when I first heard of the band, I'm sure it was via a ripped up t-shirt on some skateboard punk kid in High School who was probably wearing a Dead Kennedys shirt the next day, and between that and the name "Social Distortion", I assumed they were really political, man, and probably socio, too. Doubtless I amuse only myself in the retelling of this tale. In any case, I figure everyone needs a little Social Distortion lying around, and while there's no reason to go crazy about it, if there really is one "best" album, one should have it and hear it, right? So now I have this, and have heard it, and yes, it is a Social Distortion album. That's cool with me, since no-nonsense rock and roll like this is kind of a boundary marker in my musical tastes; on the other side lies the crazy thought of taking Rocket from the Crypt and Rev. Horton Heat seriously, tattoos, understanding exactly what "psychobilly" means, and that sort of madness. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #329 ********************************