From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #306 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 28 2007 Volume 16 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- crowded house favor, tv ["Melissa Higuchi" ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [Benjamin Lukoff ] Hanlon sings Butler sings Hitchcock [richard hardack ] My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" ["Stacked Cro] what a great t-shirt! [Jill Brand ] tattoos [Jill Brand ] HSM (the second) and why my daughter was just screaming her lungs out [Ji] Re: My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" ["Stacked] Re: what a great t-shirt! [FSThomas ] Awesome thread idea! ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: tattoos [Rex ] Re: HSM (the second) and why my daughter was just screaming her lungs out [Rex ] Re: tattoos ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: 1-800-FEG-HELP ext. BUFFY ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: 1-800-FEG-HELP ext. BUFFY ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" [Rex Subject: crowded house favor, tv Is anyone going to an upcoming Crowded House show who would be willing to pick me up a shirt?Can send $$ via paypal. Oakland show was great. Still don't understand why some people pay $50 a ticket to talk and play with their phones during the show. Alos big thanks to everyone who recommended th Wire. Have made it though the first 3 seasons. McNulty's accent aside it's all very good especially the music. melissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, gaseous clay wrote: > one time at band camp, Sebastian Hagedorn (Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de) said: > > >-- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on > >24. August 2007 23:21:46 -0400 regarding Re: Ironical Ludditism: > > >>(since tc is probably the only one that may have possibly made it > >>through that "finger" bit, > > >No way, I've used "finger" as well! > > yeah, feg's been kicking since 1991-or-so, so a lot of the old-timers > (get off my porch!) certainly know of the finger. > > >hm, my finger.plan still exists! > > mine too: > > Plan: > this is not a plan Mine's "Ceci n'est pas un plan." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: richard hardack Subject: Hanlon sings Butler sings Hitchcock Robyn once mentioned (on the SPECTRE promo CD I think) that he wrote "Railways Shoes" imagining Richard Butler of the Psychedelic Furs singing the song (Robyn also did a very credible Butler impersonation, and of course occasionally used to play "The Ghost in You"). Darren Hanlon--an Australian singer-songwriter who doesn't sound much like Robyn, but is quite good in the Lucksmiths/Candle Records vein--remarks on a live track on his new CD that lazy reviewers usually compare him to Billy Bragg, but that he overheard someone in a men's room after a show say, "Yea, he was pretty good, a bit like Billy Bragg," to which his friend replied, "yea, but he was more like Richard Butler singing Robyn Hitchcock." (Hanlon couldn't see it either, but liked the comparison). Hanlon played an enjoyable set in SF last weekend (lots of Australians in the crowd). - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:52:45 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" for what it's worth, the luddites weren't opposed to technology qua technology. they were opposed to the bosses replacing their jobs with machines. i don't think you're being fair. don't know if there is any sort of active luddite movement around to-day; but, as i mention, there are plenty of primitivist websites. well, why shouldn't they use the most efficient means possible to spread their message? you know, "building the new society in the shell of the old", "defeating the boss with his own tools". again, it's not that they don't *like* technology -- it's that they believe (and, truth be told, argue *very* convincingly) that industrial civilisation, indeed civilisation in general, is killing the planet. is it fanatacism to oppose the killing of the planet? i suppose one's answer may come down to how convincing one finds their case. but, anyways, take another example. plenty of people are in opposition to the bushwars, yet still consent to pay their federal income taxes -- 50% of which are used to finance the wars. does this mean anybody who pays their taxes can't logically be genuinely opposed to the wars? i shouldn't think so. (although i *should* hope that more people would refuse...) ah, then you *might* like the *Challengers* art just fine... shit-howdy! if the motherfuckers-that-be really wanted me to take an interest in singing (let alone not-disrespecting) the national anthem, that's what they'd oughta change it to! KEN "I noticed that one of the men urinated in a can and passed the can to another, who drank it down" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: what a great t-shirt! I went and checked out ferris's spoiler t-shirt at www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt#zoom. Extremely funny. There are some references that I don't get, but I'll ask around. I've only seen about four of these movies (I think that the Harry Potter reference is the only one that isn't a movie...yet), but they are all so famous that I guess everyone knows the endings. Well, except for that Harry Potter one. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: tattoos While I'm on a roll of writing frivously uninteresting posts, I thought I'd ask this: do fegs have tattoos? There are some bands (many of the metallic variety) whose followers tend to sport tattoos. I was wondering if any fegs are so inclined. I've always wanted a little tiny one on my ankle with the Kinks logo from Muswell Hillbillies on it, but I'd be thrown out of my house if I ever did something like that. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: HSM (the second) and why my daughter was just screaming her lungs out Rex asked about the existence of High School Musical in his fellow fegs' lives. I was hesitant to take up fegspace on this topic, but since Buffy seems to have taken over the cyberwaves, I figure I could talk about this other monumental phenomenon (Jill ducks). I was gloriously HSM free until April, when my daughter (15) was sick over April vacation. She asked me to rent HSM because she had never seen it and everone in the whole world had. I had to go to three different video rental stores before finding one in stock. Melanie watched it 6 times in 2 days. Arghh. But wait. It gets better. The senior class of Belmont High School chose HSM as its senior play (the senior play accepts any senior who wants to be in it, and it is pulled together with no funding from the school in the three weeks between senior finals and graduation). Sixty kids auditioned for the play, and everyone got to do something. My son ended up being the stoner skateboarder cello-playing dude. They put on two performances, and for the first time in BHS history, both shows sold out. Over 100 people were turned away from the door for the second performance because middle schoolers from towns far and wide were gulping up all the tickets. The show made $10,000. Seriously. And they had been afraid that they wouldn't be able to cover costs (about $1500). Now they are giving half the money to charity (one would hope to a charity for therapy for parents who have heard HSM too often) and the other half to this year's senior class's senior play. When HSM II was shown on August 17th, about 30 of the kids gathered at the director's house to watch it. I have seen about 3/4 of it, and can't believe how bad it is. Really really really bad. And now to my daughter's screaming. I wish Eb were here to know that, although I am not a Gilmore Girls aficionado, my daughter has turned into one big time. While I was composing this long and boring post, my daughter started screaming her lungs out for me to come downstairs. Why? The Shins were on Gilmore Girls singing So Says I, supposedly in a club in Florida during Yale's spring break. My son, who had been figuring out how to play Forecast Fascist Future on his guitar, came down, too, and stood staring incredulously at James Mercer on the screen. Then, when the Shins were finished, the first song on the loadspeaker system was "The Laws Have Changed." Curt didn't quite know what to do with himself because The Shins and The New Pornographers are arguably his two favorite contemporary bands, and they were on this silly TV show. I guess you had to be there. Let the Buffy rants recommence. Jill, nervously anticipating this week's baseball action (the only thing I watch on TV is sports, but this is nothing to be proud of because I watch LOTS of sports) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:54:48 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" <> ah. mea culpa. of course, in this case, the primitivsts would go in for an "inverse" neutron bomb: one that would leave all living beings unharmed, but would vaporise the structures and the machines. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:03:41 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: what a great t-shirt! Jill Brand wrote: > (I think that the Harry Potter reference is > the only one that isn't a movie...yet) Yeah, that'll be the next one. The Half-Blood Prince. > There are some references that I don't get, but I'll ask around. From left to right: Star Wars Planet of the Apes Usual Suspects The Wicker Man (?) The Crying Game Dallas Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince The Sixth Sense The Matrix Fight Club 300 Psycho Citizen Kane The Others (?) (or LOST, perhaps?) Soylent Green The Village (?) A Beautiful Mind Donnie Darko (?) (http://www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt#zoom) - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:09:30 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Awesome thread idea! nicked from . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:18:45 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: tattoos On 8/27/07, Jill Brand wrote: > While I'm on a roll of writing frivously uninteresting posts, I thought > I'd ask this: do fegs have tattoos? This one doesn't... I seem be pretty unusual in my neighborhood/age bracket for that very reason, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:23:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: HSM (the second) and why my daughter was just screaming her lungs out On 8/27/07, Jill Brand wrote: > Rex asked about the existence of High School Musical in his fellow fegs' > lives. Yeah, sorry about that, but I can't bear the pain alone... When HSM II was shown on August > 17th, about 30 of the kids gathered at the director's house to watch it. > I have seen about 3/4 of it, and can't believe how bad it is. Really > really really bad. Oh, it's even worse than that. Even my stepdaughter confessed that it was bad, although that didn't stop her from watching it four nights straight. But. Las night I watched in awe as she chose not one, not two, but three televised programs over anoher viewing of HSM 1. I kept thinking it was a dream, but it was real. I know! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:41:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: tattoos On 8/27/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > While I'm on a roll of writing frivously uninteresting posts, I thought > I'd ask this: do fegs have tattoos? None. Can't think of anything I'd wish to permanently inscribe on my person anyway. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:53:16 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: tattoos Jill Brand says: > While I'm on a roll of writing frivously uninteresting posts, I thought > I'd ask this: do fegs have tattoos? There are some bands (many of the > metallic variety) whose followers tend to sport tattoos. I was wondering > if any fegs are so inclined. I've always wanted a little tiny one on my > ankle with the Kinks logo from Muswell Hillbillies on it, but I'd be > thrown out of my house if I ever did something like that. oh i love tattoo talk (although mostly only among people i know...or "know" in this case.) i am seriously conservative on the issue of personal tattoos. i don't have any problems with whatever the hell other people do, and often think OP's tattoos are really cool, but i'm rather of the body/temple frame of mind. i'm deeply agnostic, and tend to keep my mind as far away from my body as i can, so i have no idea where that clean-slate body thing comes from. BUT...when i reached a "certain age", i seriously considered getting a small infinity symbol on my lower back or high on my neck (someplace it would not show - it would for the most part be a silent tattoo.) i think part of what stopped me from considering it more seriously was that i was doing a lot of photography at the time, and taking a lot of self-portraits (i think that's a fairly typical that taking portraits goes that way, as the photographer and model's schedules jive so well when they're one and the same (not to mention the weird combination of narcissism, self-loathing, and curiosity when it comes to the self.)) ( N.B.: i put that period where i guessed eddie would think it should go.) i figured a tattoo would screw up my generic-ness as a model. i'm talking like i was oh so marketable. but to myself i was and i didn't want a damn tattoo showing up in half the pictures. but, still, it's a tattoo i would really love to have. theoretically. i love anything to do with infinity; i think it's a beautiful symbol, and also i thought it would be amusing to know it would be there, at least for a little while, when i die. as ever, lauren p.s. btw, i won't even attempt to explain how much i _love_ that episode of "curb your enthusiasm" when larry finds out his mom had a tattoo on her ass. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:01:32 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 1-800-FEG-HELP ext. BUFFY i say: > Chris says: > > Personally, I could have lived without the story arc where most of the > > characters disappear and the show is reduced to a 10-episode-long > > soliloquy by a nude Spike; but this is a matter of personal taste, I > > guess. > > frack you. back to the bunk. p.s. to dear chris: http://hq55.com/cap/fs/amends/am23.jpg p.p.s. BTW, does NSFW mean like naked picture or potential, um, stimulant? - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:08:09 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 1-800-FEG-HELP ext. BUFFY i say: > 2fs says: > > Is that the one where he was oiled up and working out, or the other one? > > oh frack you too. after i get back from chris' post, i'll be in my bunk. p.s. to dear jeff 2fs: http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/154/925/1024/Scarlett_Johansson_34775934.jpg as ever, lauren p.s. and sweet chocolate jesus, more shirtless spike talk!!!! p.p.s. shirtless spike is so compelling, i failed to notice the drop-off in quality in seasons 6 and 7 until i was finished watching both of them. bad script? shirt off. worse script? repeat instructions for "bad script", then chain him to something. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:13:14 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am in awe of this man called "Jesus" On 8/27/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > of course, in this case, the primitivsts would go in for an "inverse" > neutron bomb: one that would leave all living beings unharmed, but would > vaporise the structures and the machines. That's the whole "Electromagnetic Pulse" apocalypse scenario, right? I kinda like that one. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:14:23 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: The Ongoing, Never-Ending Buffy/Angel Thread On 8/27/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > p.s. to dear jeff 2fs: > > http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/154/925/1024/Scarlett_Johansson_34775934.jpg Ummm...yes. Okay. Right then. (On the internet, no one can tell how long there is from when someone begins typing a post to when it's finally posted.) p.p.s. shirtless spike is so compelling, i failed to notice the > drop-off in quality in seasons 6 and 7 until i was finished watching > both of them. Hmm. (I sure hope you meant that you *have* finished watching the whole thing, because I proceed from here on out w/o spoiler warnings.) Having rewatched both recently, I'll concede that 6 is certainly more *difficult* than 5 - but it's also more ambitious. I think that in both seasons, but in 6 particularly, there was a period of iffiness when the writers weren't entirely sure where to go or how to get there. The droney, doomy "work" episodes were not much fun to watch, true (and a dollop of dumb too) - but I do think the end of the season was quite strong. And I do like the way the nerds transitioned from comic relief, really, to being a genuine threat (Warren, most obviously and particularly) - which I think is somehow a good idea, to let them not have recognized a threat. As for the Willow storyline: I do think they overplayed the magic/drug parallels, making several episodes rather afterschool-special-ish...but the payoff was pretty good, and if you look back (I'd alluded to this earlier), Willow's control-freakness and addictive personality were always there in potential. Dawn...well, she was annoying, yes...but then, so are many actual girls of that age. And I think that, actually, sets up her maturing more in 7 pretty well. And I liked 7 quite a bit. Again, a couple eps were a bit iffy (which of those two seasons had "Him" in it - the one about the magic letter jacket? That one plays entirely as if it was a left-over season 1 script they'd run the update brush over lightly...amusing though it was. It even had the nerve to allude directly to the earlier episode it closely paralleled - the one w/Xander being rendered irresistible to women) - but the overall arc, and in particular the last few episodes - once Caleb showed up - worked really well. Just at the point when Buffy was becoming most boring and least sympathetic, they (a) commented on her droning on "inspirationally," by way of Andrew's videotaping, and (b) actually had a mutiny overthrow her. Which at the time I didn't see coming - although re-watching it I could see it had been prepared for. And because I'm a sentimental idiot, the polyslayerization I thought was just totally cool. Yes, I'm one of those idiots that teared up with the little baseball-playing girl. Sue me then. Oh: and a lot of people, apparently, really hated Kennedy. (Personally I just think they're mourning Tara in a weird way.) I like her: yeah, she could be obnoxious, but she's spunky and opinionated and I like that. Early on, she was the only Potential who both took the whole thing seriously & had the courage to deal with it. (PS: It's never made entirely clear in the series, but in the script it was somewhere noted that she's supposed to be 19 - pretty much the oldest Potential, not like 16 or something. So all of you getting ooky feelings about the W/K thing, with Willow being about 22 or 23, can relax.) Finally: the big magic weapon doohickey looked way too much like something someone in a metal band would design. In fact, I would be very much not surprised at all to find that someone's built a guitar that looks exactly like it. Anyway: If you do go on to watch _Angel_ (whose season 4 we're watching now: that's parallel to Buffy season 7), you'll find that they were kinda spotty over there for their own last 2 seasons (something I'd sorta forgotten, until I bought both sets and read over the plot summaries. But they end well... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:54:10 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: HSM (the second) and why my daughter was just screaming her lungs out On 8/27/07, Jill Brand wrote: My son, who had been figuring out how > to play Forecast Fascist Future on his guitar, came down, too, and stood > staring incredulously at James Mercer on the screen. Then, when the Shins > were finished, the first song on the loadspeaker system was "The Laws Have > Changed." Curt didn't quite know what to do with himself because The > Shins and The New Pornographers are arguably his two favorite contemporary > bands, and they were on this silly TV show. I guess you had to be there. Rather on the opposite side of the age divide, I was listening to The New Pornographers in the car the other day when the 9-year-old asked what the name of the band was (presumaby because she liked it), and I ... was pretty sure I shouldn't tell her, but I made sort of a mumbly hash of it. Lying to kids is just not my strong suit, as it turns out. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:54:40 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: The Ongoing, Never-Ending Buffy/Angel Thread 2fs says: > Ummm...yes. Okay. Right then. > > (On the internet, no one can tell how long there is from when someone begins > typing a post to when it's finally posted.) well, i was distracted. but as i've admitted, i can't keep up my side of an internet conversation. just pretend you're reading this three days ago. well, that is, if i were actually responding to something you'd written at three days ago and not an hour ago...oh, OFIYKWIM (if that acronym doesn't exist, it needs to be invented.) > p.p.s. shirtless spike is so compelling, i failed to notice the > > drop-off in quality in seasons 6 and 7 until i was finished watching > > both of them. > > Hmm. (I sure hope you meant that you *have* finished watching the whole > thing, because I proceed from here on out w/o spoiler warnings.) yes, came in right at the finish line as i finished season 7 at 5AM and the semester started at 6PM. > Having rewatched both recently, I'll concede that 6 is certainly more > *difficult* than 5 - but it's also more ambitious. I think that in both > seasons, but in 6 particularly, there was a period of iffiness when the > writers weren't entirely sure where to go or how to get there. The droney, > doomy "work" episodes were not much fun to watch, true (and a dollop of dumb > too) - but I do think the end of the season was quite strong. And I do like > the way the nerds transitioned from comic relief, really, to being a genuine > threat (Warren, most obviously and particularly) - which I think is somehow > a good idea, to let them not have recognized a threat. there are some really good parts to season 6. i loved the nerd trio as well. and i really liked the development of tara's character. i think the problems i had were really with the main characters. i just wasn't feeling it with buffy, willow, xander, and MIA giles. which maybe was part of the point. there were some really interesting things going on around them, and i did_ love_ the idea that buffy's rebirth was really a tragedy - that she was stripped of her heaven. not to mention the best part of season 6 - wall-sex with spike. but it felt like at some point, something kind of stopped and i just wasn't so interested in buffy, willow, or xander the way i was before. > As for the Willow storyline: I do think they overplayed the magic/drug > parallels, making several episodes rather afterschool-special-ish...but the > payoff was pretty good, and if you look back (I'd alluded to this earlier), > Willow's control-freakness and addictive personality were always there in > potential. Dawn...well, she was annoying, yes...but then, so are many actual > girls of that age. And I think that, actually, sets up her maturing more in > 7 pretty well. the dawn storyline was another storyline i really liked. i just loved the idea that she invented and discovered and still family. willow...i don't know...i just had trouble feeling her struggle - i don't really know why. maybe i just didn't buy her darkness. (these are first reflections and so it's fairly likely they'll change with time.) > And I liked 7 quite a bit. Again, a couple eps were a bit iffy (which of > those two seasons had "Him" in it - the one about the magic letter jacket? > That one plays entirely as if it was a left-over season 1 script they'd run > the update brush over lightly...amusing though it was. It even had the nerve > to allude directly to the earlier episode it closely paralleled - the one > w/Xander being rendered irresistible to women) - but the overall arc, and in > particular the last few episodes - once Caleb showed up - worked really > well. Just at the point when Buffy was becoming most boring and least > sympathetic, they (a) commented on her droning on "inspirationally," by way > of Andrew's videotaping, and (b) actually had a mutiny overthrow her. Which > at the time I didn't see coming - although re-watching it I could see it had > been prepared for. again, i felt certain plotlines were very good but that was in spite of the main characters. oh who knows, maybe i just couldn't deal with so much giles-be-gone. > And because I'm a sentimental idiot, the polyslayerization I thought was > just totally cool. Yes, I'm one of those idiots that teared up with the > little baseball-playing girl. Sue me then. oh, i was so barf on that - specifically the last episode, but i'll confess i was totally with faith on wanting to escape to the basement for a cigarette. but then fuck i remembered i quit. > Oh: and a lot of people, apparently, really hated Kennedy. (Personally I > just think they're mourning Tara in a weird way.) I like her: yeah, she > could be obnoxious, but she's spunky and opinionated and I like that. Early > on, she was the only Potential who both took the whole thing seriously & had > the courage to deal with it. (PS: It's never made entirely clear in the > series, but in the script it was somewhere noted that she's supposed to be > 19 - pretty much the oldest Potential, not like 16 or something. So all of > you getting ooky feelings about the W/K thing, with Willow being about 22 or > 23, can relax.) i actually liked kennedy too. she was cool and most of the slayer-ettes were not only not cool, but oppressively talkative and perky. btw, right now i feel like i liked season 4 the most. this is despite that i really did not like the reilly character, the initiative and the adam (what a stupid bad guy) plotlines. i just loved the way that the characters started to open and show parts of themselves that were previously unseen. i especially enjoyed _all_ giles home life (and coffee house) moments and most of all, spike getting the chip. season 5 i liked much for the same reasons (character development), but season 4 made more of an impression on me, probably because it happened first. > Anyway: If you do go on to watch _Angel_ (whose season 4 we're watching now: > that's parallel to Buffy season 7), you'll find that they were kinda spotty > over there for their own last 2 seasons (something I'd sorta forgotten, > until I bought both sets and read over the plot summaries. But they end > well... um, didn't someone say "shirtless sp...OFIYKWIM. so i'll be there... as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #306 ********************************