From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #314 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 4 2007 Volume 16 : Number 314 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) [lep ] Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) [lep Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) 2fs says: > So is Ty a policeman? nope, but even though he's not a policeman, he's still "the man": * as mentioned, doesn't sing * doesn't curse but is fine with cursing friends * has a (i believe it is) black belt in taekwondo (which is funny to me ('cause his name is ty) even the 1000th time i think it in my head**.) * has the bizarre ability to love both joy division and new order (i previously discussed this freakishness onlist) * has attented more robyn shows with me than anyone else * would act kind of sour and disgruntled if he knew i was talking about him, but would secretly (although not so to me) like the attention. as ever, lauren ** like i need the "in my head" qualifier. this is why i take so long to write e-mails: sentences like that are allowed roam free in my brain. i would usually rewrite that sentence so it isn't so stupid. but i would introduce a typo, or drop a word in the process. actually conversation with my hairdresser during a haircut (i met him as he was the prior tenant at this house): me: you know those lights you had? him: which ones? me: oh, those ones that light up. him: (pause) that doesn't help me, dear. p.s. i just noticed that this thread title is not really appropriate anymore. but then i was like sheesh, a thread title like that and i think to *change* it? i must be fracking nuts. p.p.s. and no, i don't have any idea why i posted any of this. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) Lauren wrote: > > p.s. a hello to jeanne, who inspired or reminded me to change the > "Lauren Elizabeth" name tag to "lep." thanks - it's way better this > way. ha, ha - like she made it this far. but thanks to her, > nonetheless. Hey, I read the digests! And I reply more often than is apparent, because my messages still sometimes get lost... My nutshell reactions to some of the current and semi-current threads - Duchovny always always had the creepy sex thing going on. He made some movies with the director Jarman (Henry? Derek?) and that one where he calls random numbers trying to get someone to talk to him that were all about him getting naked at some point and doing things that someone less good-looking would get arrested for. I will watch Californication when it comes out on disc. The gender issue - my sister and I have been talking about the androgynization of the population due to hormones in the environment. She's a health care provider who specializes in the neuro-endocrine system and she sees so many people with abnormal estrogen/testosterone levels. If things keep going this way, honorifics are going to be pretty much meaningless. Tattoos - 14 seemingly (though not really) random little dots that they give you when you have to get radiation treatment so they can line up the machine correctly. I think of them as a constellation. And finally - Pittsburgh does indeed rock. I realized recently that I've only lived in cities that start with the letter "P" - Philadelphia, Providence, Pittsburgh... cheers, Jeanne, spending my birthday weekend in Portland, house-hunting. The weather here is fucking awesome right now, btw. It's like Portland is flirting with me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:10:12 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) jeanne says: > And finally - Pittsburgh does indeed rock. I realized recently that I've only lived in > cities that start with the letter "P" - Philadelphia, Providence, Pittsburgh... > > cheers, > Jeanne, spending my birthday weekend in Portland, house-hunting. The weather here is > fucking awesome right now, btw. It's like Portland is flirting with me. you've had three "p" cities; now don't push it, dear. you're a philly feg. no changies. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:47:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, lep wrote: > > > * has the bizarre ability to love both joy division and new order (i > previously discussed this freakishness onlist) This is bizarre? I like both bands also - or at least, much of their output (New Order gave definitely diminishing returns after, oh, _Brotherhood_ - but still a few very fine tracks per CD. > > actually conversation with my hairdresser during a haircut (i met him > as he was the prior tenant at this house): > me: you know those lights you had? > him: which ones? > me: oh, those ones that light up. > him: (pause) that doesn't help me, dear. "Hey, you know that movie?" "Which one?" "You know, the one with that one guy - whatshisname, who was in the movie about the thing?" - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:29:14 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:10 AM, lep wrote: >> Jeanne, spending my birthday weekend in Portland, house-hunting. >> The weather here is >> fucking awesome right now, btw. It's like Portland is flirting >> with me. > > you've had three "p" cities; now don't push it, dear. you're a philly > feg. no changies. Portland and Seattle fegs are honorary members of the Bay Area feg contingent, and are always looking for new members! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:32:11 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, lep wrote: > p.s. i just noticed that this thread title is not really appropriate > anymore. but then i was like sheesh, a thread title like that and i > think to *change* it? i must be fracking nuts. I dunno, I kinda feel like I've been being fucked by David Duchovny for the whole holiday weekend, but that seems appropriate or at least possible given the hallucinatory headspace my whole family seems to have achieved after four or five days of 100-plus-degree temperature torture. The dashboard of my car actually claimed it was 116 degrees yesterday. We're in bad shape here. > > p.p.s. and no, i don't have any idea why i posted any of this. Nor I this: while slogging through the heat back to my car yesterday after a vain attempt to buy another fan, I saw this car that was just jaw-droppingly stupid. It was a super-customized professional tricked-out vehicle devoted entirely to Dashboard Confessional, complete with logo on the hood, graphicized autographs on the side, and custom seat covers with "DC" on them, only it was a variation on the AC/DC logo, with the lightning-bolt slash between the D and he C. It was a real pro custom-job, maybe the grand prize in a contest or something. Now, I really done know much about Dashboard Confessional other than that they are putatively emo and yet seem to be way more weepy-wimpy-folky than most of the pop-punk that seems to be called "emo" (a question often posed by me, and never answered) I can say that this care is (A) way scarier than any tattoo could ever be; (B) a bunch of hard work that could just as well have been spent getting the car to light up with giant letters that say "VANDALIZE ME"; and (C) nonetheless cause to think for a moment about what the Ultimate Robyn Fan's Thothmobile would look like. A custom Trolleybus? Maybe it's just the heat. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: lying about the New Pornographers On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Rex wrote: > On 8/29/07, Christopher Hintz wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Jill, in the venerated fegmaniax-digest, > > wrote: > > > > > Reverend Chris, don't your kids call the New Pornographers "The Cool > > > Guys"? > > > > Yup! > > Those 70s AM pop hooks had them at the first "woo!" > > But my guys have since asked what their REAL name is, so I told them, > > "That's Carl Newman's band." "Whoa, Poppa, he must be cool. Have > > you ever met him? Is he friends with The Decemberists?" > > Ah, I have so much to learn... > > In a mild attempt to regain some cool-parent cred, I mention that I > have played the Velvets' "What Goes On" as a lullabye since my first > kid was born. I seem to recall that some other feg independently came > up with the same idea... was that you, Jill? Or maybe it was Kay? Have you heard Elizabeth Mitchell's version on her "You Are My Little Bird" kids' album? http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-My-Little-Bird/dp/B000GKZN9M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:05:19 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) tc says: > Portland and Seattle fegs are honorary members of the Bay Area feg > contingent, and are always looking for new members! i know your game, tc, and you're going to have to do a lot better (i.e. worse) to get "the phrase." as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:18:20 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) Rex says: > On 9/3/07, lep wrote: > > > p.s. i just noticed that this thread title is not really appropriate > > anymore. but then i was like sheesh, a thread title like that and i > > think to *change* it? i must be fracking nuts. > > I dunno, I kinda feel like I've been being fucked by David Duchovny > for the whole holiday weekend, but that seems appropriate or at least > possible given the hallucinatory headspace my whole family seems to > have achieved after four or five days of 100-plus-degree temperature > torture. The dashboard of my car actually claimed it was 116 degrees > yesterday. We're in bad shape here. huh? you're saying "being fucked by david duchovny" like it's a *bad* thing. and aren't you in southern CA? isn't it *supposed* to be hot there? how much hotter than normal is 100? and anyway, don't you have a bunch of swimming pools out back? > Nor I this: while slogging through the heat back to my car yesterday > after a vain attempt to buy another fan, I saw this car that was just > jaw-droppingly stupid. It was a super-customized professional > tricked-out vehicle devoted entirely to Dashboard Confessional, > complete with logo on the hood, graphicized autographs on the side, > and custom seat covers with "DC" on them, only it was a variation on > the AC/DC logo, with the lightning-bolt slash between the D and he C. > It was a real pro custom-job, maybe the grand prize in a contest or > something. that is seriously one of the coolest cars i've ever heard of. go back, and take pictures. > "emo" (a question often posed by me, and never answered) I can say i think part of the definition of emo is that no one, especially those who really know the answer, can articulate the true complexity of that which is emo to a mere civilian. the answer's always a bit "if you really understood, you wouldn't wonder why i'm being vague." it like asking a psychology major what a borderline personality is. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:45:21 -0400 From: lep Subject: Fwd: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) and here i thought jeff 2fs was sending me a personal message, but, alas, it was intended for the entire list, so, at his request, here you go: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: 2fs Date: Sep 3, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) To: lep On 9/3/07, lep wrote: > Rex says: > > > and aren't you in southern CA? isn't it *supposed* to be hot there? I believe that when people say "southern California," they're usually referring the LA/OC area, and therefore it is supposed to be *warm* ( i.e., "Mediterranean climate") but not hot. Of course, geography being what it is, what with the ocean and mountains etc., other parts of SC are variously screamingly hot or idiotically cold etc. > > > Nor I this: while slogging through the heat back to my car yesterday > > after a vain attempt to buy another fan, I saw this car that was just > > jaw-droppingly stupid. It was a super-customized professional > > tricked-out vehicle devoted entirely to Dashboard Confessional, > > complete with logo on the hood, graphicized autographs on the side, > > and custom seat covers with "DC" on them, only it was a variation on > > the AC/DC logo, with the lightning-bolt slash between the D and he C. > > It was a real pro custom-job, maybe the grand prize in a contest or > > something. That is probably better than the odd vehicle I saw yesterday: it was one of those boxy '80s Buicks or whatever beloved of the cool urban crowd these days, jacked up, customized rims, etc.etc....with a paint job entirely themed on Dora the Explorer. I'm thinking either it was a DtE promotional vehicle (?) or, uh, someone really outside that show's intended demographic is a disturbingly enthusiastic fan. > that is seriously one of the coolest cars i've ever heard of. go > back, and take pictures. It was one of those times when I wish I were one of those folks either addicted to carrying his camera everywhere or having a cellphone/camera. I am neither: damn, no photo. > > "emo" (a question often posed by me, and never answered) I think we're all avoiding defining it in hopes that doing so will make it go away more quickly. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:52:46 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, lep wrote: > huh? you're saying "being fucked by david duchovny" like it's a *bad* thing. Not at all... just that it would be HOT by one definition or another. > > and aren't you in southern CA? isn't it *supposed* to be hot there? > how much hotter than normal is 100? Hotter enough. The glands kinda tell the story... normally we don't sweat 24 hours a day just hanging around in our houses, and for that past week we have. and anyway, don't you have a > bunch of swimming pools out back? Not us non-rich people, no. And the real drag is that you can't really get to any public source of coolness or water since everyone else is already there... > that is seriously one of the coolest cars i've ever heard of. go > back, and take pictures. I didn't immediately find any images, but here's some info that will probably lead you to a picture if you keep after it... http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2004_June_4/ai_n6055672 > i think part of the definition of emo is that no one, especially those > who really know the answer, can articulate the true complexity of that > which is emo to a mere civilian. the answer's always a bit "if you > really understood, you wouldn't wonder why i'm being vague." And with that, the mystery is totally solved. Thank you. (No sarcasm intended... that's really as good as it's going to get, and satisgyingly snarky!) I've always thought it was sort of the opposite of the definition of porn-- basically, you *don't* know it if you hear it . It's music that can only be categorized by any means other than its musical qualities... it like > asking a psychology major what a borderline personality is. Ah, that I know if I hear it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:56:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, lep wrote: Jeff: > That is probably better than the odd vehicle I saw yesterday: it was > one of those boxy '80s Buicks or whatever beloved of the cool urban > crowd these days, jacked up, customized rims, etc.etc....with a paint > job entirely themed on Dora the Explorer. > > I'm thinking either it was a DtE promotional vehicle (?) or, uh, > someone really outside that show's intended demographic is a > disturbingly enthusiastic fan. Third possibility: very doting parent with Dora-obsessed child and cash to burn. Another one of those things that people with kids are more likely to think of... - -Rex, who has done "Halloween costumes" for the car on the kids' request, but not made permanent modifications... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:37:03 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, Rex wrote: > > > > Third possibility: very doting parent with Dora-obsessed child and > cash to burn. > > -Rex, who has done "Halloween costumes" for the car on the kids' > request, but not made permanent modifications... Uh...okay: I own a white Mini Cooper with a black roof. And it has occurred to me that if I were to design something whisker-like for the front, ear-like for above the front window, and tail-like to extend the antenna in the rear, I would end up with a rather cat-like look for the car, for Halloween, of course. That was frightening, I'm sure. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:57:51 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Some 2007 goodies from the south >james says: >> To whoever it was asking about good music from '07 that may have >> escaped them, I'll chip in with a couple of Kiwi goodies. Don't know >> whether they're likely to be easily found in other parts of the word, >> but one of them in particular is definitely worth the search. > >i don't know why i just thought of it, but i had a friend/boyfriend >who used to send mixed tapes, and one of the first tapes he sent had a >"kiwipop" side. i guess i didn't know any new zealand bands at the >time. he loved the chills and thought "heavenly pop song" was, well, >one of the best pop songs ever. i can't argue with that logic (as an >aside (nothing to do with the "kiwipop" tape), he also spoke very >highly of the magnetic fields "100,000 fireflies" which i can kind of >see, but only if i think hard (an activity which would seem to by >definition make me scratch if off my list of great pop songs.)) at >any rate, maybe i'll dig it out and post the setlist, then you can >judge it. or at least tell me if he snuck in any fakes (e.g. >australians) or anything. That's "Heavenly pop hit" but yes, it lives up to its name. Don't know the Magnetic Fields one offhand. Feel free to send the list... > >> First, I am pleased to report that - unlike several careers that >> point to the contrary, talent can be inherited from the parents. Liam >> Finn (Neil's son) has released his first solo album, "I'll be >> lightning", and it's a good solid effort. Oddly, it makes me think of >> another talented offspring, Rufus Wainwright, but with a decidedly >> Finn twist. > >i believe it was liam who joins mr. finn onstage when he was on that pbs show: >http://www.amazon.com/Neil-Finn-Sessions-West-54th/dp/B000054OW4/ref=sr_1_2/104-8458211-2127155?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1188701148&sr=8-2 Very probably is. ISTR the DVD "Seven Worlds Collide" also features Liam and his band of the time Betchadupa (whose albums are also worth tracking down) > > But that effort pales alongside what is very possibly going to remain >> my NZ disc of the year, unless something surprisingly good happens in >> the next few months: SJD's "Songs from a dictaphone". A very fine >> effort, returning close to the form of "Southern lights" (which I >> regard as one of my top 20 New Zealand albums of all time). > >i went to look them up on allmusic, and their entry made me kind of sad: >http://wm02.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=SJD&sql=11:jbfrxqerldse~T0 mmm. And unfortunately the www.nzmusic.com site , which is usually the best for NZ music, is down at the moment. FWIW there's a review at m(amazingly, I've just realised, that review is written by an old friend of mine whom I haven't seen in a couple of years!), and there's SJD's own site at . Seems there's even a myspace page... . It's more a "him" not a "them", BTW - Sean James Donnelly. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: chauffered by David Duchovny) Rex wrote: > ... to think for a moment about what the Ultimate Robyn > Fan's Thothmobile would look like. A custom Trolleybus? It would definitely be dark green.... "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:50:51 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: chauffered by David Duchovny) On 9/3/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Rex wrote: > > ... to think for a moment about what the Ultimate Robyn > > Fan's Thothmobile would look like. A custom Trolleybus? > > It would definitely be dark green.... Only the acoustic one... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Fwd: [Robyn Hitchcock] I Wanna Go Backwards now available for pre-order gaseous clay wrote: > mitchell dickerson (everybody remember him?) sat down and combed > through the box set's contents and came up with the following. > quoth he: > > -------------------------------------------------- > While Thatcher Mauled Britain > -------------------------------------------------- > My Favourite Buildings (Demo) [from Rhino _IODOT_] > Missing from _Invisible Hitchcock_: > My Favourite Buildings [Or is it the same as either version in > box?] There is no demo version of "MFB" on IODOT; this sounds like the IH version (from my listen to it -- it broke up a couple times, so I could be wrong), which is a couple years older though it's not referred to as a demo. IH and Y&O are definitely going to way of Taking Liberties it appears. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: chauffered by David Duchovny) Rex wrote: > On 9/3/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Rex wrote: > > > ... to think for a moment about what the Ultimate Robyn > > > Fan's Thothmobile would look like. A custom Trolleybus? > > > > It would definitely be dark green.... > > Only the acoustic one... After Moss Elixir and Ole! Tarantula not to mention a certain PI era b-side.... "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:20:31 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Fwd: [Robyn Hitchcock] I Wanna Go Backwards now available for pre-order On 9/3/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > IH and Y&O are definitely going to way of Taking Liberties it > appears. There's meant to be a rarities disc with the Egyptians box, too... maybe some of the missing tracks from this box are to be classified as Egyptians songs, or prototypes for such? (I would guess that some of the rarities thereon will be alternate versions of A&M material, too)... It may be that, with only one pressing on CD, Y&O may end up the rarest RH album, or at least the least-pressed one (discounting mail-order-only items and such). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:20:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) On Sep 3, 2007, at 11:18 AM, lep wrote: > i think part of the definition of emo is that no one, especially those > who really know the answer, can articulate the true complexity of that > which is emo to a mere civilian. http://tinyurl.com/2h9792 It's been pretty hot around here too this weekend. Nasty grass fires are breaking out in the hills due to the dry conditions. We could see the smoke from one of them just being pumped into the sky - it could be the largest fire in many years 'round these parts! Run Bambi Run!! - -tc, waiting to get tonight's Weeds & Californication off teh intrawebs... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:12:35 -0500 From: "Aaron L." Subject: jobless and restless I decided a few months back that the dead-end nature of my current job wasn't likely to change anytime soon. It's a privately owned business which is slowly going under. It'll cling to life as long as the owner can keep coming up with money to throw at it, but the prospect of going down with a sinking ship because less and less appealing. After distributing countless resumes and a plethora of interviews, I finally found a job that I do have a modicum of excitement about. I start a six-week training stint in a city about 120 miles from where I live on September 17. When I gave my current employer notice that I was leaving, he promptly removed me from the schedule. So, I find myself temporarily unemployed and bored out of my mind. I think I need a new hobby. Or something. I have a nice new computer and an extremely high speed internet connection, which can keep me entertained for long stretches, but even that can get tedious eventually. I have a few home improvement projects I'm going to tackle, but I don't really have enough time to tackle the couple of major renovations I want to do; I don't want to tear the house apart only to leave it in that state of disarray for six weeks. Hmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:25:41 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: yes, sir (was: Re: fucked by David Duchovny) jeff 2fs says: > Uh...okay: I own a white Mini Cooper with a black roof. And it has occurred > to me that if I were to design something whisker-like for the front, > ear-like for above the front window, and tail-like to extend the antenna in > the rear, I would end up with a rather cat-like look for the car, for > Halloween, of course. you're fortunate you live far enough away that i can't pester you to drive me around in the mini cooper. i've only been in one, and i spent most the time freaking out over each notice of an instrument of cuteness (IOC) (the turn signal control! the windshield wipers!! the horn!!!) and then lamenting when the ride was over and i was back in harsh reality, separated to this day from the many IOCs. speaking of car decorations, in full procrastination mode, i believe i've combination-scanned-and-uploaded my first photograph. my printer's one of those great 3-in-1 hps, but i mostly print with it, and once in awhile make copies. i've mentioned that my father's business is stickers. well, really the business was on my mother's side of the family before my father weaseled his way in. not that it matters. at any rate, back sometime in the late 60s or early 70s, when peter max was all the rage, the company made a bunch of peter max stickers for putting hell-knows-where. there was some sort of promotion that involved covering cars with the peter max stickers, and here is one of the car/sticker combinations: http://home.comcast.net/~ralpal/maxcar-delta1.jpg somewhere there's a much cooler car/sticker combination that is a ferrari with die-cut flower-shaped stickers that don't cover the entire car. oh -- the stickers were removable, and, thankfully, removed as well. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #314 ********************************