From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #320 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 6 2007 Volume 16 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Re: lyric question [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: been there, done that [Rex ] Fw: Sauce ["edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" ] RE: reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: TL:DR 1980: Galactica Discovers Earth (featuring those adorable GalactiKids!) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Hot hot sibilant action [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) [kevin ] Re: Sauce [kevin ] Re: Funny comedy jokes [kevin ] Re: lyric question [kevin ] Re: lyric question [lep ] Re: Fw: Sauce ["Aaron L." ] RE: reap [kevin ] Well, so much for that... [kevin ] Argy Bargy, Los Angeles, and the Correct Use of Soap [Jill Brand ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Christopher ] Re: lyric question [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:43:54 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 6. September 2007 12:25:30 +1200 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > Surnames, sure, it makes some sense to pronounce as close as practical to > how the user would actually say them - we say Vorzhak not Dvorak. I say Dvozhak (or something like that) - are you saying that the "d" is actually silent or that the d-v consonant cluster is too hard for speakers of English? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:45:08 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 5. September 2007 18:59:03 -0700 Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > I've always wondered how to pronounce Bath. /ae/ makes me really sound > American (and I take pains to do, for example, Leicester correctly), That's just like Lester, isn't it? > but > /a/ makes me sound oh so affected. Then you've got it right ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:49:47 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 6. September 2007 14:48:30 +1200 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: >> I've always wondered how to pronounce Bath. /ae/ makes me really sound >> American (and I take pains to do, for example, Leicester correctly), but >> /a/ makes me sound oh so affected. > > yeah, that's a good point, where accent and pronunciation are > intertwined. It sounds just as odd to insist in calling Paris "Paree". > The most obvious "americanism" in the pronunciation of place names in the > UK is the I in "shire", which is fine when you're talking about "a shire" > (like in the LoTR), but when it's part of a place name (like Shropshire, > say) it's a short ee sound (to rhyme with "fear"). OK, now I'm learning something new, apparently. First, I pronounce "fear" with a long ee sound, not a short one. So it rhymes with deer, for example. Second, I always thought that the vowel in the -shire syllable had been reduced to schwa. Are those valid variants or would you say that my examples are actually wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:55:15 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: lyric question - --On 5. September 2007 20:03:02 -0500 "Aaron L." wrote: > I've just discovered font smoothing a la Apple, quite by accident, by > downloading the beta of Apple's Safari web browser. I fully expected > to download it, check it out for a few minutes, and then delete it, > but... wow, text looks so much more attractive when rendered in > Safari. I've been reading various posts on various personal webpages > and such about various people's opinions re: Microsoft's ClearType > vs. Apple's font smoothing, and it's an amazingly polarizing > issue. There are plenty of people who seem to think that font > smoothing is something Apple got wrong and MS does better. There are > even some avid Mac fans who seem to think so. > > For me, there is no comparison, and I've been using MS's version of > font smoothing on both CRT and LCD monitors for many years, with > little to no Mac experience. I wish there was a way to integrate > Apple's smoothing scheme into the entire Windows OS. Safari has an > ugly interface, and isn't nearly as configurable or easy to use as > Firefox, but it just makes pages look so much clearer and easier to > use, that I'm tempted to keep using it, despite its limitations. Huh, I think that's the first time I've heard (or read) somebody say that. I'm a Mac guy, so of course I find OS X more aesthetically pleasing, generally speaking. But I took it as understood that the pre-Leopard font renderer is inferior to the one in Windows, because Windows has more dots per inch (that's not technically correct, but I don't know how to explain it better). Maybe Apple's font *smoothing* is better, though? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:57:47 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity - --On 5. September 2007 21:15:24 -0500 2fs wrote: > Which allows you to exploit those sorts of things in, well, I'll call it > "humor" - such as the sentence "I would like my cheeseburger cloven in > twain"... > > Wonder how you'd translate that into a language with a more monochromatic > etymological history...? You should be able to do something like that in any language by using archaic words. I'm no good at Mittelhochdeutsch, but I'm sure you could achieve something similar. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:09:00 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Sauce >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) > >- --On 6. September 2007 07:48:09 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" > wrote: > >> Aaron L. wrote: >>> >>> Woostersher >>> Wustersher >>> Wustershyre >>> Worsestersheer >>> Woarstersher ... >> >> And not a one of them even close to being right. It's "wooster sauce". > >That's what my mother always said, but I thought it was "woostersher". What >happens to the -shire, then? Ah, well, you see, they're both right! In America (and elsewhere?) it's called Worcestershire (and thus "woostersher") after the English County where it originates, whereas in England it's called Worcester (and thus "wooster") sauce, after the city itself. Much as the film known as "Encino Man" in the states is called "California Man" here in the UK. I de-lurked to talk about condiments and make reference to a bad movie. *sigh* peace, Edward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 07:07:04 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: been there, done that On 9/5/07, lep wrote: ren > > here goes mine. it's probably run-of-the-mill for this list. but > it's the truth. if it were my favourite books, i might fib just a > little... I haven't tried to do one of these for a while, and if I really thought about it, I bet it would have changed a lot over the past few years. But hey, your list is, like, good. Really good. I didn't know you were a Fall fan! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:45:09 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Fw: Sauce - ----Original Message---- From: edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk Date: 06/09/2007 15:40 To: Subj: Re: Sauce Ah, indeed, further research reveals: Worcestershire Sauce is a Lee & Perrins trademark, and the sauce is generically (i.e., when not made by L&P) known as Worcester Sauce. But here in UK, most people refer to it by the generic, as they buy whatever brand they want, is cheapest, etc. Whereas I think Lee & Perrins is the only one available outside the UK, and therefore Worcestershire is the one that everyone else uses. Or something like that. >----Original Message---- >From: Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de >Date: 06/09/2007 15:14 >To: >Subj: Re: Sauce > >--On 6. September 2007 14:09:00 +0100 edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > >>>> And not a one of them even close to being right. It's "wooster >> sauce". >>> >>> That's what my mother always said, but I thought it was >> "woostersher". What >>> happens to the -shire, then? >> >> Ah, well, you see, they're both right! In America (and elsewhere?) >> it's called Worcestershire (and thus "woostersher") after the English >> County where it originates, whereas in England it's called Worcester >> (and thus "wooster") sauce, after the city itself. > >Not so fast! I just remembered why I was so sure it was "woostersher"! Last >year I subscribed to NASN, the North American Sports Network. It's a cable >channel for Europe. The commercials were exclusively for the British >market. Among them was one by Lea & Perrins for their, wait, Worcestershire >Sauce. I swear they pronounced it as "woostersher". And isn't that *the* >brand for this sauce!? //www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:40:55 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: reap lep wrote: >> luciano pavarotti, 71 Stewart wrote: >Well, at least we'll get some sleep ... John Candy used to do a great Pavarotti impression during the halcyon days of SCTV. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:47:28 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: TL:DR 1980: Galactica Discovers Earth (featuring those adorable GalactiKids!) - --On 4. September 2007 17:18:09 -0700 Rex wrote: > The Rain Parade, "Crashing Dream". Ah, a nice wall of chiming guitars can > sound so comforting after a day spent listening to intricate or odd > chamber-pop arrangements. This must be a later record than the one I've > been playing a lot lately, "Emergency Third Rail Power Trip", which is > great this one is a lot more polished-sounding, but not necessarily in a > bad way (A Drop in the Gray it ain't). The vocal are a lot stronger, > clearer and more confident. There's a near-dream-pop swirl (and a little > more twang) in place of the straight-up garage energy, but the melodies, > prominent melodic bass, and those Revolver-y lead guitars are still > kicking. I'm still picking and choosing, but these guys may be my > favorites of the proper Paisley bands (at least the ones I'm just now > hearing, which is most of them I'll be surprised if I come across a > record as completely great as "Days of Wine and Roses", but browsing > through a treasure trove of nearly-lost 10-song guitar pop albums sure is > cool). This actually strikes me as a damned solid record right now. My favorite Rain Parade record is the EP "Explosions In The Glass Place". I've got a CD that has both "Crashing Dream" and "Explosions" on it. The former is fine, but I think the latter's songs are much stronger. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:58:12 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Yr daily (really? damn!) TL;DR > > Squeeze, "Argybargy". Is "East Side Story" really better > > than this? > > > To me, yes: it's pretty much their peak in my ears. I like this one > also - before they got a bit too mannered & into the plastic-soul > thing, but after the somewhat jokey earlier stuff (I blame Jools Holland). ... >Those are pretty much the two poles that don't do as much for me (the former being okay, but nowhere near as gratifying >as this record). So the spaces between seem to have my name written all over them. That's good news. I like "Cool For Cats" just as much "East Side Story" and better than "Argybargy". Nuppy turned me onto "Cool For Cats". 1982's "Sweets From A Stranger" was definitely not up to the aformentioned previous three albums, although there are a couple of decent cuts. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:06:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Hot hot sibilant action On 9/6/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > -- Michael Sweeney is rumored to have mumbled on > 6. September 2007 05:34:39 +0000 regarding Re: Hot hot sibilant action: > > >>> Gene Hopstetter Jr. said: > >>> > >>>> Robyn should have traded his Cadillac for a microphone. > >>> > >>> ...Hey, I got that semi-obscure reference! > >>> > >>> > >>> Michael "Fix the cigarette lighter" Sweeney > >> > >> So, what's your opinion on Illinois nazis? > > > > I _hate_ Illinois Nazis! > > > > > > Michael "Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips." Sweeney > > OK, OK, I hnink now everyone's got it, including me Nope. I'm still confused. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:16:08 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Hot hot sibilant action - --On 6. September 2007 10:06:34 -0500 2fs wrote: > On 9/6/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> -- Michael Sweeney is rumored to have mumbled >> on 6. September 2007 05:34:39 +0000 regarding Re: Hot hot sibilant >> action: >> >> >>> Gene Hopstetter Jr. said: >> >>> >> >>>> Robyn should have traded his Cadillac for a microphone. >> >>> >> >>> ...Hey, I got that semi-obscure reference! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Michael "Fix the cigarette lighter" Sweeney >> >> >> >> So, what's your opinion on Illinois nazis? >> > >> > I _hate_ Illinois Nazis! >> > >> > >> > Michael "Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips." Sweeney >> >> OK, OK, I hnink now everyone's got it, including me > > Nope. I'm still confused. Blues Brothers. I can't count the times we saw that one! But it's been at least 10 years since the last time ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:21:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Hot hot sibilant action On 9/6/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > - > >> > I _hate_ Illinois Nazis! > >> > > >> > > >> > Michael "Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips." Sweeney > >> > >> OK, OK, I hnink now everyone's got it, including me > > > > Nope. I'm still confused. > > Blues Brothers. I can't count the times we saw that one! But it's been at > least 10 years since the last time ... Yeesh. I should have gotten it. I too saw it a zillion times...but not for at least a decade or more. My favorite part? The car-off-the-bridge thing: at the time, there was an incomplete freeway onramp (or offramp) in Milwaukee, ideal to use for such a scene, and the car flying off was filmed there, I believe. Of course, the car *lands* in Chicago - quite a flight! (Yes, I know the ramp is supposed to be in Chicago in the movie)... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:36:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) >The mainstreaming of fancy rims is a outgrowth of the spread of >hip-hop culture. It goes back to fancy hub cabs of the 70s that Kevin >was talking about, they are way more of a big deal than now than they >ever have. Actually I had in mind more of the big ol' suckers from back in teh 1940s, some of which were still extant when I was a kid. Memory represents some of those things as like five-pound chrome soup bowls. Then again, my memory is maybe not what it used to be... The thing I really enjoy in current flashy-car tech is neon lights on the undercarriage, which the cops ticket people for relentlessly - which, of course, is just evidence of their coolness. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:59:05 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/6/07, kevin wrote: > > > The thing I really enjoy in current flashy-car tech is neon lights on the > undercarriage, which the cops ticket people for relentlessly - which, of > course, is just evidence of their coolness. I actually do like that. Don't like the spinning rims. So was there a pre-existing ordinance concerning the underlighting? Or did they have to gum up a new one just to find new ways of harassing young drivers? Because I don't see what hte problem is with those: is Grandma going to think that's not a car, it's a UFO? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:53:24 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "Make a claim"? Aaron L. wrote: > Do other fegs know of http://www.jyte.com ? Yes (and I even have a OpenID-confirmed username there), but it doesn't rhyme with "shite" for nothing. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:38:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Sauce >Much as the film >known as "Encino Man" in the states is called "California Man" here in >the UK. > >I de-lurked to talk about condiments and make reference to a bad >movie. *sigh* > >peace, >Edward Bad movie but an excellent Roy Wood song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:52:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Funny comedy jokes >kevin wrote: >> Dresden Codak may be the bitchenest web comic around > >I've found DC to be funny like root canal work is funny. I'm glad it >happens to other people, not me. Not so much funny as really happening in terms of layout vis-a-vis storytellying. And I like looking at the pretty colors... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:55:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: lyric question >i won't even bother to say anything about "boys for pele." except >that it reminds me that i wanted to start a favourite albums thread. Never paid much attention to her but I've always loved that cover photo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:02:41 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: lyric question kevin says: > >i won't even bother to say anything about "boys for pele." except > >that it reminds me that i wanted to start a favourite albums thread. > > Never paid much attention to her but I've always loved that cover photo. that's my girl. ever looked at the pictures *inside* the lyric book? there's an oft-mentioned one. nutty redhead. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:55:02 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: Fw: Sauce I read the Wikipedia article as well, but if L&P DOES own the trademark to the "Worcestershire Sauce" name, maybe it's only in the UK, because there are plenty of other choices besides L&P here in the U.S., and I've *never* seen/heard the term "Worcester Sauce," other than what I've always taken to be a mispronunciation of "Worcestershire." Some examples of non-L&P WorcesterSHIRE sauces: http://www.frenchsfoodservice.com/recipe/foodservice/prod_frnchs_worcester.jsp http://www.foodservicedirect.com/index.cfm/S/5/CLID/100/N/1241/Heinz_Worcestershire_Sauce.htm (Odd that in that first URL that they leave the "shire" out of the name in the URL, but not in the actual name of the product.) At 09:45 9/6/2007, edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Ah, indeed, further research reveals: > >Worcestershire Sauce is a Lee & Perrins trademark, and the sauce is >generically (i.e., when not made by L&P) known as Worcester Sauce. >But >here in UK, most people refer to it by the generic, as they buy >whatever brand they want, is cheapest, etc. Whereas I think Lee & >Perrins is the only one available outside the UK, and therefore >Worcestershire is the one that everyone else uses. > >Or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:40:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: reap >John Candy used to do a great Pavarotti impression during the halcyon >days of SCTV. Johnny LaRue lives! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:13:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Well, so much for that... http://www.newsday.com/technology/wire/sns-ap-internet-fees-justice-department,0,563965.story ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:12:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Argy Bargy, Los Angeles, and the Correct Use of Soap I don't think that I can judge whether Argy Bargy is better than East Side Story; both are wonderful and contain amazing songs (Another Nail from My Heart vs. Mumbo Jumbo? - I can't do it). Cool for Cats is also dead fab but doesn't quite match the greatness of the other two. Los Angeles in German? I've heard "engel-less" but more frequently, as Sebastian said, there is an attempt at the American pronunciation...except that the "j" sound flumoxes most Germans (most Germans call me "Chill"), and there is no flat "a" sound in German (I can't find a symbol for that anywhere on my computer, but I still remember what it looks like!). Sooooo, you end up with "en-chill-ess". Or? Finally, Lauren, you wrote this:"The Correct Use of Soap by Magazine - Howard Devoto is a genius. End of story." Yup, that about says it. Jill, procrastinating mucho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:27:09 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) Sebastian says: > OK, now I'm learning something new, apparently. First, I pronounce "fear" > with a long ee sound, not a short one. So it rhymes with deer, for example. > Second, I always thought that the vowel in the -shire syllable had been > reduced to schwa. Are those valid variants or would you say that my > examples are actually wrong? /* checks in on thread */ /* head hurts */ /* thinks "what fucking chaos." */ /* goes to seek comfort of number theory homework problems that are due way too soon... */ x "once a prime, always a prime" o p.s. /* wonders if thread title is still kind of hot */ - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:35:28 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Argy Bargy, Los Angeles, and the Correct Use of Soap - -- Jill Brand is rumored to have mumbled on 6. September 2007 12:12:54 -0400 regarding Argy Bargy, Los Angeles, and the Correct Use of Soap: > Los Angeles in German? I've heard "engel-less" but more frequently, as > Sebastian said, there is an attempt at the American > pronunciation...except that the "j" sound flumoxes most Germans (most > Germans call me "Chill"), That should vary a lot, depending on where in Germany you are. There is a (pseudo-)German word that even requires that sound: Dschungel (that's German for jungle in case you're wondering - you being the rest of the list, not you, Jill). I suppose there are those that pronounce it "tschungel", but that's not correct. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:36:08 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Argy Bargy, Los Angeles, and the Correct Use of Soap Jill says: > Finally, Lauren, you wrote this:"The Correct Use of Soap by Magazine - > Howard Devoto is a genius. End of story." Yup, that about says it. i remember you are a devoto fan. and am i remembering correctly that you (grrrrrr) actually met him in person? which album of magazine's do you like best? (i'm just assuming you love "jerky versions of the dream"?) > Jill, procrastinating mucho i hear you. but, oddly, or perhaps not, in my world, procrastination is just an alternate form of getting things done - the things i will hardly ever do unless i'm avoiding doing something else. like this week i cleaned my porch, did some cd filing, and book rearranging, etc., etc., etc. although, sadly, that doesn't help with the things i *need* to get done. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Fw: Sauce "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" wrote: > Ah, indeed, further research reveals: > > Worcestershire Sauce is a Lee & Perrins trademark, and the sauce is > generically (i.e., when not made by L&P) known as Worcester Sauce. > But here in UK, most people refer to it by the generic, as they > buy whatever brand they want, is cheapest, etc. Whereas I think > Lee & Perrins is the only one available outside the UK, and > therefore Worcestershire is the one that everyone else uses. > > Or something like that. I know I've bought non L&P Worcestershire sauce in the US, and it was labelled Worcestershire sauce, so that part of the trademark is not in force in the US at least. I always liked to put it in scrambled eggs when I was younger, much to the horror of the rest of my family. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) > politeness. Americans often are considered impolite when they don't even > appear to make an effort, but instead take it for granted that everyone > speaks English. When they then proceed butcher the pronunciation of your > name it doesn't improve things ;-) > > Note that the French are *at least* as bad in that respect! I've often thought that the reason the more nationalistic sorts of Americans hate France, and vice versa, is that they share the same character faults. Two people who each think they're better than everyone else are not get along well; neither will two countries that each think they're the center of the world. Whereas, for example, a country that just thinks it's the most beautiful can get along splendidly with one that just thinks it's the bravest. > > Surnames, sure, it makes some sense to pronounce as close as practical to > > how the user would actually say them - we say Vorzhak not Dvorak. > > I say Dvozhak (or something like that) - are you saying that the "d" is > actually silent or that the d-v consonant cluster is too hard for speakers > of English? Well, *I* pronounce the d-v combination; but I took Czech in grad school and on my good days can even pronounce the dreaded "rzh" sound, so I might not be a representative example. When I have occasionally heard other Americans pronounce the name Dvorak (sometimes in relation to music, sometimes in relation to keyboard layouts), they've been more likely to turn the D into a separate syllable -- Duh-VOR-zhahk -- than to drop the D altogether. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: lyric question On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, lep wrote: > well, lurker or no, since you're on feglist, i presume you've seen > "buffy", all seven seasons. > > since you have some free time, perhaps you could help with some very > important needs of feglist. this would be a detailed analysis of the > series, focusing on particular characters. the one that is > desperately needed first is for the character "spike." such an > analysis would include things such as: > (1) important moments in episodes, ignoring all parts of episodes that > don't include said character (i.e. spike). however, it is okay to > include a moment if said character (i.e. spike) is being talked about. > (2) fashion analysis of said character (i.e. spike.) in particular, > we need to know: > (2.1) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing a shirt > (2.2) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing pants > (2.3) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing a shirt and also > not wearing pants. > (2.4) when said character (i.e. spike) is wearing a tight black shirt > (2.5) when said character (i.e. spike) is either buckling or > unbuckling his or her belt > (3) an analysis of the sexuality of said character (i.e. spike) > including details such as his or her talking about sex, his or her > having sex, sexual innuendos, details of inner workings of the > characters mind in regards to his or her sexuality, moments showing > complex sexuality (e.g.for example, an evil, but sexy smile.) > (4) a language analysis for said character (i.e. spike) such as when > he or she uses cultural idioms, or repeated sayings (e.g. when an > english character says "bloody") > (5) etc. > > there are just suggestions for the analysis. there are many more ways > for the analysis to be done. most important is to be focused on said > character (i.e. spike.) after that, you are limited only by the > number of hours in a day. remember, what is most important is that > this analysis be done one character at a time, and that the first > character to work on is spike. Heh. Just had to quote the whole thing. Oh, if only more Spikeolators had such a good sense of humor about themselves.... Not a Spikeolator, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #320 ********************************