From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #301 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 23 2007 Volume 16 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ironical Ludditism ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Ironical Ludditism ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [kevin ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [kevin ] Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) ["Gene Hopstetter Jr." ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [Rex ] We're all in this shit together [Rex ] Rediscovered this week... [Rex ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [Tom Clark ] Re: Ironical Ludditism ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Rediscovered this week... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) [gaseous clay ] Re: Ironical Ludditism ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Ironical Ludditism ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Rediscovered this week... [2fs ] Re: Ironical Ludditism [2fs ] Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) [2fs ] In which I gloat. (0% RH) [Christopher Gross ] the "in your bunk" thread ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:58:56 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism Benjamin Lukoff says: > That's painting with a rather broad brush, though (although you do qualify > it with "much of it"). I mean, the wheel: pretty awesome. > > Seriously, though: transportation technology has made us less isolated, > I'd say, and so has movable type. I'm personally grateful for medical > technology, otherwise I might find it rather difficult to walk and pretty > hard to grip a pen. > > Perhaps it's modern electronic communication technology? the point about transportation technology i'd be inclined to argue with. but again, it's broad brush, and in this case probably indicative of my own predilections. i don't think i was able this until recently, but my ideal place to live would be a somewhat out-of-the-way college town (ithaca comes to mind as the sort of standard for this sort of place.) i love the idea of having friends without walking distance, good records stores, and a good coffee shops. not to mention the lovely academic buildings and the overeducated roaming the streets. over the past ten years, i've started to do things like build relationships and friendships with neighbors, but it's slow going - people have their busy lives - and, plus, most of my life i've been fairly shy. other than high school and undergraduate school, my friends have been scattered all over the place. i can talk to them on the telephone, and write letters, and e-mail but it gets to be a drag having to drive (mostly because of traffic issues) or take a train (mostly because, as a single female who already had the gun-pointed-at-me experience, i don't like being in a city train station by myself, late at night) or fly (reasons various and barely countable) to go see them. (surprise, i hate to travel.) and medical technology...more good, more bad. there are an awful lot of lonely old people with families far away. there sometimes seem to be more many more ways to keep people alive than reasons for them to stay alive. i'm old-fashioned, i guess, in the sense that i love the sort of italian notion of generations of family living in the same place, hanging out together, and even enjoying one another's company. but now i'm back on the travel thing, aren't i? (which is not to say i'm not with you on things like staying alive past 40 and the invention of the dentist and such.) but movable type - a damn fine idea. yay to that. x "i still love my parents and i still love the old world" o - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism i say: > indicative of my own predilections. i don't think i was able this > until recently, but my ideal place to live would be a somewhat > out-of-the-way college town (ithaca comes to mind as the sort of apologies, i usually don't bother the list chasing down my ghost words or typos, but that one's really bad. should read: > indicative of my own predilections. i don't think i was able ** to articulate ** this > until recently, but my ideal place to live would be a somewhat > out-of-the-way college town (ithaca comes to mind as the sort of xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:05:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism >Seriously, though: transportation technology has made us less isolated, >I'd say, and so has movable type. I'm personally grateful for medical >technology, otherwise I might find it rather difficult to walk and pretty >hard to grip a pen. > >Perhaps it's modern electronic communication technology? Primarily it's (bing-a-bong-a-bing-bong) television, which my man Terence McKenna famously labeled "the dominator drug par excellence;" see http://dieoff.org/page21.htm . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:07:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism >I would have to say, to quote the great Firesign Theatre, that technology is >"a power so great it can only be used for good or evil." Not to mention "Understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head," a not un-Hitchcockian statement in itself. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:08:32 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) tc says: > You keep writing like that and I'm gonna read every word you write! > > -tc, apparently still 14 years old... i repeat myself, but the list is clearly in need of a female touch. in this particular case, starbuck is so damn hot that i can't imagine i'm anything other than standard-issue on this one, so more females onlist can only mean more potential happiness for tc and all the other 14-year old fegs. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:48:15 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) > From: "Sumiko Keay" > > I believe that both nicknames are from TWOP. Correct. TWOP is the best forum for BSG chat. I watch episodes three times and still get insight from TWOP. +++++ Sent from my Mac IIfx. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:54:32 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: Zappa Plays Zappa > From: Tom Clark > > I think there were about 1,000 Rudy Ruckers there. Did they show up after you ate that tiny square piece of paper? > I tell you, it's quite a sight to witness a 65 year-old "hippie > chick" trying to dance > to "G-Spot Tornado". I can just see the Camarillo brillos. > 68040 FTW!!! I got dual floppies and 128MB of RAM, bee-yeotch! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:01:55 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) > From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > > here my girl: I cannot wait to see her in The Bionic Woman series. More Sackhoff is a good thing. > need. more. nicknames. Go here: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=746 and then say goodbye to a few hours of productivity. Funny how I assumed TWOP coinages were lingua franca. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:34:43 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) Gene Hopstetter Jr. says: > Funny how I assumed TWOP coinages were lingua franca. jason (thank you) introduced to me to TWOP but it was regarding another, shall-renamed-unnamed show. i've very much enjoyed what i've read there. but regardless, i was late to the BSG party, and kind of a loner, even on the world wide web, so maybe it's just me re: the nicknames. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:08:27 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism On 8/21/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > david foster wallace has a pretty long and sort of irritating-to-read > but very good essay The very style to which I aspire at all times! > it was the essay that talks a lot > about the relationship between television and fiction - Oh, that's easy: they wrote it and recorded it on their first album. No, wait, that's the relationship between Television and "Friction". Sorry. it's called "e > pluribus unum." i like the idea in it that people who watch a lot of > television have do have a sort of sense that they are missing out on > something, but, nevertheless, it doesn't stop them from watching. By the same token, people who don't watch television also sometimes get the sense that they're missing something. But it also doesn't stop us from not watching. Until we do, perhaps. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:09:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism On 8/22/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > tc says: > > > That about sums it up, right there. > > /* wonders if tc is now reading my posts in case of mention of > starbuck fantasy fodder */ I thought he'd stated for a fact that he was. Which is not to say he's not reading for other reasons as well. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:12:43 -0700 From: Rex Subject: We're all in this shit together Mildly apropos to the TV-related thread: Any other fegs had to watch "High School Musical 2" yet? How about more than once? If your hand's in the air, I'll buy this round for y'all. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:32:17 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Rediscovered this week... ... although I don't know where either stands on the scale of cultural currence or even potential semipseudofaux-luddism-lite... 1) Being able to listen to, and thus sing along with, music in one's automobile. Had to get a whole new automobile in order to do this (the 16-year-old Corolla I'd been driving until then lost its sound-reproduction capabilities roughly six years ago (and I never felt like spending money fixing it since the car itself was theoretically not going to last much longer anyway LOL!!11!) so there have been no tunes or news in my vehicle since then; same thing with the A/C, with less interesting psychological/more torturous physical consequences). So this is fun. Kind of strangely I've completely changed to way I sing since the last time I was able to do this, so it sounds/feels kind of weird, but cool. And oh my, can I make it go loud. Now, is this frivolous, perhaps even conspicuous consumption, or have I been living in self-denial for the better part of a decade? Can't decide. But again, I can make it go very loud indeed. 2) As a consequence of the above, "the album". See, the car has a CD player (which I've never had in a car before) but not one of those fancy iPod docks or mp3-player thingies, so suddenly I'm burning albums from iTunes onto CDR's and listening to them for the love of God all the way through. (I guess I'm also making backup discs as a side-effect of this effort). And wow, I can actually pay attention to them, too. Thus far I've divided my time between well-known, crank-up-and-sing-along-withable favorites, and bunches of new-to-me stuff that I've been meaning to listen to in-depth for a long time. Just sharing, and possibly warning that reviews of a lot of really old stuff are forthcoming. And oh yeah, one more tech question-- what can I do in order to be able still read my old MS Word documents without, like, buying some shit I really don't need? My "trial" version is about to expire, and as predicted I don't do a damn thing with it other than open stuff rescued off of former machines... And if I haven't individually thanked everyone who's answered my many dumb tech questions of late, I apologize, and thank you all. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:22:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Rex wrote: > On 8/22/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >> >> /* wonders if tc is now reading my posts in case of mention of >> starbuck fantasy fodder */ > > I thought he'd stated for a fact that he was. Which is not to say > he's not > reading for other reasons as well. > I read all your other posts, Lauren. And now I will be skimming the Buffy/BSG posts as well. Perhaps you could throw in some Sackhoff/ Hannigan slash fiction to make it worthwhile? meow! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:42:10 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism kevin wrote: > > Primarily it's (bing-a-bong-a-bing-bong) television, which my man > Terence McKenna famously labeled "the dominator drug par excellence;" Nah, Julian got it right when he sang that televisions were our alien conquerors, come to watch us but instead we became addicted to the dreams they displayed. Of course, he also sang "Ride the elves cloven-hoofed horsey", so y'know, it's all connected. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:49:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rediscovered this week... Rex wrote: > And oh yeah, one more tech question-- what can I do in order to be able > still read my old MS Word documents without, like, buying some shit I really > don't need? OpenOffice is your friend: . It's a bit slow, but does all I need. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:11:38 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: >On Aug 21, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >>p.s. tc, you're behind the times if you're only now discovering my, >>uh, "fondness" for starbuck. >You keep writing like that and I'm gonna read every word you write! erect with anticipation, undoubtedly. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:46:22 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism tc says: > I read all your other posts, Lauren. And now I will be skimming the > Buffy/BSG posts as well. Perhaps you could throw in some Sackhoff/ > Hannigan slash fiction to make it worthwhile? there will be a pause in that programming, as i just saw buffy episode "wrecked" and all fantasy is (perhaps permanently) diverted to, uh, "staying up all night" with spike. sweet chocolate jesus. i believe i have a new all-time-favourite sex scene. uh, have to run now, "bbl." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:49:32 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism i says: > there will be a pause in that programming, as i just saw buffy episode > "wrecked" whoops, apologies to the geeks - i believe it was "smashed" and not "wrecked". the one where they bring the house down, so to speak. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:55:07 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rediscovered this week... On 8/22/07, Rex wrote: > > > psychological/more torturous physical consequences). So this is > fun. Kind > of strangely I've completely changed to way I sing since the last time I > was > able to do this, so it sounds/feels kind of weird, but cool. I sing using my mouth, in combination with lungs, breathing, etc. How did you used to sing? 2) As a consequence of the above, "the album". See, the car has a CD player > (which I've never had in a car before) but not one of those fancy iPod > docks > or mp3-player thingies Is this a new-ish car? Because have you tried putting in a disc chock full o' mp3s in it? A lot of the newer "CD" players have the capacity to play mp3 dicscs too. Because I don't have mega-hard-drive storage (and because way too much music comes my way), my own thing is to collect a CD-R's worth of mp3s (i.e., 700MB) and then burn it. Typically the car player, absent any sort of playlist-reading capacity, will just run through the tracks in alpha order by filename - but it'll play 'em. You might experiment...convenient if you're taking a long drive, and therefore don't have to switch off discs. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:00:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ironical Ludditism On 8/22/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > tc says: > > I read all your other posts, Lauren. And now I will be skimming the > > Buffy/BSG posts as well. Perhaps you could throw in some Sackhoff/ > > Hannigan slash fiction to make it worthwhile? > > there will be a pause in that programming, as i just saw buffy episode > "wrecked" and all fantasy is (perhaps permanently) diverted to, uh, > "staying up all night" with spike. sweet chocolate jesus. i believe > i have a new all-time-favourite sex scene. > > uh, have to run now, "bbl." Now see if you'd been watching _Firefly_ elsewhere in the Whedonverse, you'd've had the perfect line to go there. To wit: "I'll be in my bunk." (We just finished rewatching all the Buffy DVDs. Two or three "special features" and one Joss commentary - on le grande finale - for tomorrow. Uh, onto Angel S4 next...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:57:59 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the thread of hotness (Re: BSG hottness) On 8/22/07, gaseous clay wrote: > > one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: > > >On Aug 21, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > >>p.s. tc, you're behind the times if you're only now discovering my, > >>uh, "fondness" for starbuck. > > >You keep writing like that and I'm gonna read every word you write! > > erect with anticipation, undoubtedly. Well at least no one's mentioned "oppressive udders" yet. Uh-oops. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:20:20 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Rediscovered this week... On 8/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > I sing using my mouth, in combination with lungs, breathing, etc. How did > you used to sing? > Is this a new-ish car? Because have you tried putting in a disc chock full > o' mp3s in it? A lot of the newer "CD" players have the capacity to play mp3 > dicscs too. I was told it couldn't do that, but I'll probably try one anyway. I really never do long trips and I'm really relishing the album thing now, silly as that may sound. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: In which I gloat. (0% RH) Last night I finished reading the Harry Potter series. I quite liked it. But what I really want to talk about now is this: I got through the last four books without *any* spoilers whatsoever! None! That's right, world - -- you've conspired to spoil plot twists for me in everything from The Crying Game to Alien 3 to "Seeing Red," but this time you failed! You failed! At last, I win! I WIN! Bwahahahahaha!!! Hee. - --a slightly sleep-deprived Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:07:25 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: the "in your bunk" thread 2fs says: > To wit: "I'll be in my bunk." well, it looks like everyone's in their bunk this afternoon. so in honor, i'll start a "favourite sex scene" thread. no porn, since we all (or most of us) believe we're above it anyway. since i'm starting the thread, i should probably participate. i'm female, so no big surprises here. for quite awhile, mine was the bathtub scene in "the english patient." which i think in which there was no actual sex but it was close enough (i think the bathtub scene was soon after an actual "having sex" sex scene.) well, that was until yesterday when i got Spike Fever. btw, he seems to have an uncanny ability to have sex not only with his pants on but without even bothering to unzip. maybe it's a vampire thing. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #301 ********************************