From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #297 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, August 19 2007 Volume 16 : Number 297 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the buffy thread lives ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: the buffy thread lives [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: the buffy thread lives [Capuchin ] HS inspiration (was: the buffy thread lives) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: the buffy thread lives ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: the buffy thread lives [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: the buffy thread lives [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:19:59 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives Benjamin Lukoff says: > I am so sick of people assuming I'm conservative because I disagree with > them. (Assuming I'm conservative apparently encourages my supposed > conservatism, BTW, apparently) if it's any consolation, maybe you're just an independent thinker. they tend to confuse people. my liberal friends think i'm conservative. my conservative friends think i'm liberal. plus they think i put peanut butter in their chocolate. anyway, the joke's on them because they forget to consider nihilism as viable option. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Benjamin Lukoff says: > > I am so sick of people assuming I'm conservative because I disagree with > > them. (Assuming I'm conservative apparently encourages my supposed > > conservatism, BTW, apparently) > > if it's any consolation, maybe you're just an independent thinker. they I like to think so... > tend to confuse people. my liberal friends think i'm conservative. my > conservative friends think i'm liberal. plus they think i put peanut > butter in their chocolate. anyway, the joke's on them because they > forget to consider nihilism as viable option. Ja-- I guess since I live in Seattle I get the "you're conservative" thing more often than not. Oh well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Capuchin wrote: >>>> Of course, encouraging laziness (and assuming people are lezy >>>> encourages laziness) is the primary means of enacting a conservative >>>> agenda. >>> I knew we'd get around to that. Are you trying to imply something? >> I'm trying to imply everything that logically follows from my >> statements. That's way too much to write here, I think. And I'm just >> going to assume my readers (including you) will figure out what those >> are. > > I am so sick of people assuming I'm conservative because I disagree with > them. (Assuming I'm conservative apparently encourages my supposed > conservatism, BTW, apparently) Did someone assume you're conservative? That's certainly not something that logically follows from what I wrote. I mean, unless anyone who does any of the things that promote a conservative agenda is conservative. You did (or at least implied that you would do) one of the things that enacts a conservative agenda -- indeed, the prime thing. But I don't know if that means you're conservative. You might have done it without underestanding its full consequences. People do stupid shit all the time and it's not always on purpose. So please stick to reading in the things that actually follow from what I wrote and not some half-cocked personal stuff that you read into it yourself. I don't mean to be rude, I'm just tired and hot. This city is rough. J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:38:20 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: HS inspiration (was: the buffy thread lives) Lauren sez: >i was very fortunate to have been saved >from the hell that was public school and sent to a little >"alternative" hippie high school in 11th and 12th grade. there, i had >a math teacher who actually gave a shit about math and her students. i >can pin down an actual turning point where my life changed because of >her. I can fully trace my career and nearly every dime I've made since I was about 21 to the fortuitous placement of a working writer as the teacher / leader of an alternative English class program in my high school called Writer's Workshop. Because of my being accepted in the program (you had to "audition" with creative writing samples and placement tests), I eventually had my poetry published nationally by the time I was 16, ran the college publications office as a first-semester sophomore, and had my first credit on a book-length project (uh, well, an actual "book," in this case...but pardon my semi-resume jargon) by the age of 22. So, yeah, I very much believe in the life-changing influence of a well-placed teacher who cared... Michael Sweeney ...And, yeah, you can't teach talent or even aptitude -- and I've put lots of hard work in (up to 15 "book-length projects" plus 2 novels now) -- but without Mort Castle in the right place at the right time, I might've gone on to beome (shudder) a lawyer or something else...not that there's anything wrong with that, but... _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:01:33 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #295 Rex said: >John Cale is teh awesome. I bet you didn't know I was going to say >that, did you? >(and the shock of that Wilco thing being as bad as I'd been warned) >What I like about the Buffy thread is that it's really the Lauren >thread Score me as: * More of a Lou man than a Cale man (and I bet you knew I would say that) * Comfortably pro "Sky Blue Sky" (finally got my long-ago ordered and paid-for copy) * "Buffy" -- meh (but willing to try "Firefly" and "Serenity") * Absolutely pro Lauren Michael "But..sigh -- I DO end up reading the (many, many) 'Buffy' posts, cuz ya never know what side discussion will emerge.." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:27:51 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: the summer blockbusters just keep coming... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/primo_levis_journey/ xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:34:30 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #295 >On 8/17/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: >> >So no one thinks that "My Wife and My Dead Wife" is so named sheerly >> >out of coincidence, right? That seems an incredibly unlikely >> >prospect. I really think that Robyn should have been given some sort >> >of passing mention, at the very least, in the credits, although it >> >doesn't seem that he has, anywhere that I can see. >> >> Hell, if the film "Things to do in Denver when your dead"'s title was >> a coincidence with the Zevon song (which it apparently was), then >> anything's possible. > >Dunno about that-- I feel pretty certain the film was named after the >Zevon song-- but I do recall that John Cale's "Things" (and its evil >twin "Things X") features the refrain "Doing the things / Things you >do in Denver when you're dead", which he admits to having borrowed >from the film title, but was unaware that the film was already named >after a song, although he did express general admiration for Zevon as >an artist when told about it. Please don't look at that sentence too >closely because it really isn't one. Ahh. That could be what I was thinking of. Yeah, it seemed a stretch of coincidence. >John Cale is teh awesome. I bet you didn't know I was going to say >that, did you? it was always a possibility. BTW, I've just been listening to an album called "The heart is the place" by an Oxford (UK) band called Goldrush. I'm surprised none of the Flaming Lips flans on Fegmaniax have mentioned it. Very fine in a very FL way. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:44:32 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Tony Wilson Brilliant memoir of Tony Wilson by Howard Jacobson here: http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/howard_jacobson/article2874097.ece - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:14:08 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: More Talk, Less Rock: 15 Masters Of Onstage Banter 8. Robyn Hitchcock (http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/more_talk_less_rock_15_masters) Though he came to the fore with The Soft Boys during the rise of English punk in the 1970s, Robyn Hitchcock's sensibilities always leaned more toward quirky and psychedelic, influenced by the whimsical humor of Syd Barrett, Bob Dylan, and Monty Python's Flying Circus, not to mention his own novelist father. That comes out in his songs via surreal lyrics about humanity evolving into birds and jokey warnings about the Freudian implications of uncorrected childhood personality traits. Live, Hitchcock often pauses between songs to spin bizarre, off-the-cuff stories, including goofy tales about knights who keep forgetting what they're supposed to be questing for ("Seek ye the one known asb& Leo? Jeff? Dennis?"), macabre imagery ("I don't know what kind of church you imagine, but I like to imagine a church full of carcasses"), and dreamlike descriptions of workmen in the desert howling as giant glass cathedrals float past them high above. listen : "Intro To Eyes" by Robyn Hitchcock _http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/more_talk_less_rock_15_masters_ (http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/more_talk_less_rock_15_masters) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:04:19 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the buffy thread lives Cap: > I don't mean to be rude, I'm just tired and hot. This city is rough. Yep. On the bright side, there's a reasonable chance it won't be here anymore a week from now. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:04:18 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives jeff 2fs says: > True enough. I forget the context again. That's what happens when one of > these discussions goes on all week - your brain gets completely bleached dry > by Friday of whatever it was soaking in on Monday. understood. i'm too slow at writing and thinking to be a good participant in the longer discussions around here. in fact, that was one of things that kept me from joining the regular list for a long time. but hopefully there's still a place for the short, generalizing, smart-ass posts of my ilk. > > but the boys are still my favourites...giles and spike. at this point > > (about to watch "i was made to love you") spike is the real draw for > > me. if he didn't exist, he would have to be invented. > > See? She is a girl! are you referring to _me_? and if so, are you DEAF? or are you just trying to to get more reports on angel's bare torso? speaking of torsos, i recently came across this and found it to be a riot: http://leecaps.livejournal.com/2006/01/ e.g. http://leecaps.livejournal.com/404.html#cutid1 i like the various rating categories, especially the "vest of hotness." like everyone's dying to know: i figured out why i'm all "meh" about lee/apollo on BSG. his looks are way too tom cruise-ish for me. and anyway, starbuck's hotness eclipses all other BSG hotness. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Capuchin wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Capuchin wrote: > >>>> Of course, encouraging laziness (and assuming people are lezy > >>>> encourages laziness) is the primary means of enacting a conservative > >>>> agenda. > >>> I knew we'd get around to that. Are you trying to imply something? > >> I'm trying to imply everything that logically follows from my > >> statements. That's way too much to write here, I think. And I'm just > >> going to assume my readers (including you) will figure out what those > >> are. > > > > I am so sick of people assuming I'm conservative because I disagree with > > them. (Assuming I'm conservative apparently encourages my supposed > > conservatism, BTW, apparently) > > Did someone assume you're conservative? That's certainly not something > that logically follows from what I wrote. I mean, unless anyone who does > any of the things that promote a conservative agenda is conservative. > > You did (or at least implied that you would do) one of the things that > enacts a conservative agenda -- indeed, the prime thing. But I don't know > if that means you're conservative. You might have done it without > underestanding its full consequences. > > People do stupid shit all the time and it's not always on purpose. > > So please stick to reading in the things that actually follow from what I > wrote and not some half-cocked personal stuff that you read into it > yourself. > > I don't mean to be rude, I'm just tired and hot. This city is rough. So....you're being lazy. Oh well. Hey, anyone know how to implement a killfile using Pine? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the buffy thread lives On Sat, 18 Aug 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > and anyway, starbuck's hotness eclipses all other BSG hotness. Something we can all agree on! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #297 ********************************