From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #323 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 7 2007 Volume 16 : Number 323 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? [Tom Clark ] Re: lyric question [lep ] Re: lyric question [kevin ] Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Everybody needs a little TL;DR... [kevin ] Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? [2fs ] Re: lyric question [Tom Clark ] Re: TV [2fs ] Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? ["Aaron L." ] Re: lyric question [2fs ] Re: "Make a claim"? [lep ] Re: lyric question ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: lyric question [lep ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["Michael Swe] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [kevin ] Re: TV [kevin ] Re: TV ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: firefly fun for friday ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: TV [Capuchin ] Re: lyric question [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["Michael Swe] Re: TV [2fs ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["edwardofsim] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [2fs Subject: Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > ... when you let Steve Jobs write his open letter to iPhone customers? > > I quote: "iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it > will be affordable by even more customers." > > > > Affordable *by* customers? I don't think so ... I assume you are scrutinizing SJ's grammar here. Technically a customer is not necessarily a person who has already purchased something; a synonym being "shopper". However, I'm sure that most folks who have iPhones already would love to have another one. You know, just to snuggle with at night. I'll take sugarless, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:08:54 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: lyric question Rex says: > My last enormous TV crush was Maura Tierney... kept me watching ER for > waaaayyy too long. if anyone's feeling spunky and energetic, feel free to link to a picture of some of these television folks. i know major ones (mostly those actors who have been in movies - helen hunt and janeane garofalo being two such actors. and mimi rogers was in "the x-files" so i know her as well, but probably wouldn't otherwise except to know that she was (ick) married to tom cruise.) i know i could look up the pictures myself, but it's way more fun if you do it. as ever, lauren p.s. note to sebastian - i loved "my so-called life." claire danes is such a babe and so reflective and cool in that show. i still occasionally reference jordan catalano (e.g. "you mean good like kissing-jordan-catalano-in-the-boiler-room good?") last i checked, it wasn't out on dvd here. there was some sort of "best of" or "overview" that i think was available, but those kinds of dvds are dumb, IMO. p.p.s. did anyone see "shopgirl"? i really loved it. and steve martin's character is, of all things, a logician. i can't recall a character ever having that job, except on e.g. "nova" (which would technically make them a person and not a character, but whatever.) - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:59:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: lyric question >> My last enormous TV crush was Maura Tierney... kept me watching ER for >> waaaayyy too long. > >Loves me some Maura Tierney. Not enough to watch ER though. Ditto on the Maura Tierney, mostly from News Radio. The lisp gets me every time. And the new anchor on our local Faux News station, Lara Yamada. Especially when she shows up in the red satin blazer. http://www.nwasianweekly.com/20062449/anchor20062449.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:08:19 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 7. September 2007 08:17:06 -0700 regarding Re: Where were you, Tom Clark?: > On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> ... when you let Steve Jobs write his open letter to iPhone customers? >> >> I quote: "iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it >> will be affordable by even more customers." >> >> >> >> Affordable *by* customers? I don't think so ... > > I assume you are scrutinizing SJ's grammar here. At least I think that's what I'm doing. > Technically a customer > is not necessarily a person who has already purchased something; a > synonym being "shopper". That's not what I meant (that wouldn't ge grammar anyway, but semantics). What I was refering to is "affordable by". I think it has to be "affordable to". The OED doesn't say one way or the other. But a Google search seems to corroborate my gut reaction. I could still be wrong. Seriously, what business do I have critiquing a native speaker's grammar anyway? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:13:02 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: lyric question - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 7. September 2007 08:20:52 -0700 regarding Re: lyric question: > On Sep 7, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Rex wrote: > >> My last enormous TV crush was Maura Tierney... kept me watching ER for >> waaaayyy too long. > > Loves me some Maura Tierney. Who doesn't? > Not enough to watch ER though. That in itself might not be enough, but I'm deeply loyal and will keep watching ER until the end. I saw the pilot at Cologne Conference, an annual TV festival here. That was probably after the first season had finished in the US, but quite some time before it was shown here. Anyway, members of the cast were there for questions. I didn't know any of the actors at the time, so I can't be sure who was there and who wasn't. I'm *think* Julianna Margulies was and George Clooney wasn't. So I have a special bond to that series ... I even bought all the DVD sets up to season 6 so far ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:29:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Everybody needs a little TL;DR... >The Slits, "Return of the Giant Damn Slits". The second album. Supposedly >more commercial, which is, I suppose, why it opens with a one-chord >Japanese-language minimalist-Gaiaist drone. I love this band, and I can't >imagine how I managed to ignore them until last year I guess I thought that >they were more famous for non-musical novelty reasons, and assumed that The >Raincoats were sort of one of a kind. By the time of both of their proper >albums, though, the Slits seem to have been even weirder than The Raincoats >maybe some of it comes from the fact that they were still doing some of >their early "punk" songs in this new dub-type experimental idiom, but the >fact that it almost resembles something recognizable (punk or dub or >something) makes it sound that much more otherworldly (whereas The >Raincoats seem to have been outside of most traditions from the get-go) >this whole record should have been named after the song "Animal Space". It's >a languid tour of a landscape that's disturbing and comforting in equal >measures. Ari Up doesn't come up with anything quite as spine-tinglingly >arresting as that screech in "Shoplifting", but she's given even less >incentive to stay anchored to the minimal chord structures and wanders as >she will, veering from weird vibrato to semi-operatic wail to whispered >tribal clicking or at least seems to be wandering, until you realize she's >started making perfect sense while you weren't paying attention. The music >veers in a couple of different directions, too Tessa Politt's bass is >almost rigorously formalistic in its dubbishness, but Viv Albertine (who >must certainly be the, erm, Prettiest Guitarist of All Time Evar, if you're >me) seems to invent a couple of totally new ways to play the instrument >without putting a whole lot of effort into it, or, perhaps, even giving a >shit, and that tension sounds not at all unlike the Levene/Wobble version of >P.I.L.. The album is pretty damned close to the equal of "Cut"; if there >are not quite as many classic "songs", it makes up for that by sounding all >of a piece, the music having been created to sound this way instead of >translated out of punkese. Like a lot of what was then semi-experimental >beat-oriented music from that time, it barely sounds dated at all. >Nonetheless, >I think it just sounds like noise to everyone around me. Yes! Finally somebody who gets it! I still have this laying around somewhere among the heaps of old vinyl and it does get played from time to time, though not when other humans are around...also I believe I still have a 7" interview disc from the far-as-I-know-one-and-only Slits US tour, of which I only recall the brilliant exchange: Q: Will you be performing with mud all over your bodies? A: We don't "perform." Next question? Got the first two New Age Steppers up in here somewhere too but haven't actually listened to them in decades... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:34:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) >Certainly not an oxymoron in the 1960's and 1970's with the likes of >Francoise Hardy, Serge Gainsbourg, Jane Birken, Michael Legrand and >Claudine Longet. Keren Ann, Coralie Clement, Nouvelle Vague and Carla >Bruni are current favorites of mine, as French pop music is the >strongest it's been in years. Not to rain on anybody's parade, but if asked to choose between Serge Gainsbourg and Claudine Longet I'd feel morally compelled to go for Iron Butterfly... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: lyric question On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, kevin wrote: (from an earlier post: http://www.ktvu.com/station/1849411/detail.html -- not my type, really.) > And the new anchor on our local Faux News station, Lara Yamada. > Especially when she shows up in the red satin blazer. > http://www.nwasianweekly.com/20062449/anchor20062449.htm She's OK--but I prefer Molly Shen (this isn't actually the best picture http://www.komotv.com/about/people/fournews/4260126.html), Mimi Jung (http://www.king5.com/about/bios/stories/K5bios-Jung.be49d744.html) or Elisa Hahn (http://www.king5.com/about/bios/stories/K5bios-Hahn.be4f8b4b.html). I must say--lots of Asian anchors/reporters in my area! And two of them Koreans! (My middle name's Donguk, for anyone who cares.) I found this while looking for a pic of Hahn, and am somewhat disturbed. http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22583 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:37:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? On 9/7/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > ... when you let Steve Jobs write his open letter to iPhone customers? > > I quote: "iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it will be > affordable by even more customers." > > > > Affordable *by* customers? I don't think so ... Hmm... I see your point, but I'm not sure this way isn't acceptable as well. Actually the problem might be the verb: if it had been "now it will be regarded as affordable by even more customers," there wouldn't be a problem. Two minor points: 1. You ask what business you have critiquing the grammar of a native speaker - but the odds are good you received a far more thorough grounding in grammar learning English as a second language than most native English speakers do nowadays (particularly Americans). 2. Customers are pissed off that the price of a brand-new piece of tech dropped dramatically after its initial rollout? Where the hell have they been for the last fifty years at least? This *always* happens and was eminently predictable. You're paying a $200 surcharge for being able to brag about the coolness of being an early purchaser. Anyone with any sense would have guessed with a strong degree of likelihood that in a few months, prices would drop. That said, it's pretty cool they're offering $100 to such folks - to purchase yet another product. Very smart. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:49:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: lyric question On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > (from an earlier post: http://www.ktvu.com/station/1849411/ > detail.html -- > not my type, really.) That photo really doesn't do her justice. Watching those glossy lips move in high definition is just heavenly. > I found this while looking for a pic of Hahn, and am somewhat > disturbed. > http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22583 Yeah, that is more than a little creepy. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:30:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: TV On 9/7/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > Michael Sweeney wrote: "...Don't make me try to start a "thirtysomething" > discussion thread -- because I'll do it!!! (and, uh, no one will > respond...but...oh well...)" That show has my everlasting enmity as origin of the journalist's lazy and annoying use of "-something" to designate age groups - as "twentysomethings," "thirtysomethings," etc. Christ: the show's been off the air for how long now? What the fuck is wrong with "people in their twenties" or (in most cases) letting the context make perfectly clear what age of people you're talking about? Then, most of the time, articles that use these terms have no reason to exist, being empty piffle about supposed generational characteristics. Don't know *why* everyone's so thrilled to pretend everyone in the same age range is exactly the same... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:10 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: Where were you, Tom Clark? My grammatical issue is that he should have said "affordable for customers," or, I guess to be completely nit-picky "affordable for potential customers," although the latter is more of a logical/usage issue than one of grammar. At 10:17 9/7/2007, you wrote: >I assume you are scrutinizing SJ's grammar here. Technically a >>customer is not necessarily a person who has already purchased >>something.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:42:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: lyric question On 9/7/07, lep wrote: > > > > p.p.s. did anyone see "shopgirl"? i really loved it. and steve > martin's character is, of all things, a logician. > I liked it fairly well. I remember reading reviews of it that wanted to make one character or other into wholly pathetic or wholly manipulative - and I don't see it that way at all. I think both were tremendously flawed people, but in interesting, realistic ways. And the film's style is just meta enough that you can accept the slight twists of stylization that wouldn't pass muster in a more strictly realist film. BTW: if this thread on various hot female TV and movie folks doesn't bring Miles out of lurking, I'd be very surprised... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:44:34 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: "Make a claim"? i say: > okay, make it stop!!!!: > < when your hammer is C++; then everything looks like a thumb.>> > > that last one will keep me amused for years. when i finally went to sleep, i had a dream that i was telling someone that quote and started laughing about it again. when i woke up, and was figuring which of the things hanging in my head were dream things (sort of a hobby before i fully awake), i just went back to laughing about it again. (yes, i'm easily amused.) as ever, lauren p.s. okay, just one more...not as funny but just as true: <> - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:11:22 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: lyric question Rex said >On 9/7/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > go ahead, Sebastian, take a free shot at > > Helen Hunt or Mimi Rogers or (heaven help me for daring to bring this up > > again) Janeane Garofalo...) > >Why do you keep preemptively dissing your own Janeane-love? I'd hit >that. I have a thing for comediennes and comic actresses in general, >though. (Good ones, that is.) ...Nah -- not as much "dissing" as admitting it's a semi-non-traditional crush (perhaps not in this circle, where smarts and political awareness would actually be prized) and therefore potentially fodder for...something. Not that I'd care...just saying... >My last enormous TV crush was Maura Tierney... kept me watching ER for >waaaayyy too long. Oh, I'm with you on that one, too. In fact, my initial interest in "Pam" from "The Office" (w/out looking it up, I think that's Jenna Fischer) stemmed from her looking as if she could be Maura's younger sister (see: Helen Hunt >>> Leelee Sobieski). Michael "Although I do miss a weekly dose of new Julianna Marguiles..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:33:30 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: lyric question Sebastian says: > > Loves me some Maura Tierney. > > Who doesn't? /* still wondering who the hell she is */ /* thinks: "do i have to do *everything* around here */ /* wonders if i should put a "winky face" on the last thought bubble */ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005491/ wow, she's been in a lot of stuff, so i shouldn't be whining about having to look her up. and i actually recognize her: i believe she was that woman who has the ethical discussion with al pacino's character in his room in the remake of "insomnia". she might have been the innkeeper? as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:36:40 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) Jeff wrote: >Because zee Franch, zey are ze plus fantastique universale! Eediot! I was so much younger (prob. as a pre-teen National Lampoon peeker (come for the occasional '70s nudity, stay for the subversive humor)) when I first read the humorous anti-French couplet that starts "The French they are a funny race..." that I misinterpreted the "fight with their feet" part to somehow be referring to Kung Fu (hey, the show was popular then) -- and that just did not seem to make sense... Michael "...so, god only knows what the heck I coulda thought the dirty part meant..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:50:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) >I was so much younger (prob. as a pre-teen National Lampoon peeker (come for >the occasional '70s nudity, stay for the subversive humor)) when I first >read the humorous anti-French couplet that starts "The French they are a >funny race..." Yeah, I remember when PJ O'Rourke was funny, before he turned into a misbegotten mashup of Wm Buckley and kind of a watered-down Mencken... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: another reap Writer Madeleine L'Engle, best known for her children's SF/fantasy novel _A Wrinkle in Time_, age 88. (I only got around to reading _A Wrinkle in Time_ when I was about 34. Not bad, but I think I would have appreciated it more 20 or 25 years earlier.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:03:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: TV >Don't know *why* >everyone's so thrilled to pretend everyone in the same age range is exactly >the same... Stereotyping is popular 'cause it lets you believe you're thinking about stuff without doing any of the boring work. I don't know what I'd do without it myself. np: workingman's dead PS For some reason the above got Neil Young's line "People my age/ they don't do the things I do" looping in my head. I always suspect that line of being cynically designed to generate feelings of smug self-congratulation in over-40 boho types; it certainly has that effect on me... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:02:22 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: TV Well, glad to see -- with at least Jill and Sebastian -- that I was wrong! ...And, of course Lauren's recently discovered "(Spike - Shirt) * Occurences" love is nothing more than entertaining and amusing (and that long "Feglist = me" note was hilarious)...it's just my established position to be the list Buffy holdout (or, at least the _vocal_ one), and, therefore, aw shucks, ma'am -- I'm jus' doin' my job... Michael Sweeney ...a web comic made a reference I didn't get the other day; when I looked it up, it led to a "Firefly" character...[to be exclaimed a la Kirk: "Khan!"] Wheeeeeeeeee-don!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: TV Michael Sweeney wrote: "...Don't make me try to start a "thirtysomething" discussion thread -- because I'll do it!!! (and, uh, no one will respond...but...oh well...)" Wanna bet? Jill _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:06:22 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: firefly fun for friday ...and, one post down, there's a link to the actual web comic I was just referencing -- it's a small world (but I wouldn't want to paint it).. Michael "And, to think, I used to hear 'Fireflies' and think of the touching song on 'Fleetwood Mac Live'" Sweeney - -------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:05:08 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: firefly fun for friday http://xkcd.com/311/ yes, it's those pesky stickmen and their warped humour again... c* _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: TV On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, 2fs wrote: > Don't know *why* everyone's so thrilled to pretend everyone in the same > age range is exactly the same... That's what everyone over 40 says. J. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: lyric question Anyone here ever seen Scotland, PA? On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, lep wrote: > Sebastian says: > > > Loves me some Maura Tierney. > > > > Who doesn't? > > /* still wondering who the hell she is */ > > /* thinks: "do i have to do *everything* around here */ > > /* wonders if i should put a "winky face" on the last thought bubble */ > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005491/ > > wow, she's been in a lot of stuff, so i shouldn't be whining about > having to look her up. and i actually recognize her: i believe she > was that woman who has the ethical discussion with al pacino's > character in his room in the remake of "insomnia". she might have > been the innkeeper? > > as ever, > lauren > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." > > - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:39:59 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) Kevin wrote: > >I was so much younger (prob. as a pre-teen National Lampoon peeker (come >for >the occasional '70s nudity, stay for the subversive humor)) when I >first >read the humorous anti-French couplet that starts "The French they >are a >funny race..." > >Yeah, I remember when PJ O'Rourke was funny, before he turned into a >misbegotten mashup of Wm Buckley and kind of a watered-down Mencken... Yeah -- I remember that too...and it's been a looooooooooong time. I think that O'Rourke (the ol' self-proclaimed "Pants-down Republican": [remembered approx. quote] "We want to drive very fast with the top down while drinking a vodka martini and having our wing-wang squeezed by a young girl...") also absorbed way too much Hunter S. Thompson (as did many of us!) without getting the related memo that that particular style and approach had exactly one allowed practioner...(and, besides, he's cannon-shot to oblivion now). Michael "Circa August, 1974: 'Mistah Nixon, he dead' -- still cracks me up" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:53:30 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: TV On 9/7/07, Capuchin wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, 2fs wrote: > > Don't know *why* everyone's so thrilled to pretend everyone in the same > > age range is exactly the same... > > That's what everyone over 40 says. 'Ceptin' that I'm 45. (Does anyone else remember the minor to-do with Presidential candidate Gary Hart, in which he was accused of lying about his age because in one interview he was off by one year? Those journalists all must have been younger than that - because I'll tell you, I always have to think about it a few minutes, because it just really isn't anything that's ever-present in my mind. I literally had to do the math: "Okay, I was born in December 1961, so call it '62 for subtraction purposes...2007...okay: 45 it is." I really couldn't remember at first whether I'd turned 46 yet.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:54:32 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) > >Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> What happens to the -shire, then? > >Not pronounced: > Worcester - pr. wooster > Worcestershire - pr. wooster Wow, Stewart, where do you live? I'm here in Lancashire, and work with people from all over the UK, and I've never come across anyone who follows the guideines you've given above. Worcester is wooster, and Worcestershire is woostersher, just like: Leicester: Lester Leicestershire: Lestersher Gloucester: Gloster Gloucestershire: Glostersher I'm not saying that no one pronounces it as you say, but I'd say it's definitely the exception rather than the rule. Because they make fun of me for being American over here, even after all these years, I amuse my colleagues by saying, in an overbroad American accent, "Is that in the state of Londonshire?" Returning you to your regularly scheduled lurking. peace, Edward p.s. Anyone here have a decent bootleg from Yes's "Topographic Oceans" tour? I've got one that's not bad, but has a horrendous static-y crackle throughout High the Memory, and would really like a cleaner version. (Yes, I know, I'm opening the anti-prog floodgates potentially here, but oh well. Check out my Classic Yes tribute band if anyone's interested: www.myspace.com/seyestribute) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:56:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) On 9/7/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > Kevin wrote: > > >Yeah, I remember when PJ O'Rourke was funny, before he turned into a > >misbegotten mashup of Wm Buckley and kind of a watered-down Mencken... > > Yeah -- I remember that too...and it's been a looooooooooong time. I > think > that O'Rourke (the ol' self-proclaimed "Pants-down Republican": > Which, so far as I can tell, translates almost exactly to "Fuck you - we got ours, we'll do what the hell we want." Would've been simpler if he'd simply said that. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #323 ********************************