From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #319 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 6 2007 Volume 16 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity ["Aaron L." ] Re: lyric question [lep ] Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity [2fs ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [2fs ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [grutness@sli] Re: lyric question ["Aaron L." ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["Aaron L." <] "Make a claim"? ["Aaron L." ] Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) [Rex ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Rex ] Re: lyric question [lep ] Re: Hot hot sibilant action [Sebastian Hagedorn ] been there, done that [lep ] Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) ["Jason Brown" ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["Stewart C. ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) ["Stewart C. ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Quick trip to London [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] Re: reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) [Sebastian Ha] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:31:13 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity To me, it sounds more like they've put the mics way too close to the instruments, or just set the levels way too high (to the point of distortion) when recording, but nonetheless, not a desirable tone. An intended effect, you think? At 21:15 9/5/2007, 2fs wrote: >Unrelatedly: what is the deal with the recording of Costello/Toussaint's >_River in Reverse_? Half the instruments sound as if they wrapped a thick >towel around the mic before recording them... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:58:02 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: lyric question Aaron L. says: > > At 15:59 9/5/2007, lep wrote: > > there's this line in "putting the damage on" that goes: > "and now i'm wishing for my best impression > of my best angie dickinson" > I'm probably completely wrong, but I've always interpreted that line to > mean that she is just trying to project an air of emotional strength or ... > unaffectedness. Angie Dickinson typically played sort of strong, feminist-y > characters. Not someone to let a man affect her the way Tori has been > affected in that song. I've tried to come up with a better way to word > that, but it's just not coming out very eloquently. Hopefully you get my > gist. that makes total sense. i didn't have the factoid about dickenson playing strong women. it's an interpretation that fits right in with the rest of the song. i won't even bother to say anything about "boys for pele." except that it reminds me that i wanted to start a favourite albums thread. i thought i should update the last one i sent to a list, so i keep not starting the thread. maybe i'll just assume not many of my favourites have changed. which isn't really going out on a limb. as ever, lauren p.s. and now that you've explained it that way, i am naturally plagued by memory of an occasion or two of praying or the grace of the sort of exit tori was wishing for... - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:35:45 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I gotta cut down on my verbosity On 9/5/07, Aaron L. wrote: > > To me, it sounds more like they've put the mics way too close to the > instruments, or just set the levels way too high (to the point of > distortion) when recording, but nonetheless, not a desirable tone. An > intended effect, you think? > Well, probably, yes - but I don't like it either. Doesn't sound distorted, or over-close, though: that would seem to emphasize peaks and transients (not that I'm any kind of technician - someone here probably is though) - in fact, it's almost the opposite: high end and transients seem flattened and smoothed over. Not sure why they'd intend that effect - if you're going for a "live" sound, you'd want *more* "presence," not less... At 21:15 9/5/2007, 2fs wrote: > > Unrelatedly: what is the deal with the recording of Costello/Toussaint's > _River in Reverse_? Half the instruments sound as if they wrapped a thick > towel around the mic before recording them... > > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:12:45 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) On 9/5/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > >I've always wondered how to pronounce Bath. /ae/ makes me really sound > >American (and I take pains to do, for example, Leicester correctly), but > >/a/ makes me sound oh so affected. > > yeah, that's a good point, where accent and pronunciation are > intertwined. It sounds just as odd to insist in calling Paris > "Paree". The most obvious "americanism" in the pronunciation of place > names in the UK is the I in "shire", which is fine when you're > talking about "a shire" (like in the LoTR), but when it's part of a > place name (like Shropshire, say) it's a short ee sound (to rhyme > with "fear"). I've even heard it (from British speakers) as a near schwa sound - close to "Shropsher." Coincidentally, about a year ago I was listening to Traffic's "Berkshire Poppies," and it occurred to me that the vowels in "Berkshire" as Winwood pronounces it simply do not exist in American English. The first syllable, of course, is closer to "bark" than "berk" - but it's pitched closer to (but not at) the broad "a" (rhyming with "mock") than to the nasal, American "r" sound - but it's more closed* than that "a" sound. (* not a technical term - although it might be - just that I'[m not a linguist) - whereas the second syllable's vowel is very nearly like a French "u." If you wanted to render it in everyday phonetics, it would be approximately BOK-shih - with that last syllable a bit closer to a long "e" sound, and even the first one nowhere near so flat as the typical American might pronounce it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:21:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Funny comedy jokes kevin wrote: > Dresden Codak may be the bitchenest web comic around I've found DC to be funny like root canal work is funny. I'm glad it happens to other people, not me. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:48:30 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) >I've always wondered how to pronounce Bath. /ae/ makes me really sound >American (and I take pains to do, for example, Leicester correctly), but >/a/ makes me sound oh so affected. yeah, that's a good point, where accent and pronunciation are intertwined. It sounds just as odd to insist in calling Paris "Paree". The most obvious "americanism" in the pronunciation of place names in the UK is the I in "shire", which is fine when you're talking about "a shire" (like in the LoTR), but when it's part of a place name (like Shropshire, say) it's a short ee sound (to rhyme with "fear"). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:27:30 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: lyric question At 21:58 9/5/2007, lep wrote: >i won't even bother to say anything about "boys for pele." except >that it reminds me that i wanted to start a favourite albums thread. It would be of particular interest to me at the moment, since I have so much free time on my hands and could while away some hours exploring other people's favorites that are unfamiliar to me. Potentially a good way to discover some new music. I've not followed the list this closely for a very long time, and have contributed more in the past couple of days than I have in years, despite having been an oft-lurky feg since... hmmm... maybe 1993? I got a phone call this afternoon confirming my start date for my new job as September 17. It's going to be a shock to my system. I'm getting used to having all this copious free time, even if it does get a bit boring sometimes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:34:09 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) This brings to mind a thought that I'd often had, possibly because I've spent the majority of my adult life working in restaurants: - --> Americans have more pronunciations for the word "Worcestershire" (as in "___ sauce") than perhaps any other single word in the language. <-- Trying to think of all the various pronunciations I've heard through the years. Woostersher Wustersher Wustershyre Worsestersheer Woarstersher ... ... I could literally go on for probably 30 more lines without a pause. At 21:48 9/5/2007, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: >The most obvious "americanism" in the pronunciation of place names >in the UK is the I in "shire" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:39:22 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: "Make a claim"? Do other fegs know of http://www.jyte.com ? I don't think I've seen anything more pointless, yet, for some reason, I find it strangely addictive. What does that say about me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:11:22 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/5/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > There's probably some wild, slangy street term for [hubcaps] - > > this is a crowd of young, incredibly hip people, so obviously > > someone here will know it. > > Rims only applies to those goofy spinning ones, right? Man, people are REALLY into those stupid things, huh? Store after store filled with those deals... did they even exist ten years ago? I don't remember them... Then again, I just spotted a can of Red Bull in the artwork to a Band of Susans album from 1993, and I don't remember even hearing about that stuff until seven or eight years ago. Maybe only the cool kids in the noise bands drank it before then... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:28:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Yr daily (really? damn!) TL;DR On 9/5/07, 2fs wrote: > On 9/5/07, Rex wrote: > Don'[t know this particular one - I have the number one (10-XX-60 or > whatever it's called) and, uh, whichever other one was paired w/it on CD at > one point (a s/t release mebbe? Can you tell I don't feel like digging in > the database right now?) - but I like the band pretty well also. "State of Our Union"? That's up next. > > > > > Squeeze, "Argybargy". Is "East Side Story" really better > > than this? > > > To me, yes: it's pretty much their peak in my ears. I like this one also - > before they got a bit too mannered & into the plastic-soul thing, but after > the somewhat jokey earlier stuff (I blame Jools Holland). ... Those are pretty much the two poles that don't do as much for me (the former being okay, but nowhere near as gratifying as this record). So the spaces between seem to have my name written all over them. That's good news. > It's funny: I was just listening to DCFC today in the car, and they're one > of those bands I like but whose songs somehow fail to distinguish themselves > as songs for quite a while. It's a high average, but a flattish one. They're fairly immediate to me, but that doesn't mean that they're necessarily the best of that back, just the first one where I've successfully decoded how the songs work (to my satisfaction, anyway). I think the problem (or embarassment of riches, maybe) is that these days more people write idiocyncratically than used to, in sort of sophisticated personal imagery... songs seem to have gotten more coded and opaque. That was my favorite kind of songwriting when it was rare... these days I sometimes wonder if people have maybe learned to fake it somehow, or if there are just too many personal symbology systems for me to absorb. > (Similar to the Shins, although I like them better.) Wait, which them (discounting Van Morrison's band)? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:35:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) On 9/5/07, 2fs wrote: rd it (from British speakers) as a near schwa sound - close to > "Shropsher." Coincidentally, about a year ago I was listening to Traffic's > "Berkshire Poppies," and it occurred to me that the vowels in "Berkshire" as > Winwood pronounces it simply do not exist in American English. The first > syllable, of course, is closer to "bark" than "berk" - but it's pitched > closer to (but not at) the broad "a" (rhyming with "mock") than to the > nasal, American "r" sound - but it's more closed* than that "a" sound. cf. also "Berkeley Mews" by the Kinks, home to another few mangled syllables of infamy... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:34:39 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Hot hot sibilant action James said: >>Gene Hopstetter Jr. said: >> >>>Robyn should have traded his Cadillac for a microphone. >> >>...Hey, I got that semi-obscure reference! >> >> >>Michael "Fix the cigarette lighter" Sweeney > >So, what's your opinion on Illinois nazis? I _hate_ Illinois Nazis! Michael "Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:02:51 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: lyric question Aaron L. says: > > At 21:58 9/5/2007, lep wrote: > > i won't even bother to say anything about "boys for pele." except > that it reminds me that i wanted to start a favourite albums thread. > It would be of particular interest to me at the moment, since I have so > much free time on my hands and could while away some hours exploring other > people's favorites that are unfamiliar to me. Potentially a good way to > discover some new music. > > I've not followed the list this closely for a very long time, and have > contributed more in the past couple of days than I have in years, despite > having been an oft-lurky feg since... hmmm... maybe 1993? I got a phone call > this afternoon confirming my start date for my new job as September 17. > It's going to be a shock to my system. I'm getting used to having all this > copious free time, even if it does get a bit boring sometimes. well, lurker or no, since you're on feglist, i presume you've seen "buffy", all seven seasons. since you have some free time, perhaps you could help with some very important needs of feglist. this would be a detailed analysis of the series, focusing on particular characters. the one that is desperately needed first is for the character "spike." such an analysis would include things such as: (1) important moments in episodes, ignoring all parts of episodes that don't include said character (i.e. spike). however, it is okay to include a moment if said character (i.e. spike) is being talked about. (2) fashion analysis of said character (i.e. spike.) in particular, we need to know: (2.1) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing a shirt (2.2) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing pants (2.3) when said character (i.e. spike) is not wearing a shirt and also not wearing pants. (2.4) when said character (i.e. spike) is wearing a tight black shirt (2.5) when said character (i.e. spike) is either buckling or unbuckling his or her belt (3) an analysis of the sexuality of said character (i.e. spike) including details such as his or her talking about sex, his or her having sex, sexual innuendos, details of inner workings of the characters mind in regards to his or her sexuality, moments showing complex sexuality (e.g.for example, an evil, but sexy smile.) (4) a language analysis for said character (i.e. spike) such as when he or she uses cultural idioms, or repeated sayings (e.g. when an english character says "bloody") (5) etc. there are just suggestions for the analysis. there are many more ways for the analysis to be done. most important is to be focused on said character (i.e. spike.) after that, you are limited only by the number of hours in a day. remember, what is most important is that this analysis be done one character at a time, and that the first character to work on is spike. as ever, lauren p.s. in this post, "feglist" = "me" and "we" = "i". just so aaron doesn't sue when he finds out. p.p.s. no idea why i'm wondering this, but has anyone ever been so repeatedly annoying as to be kicked off the list? - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:37:43 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Hot hot sibilant action - -- Michael Sweeney is rumored to have mumbled on 6. September 2007 05:34:39 +0000 regarding Re: Hot hot sibilant action: >>> Gene Hopstetter Jr. said: >>> >>>> Robyn should have traded his Cadillac for a microphone. >>> >>> ...Hey, I got that semi-obscure reference! >>> >>> >>> Michael "Fix the cigarette lighter" Sweeney >> >> So, what's your opinion on Illinois nazis? > > I _hate_ Illinois Nazis! > > > Michael "Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips." Sweeney OK, OK, I hnink now everyone's got it, including me ... I should've caught on earlier, but it's been a while. In my circle of friends those references were anything but obscure - 20 years ago! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:47:26 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: "Make a claim"? > Do other fegs know of http://www.jyte.com ? i don't. well now i do. > I don't think I've seen anything more pointless, yet, for some > reason, I find it strangely addictive. i bet there are some sparks of brilliance here: http://jyte.com/claims?tag=programming&page=1 this one is just very, very true: <> it's actually getting pretty funny: <> and funnier: <> and this one is killer: << Every time I use goto in a program, I think "Eat it, Dijkstra." >> okay, make it stop!!!!: <> that last one will keep me amused for years. btw, i'm confused about the "+" and "-" icons...are you supposed to indicate whether you agree with the claim? whether it could become a catch-phase? whether you think the person who posted the claim actually believes it? or even thought it up himself? i'm so confused. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:27:55 -0400 From: lep Subject: been there, done that hi feglist, i'm sure you've had a favourite album thread. well, here's another. i stole this from a post i wrote on "another list" back in 2005, back when i was all fancy and hit the shift key and tried to be articulate and stuff. much of it has stayed the same. i'm not big on "top 10" lists or whatever, but, with or without a list in mind, the same general stuff seems to rise to the top. for some reason, it was 12 albums instead of the normal 10. and each gets a little explanation. feel free to follow suit. or not. i searched with google to see if i already posted this to feglist. it seemed no, but eddie seems to find things i never do, so who knows (my guess with eddie is he has the whole collection on his personal disk and can search accurately from there? or maybe he just googles better than i do.) as ever, lauren here goes mine. it's probably run-of-the-mill for this list. but it's the truth. if it were my favourite books, i might fib just a little... << Not in any order... "XO" by Elliott Smith - I swear one year I listened to this album every day. It still feels like the sky is opening when "Sweet Adeline" hits its stride. I never get tired of any part of this album. And it has "Oh Well, Okay." The White Album by the Beatles - even at 13 or 14, I could tell things were getting kind of interesting for the guys in 1968. "I Often Dream of Trains" by Robyn Hitchcock - this album is my home. "Station to Station" by David Bowie - my first true Bowie album, as 'Changes One' is a compilation and 'David Live' is, as it says, live. I still don't know what the hell the title track is about, but it's so damn good, I never cared. "The Correct Use of Soap" by Magazine - Howard Devoto is a genius. End of story. "From the Choirgirl Hotel" by Tori Amos - Although for some reason, "Boys for Pele" is the album of hers I would least like to live without. "Perverted by Language" by The Fall - turn on the mic, Mark's making another record. "Ha! Ha! Ha!" by Ultravox - Romance meets technology. This band turned to shit once John Foxx left. By all rights, the name should have gone with him. "This Year's Model" by Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Costello makes songwriting seem as easy as breathing. Until you try it yourself. "Closer" by Joy Division - This album changed my life. I have no idea quite how. It's just one of those things. "Second Edition" by Public Image Limited - I never know whether to laugh or cry. "The Velvet Underground & Nico" by The Velvet Underground - The album with "Heroin". >> - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:53:02 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/5/07, Rex wrote: > On 9/5/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > There's probably some wild, slangy street term for [hubcaps] - > > > this is a crowd of young, incredibly hip people, so obviously > > > someone here will know it. > > > > Rims only applies to those goofy spinning ones, right? No, rims is slang for any type of automobile wheels. If you have factory wheels with plastic hubcaps then you just have uncool rims. Rims with goofy spinning things are called spinners. > Man, people are REALLY into those stupid things, huh? Store after > store filled with those deals... did they even exist ten years ago? I > don't remember them... The mainstreaming of fancy rims is a outgrowth of the spread of hip-hop culture. It goes back to fancy hub cabs of the 70s that Kevin was talking about, they are way more of a big deal than now than they ever have. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 03:59:30 -0400 From: lep Subject: reap luciano pavarotti, 71 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/06/wpavarotti206.xml as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:42:32 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > ... the pronunciation of place names in > the UK is the I in "shire" ... when it's part of a place name (like > Shropshire, say) it's a short ee sound (to rhyme with "fear"). Bit of a generalization there - since we're rhotic in Scotland, we use the I sound - and it comes out a bit like "shy-ar". I can only think of a few shires in Scotland (Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, Dumbartonshire, Perthshire and - my favourite for sheer consonant abuse - Clackmannanshire), but it's what we (mostly) do. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:48:09 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) Aaron L. wrote: > > Woostersher > Wustersher > Wustershyre > Worsestersheer > Woarstersher ... And not a one of them even close to being right. It's "wooster sauce". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:48:29 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) Hi Rex, - --On 4. September 2007 17:13:53 -0700 Rex wrote: > So how do Germans pronounce Los Angeles-- like the Spanish that it is, or > in its weido American iteration? neither. They *try* to pronounce it the American way, but they screw it up :-) AFAIK the most common variant for Angeles is with the initial a pronounced as in "angle". Whereas most Germans pronounce it as in "angel". - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:28:05 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Quick trip to London Hi, I'll be in London next week, but only on the 14th and 15th. I'm going there with a friend who doesn't have a lot of money. So we're taking the notorious Rainbow Tours. That means going there and back by bus, spending two nights on the bus and one night in a (probably awful) hotel in London that we don't even know yet. On the plus side the whole package sums up to only 120 Euros per person! You can't beat that, I suppose ... Anyway, I hardly know London at all. I've been there almost 20 years ago, but only for one and a half days or so. After that we went to Brighton where I saw my first Robyn Hitchcock show! So my question is: what should I do while I'm there? The Tate Modern is a must and I guess I want to see at least some of the other usual sights as well, but except for that I have no idea. An aquaintance of my friend recommended Covent Garden for economy-priced eating. Do you agree? Discuss. Cheers, Sebastian - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:25:10 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 6. September 2007 07:48:09 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Aaron L. wrote: >> >> Woostersher >> Wustersher >> Wustershyre >> Worsestersheer >> Woarstersher ... > > And not a one of them even close to being right. It's "wooster sauce". That's what my mother always said, but I thought it was "woostersher". What happens to the -shire, then? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:27:20 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 5. September 2007 10:54:02 -0700 Jason Brown wrote: > Personally, i don't understand why everyone don't always uses the > local placenames and its seems rather petty to use Germany and Japan > when Deutschland and Nippon are perfectly good names. There are many reasons, both historical and practical. > Changing > spellings to match your language is fine. I guess one could argue > that there is a historic leagacy for the alternate forms, in which > case we should at least use the correct names for new placenames. I agree with that in general, but some things are just impossible to pronounce for foreigners. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:57:05 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: reap lep wrote: > luciano pavarotti, 71 Well, at least we'll get some sleep ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:41:03 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: jawohl, mein Herr (war: Re: von David Duchovny gebumst) - --On 5. September 2007 14:31:05 -0500 2fs wrote: > Then again, even if we keep the names, that doesn't mean we pronounce them > the same: it might be "Paris, France" here too, but neither word is > pronounced the way the French do. In German the city is pronounced pah-rees, with the stress on the second syllable. Same word, yet another pronunciation. > It's a bit amusing: rather like overpunctilious announcers at > classical-music radio stations who get all Russian in saying "Tchaikovsky" > to the extent it's hard to recognize which composer's being referred to. You can always take things too far, but I generally try to approximate the correct pronunciation as closely as possible. I think most important to me is that I try to get across that I *care*. To me that's a matter of politeness. Americans often are considered impolite when they don't even appear to make an effort, but instead take it for granted that everyone speaks English. When they then proceed butcher the pronunciation of your name it doesn't improve things ;-) Note that the French are *at least* as bad in that respect! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #319 ********************************