From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #242 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 19 2007 Volume 16 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: in (original) buffy news today ... ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: in (original) buffy news today ... [Rex ] Conversations with the Chef ["Stacked Crooked" ] Random Neurons Firing [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Random Neurons Firing [Rex ] Re: Random Neurons Firing [2fs ] Re: Catching Up ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) ["m swedene" ] Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Catching Up [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) [2fs ] RE: Catching Up (to iPhone) ["Brian Huddell" ] LOLCHILTON!!1111 [Rex ] Re: Andy and cricket [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: LOLCHILTON!!1111 [2fs ] Re: LOLCHILTON!!1111 [FSThomas ] Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) [Steve Schiavo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:32:44 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: in (original) buffy news today ... Rex wrote: >On 6/17/07, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> >>People magazine is reporting that Kristy Swanson, a 37-year-old actress >>and former Playboy model, was arrested by police in Kingston after >>Marcia O'Brien the ex-wife of former pairs figure skating world >>champion filed a complaint against her." > >Huh. Didn't she just play a thinly-veiled version of Anna Nicole Smith on >one of those "procedural" shows? That was the first I'd heard of her in a >long time... she'd just had a kid, I think. Or am I confused as usual? Not sure about the kid thing, but she _was_ on "Law & Order" as the faux-Anna Nicole -- practically unrecognizable, too... Michael Sweeney ...And, since I've never even seen a second of it, this would be my first "Buffy"-related post... _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:35:52 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: chimps in the news Michael Wells wrote: > > In semi-related news, the Creation Museum is offering annual passes: > http://www.creationmuseum.org/hours-rates/annual-pass Get real worried if they offer a discount for the year ... Jesus Loves the Little Dinosaur: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:37:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: in (original) buffy news today ... On 6/18/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > >Huh. Didn't she just play a thinly-veiled version of Anna Nicole Smith > on > >one of those "procedural" shows? That was the first I'd heard of her in > a > >long time... she'd just had a kid, I think. Or am I confused as usual? > > Not sure about the kid thing, but she _was_ on "Law & Order" as the > faux-Anna Nicole -- practically unrecognizable, too... That was her, then... she had just had a kid and didn't want to take any work until she lost the weight, but took this role because it was "in character" to be all zaftig... Yeah, I dunno why I read this stuff, either. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:18:40 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Conversations with the Chef THE CHEF: Son of a bitch is going to the NBA! ME: Yeah. THE CHEF: Hawes? ME: Yeah...I thought he declared a couple months ago? THE CHEF: He didn't declare, he was just testing the waters; but fuckin' Chicago Bulls told him they want to pick him at fuckin' number nine. ME: Ah. THE CHEF: He would've waited a few more years, the money would still be there. If I see him, I want to kick his ass so bad. ME: [Chuckling.] THE CHEF: I'll pull my dick out and beat him with it! ME: [Laughing.] [...] THE CHEF: We were so busy yesterday, my ass was kicked. Fuckin' I'm still tired. I got this Vietnamese guy, I told him bring me some swiss cheese, and he brought back margarine. I said, "What the fuck is this?!" ME: [Laughing.] THE CHEF: Everybody was listening. I told him six times, bring me swiss cheese. Even Brett told him he's fuckin' stupid. He said, "I need about a thousand fries. Put two baskets down." But then you get burger, burger -- and no fries to be seen. ME: [Laughing.] well, if you were to ask roger waters or jello biafra, they'd probably say that the lawyers decide. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:28:48 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Random Neurons Firing I have a new name for my next band, thanks to Adam Engst. His analysis of Flickr vs. Twitter (+ -vision) in today's TidBITS is not to be missed, so I'm posting it for your edification: Visions of the Sublime and the Inane - ------------------------------------ by Adam C. Engst article link: Thanks to the Internet, it's becoming possible not just to communicate with people around the world but to see what they're thinking, or at least what they choose to share with the world. Flickr has long enabled people to share their photos either with small groups of friends and family or with any other Flickr user, and while there's a wide range of pictures on Flickr, it seems that most people practice some level of selection and filtering, choosing only the best or most interesting. While I can't pretend that I have much time to spend on Flickr, when I'm directed there for one reason or another, I'm often impressed by the photos I see. There's something both specific and universal about them, even when you don't know the places or people pictured. In contrast with Flickr is the latest hot service for mobile navel-gazers: Twitter. Twitter defines itself well as "A global community of friends and strangers answering one simple question: 'What are you doing?'" You've heard of solutions looking for a problem? Twitter is thousands of answers looking for a question that no one cares about. For instance, did you need to know that as I wrote this, laurennmcc is off to the dogpark? Or that thatguynamedtom has to go to class but would rather sleep in all day? Oh, the drama of it all! What's ironic is that what Twitter users are doing is wasting time informing the world of just how mundane most of our lives really are. There are a few interesting uses, such as comedian Steven Wright's one-liners, a timer service that reminds you of events via Twitter, and someone who is twittering the first lines of books. And of course, in a very small circle of Twitter-using friends, there could be the occasional bit of status information that would be actually useful. Why would I be comparing Flickr and Twitter? Because of a pair of new services from David Troy: Flickrvision and Twittervision. Both services display a world map, scrolling around in it to display either a photo recently posted on Flickr or a message recently posted to Twitter. I watched one service, then the other, for a few minutes. I was first mesmerized by the photos flickering by in Flickrvision, providing a pictorial glimpse into the lives of total strangers across the world. It was a bit like flipping through the participatory 24/7 photo books created by Rick Smolan and David Elliot Cohen - I didn't know any of these people, nor did I recognize any of the places pictured, but that was as much the charm of it as anything else. I could build stories in my head around the people in those pictures, and I could imagine staring out at the landscapes shown. By providing a geographic context for these random photos, I was able both to learn more about another part of the world and to add my own take on each photo in some small way, giving it yet another level of meaning, at least for me. Want to see Flickrvision without browsing to it directly? Download Chris Bailey's Visionary screen saver. The dialog balloon messages in Twittervision, using exactly the same map interface, gave me an entirely different feeling. I watched it with horrified fascination, trying to figure out from each message why the person had chosen to share that particular thought, or just who might actually care one whit to read the message. Occasionally I could divine some utility to a message, but most seemed purely to be the result of random neurons firing. And worse, while I particularly enjoyed seeing photos from other parts of the world via Flickrvision, Twittervision made me realize that random neural firings from other countries are, not surprisingly, in other languages - making them even more nonsensical. Amazingly, I once saw a message from someone with whom I've exchanged email in the past, saying that he was taking the bus home, apparently in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Alas, I don't know him nearly well enough to care. The human brain is in constant activity, and we all have innumerable thoughts throughout the day. One aspect of growing up is learning just which of those thoughts is worth sharing with the people around you, and in what fashion. Flickr, particularly given life via Flickrvision, shows how the interpretation of thoughts and experiences via still photos can prove sublime. Twitter, especially when laid bare via Twittervision, makes clear just how important it is for us to filter our internal thoughts to avoid polluting the infosphere with them. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:57:08 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Random Neurons Firing On 6/19/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > I have a new name for my next band, thanks to Adam Engst. RNF... sounds like a division of the British armed forces! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:41:28 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Random Neurons Firing On 6/19/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > > Visions of the Sublime and the Inane > ------------------------------------ > by Adam C. Engst > article link: > > > > In contrast with Flickr is the latest hot service for mobile > navel-gazers: Twitter. Twitter defines itself well as "A global > community of friends and strangers answering one simple question: > 'What are you doing?'" I heard about this (actually, via the David Troy thing linked below), and thought it was so incredibly inane that I signed up just so I could post the following: I just typed the following characters on my keyboard: IJUSTTYPEDTHEFOLLOWINGCHARACTERSONMYKEYBOARD: I then risked exploding my skull from inanity by notifying the world of this fact via my own blog, and commenting on that fact. What am I doing now? Worrying this idiocy still further, apparently. > > > > I was first mesmerized by the photos flickering by in Flickrvision, > providing a pictorial glimpse into the lives of total strangers > across the world. It was a bit like flipping through the > participatory 24/7 photo books created by Rick Smolan and David > Elliot Cohen - I didn't know any of these people, nor did I > recognize any of the places pictured, but that was as much the charm > of it as anything else. I could build stories in my head around the > people in those pictures, and I could imagine staring out at the > landscapes shown. By providing a geographic context for these random > photos, I was able both to learn more about another part of the > world and to add my own take on each photo in some small way, giving > it yet another level of meaning, at least for me. Want to see > Flickrvision without browsing to it directly? Download Chris > Bailey's Visionary screen saver. > > > > < > http://codeintensity.blogspot.com/2007/05/twittervisionflickrvision-screen-saver.html > > Flickrvision, on the other hand, is as cool as the writer says it is. There's content, and the addition of minimal additional context (geography) is enough to make that content a bit more intriguing. The visual display, which glides you over the surface of the map depending on the location of the next image in sequence, is itself rather mesmerizing. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:49:14 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Catching Up though i wish i did not, i say: > Steve Talkowski says: > > Now, I didn't specify WHICH threads I found mindless, did i? ;) > > > This was posted on Costello-L and is hilarious: > > > > http://granades.com/2007/05/02/loltrek/ > > since i posted that tribbles link on feglist within the last week, i'm > able to deduce at least one author of so-called "mindless thread"s. > > x "they don't call it modes ponens for nothing" o i owe an apology to steve for that response. i believe some posts aren't making it through to the list and my loltrek post was one of them. i have it listed as "sent mail", but it's not in the archives. and for the record, i don't give a frack if people delete my posts. just don't say so onlist ;) so again, my apologies for jumping to conclusions. i'm an ass. although in my favour, at least i'm not that really annoying kind who will never admit it. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:39:34 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) On Jun 16, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > Thirteen daze left and then I can get back to my normal life, > provided, of course, I don't have to wait in line all night on the > 29th. So how early do you have to line up in NYC to get an iPhone? At least the nice new AT&T store here is willing to let people know on the day of the 29th how many they will have to sell when they reopen at 6pm. - - Steve _______________ Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:46:14 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) which store are you hitting Steve? I am still up in the air... i feel i should wait for V2.0. Mike On 6/19/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > > Thirteen daze left and then I can get back to my normal life, > > provided, of course, I don't have to wait in line all night on the > > 29th. > > So how early do you have to line up in NYC to get an iPhone? > > At least the nice new AT&T store here is willing to let people know > on the day of the 29th how many they will have to sell when they > reopen at 6pm. > > > - Steve > _______________ > Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by > nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:57:22 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) On Jun 19, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > So how early do you have to line up in NYC to get an iPhone? I dunno, it's gonna be a nightmare I'm sure now that we know us workin' folk won't be camping out first thing in the morning... > At least the nice new AT&T store here is willing to let people know > on the day of the 29th how many they will have to sell when they > reopen at 6pm. Really? I hope that's universal. I'm still debating on whether camping out after work with the Apple faithful (the 5th Ave store has always been 24/7), hit one of the three AT&T stores within a 5-block radius, or, wait a few days to see first impressions and maybe get an employee discount from an Apple buddy. Aw hell, who am I kidding - i'm not heading home until I've got one in my hands! ;) - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:02:33 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Catching Up No apology required - I wasn't offended Lauren. But i appreciate the sentiment! To be honest, my feg mail had backed up to around 400 posts (i'm not kidding!) because i was too busy the prior week to give a thorough read thru to it all - and I normally try to read most of the threads when they're interesting enough. Essentially, i started prepping for the iPhone - whittling down all my eMail, organizing contacts, etc. and ended up blowing away what I felt were superfluous (to me) threads, that's all. - -Steve On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > though i wish i did not, i say: >> Steve Talkowski says: >> > Now, I didn't specify WHICH threads I found mindless, did i? ;) >> >> > This was posted on Costello-L and is hilarious: >> > >> > http://granades.com/2007/05/02/loltrek/ >> >> since i posted that tribbles link on feglist within the last week, >> i'm >> able to deduce at least one author of so-called "mindless thread"s. >> >> x "they don't call it modes ponens for nothing" o > > i owe an apology to steve for that response. > > i believe some posts aren't making it through to the list and my > loltrek post was one of them. i have it listed as "sent mail", but > it's not in the archives. > > and for the record, i don't give a frack if people delete my posts. > just don't say so onlist ;) > > so again, my apologies for jumping to conclusions. i'm an ass. > although in my favour, at least i'm not that really annoying kind who > will never admit it. > > xo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:05:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) On 6/19/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > On Jun 16, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > > Thirteen daze left and then I can get back to my normal life, > > provided, of course, I don't have to wait in line all night on the > > 29th. > > So how early do you have to line up in NYC to get an iPhone? I totally don't get this: why wait in line? Why not just wait a few months until the damned things are everywhere? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:43:51 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Catching Up (to iPhone) > I totally don't get this: why wait in line? Why not just wait a few > months until the damned things are everywhere? Because by then everyone will know that they explode, which makes it less fun. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:10:27 -0700 From: Rex Subject: LOLCHILTON!!1111 So while of course I knew that they were September "gurls", and I am well aware of what's going "ahn", I'd never noticed until last night when trying to clean up some errant iTunes data that the song I've long thought was called "Nighttime" is actually, on every release, called "Nightime". Making it slightly on topic, one such release, Chilton Live in London, has some Soft Boyees in it, stealin ur... something. Hmm, iPhones... well, I've now actually scraped the silvery paint-covering off my battered old cell-phone, so now it's got a scratchy bone-grey plastic surface rather than a pock-marked one. Why are plastic things ever painted silver anyway? It doesn't look like metal. At best it looks like some of the plastic toys you had when you were a kid that were supposed to look like metal. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:24:36 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Andy and cricket >Haven't been around these parts for a long while, but >I thought the following from the BBC's Test match >cricket blog thingy would interest a few people here  >combining, as it does, Andy Metcalfe news and obscure >cricketing lingo, shot through with an odd thread >about interpersonal relationships... Interesting! And yes, as pointed out, this is one of the things that makes Fegmaniax a fine list. As foir the match, a good win the England by seven wickets, with Monty's spin again proving decisive. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:06:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: LOLCHILTON!!1111 On 6/19/07, Rex wrote: > > Hmm, iPhones... well, I've now actually scraped the silvery paint-covering > off my battered old cell-phone, so now it's got a scratchy bone-grey > plastic > surface rather than a pock-marked one. Why are plastic things ever > painted > silver anyway? It doesn't look like metal. At best it looks like some of > the plastic toys you had when you were a kid that were supposed to look > like > metal. Tech regression: not only did I just ditch my cell phone entirely (never used the damn thing), I cancelled our cable TV subscription as well. Sorry: I still have broadband internet bwah-ha-ha-hah! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:10:40 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: LOLCHILTON!!1111 And here I thought it was LOLCLINTON!!111 and I would have to take aim at you. Chilton scores you a pass, you lucky, lucky man. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:34:26 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Catching Up (to iPhone) On Jun 19, 2007, at 3:05 PM, 2fs wrote: > I totally don't get this: why wait in line? Why not just wait a few > months > until the damned things are everywhere? That's it, Jeff doesn't get to know the secret handshake. - - Steve _______________ Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #242 ********************************