From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #250 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 29 2007 Volume 16 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I'd sit inside a bottle and pretend I was in a can [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] RE: music in odd places ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: a fashionable reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) [gaseous clay ] Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: neighbors [Tom Clark ] Re: neighbors [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: neighbors ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: neighbors [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] okay, one more veils post, then i'll shut up my mouthhole about them (at least for a day or two) ["Stacked ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [Tom Clark ] Re: okay, one more veils post, then i'll shut up my mouthhole about them (at least for a day or two) [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 [gaseous clay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:55:49 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: I'd sit inside a bottle and pretend I was in a can Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > > > On 6/27/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> Most recent purchases: Love - Da Capo, and Prefab Sprout - Swoon. > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:16:27 -0700 > From: Rex > Subject: Re: music in odd places > Was just talking about DA CAPO with my bassist last night... there's not a > reissue, is there? Side 1 is one of the greatest collections of songs > evar. And Side 2 is... erm... attached to it! > - -Rex > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:51:24 +0100 > From: craigie* > Subject: Re: music in odd places > Da Capo *did* get the 'extras included' - from Amazon: Remastered and > expanded edition of Love's second album, originally released in 1967. > Incorporating new remastered stereo and mono mixes of all album tracks > including the 18 minuteepic 'Revelation' which took up the whole of the > second side of the original LP as well as a previously unreleased tracking > session for the single 'Seven And Seven Is'. > For 'Tracking Session', read 'Backing Track' - it's great BTW as you can add > your own vocal (if you're that way inclined...) > The recent 'Love Story' film was also excellent, once again, I urge you to > see it if you can... (I won't spoil the ending for you by telling you that > she goes back to college and then dies... wait.. wrong 'Love Story') > c* * I do think that 'da Capo' is _better_ than the more-widely-acclaimed 'Forever Changes'. Mainly because the songs are more accessible and the instrumentation is more interesting, specially the flute and harpsichord (whatever happened to Tjay Cantrelli?). And, as Rex notes, it has a second side which you can forget about altogether! - - Mike 'ooh bip bip ooh bip bip yeah' Godwin n.p. The Castle / Stephanie Knows Who / Orange Skies / 7 and 7 is... PS Thanks for the Floyd, c*! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:11:53 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: music in odd places - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:16 PM To: Bachman, Michael Cc: Jason Brown; fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: music in odd places On 6/27/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> Most recent purchases: Love - Da Capo, and Prefab Sprout - Swoon. Rex came back with: >Was just talking about DA CAPO with my bassist last night... there's not a reissue, is there? >Side 1 is one of the greatest collections of songs evar. And Side 2 is... erm... attached to it! Not that I am aware of. I got the version made in Holland with a mono mix on tracks 1-7, a stereo mix on 8-14 and a bonus track Seven & Seven Is on track 15. MJB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:47:37 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: a fashionable reap shit, i guess i have to be both the local TOOL and the local veils outcast. oh, well. both great in their own way, in my opinion. the live act is much *louder*, that's for sure. oh, no doubt about that -- but i think they pull it off. <...To further confuse / alienate any remaining readers, I will explain the Infield Fly Rule (in which the batter is called atomatically out and runners may advance at their risk) in my next e-mail...> i went to a game with the chef last month (i had promised to never set foot in the new stadium, unless they tore down all the advertising, and let the public select the name -- but, c'mon, it was *the chef*); and there was an instance with runners on first and second when the batter hit a short (as in, above the fielders' heads, but not by much) pop-up to second. infield fly was not called, so it seemed to me that if the fielder'd had his wits about him, he could've knocked the ball down and had a double-play. hmm, now that i think about it, i guess that if you take your eye off the ball looking to see if the ump's calling infield fly or not, you could end up not even getting the one out... for what it's worth, bill james studied the issue in the late-'80s, and concluded that there was actually greater strategic variation in the american league. national league managers almost always bunted, or pinch-hit for the pitcher, or pulled the double-switch in certain situations; so it may as well have been a robot managing the game. i remember being shocked by that; but he had the data to back up his assertion. i read an argument, once upon a time, that if you're going to let somebody hit for the pitcher, why not let the center-fielder ride a horse? i *still* think that'd be cool to see! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:36:02 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: a fashionable reap - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Stacked Crooked Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:48 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: a fashionable reap shit, i guess i have to be both the local TOOL and the local veils outcast. oh, well. both great in their own way, in my opinion. the live act is much *louder*, that's for sure. oh, no doubt about that -- but i think they pull it off. <...To further confuse / alienate any remaining readers, I will explain the Infield Fly Rule (in which the batter is called atomatically out and runners may advance at their risk) in my next e-mail...> i went to a game with the chef last month (i had promised to never set foot in the new stadium, unless they tore down all the advertising, and let the public select the name -- but, c'mon, it was *the chef*); and there was an instance with runners on first and second when the batter hit a short (as in, above the fielders' heads, but not by much) pop-up to second. infield fly was not called, so it seemed to me that if the fielder'd had his wits about him, he could've knocked the ball down and had a double-play. hmm, now that i think about it, i guess that if you take your eye off the ball looking to see if the ump's calling infield fly or not, you could end up not even getting the one out... < Eddie: >for what it's worth, bill james studied the issue in the late-'80s, and concluded that there was actually greater strategic variation in the american league. national league managers almost always bunted, or pinch-hit for the pitcher, or pulled the double-switch in certain situations; so it may as well have been a robot managing the game. i remember being shocked by that; but he had the data to back up his assertion. I might have that, as I used to get his annual Baseball Abstracts and have his Historical one as well in a hardback edition. The Historical edition was published in 1987, and I would love to see an update on it as 20 years have passed, another generation of players have come and gone and I would love to get his take on the steroid issue. I always respected his opinions on baseball, because he backed them up with his saber math formulas. Of particular interest to me would be an analysis of two late 70's to early 90's shortstops: the overrated Ozzie Smith who was dazzling in the field, but a mediocre hitter at best, and Alan Trammell who was a much better hitter than Smith, and only slightly less of a shortstop in the field. Smith gets elected to the Hall Of Fame in his first year of eligibility, and Trammell is still waiting and might never get in unless the Veterans Committee votes him in. Trammell was also robbed of a deserved 1987 MVP in the American League. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:26:00 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/28/apple-employees-to-get-iphones/ Fuck You Tom Clark, FUCK YOU! ; ) - -Steve, who'll be waiting in line tomorrow afternoon... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:41:11 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/28/apple-employees-to-get-iphones/ Steve got a standing ovation after announcing this at the comm meeting. People speculated about it for months, but I don't think anybody realistically expected it. > > Fuck You Tom Clark, FUCK YOU! ; ) > > -Steve, who'll be waiting in line tomorrow afternoon... Yeah, but I have to wait until late July for mine! - -tc, who was planning on a quiet day at home today, but instead is forced to listen to his bonehead neighbor dig up his backyard with a Bobcat. BEEP BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:44:56 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: >-tc, who was planning on a quiet day at home today, but instead is >forced to listen to his bonehead neighbor dig up his backyard with a >Bobcat. BEEP BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER! sounds like you need to crank up the gallows... http://www2.kerrang.com/2007/06/gallows_become_the_worlds_loud.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:50:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) - -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Clark >-tc, who was planning on a quiet day at home today, but instead is >forced to listen to his bonehead neighbor dig up his backyard with a >Bobcat. BEEP BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER! First, only my neighbor to the left had a power washer. Then, the neighbor across the street got one. Now the only other house across the street and the new neighbors to the right have power washers, which they use liberally. The other day my neighbor to the left started up a leaf blower... Be Seeing you, - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:52:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: iMoan4iPhone (Tom Clark Edition) On 6/28/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > > http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/28/apple-employees-to-get-iphones/ > > > > Fuck You Tom Clark, FUCK YOU! ; ) > > > > -Steve, who'll be waiting in line tomorrow afternoon... > > Yeah, but I have to wait until late July for mine! Or, you could wait in line to buy one anyway, wait until they're sold out (temporarily), then sell the one you bought for twice what you paid for it...around the time you'll get your free one. Like there aren't going to be lots of Mac employees who'll buy one anyway just because they can't wait... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:19:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: neighbors On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Clark >> -tc, who was planning on a quiet day at home today, but instead is >> forced to listen to his bonehead neighbor dig up his backyard with a >> Bobcat. BEEP BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER! > > First, only my neighbor to the left had a power washer. Then, the > neighbor across the street got one. Now the only other house across > the street and the new neighbors to the right have power washers, > which they use liberally. > > The other day my neighbor to the left started up a leaf blower... My condolences, Carrie. Granted we've had a fair amount of work done on our place over the years, including ripping up the entire front and back yards. But at least we always employed someone and had the project planned out. This guy owns the house but rents it to his 80 year-old sister, and every now and then comes by to start some new half-assed project he'll never complete. I'm still looking at the unfinished patch job he started on the roof two years ago. Ugh. Speaking of power tools, a few years ago Jeme spoke of the idea of a neighborhood sharing resources like lawn mowers, power washers, etc. I've tried to get this going on my block but every time I bring it up my neighbors look at me bewildered, like I'm some kind of hippie or something. I'm gonna bring it up again at the 4th of July block party, but I don't know how far I'll get. deep breaths, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:56:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: neighbors - -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Clark >Speaking of power tools, a few years ago Jeme spoke of the idea of a >neighborhood sharing resources like lawn mowers, power washers, etc. >I've tried to get this going on my block but every time I bring it up >my neighbors look at me bewildered, like I'm some kind of hippie or >something. I'm gonna bring it up again at the 4th of July block >party, but I don't know how far I'll get. I know on our little block of 5 houss share a well. There is plenty of water and it's cheap, for now, but still, this power washer mania eludes me! It would seem that people who live in California would know by now that water is precious. I like the tool sharing idea! A common tool shed for the neighborhood and a check out list! When I owned a house I had to buy tools that I would rather have bought in common (like a postholer to build a fence). The car share thing is taking off - why not tool share? Be interrested to hearing how your neighbors respond Tom. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:01:15 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: neighbors re: tc and carrie speaking of neighbors: fear of neighbors is one of a couple of things that keep me from considering buying a house. i'm fortunate where i am right now. there are two low-key, very nice women in the other half of the twin. i lived in an apartment building for a long time above a very controlling woman on the agrarian clock who constantly gave me tips on e.g. vacuuming (do this before 8 pm), hobbies (reading is for old people), weight (gain some), and fashion (short skirts would get me that husband sooner) (i'm sure she has many more opinions should any of you be in need of one.) not to mention the shut-in who lived next door to me for a year and called the cops on me for playing belle & sebastian at 11am on a sunday morning (you probably didn't know that b&s are in competition with gallows) and tried to get the washing machine hours restricted from 9am to 9pm (because of the racket.) (needless to say, the building had enough visits from Our Finest that the owners didn't renew her lease.) my sister and her husband own a house out in a fairly rural area. her immediate neighbors have a sort of frightening firearm / IQ ratio. she deals with it pretty well but also she and her husband are careful in picking their battles. she tells me stories, and my crappy neighbors in that apartment building really don't seem that bad. and maybe i should buy a bottle of wine for the girls next door. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:40:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: neighbors - -----Original Message----- >From: Lauren Elizabeth > >my sister and her husband own a house out in a fairly rural area. her >immediate neighbors have a sort of frightening firearm / IQ ratio. *sigh* I live with my sister, in her house in the country, VERY rural, middle of the vineyards and all that. Last year the house to the right was sold to what seemed like a nice young family. It turned out they never spent a night in the house! They bought it for a pot farm. The young woman came only to steal pot, they'd have huge fights in the street about it the next day, then the fella dissappeared near harvestime, never to be seen again. After the curing (which made the entire neighborhood smell like skunk for at least a month and we lived in fear of raids - and not from the cops) someone came with huge suitcases and then, boom, the house sat empty. A couple of months later we heard it was on the market. Our new neighbors are a nice, hard-working multi-generational family who have recently discovered a love of power washers. Really, it's harmless in comparison. Wasteful, but harmless. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:01:04 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 >James wrote: > > >>>>Cubs sweep Sox! Woo-hoo!! > > > >>>And Mets sweep A's! > > > >>And Tigers sweep Braves! > > > >And ABs thump Boks! > > > >(I'm hoping that this thread is something to do with sport, otherwise that > >last comment is a non-sequitur, so youll only be able to prune non-roses > >with it) > >You got it, James! They were all American Baseball references to teams >winning all 3 games("sweeping") in a 3-game series...the teams, as follows: >The Chicago Cubs beat the Chicago White Sox (which delighted me), the New >York Mets beat the Oakland Athletics (A's) (which cheered Tom Clark and >chapped Jeff Dwarf), and Detroit Tigers beat Atlanta Braves (which was >celebrated by Michael Bachman). The Sox and Mets were a big clue (and also made me think baseball, but I'm glad that's confirmed), and I've heard of the Cubs and Braves (though not the Tigers or the A's). As to my comment, NZ's national rugby team, the All Blacks, beat their closest traditional rivals, South Africa (a.k.a. The Springboks) 26-21 in Durban, SA. This weekend, they take on their other traditional foe, Australia (a.k.a. The Wallabies). The biggest part of the build-up for this year's World Cup in France... > ...To further confuse / alienate any remaining readers, I will explain the > Infield Fly Rule (in which the batter is called atomatically out and > runners > may advance at their risk) in my next e-mail... You do and I'll explain the new "crouch, touch, pause, engage" rule to the scrum, and the problems it's caused. James (okay, that's a bluff - I don't think *anyone* understands that rule) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:10:06 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: okay, one more veils post, then i'll shut up my mouthhole about them (at least for a day or two) download their black sessions mp3s at . free, and so very, very tasty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:21:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 On 6/28/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > You do and I'll explain the new "crouch, touch, pause, engage" rule > to the scrum, and the problems it's caused. What I really need to know is how, the "Washington Redskins" notwithstanding, a sports club can possibly be called the "All Blacks". 'Cuz... well, anyway. - -Rex "and the all-white jury agreeeeeeeeeeed!" Broome np. by magic random iPower: Robyn's "Desolation Row". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:02 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:01 PM, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > You do and I'll explain the new "crouch, touch, pause, engage" rule > to the scrum, and the problems it's caused. My wife was one of the founders of the women's rugby program at Grinnell College. Her explanation: "How the fuck do I know? I guess it goes something like - your team's 1/2 of the scrum crouches down together, then your team and the other team's scrum comes together, you pause to get set up kind of and then the ball is rolled in and you engage in the scrum activity" And that's why I love her. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:59:55 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: okay, one more veils post, then i'll shut up my mouthhole about them (at least for a day or two) On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > download their black sessions mp3s at . > free, and so very, very tasty. Hey - not bad, despite the Feargal nature of the vox. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:20:59 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 >On 6/28/07, >grutness@slingshot.co.nz ><grutness@slingshot.co.nz > wrote: > > >You do and I'll explain the new "crouch, touch, pause, engage" rule >to the scrum, and the problems it's caused. > > >What I really need to know is how, the "Washington Redskins" >notwithstanding, a sports club can possibly be called the "All >Blacks". 'Cuz... well, anyway. > >-Rex "and the all-white jury agreeeeeeeeeeed!" Broome ya really want to know? In rugby, the team is divided into two groups - the forards, who form the scrum and are usually picked on their upper body strength rather than their agility, and the backs, who do the fast running. Understandably, most of the tries (=touchdowns) are scored by the backs. Way back in the early days of international rugby, New Zealand toured Great Britain and surprised the home eam - all 15 of the team could run fast, and tries were coming from just about any player. This led one leading journalist to write that "the New Zealand team played as if they were all backs". Unfortunately, a typo crept into the sentence. Given that the team was playing in a strip of black with white trim, the name "the all blacks" stuck. Both the name and the black unoform (now with no white trim) are still in use. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:16:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 On 6/28/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > "How the fuck do I know? I guess it goes something like - your > team's 1/2 of the scrum crouches down together, then your team and > the other team's scrum comes together, you pause to get set up kind > of and then the ball is rolled in and you engage in the scrum activity" Enough of that smutty talk! (Send pictures instead.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:00:35 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #247 POST OF THE MONTH! one time at band camp, grutness@slingshot.co.nz (grutness@slingshot.co.nz) said: >In rugby, the team is divided into two groups - the forards, who form >the scrum and are usually picked on their upper body strength rather >than their agility, and the backs, who do the fast running. >Understandably, most of the tries (=touchdowns) are scored by the >backs. > >Way back in the early days of international rugby, New Zealand toured >Great Britain and surprised the home eam - all 15 of the team could >run fast, and tries were coming from just about any player. This led >one leading journalist to write that "the New Zealand team played as >if they were all backs". Unfortunately, a typo crept into the >sentence. Given that the team was playing in a strip of black with >white trim, the name "the all blacks" stuck. Both the name and the >black unoform (now with no white trim) are still in use. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #250 ********************************