From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 1 2007 Volume 16 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [Capuchin ] Your 2nd RH record? ["Bri N" ] Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [] Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [kevin ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [JBJ ] Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Rex ] Re: reap [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [2fs ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) [] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: reap [kevin ] and in today's marine news... ["Michael Wells" ] Re: and in today's marine news... [kevin ] Re: Your 2nd RH record? [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > (1) buffy herself is interested in shopping, boys, and manicures and all > things shallow, teenaged girl (thus tying into a lot of my own personal > female issues) And yet she must come to terms with her new awareness of deeper truths and try to reconcile her desire to be like everyone else with the fact that it's all very pointless and unsatisfying when you've seen what is really at stake in the world (no pun intended). Ignorance is bliss, knowledge is real. Buffy is torn from bliss by fate and while bliss is seductive in its facility, reality is more satisfying in its substantiality. > (2) the characters (so far) are rather cookie-cutter in a strange sort > of way; even their flaws seem a bit cookie-cutter. they definitely seem > to come out of a comic-book world. They don't come OUT of a comic-book world, they live IN a comic-book world. Rather, their world is one of heightened reality. If you are a high school gril and drink at a frat party, you will be fed to the giant penis in the basement. The guy you gave your virginity literally became a soulless monster the next day. The characters resemble that reality. Also, have you MET high school kids? They aspire to comic-book depth. They get better as they age. Ultimately, though, Buffy is about that reality/ignorance dichotomy and how one cannot go back to a life of superficial consumerism after being exposed to the underlying power dynamic that feeds on public ignorance and, in turn, feeds the machine of oppression. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Sumiko Keay wrote: > Season 3 is possibly the best one. Season 5 is so clearly the best one, I don't even know what to argue. And once you get over the somewhat awkward way they had to start Season 6 (and ignore Smashed, Wrecked, and Gone for the most part), that thing is a motherfucking Double-Meat Palace of pain. It is the suffering of early 20s disillusionment and loss writ large. Fucking awesome. Season 3 is the best if you are extremely nostalgic for high school, I suppose. But I feel the show had to get past the limitting central metaphor (high school is hell) in order to explore its themes fully. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:55:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #277 >> p.p.s. so when one might fall for buffy would be in the space between >> "surprise" and "innocence"? so it would seem. > >"Between Surprise And Innocence" - have we started on fake album >names now that fake band names are passe? Me & some of the boys were trying to organize a group around feedback, tape loops & percussion back in the 80s that we planned to call Bad Science. We picked out "Strangeness And Charm" as the ideal album title, but after somebody pointed out that this virtually the same as something Hawkwind had already done (and not that well) things degenerated into a lot of bickering and name-calling and that was pretty much that... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:22:32 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Your 2nd RH record? I've been listening to the Sgt Peppers Robyn show and really enjoying certain moments. Mostly Strawberry Fields and Kim singing When I'm 64. This experience somehow led me to pull fegmania off my cd rack and listen to it in the car this morning. My Wife And My Dead Wife came on and I almost skipped it cuz I've heard it so very many times, but decided to listen to it. It reminded me of the 1st time I heard that song, which was on Gotta Let This Hen Out- the 2nd Robyn Hitchcock record I ever bought. What a great find that was for me back in 1988 (I think). It provided kind of a road map to what I was about to discover in the next obsessive collecting months to come! Everytime I would borrow Black Snake Diamond Role from the library or come across Fegmania in the used record store I would hear a track and think: Oh, that's that song from the live album! What fun it was to discover all this great studio work from my new favorite artist. I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:00:37 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) 2fs says: > On 7/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > > > n buffy, there's two things going on (for me) beyond the > > general "flawed character": (1) buffy herself is interested in > > shopping, boys, and manicures and all things shallow, teenaged girl > > (thus tying into a lot of my own personal female issues), > > But as you see, these are teenage-girl things - she is, after all, a > teenager. The shopping and manicure etc. things barely come up later (except > in sort of ironic humor situations), and as for "boys" - well, that becomes > its own main story thread. But then, "boys" is less specifically teenage > isn't it. i know they're teenage-girl things, but i have a problem with teenage-girl things. i think jeme's comments are on target - buffy is fairly shallow, at least right now (note to sumi: just finishing watching season 2, episode 18, "killed by death.") if i'm being honest here, part of it is just an innate resentment of females like buffy. she's a lot of exactly what i was taught not to aspire to. this is after all, the rather english and repressed northeast, and i was a fairly serious teenager. i don't much take credit for it, or only when my humility is weak. in my family, you got rewarded for being smart or sitting up late with dad, half seeped in scotch, reading you the "perky" parts from "the sound and the fury" or "the brothers karamazov." i read someone said of kennedy's assassination: "there's no point in being irish if you don't think the world is eventually going to break your heart." (or something like that.) i think i believed that at a young age, and whether my disdain for the shallow teenage is born a bit of pride or a bit of resentment and jealously, or just the whole damn lot, i can't say. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Bri N wrote: > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. My second (first was Jewels for Sophia) was Uncorrected Personality Traits. Why? I found it in my desk at my summer temp job at Amazon--the previous occupant had left it behind. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:34:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) On 7/31/07, Capuchin wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Sumiko Keay wrote: > > Season 3 is possibly the best one. > > Season 5 is so clearly the best one, I don't even know what to argue. Don't know about "so clearly," but I think I'm inclined to agree here. And once you get over the somewhat awkward way they had to start Season 6 > (and ignore Smashed, Wrecked, and Gone for the most part), that thing is a > motherfucking Double-Meat Palace of pain. It is the suffering of early > 20s disillusionment and loss writ large. Fucking awesome. It's hell to watch - but yes: it's possibly the most emotionally intense season, in a way that's earned. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:49:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) On 7/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > if i'm being honest here, part of it is just an innate resentment of > females like buffy. Which "like"? Cute, blonde, perky, shallow, popular? Or...kicked out of school unjustly for burning it down (vampire-related, natch), rejected as odd by everyone but the school's nerds, bearing (literal) responsibility for the fate of the earth? See, that's the thing: Buffy as *archetype* is exactly the thing you hate - but for the early seasons at least, the question is: what happens if we take away everything from a young girl like that and instead drop her with a thud into a life where her actions have overwhelming meaning? As an aside: Buffy may be the titular character, and the "engine" of a lot of the events - but to me, she's nowhere near the most interesting character. Even in her "own" character arc (briefly described above), the progression of Cordelia from SuperBitch in the early seasons to...how she turns out in _Angel_, eventually...is a far more in-depth and motivated treatment of a similar idea. One of Whedon's Big Ideas is loss, really: what happens when everything you've taken for granted is taken from you? And: responsibility - what do you *do* in that situation? What have you earned, that's yours? (I'm not as inclined as Cap to read the show politically but, as when that issue came up a year or so, it's an entirely plausible reading - one which, fwiw, I think Whedon would endorse, at least generally. He's certainly on record as stating that he very overtly wanted to create a feminist heroine, anyway.) One reason I like Whedon so much is that he's able to work these incommodious, stuffy, large ideas into plots that are limber and dialogue that often as not is drop-dead hilarious. That's a neat trick, and one of my favorite ones. (I sometimes wonder at Whedon's perversity: specifically, giving the series the title it has - which gives people who haven't seen it the impression that it's, well, one of those rilly stupid movies that nowadays would have its title printed in that large red font that Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey moves all seem to use. ) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:52:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? >> I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. Fegmania! 'Cause the 1st one I heard was Gotta Let This Hen Out! and I was permanently impressed by that one, and Fegmania! was the next one I saw, so it was pretty much inevitable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: JBJ Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Bri N wrote: > >> I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. My 2nd Robyn Hitchcock album was Eye. On July 15, 1990, based on a fantastic listening experience with the album Queen Elvis, I attended a Robyn Hitchcock solo gig at the Bar And Grill in Salt Lake City, Utah with some friends. I didn't really "get" Robyn, and I left the show early, but when I found a used copy of Eye at the local rekkid store, I snatched it up. It's still one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard - truly life-altering. I've often wondered what that gig would've been like if I'd purchased Eye before, instead of after. I probably would've creeped out Robyn more than I already did (we chatted Robyn up at the merch table during the opening act, and when he left to go get ready for his set, we tried to copy Robyn's address off the luggage tag of a suitcase that was sitting there in the back. Cynthia noticed us doing so, and said (I'm paraphrasing here) "You won't have much luck sending him anything to that address. Here, let me give you a better one." In hindsight, I've no fucking clue why we wanted Robyn's address. I did use the Cynthia-given address to mail Robyn a wedding invitation. I did not, however, get a reply from him. :) =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:19:27 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) On 7/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > if i'm being honest here, part of it is just an innate resentment of > females like buffy. she's a lot of exactly what i was taught not to > aspire to. Yeah, the cheerleader stumbling block. Really the thing that dampens my enthusiasm for digging into the show. As I didn't like high school, I don't feel much like spending more time there, and certainly not hanging out with the "popular kids". (I know all the counterarguments, and they're there in the feg archives, but still, it's just my gut reaction, tracing back to the originial billboards for the original Buffy movie). i read someone said of kennedy's assassination: "there's no point in > being irish if you don't think the world is eventually going to break > your heart." (or something like that.) i think i believed that at a > young age, and whether my disdain for the shallow teenage is born a > bit of pride or a bit of resentment and jealously, or just the whole > damn lot, i can't say. It doesn't sound like you're being snotty about it or anything, if that's your concern. For me, it's not like the crappy aftertaste of my adolescent years bugs me on a daily basis, but at the same time, it's probably precisely because I don't think about it or have to deal with it on a day to day basis that, when it does come up, I tend to be especially averse to spending much time contemplating it. Most people my age have John Hughes films memorized; I could live happily without ever seeing one again. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:33:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On 7/31/07, Bri N wrote: > > > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. Erm... this suprises me a good deal, but... I don't know! That largely has to do with living in a town with no good record stores anywhere remotely close by. I know my first was GOF, purchased in Baltimore (although I surmise that I could've found it in one or the other record stores at the Country Club Mall, an hour or so away from home in Cumberland, MD). But the second... I have a feeling that it may have been either GD or IH on vinyl, picked up used on vinyl during a school trip to Virginia Beach, but I don't know how long it might've taken me to record those to cassette, which was the only way I listened to music at the time. It's possible that I picked up a cassette of the relatively-easily-obtained Fegmania! before that, though. And I know I had IODOT by the Christmas after I discoverd RH... that I remember as a real eye-opener, for sure. There were quite a few back catalog albums that I wouldn't hear for a few years after that-- BSDR was probably the last one I actually heard, discounting all of the ones that hadn't come out yet. And I didn't hear UM until the CD reissue (did have Can of Bees on vinyl, though). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:45:17 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: reap >Phil "one man and his dog" Drabble, 93. > >(yes, the BBC had a popular show about ... competitive sheep herding. I >know it's mandatory in James's country to have at least 25% of televised >content to be ovine, but this was on prime time.) Hrmph. FWIW (very little) TVNZ did also used to have a version of "One man and his dog", but I don't think it's been shown for about five years. Other than that, ovine related programmes are few and far between. They're sometimes covered (rarely) on "Country calendar", a weekly farming/agri/horticulture related show (yes, prime time) which usually covers the more obscure farming varieties in NZ (eveything from alpaca herds to lemon orchards), and once a year we get the final of the Young Farmer of the Year contest televised live (I kid you not). FWIW. On the subject of reap, though, I'm seriously sad about Antonioni. I've only recently been dipping my toe into Italian art films for the first time, and am thoroughly enjoying it. So - with him and Bergman both gone, who's going to be the third? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:11:17 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On 7/31/07, Bri N wrote: > > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. Second? Hard to say. I know the first was _Fegmania_ - roughly a year or so after it came out. My friends Ron and Lorin (or Lori - varied with the prevailing wind) had a copy. My guess is I might have gone backwards to IODOT, or bought the next one when it came out...which would be, uh (realizes he forgets the chronology) - - Christ would that be GOF already? If it's GLTHO, that waited a few years because I shy away from live recordings generally. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:57:25 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? Bri N wrote: > > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. I think it was Respect, as I knew I was going to see Robyn later that year (1994, I think) and I needed to hear what he was playing. I was not disappointed. (My first album was Element of Light. I bought it because I remembered that mad Hitchcock bloke off The Flat Earth, and also from my brother's worn-out vinyl copy of A Can of Bees. Oh, and that it was only five quid at Fopp.) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:08:12 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: The Buffy Verse (was Re: a thread for eddie, Re: the sound of thud) Rex says: > It doesn't sound like you're being snotty about it or anything, if that's > your concern. actually, no, we all have our character flaws. one of mine is that i'm kind of a snob. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? Bri N wrote: > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. I think it was either Element of Light or Gotta Let This Hen Out!, but am not sure and it could easily be something else. I'm certain it's because whatever it was, it was at the Rasputin or Amoeba when I was pawing through the used bins. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:33:33 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? Bri N says: > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. i don't exactly remember. first i got "element of light" for contributing to wxpn (yuk, but this was before they went yuk.) i only picked it because they gave me a choice of five albums and "element of light" was the only one i hadn't heard of the album or the band - the other four i had heard of (and knew i had a better chance with the unknown quantity.) i imagine i got "globe of frogs" and "queen elvis." those, in combination of seeing the band, and renting and re-renting and finally ordering a copy of "gotta let this hen out" video tape kept me going, but i have to confess that none of this quite mattered until i got a copy of "eye" and saw him solo on that tour (at the tla in philadelphia - looks like october 1990.) so i guess "eye" is the answer, although it's not quite the truth. but it's not exactly not the truth either... xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:47:23 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? - -- Rex is rumored to have mumbled on 31. Juli 2007 17:33:09 -0700 regarding Re: Your 2nd RH record?: > On 7/31/07, Bri N wrote: >> >> >> I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. > > > Erm... this suprises me a good deal, but... I don't know! The same with me. Of course I know the *first* one - Gotta Let This Hen Out! That was based on a recommendation of Peter Buck who called it "the best live record ever" or something like that. The second one could've been Fegmania! or Element Of Light. I really don't remember. It's been 20 years or so, after all. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:43:36 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bri N" > I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. > > -Nuppy It was the Midnight Music cd edition of Gotta Let This Hen Out! in 1986, the year after I bought Fegmania!. Since I loved Fegmania and Hen so much, I quicky scooped up a Glass Fish cd of Invisible Hitchcock right after gettting Hen. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:45:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On Aug 1, 2007, at 3:43 AM, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Bri N" > >> I was just wondering what your 2nd RH album was and why. >> >> -Nuppy > It was the Midnight Music cd edition of Gotta Let This Hen Out! in > 1986, the year after I bought Fegmania!. Since I loved Fegmania and > Hen so much, I quicky scooped up a Glass Fish cd of Invisible > Hitchcock right after gettting Hen. I have all the Glass Fish CD's as well, after going on a spree at the Nashua, N.H. Lechmere (how I miss Lechmere...). But my first RH purchases were vinyl. After reading the combined fegMania! and GLTHO review in Rolling Stone I ordered the only RH my trusty mail order shop had: Black Snake Diamond Role. After that it must have been fegMania! And now with the new reissues coming out am I going to have to push those original CD's even further back in the pile? I'm such a packrat when it come to RH stuff. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:01:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: reap >On the subject of reap, though, I'm seriously sad about Antonioni. >I've only recently been dipping my toe into Italian art films for the >first time, and am thoroughly enjoying it. So - with him and Bergman >both gone, who's going to be the third? If you count Altman, that makes three right there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:32:49 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: and in today's marine news... Headline: "Scientists create 12-headed jellyfish" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20074726/from/RS.3/ Seems like the kind of thing better left alone, y'know? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: and in today's marine news... >Subject: and in today's marine news... > >Headline: "Scientists create 12-headed jellyfish" >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20074726/from/RS.3/ > >Seems like the kind of thing better left alone, y'know? This is how a lot of really bad movies start... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:18:18 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Your 2nd RH record? On 7/31/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > > Erm... this suprises me a good deal, but... I don't know! > > The same with me. Of course I know the *first* one - Gotta Let This Hen > Out! Y'know, now that I think about it, my second RH record just might've been the Mutant Version of Element of Light. I'm quite sure that I once told this story to the list, but it was probably a decade ago, so here goes. When I was maybe 17 or so, my friend's sister's boyfriend was one of the first people I knew to make the leap to CD's, and in the process he decided to sell all his old cassettes, including, sort of oddly but sort of not since I totally bought a bunch of these from him, cassette *dubs*, some from vinyl and some from other cassettes. Anyhow, I ponied up for a bunch of these, mostly because they were kind of hard to find locally in any form, and then I made custom covers for them for whatever reason, using PrestoMagix rub-on letters for the spines and little pictures cut out of like Rolling Stone or whatever for the covers, because my social life was really awesome, I guess. I got a few Morrissey records, some Bauhaus, maybe some Jesus & Mary Chain or something, and, purportedly, "Element of Light" copied from vinyl. But what I actually got, and believed to be the whole and proper album for several years, was something that started with "The President" and ended with "Never Stop Bleeding" in a version that got to the end of the song and then, as the last guitar note was decaying, cut off rather abruptly (which I thought at the time was a sort of artsy creative choice), and did *not* contain either "Ted Woody and Junior" or "Raymond Chandler Evening". There might have been something else missing... not sure. There were no obvious edits or pauses, but I don;t think the song sequence tallied in any way with the real album sequence (it didn't seem to be Side B and then Side A or whatever). I even remember seeing the "RCE" video on MTV and thinking rather smugly that the intro/outro text was incorrect in claiming that the song was on EOL. So, don't know how the hell that happened, but it did. I forget what was on the other side of the cassette; it may have been the first Morrissey solo album, but I think I may have recorded over it with a dub from my own cassette of "Fegmania!" to create a handy Robyn twofer for my Walkman. I'm pretty sure those tapes were discarded shortly after I acquired CD's of each of them (if I bothered to)... it would be kind of cool to see them again, if only to admire/stare in horror at my youthful industriousness/loserdom. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #279 ********************************