From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 14 2007 Volume 16 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: robyn's MSF shows (was Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go) [2fs ] A.Girl,A.Planet [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: need IPOD advice [Capuchin ] Re: Space Shanty! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] digital video for beginners [Christopher Gross ] Re: Subject: Blossom Toes albums re-released ["Leftenant Reg?" ] Re: digital video for beginners ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: digital video for beginners [Tom Clark ] this is going to sound maudlin but... [Jill Brand ] Re: digital video for beginners ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: need IPOD advice ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: need IPOD advice ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: If this doesn't ring of Robyn, I'm not sure what would... ["Michael S] Re: robyn's MSF shows (was Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] so, what does everybody think... ["Stacked Crooked" ] Eaten By Her Own Dinner Live 1981 ["Bri N" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:04:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: robyn's MSF shows (was Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go) On 8/13/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > 2fs says: > >> the other one > > > was a cover of that pink floyd album everyone seems to like a bunch - > > > "piper at the gates of dawn." > > > > > > Was that the same as the generally Syd-oriented one? > > below is the info.txt file for that show. also, there was another > show on 2006-12-17 that had either the same setlist or one very close > to it (again, not spunky to correlate to-night.) Ah - mystery solved: I think each concert was performed twice - thus, six shows. Unless someone else knows better, that's my theory, which is mine. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:12:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: need IPOD advice On 8/13/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > --On 13. August 2007 06:40:23 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" > > wrote: > > > Not necessarily. Though I use an iPod pretty much every day, there a few > > minor irritations: > > * You pretty much have to use iTunes > > * You can't sync an iPod to multiple computers > > Not true. > > > * You can't get music off an iPod > > Sure you can. > The USB mass storage players allow you to move music (and any data you > > wish) at will. iPod knows best, and unless you want to work that way, > > it's a pain. > > Not true. Oh no - it's a Stewart/Sebastian duel! Crabs at twenty paces. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:41:04 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: A.Girl,A.Planet there are a few other songs i didn't know. i guess one country's "naff" is another country's "unplayed." i haven't heard the original of "come up and see me (make me smile)", but robyn's version is sweetness and heartache. but the real killer in the set for me is "another girl, another planet." sigh. as ever, lauren * You'll be cheesed off to know that I have a ticket to see The Only Ones on 7th September, then... Mike Godwin PS The delightful solo on the original CUASM(MMS) is by ex-Blossom Toe Jim Cregan, FWIW. Well worth tracking down a copy on a UK Hits of the 70s compilation! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: need IPOD advice On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > * You pretty much have to use iTunes I don't run Windows or OSX and, therefore, have no iTunes available to me, but I still use my iPod. > * You can't sync an iPod to multiple computers Not with iTunes, but Banshee and Rhythmbox support that. > * You can't get music off an iPod Again, see the above programs. There's also Senuti for OSX. > The USB mass storage players allow you to move music (and any data you > wish) at will. I formatted my iPod on a Windows computer so that it would have a FAT32 filesystem and every computer can read it (lowest common denominator, anyone?). It works fine as a USB mass storage device. However, you can't add music that way. > iPod knows best, and unless you want to work that way, it's a pain. The only Apple software I run is the firmware on the iPod itself and I'm just fine. J. - -- .sig in storage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:13:20 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Space Shanty! > From: Steve Schiavo > Subject: Re: need IPOD advice > > Now finishing a good size iTunes purge and replacement, brought on by > the need to listen to Khan at work today. (Hillage in peak form with > the Dave Stewart that matters!) Fuck yeah! I just have to say Fuck Yeah! to another fan of the Space Shanty. Hot damn is that a perfect album. Now if I could only stop buying different copies of it. Nah, fuck it. I'll keep buying it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: digital video for beginners > > 2. Does anyone know how to convert .vob files so that I can burn a DVD to > > watch on a DVD player (not just on a computer)? This is something I'd like to learn more about too. Lauren's post has already quadrupled (approximately) my knowledge of the subject. Now, does anyfeg out there do the same thing on a Mac? Do you use iDVD or some third-party program? Any recommendations for a good website to learn more? On a related note, I'm also interested in how you can rip a DVD to an .avi or .mov file. (This has probably been discussed before, but I've long since forgotten what was said.) My goal is not to upload the files to BitTorrent, it's to watch movies on my soon-to-be-purchased MacBook without carrying the DVDs around with me. Again, any recommendations on programs to use or websites to learn more? Thanks! - --Chris the clueless newbie ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:49:53 -0400 From: "Leftenant Reg?" Subject: Re: Subject: Blossom Toes albums re-released >>From: "Michael Godwin" Subject: Blossom Toes albums re-released www.sunbeamrecords.com have re-released both Blossom Toes albums with loads of extra tracks. Good news! - - - Mike Godwin<< One of 1967's best kept secrets! Wicked groovy reissue! Mark NP - The Prime Moves - Sins Of The Fourfathers (the no overdubbed organ issuance!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: JBJ Subject: Re: digital video for beginners On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Christopher Gross wrote: >>> 2. Does anyone know how to convert .vob files so that I can burn a DVD to >>> watch on a DVD player (not just on a computer)? > > This is something I'd like to learn more about too. Lauren's post has > already quadrupled (approximately) my knowledge of the subject. Now, does > anyfeg out there do the same thing on a Mac? Do you use iDVD or some > third-party program? Any recommendations for a good website to learn > more? I'm a Mac user; I use Popcorn to burn dvd's and also to encode existing dvd to other formats (for iPod or laptop). I think Popcorn's functionality got added to the latest version of Toast Titanium. I've never looked into burning .vobs into a DVD format. I would imagine you can't do it without building a Table Of Contents, but that's just a guess. While we're on the subject; does anyone know of a good program or a good learning resource for removing previews, FBI warnings, etc. from dvd's?? Burning backups for my kids movies (to play in the van on a road trip) and Disney is particular horrible for this -- at least 5 minutes of previews (which you can't quit out of or skip) until you can get to the main menu. Urgh. (a music war). JBJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:17:51 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: digital video for beginners JBJ says: > While we're on the subject; does anyone know of a good program or a good > learning resource for removing previews, FBI warnings, etc. from dvd's?? > Burning backups for my kids movies (to play in the van on a road trip) and > Disney is particular horrible for this -- at least 5 minutes of previews > (which you can't quit out of or skip) until you can get to the main menu. > Urgh. (a music war). sorry, another windows-centric post. there are some links below for further reading which might help the mac folks. for windows, these programs can be used to backup dvds: DVD Decrypter (this strips the region codes off the disc) DVD Shrink (double-layer blanks are still really pricey; this program allows you to compress the disc (i.e. double-layer to single-layer) as well as remove extra features and previews.) i don't know if these programs are available for mac. but i can recommend the following websites. it seems like a lot of information, but once you've done it once or twice, it's easy. (if you wait a bit, perhaps a mac feg will post to fill in mac details.) http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvdburn.htm http://www.digitalfaq.com/index.htm http://www.videohelp.com/ sadly, i can't answer chris' question about ripping movies to *.avi files. at one point, i looked into this, but i ended up losing interest before i figured it out. i'm fairly sure those first two sites would have good information on this. so far, they covered everything i've wanted to know about video. btw, one of my sony dvd players will play the *.vob files if they are just burned as data, but it's a fairly new machine (my older sony machine won't play them unless burned as a dvd (i.e. instead of plain data.)) as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:54:32 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: digital video for beginners On 8/13/07, Christopher Gross wrote: > > > 2. Does anyone know how to convert .vob files so that I can burn a DVD to > > > watch on a DVD player (not just on a computer)? You can use Mac The Ripper (FREE): http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22715 This can rip the MOVIE alone or the entire DVD. > On a related note, I'm also interested in how you can rip a DVD to an .avi > or .mov file. (This has probably been discussed before, but I've long > since forgotten what was said.) > My goal is not to upload the files to > BitTorrent, it's to watch movies on my soon-to-be-purchased MacBook > without carrying the DVDs around with me. Again, any recommendations on > programs to use or websites to learn more? For this you could use the all in one Handbrake: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21117 It acts as a DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. My wife swears by it, but I never use it. Here is a great site that has a lot of answers on MAC DVD burning and DVD burning in general: http://forum.videohelp.com/mac-f9.html As for the pesky FBI removal stuff, for your legally owned DVDs, after using Mac The Ripper, you can use stream clip: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24055 I hope this gives you some direction. Best of luck! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:53:02 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: digital video for beginners My usual workflow for movies to iPod/AppleTV is to use Handbrake. It can just rip the feature and forget about the extra crap. To backup movies, I use MacTheRipper (which has an option to create a VIDEO_TS folder of just the feature). Then Toast Titanium to burn the DVD. Toast has an option that will actually reincode the MPEG2 to squeeze the movie onto one DVD, if you need to. Oh, and for episodic TV DVDs, Handbrake can rip the DVD into one big h.264 file and add chapter marks so you can jump from episode to episode on your iPod/AppleTV. I usually mock up a jpeg with the cover art and episode list and then add that as the artwork in iTunes, so when you select the file on the iPod/AppleTV you can see which episodes it contains. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: this is going to sound maudlin but... I just want to thank everyone for being so responsive to my idiotic computer questions on a regular basis. You all make me feel safe in this wild, wild cyberworld. Woj wrot: "i assume you're on dimeadozen? if so, the newest versions of bittorrent are actually banned on dime." I actually thought you were trying to pull my leg with this, but then I went to the Dime FAQ you had written about, and there it all was. I don't know how I ever would have found it, and my husband, who sits in front of a computer all day, spent at least an hour last night trying to re-configure things so that it would work. Thanks again everyone. Really. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:57:27 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: digital video for beginners Tom Clark wrote: > My usual workflow for movies to iPod/AppleTV is to use Handbrake. It > can just rip the feature and forget about the extra crap. Yeah, Handbrake is the business: . Apparently there are Windows and Linux versions now. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:12:04 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: need IPOD advice 2fs wrote: > > Crabs at twenty paces. It would have to be mole crabs. Best crustaceans ever! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:13:14 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: need IPOD advice Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> * You can't sync an iPod to multiple computers > > Not true. You can't have it done automatically (AFAIK), but for doing it > manually there's plenty of software that does it. I use PodWorks. Yes, but I was talking in all cases about using iTunes, as 95%+ of users will do. I know I can mount the sucker as a mass storage device and hoover off the music, but most people don't. In fact, if you're really unlucky and don't watch what you're doing, connecting your iPod to someone else's computer will delete your music and sync theirs. Baaad design! > AFAIK that depends on the iPod model. I've heard that the shuffle has > worse sound than the others. And of course it depends on the headphones. The Shuffle's sound really did bite it, and it wasn't even a very good USB stick. I have Etymotic ER6i phones, which listed at $200 when I bought them - you can tell good sources from bad with them, but only in a vewy qwiet room. >> The USB mass storage players allow you to move music (and any data you >> wish) at will. iPod knows best, and unless you want to work that way, >> it's a pain. > > Not true. Well, I do know of what I speak with the mass storage players. My iRiver h120 is 20GB of audio goodness, and I can store what I want on it, move it from machine to machine without fear of messing up its contents, arrange files and playlists *exactly* the way I want (f'rinstance, a playlist of songs only 2'17", 3'17" or 4'17" length, whose second letter of the title is "m", on an album released in a leap year - if I really wanted), and it records too. Can't do that with an iPod. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:36:22 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: RE: If this doesn't ring of Robyn, I'm not sure what would... James said: >PS - feeling a little "tired and emotional" today... Saturday was the first >time I've ever been to an ex-girlfriend's funeral. :( James, my heart-felt condolences...had one of those myself, back in '94 (when she was only 38 and we were less than 2 years apart and still quite friendly -- in fact, I just missed a phone call hours before her accident)...and they are quite disorienting emotional events. Worse than "merely" a friend's / peer's funeral, yet...as a "mere" ex, you have to sublimate your spot in the existential mourning "line" (as it were) to current spouse / equivalent and family...but still very tough (ah: the vagaries of aging)... Michael Sweeney ...Sniff -- plus she STILL had my original CD copy of "EOL"...but...ah -- I figured it was bad form to ask someone to look around for it (and some of my other misplaced things) among her stuff... _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:48:06 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: robyn's MSF shows (was Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go) jeff 2fs says: > Ah - mystery solved: I think each concert was performed twice - thus, six > shows. well, the neurotic in me (which is actually fairly close to 100%) would point out that the white album was actually performed over two nights (sides 1 and 2 on first night, 3 and 4 on the second) so if it's an actual _show_ count, that gets it up to seven. actual _album_ count would still be five. so six remains a mystery. at least to me. to be fair, there's a fair chance that some folks aren't as neurotic as i am and maybe that's who made the statement (i can't remember from the post if you said that it was robyn who said "six" in which case neurot-o-meter is pretty high.) at any rate, i found these on the archive for interested parties: http://www.archive.org/details/robynhitchcock2006-12-17 (i remember one of the shows was reported to be notably better than the other, and fortunately, i think it's this one, the second night.) http://www.archive.org/details/rh2007-07-01 i don't see the "naff" show up there, but as i mentioned, happy to reseed or do B&Ps for it. both shows kindly recorded and shared by matthijs, who has a sort of stunning capability to be same place / same time as robyn playing. with recording equipment even. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:08:34 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go On 8/12/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > 2fs says: > > Was that the same as the generally Syd-oriented one? > > yes. i'll post the setlist after this post. > > > I remember talk at the time re the '70s one - the first, no? > > that i don't know but the date is 2003-04-20 so that fits. also > there's more mention of MSF, and so that's another in the "probably" > column. but you'd have to consult the oracle which is generally eddie > but, in this particular case, could also be: > http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/ > > > - is that *Wire*'s "I Am the Fly" in there?!? Doesn't seem to fit - although > > I'd love to hear that version (if that's the song). > > that's the one. he mentions it might not be "naff," but plays it > nonetheless. yay and all that jazz. > > > And is "Spacer" a song > > or just a name for various babblings and millings-about that constitute > > track 10? > > it's a song the original of which i don't think i ever heard. > > i'm not feeling spunky enough for correlation, but this should narrow it down: > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=17:1443921 > > i think there's a decent chance it's the one by soul parlor. > > it goes something like "spacer...star...chaser...spacer...star...chaser..." > > there are a few other songs i didn't know. i guess one country's > "naff" is another country's "unplayed." i haven't heard the original > of "come up and see me (make me smile)", but robyn's version is > sweetness and heartache. I think I first heard it on the "Velvet Goldmine" soundtrack, and liked it plent. Prior to that I had known it as a lyrical fragment that Sean Ryder tossed into "Grandbag's Funeral" by the Happy Mondays... had no idea it was a quote from another song, but shoulda figured. > > but the real killer in the set for me is "another girl, another planet." sigh. Has anyone seen the semi-reunited Only Ones? I have always drawn some parallels between the vocal styles of the young Robyn and the young Peter Perrett, so it'd be kind of instructive to hear Perrett today (acknowledging that he didn't treat himself quite as well in the intervening years as Robyn). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:16:15 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: need IPOD advice On 8/13/07, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > > > Crabs at twenty paces. > > It would have to be mole crabs. Best crustaceans ever! The Fun Fact of the Day on at Kidspace Childrens'ses Museum on Saturday was that the Japanese Warrior Crab is the world's largest arthropod, weighing up to 44 pounds. That's a pretty good crustacean right there... might win you a duel or two. The blue crabs are the most delicious, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:43:37 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: so, what does everybody think... ...of the new beatallica album? i can't figure out whether i love it...or hate it...or what? (but i *am* sure that i love "Hey Dude", even if it is a little too much of a nod to tenacious d.) i'm underwhelmed by the new tim keegan record, alas. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:21:46 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Eaten By Her Own Dinner Live 1981 In celebration to the box set coming out in October here's a live song from 1981 -certain not to be in the box set (I'm sure much better stuff will surface in the box set): http://www.sendspace.com/file/41h1sa Strange performance! Oh you Soft Boys! - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:42:11 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: robyn's MSF shows (was Re: HELP!! This is the only place I know to go) one time at band camp, Lauren Elizabeth (softboygirl@gmail.com) said: >i don't see the "naff" show up there, but as i mentioned, happy to >reseed or do B&Ps for it. been meaning to address that omission -- as well as upload a bunch of other stuff as well. life has been in a turmoil since the spring around here though and a lot of things i meant to do as far back as march have kinda fallen by the wayside. still recovering from the tainspin but i will try to get the naff hits uploaded this week and upload other on something approaching a regular schedule as well. wish me luck. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: so, what does everybody think... Stacked Crooked wrote: > ...of the new beatallica album? i can't figure out whether i love > it...or hate it...or what? (but i *am* sure that i love "Hey > Dude", even if it is a little too much of a nod to tenacious d.) Isn't it pretty much all the stuff that's been available for free for several years, back to before Michael Jackson's minions tried to shut them down before Lars Ulrich found them a good lawyer? I kinda favored "Four Horseman" out of those.... "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #291 ********************************