From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #280 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 2 2007 Volume 16 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- t-shirt for math geeks [2fs ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [2fs ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: t-shirt for math geeks ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: t-shirt for math geeks ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 [Rex ] Twin Cities fegs? [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Twin Cities fegs? ["Sumiko Keay" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 ["Brian Huddell" ] Robyn in Popmatters [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 ["Michael Wells" ] reap [Christopher Gross ] Re: reap [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Robyn in Popmatters [JBJ ] Re: Robyn in Popmatters [Tom Clark ] Re: Robyn in Popmatters ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Robyn in Popmatters ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] This really is gorgeous ... ["Stewart Russell" ] This is gorgeous ... ["Stewart Russell" ] postman (u.s.) for a day ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] maybe i laughed... (100% buffy-related) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: postman (u.s.) for a day [2fs ] Re: postman (u.s.) for a day ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:17:22 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: t-shirt for math geeks Came to me in the middle of the night - around the same time as a bizarro disaster movie plot (to which it bears no relation): < http://spanghew.blogspot.com/2007/08/t-shirt-for-math-geeks.html> - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:46:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On 8/1/07, Rex wrote: > > > of them (if I bothered to)... it would be kind of cool to see them again, > if > only to admire/stare in horror at my youthful industriousness/loserdom. Well, you know, Robert Pollard started out making fake album covers for fake bands - so who knows, maybe you could go from that to getting drooled at in Pitchfork with your new band Lord Fuckingham Swares & the Goddamningtons. At least you're not messing around photoshopping fake math-based t-shirts... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:04:42 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? Rex says: > but I think I may have recorded over it with a dub from my own > cassette of "Fegmania!" to create a handy Robyn twofer for my Walkman. unless it was a new album, i gave some consideration about what went on the b-side of a cassette. new albums i just usually taped to have it to listen to in the car and left the b-side blank until i got tired of the album. otherwise, it was generally the same artist (a twofer, then.) for the albums i liked obsessively, eventually i just started putting the album on both sides of the cassette, just to eliminate the doldrums of rewinding (or maybe it just speaks to my enduring love for symmetry.) sometimes i got really crazy and made a cassette with e.g. love and rockets on one side and david j on the other. best driving tape: "the modern lovers" backed with (you guessed it) "the modern lovers." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:10:20 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: t-shirt for math geeks 2fs says: > Came to me in the middle of the night - around the same time as a bizarro > disaster movie plot (to which it bears no relation): < > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/2007/08/t-shirt-for-math-geeks.html> nice touch on the natural log. because that is the logarithm base of the devil. (unless you are one of the internet -> apocalypse folks. then maybe it's log base 2?) xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:40:49 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: t-shirt for math geeks Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > nice touch on the natural log. because that is the logarithm base of the devil. It certainly drove Napier mad. Apparently he was totally barking at the end. Didn't help living in Killearn, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:48:06 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 >I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. Way back in my days in a band in the late 1980s, our bass player played me Underwater Moonlight and I was hooked (though at the time I didn't know it). Time went by and the bass player moved to Australia and - backwater that this is/was - I didn't see any other Robyn records, but the songs from UM kept on haunting my mind. One day, at the public library, of all places, I saw a CD of "Perspex Island", which had a review pinned to the outside with the headline "New album by ex-Soft Boy". I didn't care whether it was a good album or a bad album, I simply had to hear more by this guy. And - despite the mauling which it gets from this list from time to time - I loved it. Sure, it was a little too lush, but it also had enough of *just the right* type of pop hooks and skewed lyrics to raise RH instantly into my musical pantheon. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:36:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On 8/1/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Rex says: > > > but I think I may have recorded over it with a dub from my own > > cassette of "Fegmania!" to create a handy Robyn twofer for my Walkman. > > unless it was a new album, i gave some consideration about what went > on the b-side of a cassette. new albums i just usually taped to have > it to listen to in the car and left the b-side blank until i got tired > of the album. otherwise, it was generally the same artist (a twofer, > then.) Necessary also for-- you knew this was coming-- alphabetical cassette filing by artist for the albums i liked obsessively, eventually i just started > putting the album on both sides of the cassette, just to eliminate the > doldrums of rewinding (or maybe it just speaks to my enduring love for > symmetry.) I would do that if the artist only had one album (or I only had access to one album). In the waning years of cassettedom I would cram a whole lotta b-sides on there-- sometimes that'd fill the whole thing up. I still have most if not all of my mix tapes from 1995 or so through maybe 1999, a period when I had a cassette deck only in my car and was accruing a lot of new (and old) music, making mix-tape samplers of my acquisitions along the way. In that way certain songs became like "singles" to me and only me. I know you can use the ratings systems in iTunes to do similar things, but for whatever reason, doing so doesn't interest me as much as distilling the best bits from an actual physical pile of CD's too new to have been permanently filed, - -Rex > > best driving tape: > "the modern lovers" backed with (you guessed it) "the modern lovers." Perhaps just plain "best tape"? Evar? Certainly a Top 10 album for me in any format. Also one of the first CD's I ever owned because (yup) it wasn't issued on cassette. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:41:26 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 On 8/1/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > One day, at > the public library, of all places, I saw a CD of "Perspex Island", > which had a review pinned to the outside with the headline "New album > by ex-Soft Boy". I didn't care whether it was a good album or a bad > album, I simply had to hear more by this guy. And - despite the > mauling which it gets from this list from time to time - I loved it. > Sure, it was a little too lush, but it also had enough of *just the > right* type of pop hooks and skewed lyrics to raise RH instantly into > my musical pantheon. I still like it; it beats QE for me, even production-wise.. I always thought dense jangle was a better fit for RH thank, say, the chamber-pop on "Devil's Coachman". Plus, I mean... come on... "Lysander"! "Lysander", for chrissakes! And the resultant tour was brilliant. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:31:05 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Twin Cities fegs? I don't know if anyone here lives in Minneapolis or St. Paul - but if there are any, or if any of you know anyone there, I hope they were all well clear of the freeway bridge that collapsed a couple of hours ago. So far there are six confirmed deaths and a couple dozen critically injured. My sister and brother-in-law, who live in Mpls, were both home at the time. She had the day off today - good thing, since she works only about half a mile from the bridge. Looking at a map it's about 50-50 whether she'd normally take that route or not. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:48:06 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 >I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. Way back in my days in a band in the late 1980s, our bass player played me Underwater Moonlight and I was hooked (though at the time I didn't know it). Time went by and the bass player moved to Australia and - backwater that this is/was - I didn't see any other Robyn records, but the songs from UM kept on haunting my mind. One day, at the public library, of all places, I saw a CD of "Perspex Island", which had a review pinned to the outside with the headline "New album by ex-Soft Boy". I didn't care whether it was a good album or a bad album, I simply had to hear more by this guy. And - despite the mauling which it gets from this list from time to time - I loved it. Sure, it was a little too lush, but it also had enough of *just the right* type of pop hooks and skewed lyrics to raise RH instantly into my musical pantheon. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 Lauren wrote: > > 1. i was telling my girlfriend that i was watching buffy and she > mentioned that the guy who plays angel is the son of dave roberts. > problem. for those of you not in the tri-state area, dave roberts has > been "action news" weatherman for ...ever. there's nothing particular > wrong with him, especially as far as weatherman go, but, still, he's a > _weatherman_ : he walks along city line avenue with his big stupid > umbrella, warning of us of coming rain horrors. Perhaps the dorkiness of Boreanaz's celebrity parentage can be outweighed by Juliet Landau's kickass celebrity parentage (Martin Landau and Barbara Bain!). > there's no darkness in willow Hee. Hahaha. HAHAHAH! Thanks Lauren, that was refreshing! Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:22:13 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Twin Cities fegs? Live footage of the bridge collapse: http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/archives/2007/08/live_footage_of.phtml It's security camera footage. Sumi On 8/1/07, 2fs wrote: > I don't know if anyone here lives in Minneapolis or St. Paul - but if there > are any, or if any of you know anyone there, I hope they were all well clear > of the freeway bridge that collapsed a couple of hours ago. So far there are > six confirmed deaths and a couple dozen critically injured. > > My sister and brother-in-law, who live in Mpls, were both home at the time. > She had the day off today - good thing, since she works only about half a > mile from the bridge. Looking at a map it's about 50-50 whether she'd > normally take that route or not. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:11:19 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 > > there's no darkness in willow > > Hee. Hahaha. HAHAHAH! Thanks Lauren, that was refreshing! Shoulda put a spoiler alert over that... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Robyn in Popmatters Reviews of the Noble Rot reissues. http://www.popmatters.com/pm/features/article/46464/robyn-hitchcock-storefront-hitchcock-jewels-for-sophia/ "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:26:02 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 > Juliet Landau's kickass celebrity parentage (Martin Landau and Barbara Bain!) Huh, guess I never knew that...though I sure loved me some "Space 1999" as a younger lad. Didn't they divorce at some point? Michael "but Blake's 7 was better" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap Irish folk singer Tommy Makem, 74. http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/02/obit.makem.ap/index.html - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:52:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: reap - -----Original Message----- >From: Christopher Gross >Sent: Aug 2, 2007 12:31 PM >To: Squidmaniax! >Subject: reap > >Irish folk singer Tommy Makem, 74. > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/02/obit.makem.ap/index.html Speaking of REAP for the Irish...uh, I mean the British: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: JBJ Subject: Re: Robyn in Popmatters Written by none other than Michael Keefe, a former member of the PFC (Portland Feg Contingent) and this very list! =jbj= On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Reviews of the Noble Rot reissues. > > http://www.popmatters.com/pm/features/article/46464/robyn-hitchcock-storefront-hitchcock-jewels-for-sophia/ > > > "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters > > . > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:12:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn in Popmatters On Aug 2, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Reviews of the Noble Rot reissues. > > http://www.popmatters.com/pm/features/article/46464/robyn-hitchcock- > storefront-hitchcock-jewels-for-sophia/ By Michael Keefe. The same (ex?)list member Michael Keefe I presume? And why haven't I seen the video for Viva Seatac before? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:22:22 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Robyn in Popmatters JBJ says: > Written by none other than Michael Keefe, a former member of the PFC > (Portland Feg Contingent) and this very list! isn't fegdom kind of like being in the marines? as in "once a..." although i can't speak for whether portland is so. as ever, lauren p.s. yes it's a big day...i'm thinking of changing my sign-off to my "person/people i actually know" sign-off. stay tuned. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:23:26 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Robyn in Popmatters tc says: >And why haven't I seen the video for Viva Seatac before? peter buck told us not to say anything about it. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:18:59 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: This really is gorgeous ... http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/08/365-days-214---.html The DeZurik sisters certainly had mad yodelling/bird impersonation skillz. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:16:39 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: This is gorgeous ... - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:41:30 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: postman (u.s.) for a day hi fegs, i'm sending out some CDs in a square (about 6" x 6") bubble-wrap envelope. has anyone sorted out the new "we dare you to figure it out" postal rates for sending e.g. sending DVDs or CDs? these used to go under the first-class rate but now the "letter" rate is more restricted re: the size of the package. does anyone know if a bubble-wrap envelope (fairly consistently flat, but not "letter"-flat) gets classified under "large envelope" or under "package"? i would have guessed "large envelope" (4oz = $1.31) only i've recently received some dvds that were sent with "package" (4oz = 1.64) postage (it's possible the post office is still figuring said puzzle...) http://postcalc.usps.gov/ oh, craigie* - i know you're dying in on this one, but alas, your answer will be disqualified as you may be a double agent. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:48:51 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: maybe i laughed... (100% buffy-related) at the part when giles said: "oz [or whoever he said it to], you go get the buffy rat." or at the part: xandar: "there's a locker monster!" giles (excitedly): "the lochness monster?!" but just a little bit. and _maybe_ angel is getting kind of sexy now that he's evil (does that make me a bad person?) but no i'm not hooked or at least don't tell that damn ex- of mine who would _never_ let me live it down. i had so much fun making fun of the stupid life-sized cardboard cutout buffy in the corner of his office, and i wish to continue. as ever, lauren p.s. azureus "ETA=1d 15h"???? like i have all day to wait around for season 3. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:20:38 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: reap Well, they don't makem like they used to. On 8/2/07, Christopher Gross wrote: > Irish folk singer Tommy Makem, 74. > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/02/obit.makem.ap/index.html > > > --Chris > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. > chrisg@gwu.edu > - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:56:39 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: postman (u.s.) for a day On 8/2/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > hi fegs, > > i'm sending out some CDs in a square (about 6" x 6") bubble-wrap envelope. > > has anyone sorted out the new "we dare you to figure it out" postal > rates for sending e.g. sending DVDs or CDs? these used to go under > the first-class rate but now the "letter" rate is more restricted re: > the size of the package. does anyone know if a bubble-wrap envelope > (fairly consistently flat, but not "letter"-flat) gets classified > under "large envelope" or under "package"? I believe the criterion relevant here is that a "package" is more than 3/4" thick. So a CD or DVD should not be a package but merely a "large envelope." And if you're mailing out a bunch of them, know that for anything more than 13 oz, you now have to go to the post office to mail it: you can't just drop it in a mailbox or leave it for a carrier to pick up. Cuz, you know, it might be a bomb. The easiest thing, probably, is just to go the post office and use one of those automatic machines they have. That way you neither have to guess at the weight nor wait in line (unless there's a line for the machines, of course). Also, rates are multiplied by the square root of the package's corner-to-corner dimension on alternate Tuesdays, unless such Tuesday follows a Monday whose date is a prime number, in which case you must multiply by the cube root. The most fucked-up thing about all this is the way the rates don't align: there's a whole series of items that go up by 17-cent increments...one penny apart. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:51:47 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: postman (u.s.) for a day 2fs says: > And if you're mailing out a bunch of them, know that for anything more than > 13 oz, you now have to go to the post office to mail it: you can't just drop > it in a mailbox or leave it for a carrier to pick up. Cuz, you know, it > might be a bomb. i guess the bombmakers are getting craftier. just last year, bombs weighed 16oz or more. > The most fucked-up thing about all this is the way the rates don't align: there's a whole series of items that go up by 17-cent increments...one penny apart. i'm a bit confused...do you mean that the "large envelope" rates vs. the "package" or is this within one rate schedule? or do i have to wait until the date is an _odd_ prime to be asking this question? much thanks for the information. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #280 ********************************