From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #238 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 15 2007 Volume 16 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Agh [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #236 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Agh [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Agh ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Agh [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Chicago Record Stores ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Catching Up ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Catching Up ["Michael Sweeney" ] New Pornos, or not [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Agh [2fs ] Re: Agh [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #236 [Rex ] Re: Catching Up [Rex ] Re: Agh [Rex ] Re: Agh [Rex ] Re: Chicago Record Stores ["David Stovall" ] Re: Agh [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: You must be at least this tall to ride "Eb" [craigie* ] Re: Stockholm [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] RE: Agh ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Agh [craigie* ] Re: You must be at least this tall to ride "Eb" [Rex ] Re: Agh [2fs ] Re: Agh [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:46:21 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Agh On 6/14/07, Rex wrote: > > > > On 6/14/07, 2fs wrote: > > > > On 6/14/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > > > The Clash -- "Cut the Crap" > > > > > > Does this even count as a real Clash album? > > > > No. > > > > Anymore than that Yule Brothers CD should count as a VU album. > > > But hey, those are the band names under which those respective records > were released, so, even though they've been pretty much disowned by the > artists and excluded from catalog reissues and retropectives, I don't know > what else you'd call them. > I think at one time I actually took the initiative (like Al Gore) to database that VU album (which I had on tape, from a friend's copy) under "Yule Brothers." Unless you're David Bowie and can buy back your catalog, reissuing the Tin > Machine Records as "David Bowie" albums that just happen to be called "Tin > Machine" and "Tin Machine II". > Actually I think that happens more often than you'd think, especially with early or one-off collaborations, that ultimately end up reissued under the "famous" artist's name, or at least sporting a "Featuring Mr. Superstar X!" sticker prominently. It's weird... some bands are allowed to almost entirely change their > lineups, including frontmen and songwriters, and still be considered the > same band, and others aren't. Who decides? > That's a good question. Of course, it's easier to answer when the album in question sucks enormously. Also easier if (like The Fall) there's only one constant member. (Although, given that by Smith's Law of The Fall, he and your granny on bongos is "The Fall," why is his collaboration with Mouse on Mars - under the name Von Sudenfed - not "The Fall"...other than that there's a bunch of other folks right now called "The Fall"?) Clearly, "key member" is a consideration: the singer, usually (see Van Halen for exception); the key songwriter, often (although I'm sure we can come up with exceptions), the lead guitarist, frequently (many exceptions), the bass player or drummer (except when that person is also singer or songwriter) almost never. Is The Who The Who? Had Led Zeppelin continued after Bonham's death, would that have been accepted? If Joy Division hadn't changed its name...? Then there are bands where, though not quite as revolving door as The Fall, personnel change seems to be expected periodically: the Rolling Stones, the Grateful Dead, the Kinks (although "The Kinks" without Ray Davies would seem inconceivable). I think the post-Lou VU is the most egregious example: departure of almost-exclusive songwriter and main vocalist. _Cut the Crap_ at least had Joe Strummer on it. (Although I haven't heard the album, I'm kinda surprised its reputation hasn't been refurbished, given that Joe Strummer is a saint now...) It's kind of a question in the air right now, as "Television" is about to > play its first ever show under that name without Richard Lloyd, which has a > lot of people rather pissed... but then, Fred Smith wasn't the band's first > bassist, if I and quite a few Voidoid fans will recall... > True - plus he wasn't a writer with them, was he? Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer and a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:05:27 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #236 > > oh, i also remember the store because i saw this album that was > > titled, i believe, "when men were men and sheep were scared" and to > > this day that phrase pops into my head probably once or twice a month. > > That's an old hillbilly / redneck / > whoever-you-want-to-accuse-of-bestiality joke. No surprise that aussies say that about kiwis and kiwis say that about aussies. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:12:12 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Agh >On 6/12/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > >what do you do when your favourite band releases a shitty album? It's a similar experience to hearing a songwriter fade from brilliant to meh - like those Colin Moulding songs on the otherwise better-than-expected Apple Venus. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:01:15 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Agh Jeff Dwarf wrote: >Michael Sweeney wrote: >>The Pretenders -- again, whatever it was that came out long after >>Jimmy and Pete were long dead and Martin got fired and Chrissie >>decided that rocky, yet hooky hit singles just did not matter >>anymore (must've been about 1988...maybe '89?...probably "Packed" >>from 1990...) > >Get Close, 1986. "Get Close"? "My Baby," "Don't Get Me Wrong," "Hymn To Her," "Room full Of Mirrors" No, I did not mean "Get Close" -- more like "Packed." Michael "I mean, 'My Baby' still tears me up when she sings 'why am I getting it wrong? / you write the beautiful songs...'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Agh On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, 2fs wrote: > I think the post-Lou VU is the most egregious example: departure of > almost-exclusive songwriter and main vocalist. _Cut the Crap_ at least had > Joe Strummer on it. (Although I haven't heard the album, I'm kinda surprised > its reputation hasn't been refurbished, given that Joe Strummer is a saint > now...) Probably because 1) It really does suck, pretty hard and 2) Strummer himself disowned it, I believe. Still can't believe they fired Mick Jones and thought that would be a good thing. > Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling > itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County > Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer and > a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. Creedence Clearwater Revisited, no? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:08:37 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Chicago Record Stores Rex wrote: > > A sad little portion of the brief "tour" of LA that I conducted for Stewart > involved record stores that ain't there no more, and one which, sort of > alarming, I don't know if it's still there or not. Yeah, I mean I expected far more from the home of MC Honky ... a them park, at least. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:17:24 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Catching Up Tom Clark wrote: >On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: >>(Shakes head slowly in abject pity of the abused, trod-upon figure of a >>man that is Tom Clark...) > >Yeah, I just want to go on record as saying I really like Peter Buck. I >realize it's all been a big 24 year misunderstanding and I'm sorry. He's >a great guy and I've just been making too much my own insecurities. "making too much out of" it? -- oh no, pal, you don't dismiss such a growing legend that easily. I mean, even people who don't post out here (or even READ the feglists) have heard of the Tom Clark / Peter Buck thang...so -- yer stuck with it...intertwined forever with a certain formerly-shaggy-haired gee-tarist (at least in SOME PEOPLES' minds...) Michael Sweeney ...and you "really like" him? OF COURSEyou do -- THAT's what makes the whole thing so Jack-Benny-slow-burn-ish funny! _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:33:43 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Catching Up Rex wrote: >Rex "Don't Worry Sweeney, Mommy's Looking for Her Parentheses in the Snow" >Broome ...Oh, you can TRY to sneak a semi-obscure Yoko reference past SOME people, but certainly not me (nor, I suppose, some others on this list)... Michael "Be Here Now" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:41:24 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: New Pornos, or not I ordered the "executive" edition from Waterloo. I'm sure it will be all over the internets as soon as someone streams it. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:49:12 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Agh On 6/14/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > >On 6/12/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > >what do you do when your favourite band releases a shitty album? > > It's a similar experience to hearing a songwriter fade from brilliant > to meh - like those Colin Moulding songs on the otherwise > better-than-expected Apple Venus. The ones on _Wasp Star_ are even worse. I'm surprised, though, that you describe AV as "better-than-expected" - maybe because demos were floating around beforehand such that I knew, months before it was coming out, that it would be an excellent record (one of my favorite XTC in fact). WS disappointed a bit - there were one or two songs demo'd (which eventually showed up somewhere amidst the mammoth Fuzzy Warbles set) that didn't make that album, and I would have dumped Colin's contributions (and maybe one of Andy's weaker ones) and put on one of those instead. Can't remember right now which songs I'm thinking of... James > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Agh Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > >Michael Sweeney wrote: > >>The Pretenders -- again, whatever it was that came out long after > >>Jimmy and Pete were long dead and Martin got fired and Chrissie > >>decided that rocky, yet hooky hit singles just did not matter > >>anymore (must've been about 1988...maybe '89?...probably "Packed" > >>from 1990...) > > > >Get Close, 1986. > > "Get Close"? "My Baby," "Don't Get Me Wrong," "Hymn To Her," "Room > full Of Mirrors" > > No, I did not mean "Get Close" -- more like "Packed." Of course, Chrissie didn't write two of those....that _was_ when she fired Martin and the rest of the album is pretty blah even if the singles off it were still pretty good, even if not quite the first 3 Pretenders albums. Wasn't Packed made more or less under protest after the record company rejected an album she made with what was essentially the Mind Bomb line-up of The The, minus Matt Johnson? Explains why she didn't give a crap about it. "Sense of Purpse" is still a pretty good song, even if the execution on Packed isn't there. > Michael "I mean, 'My Baby' still tears me up when she sings 'why am > I getting it wrong? / you write the beautiful songs...'" Sweeney "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:44:57 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #236 On 6/14/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > oh, i also remember the store because i saw this album that was > > > titled, i believe, "when men were men and sheep were scared" and to > > > this day that phrase pops into my head probably once or twice a > month. > > > > That's an old hillbilly / redneck / > > whoever-you-want-to-accuse-of-bestiality joke. > > No surprise that aussies say that about kiwis and kiwis say that about > aussies. Just so, and ever thus. In another bizarre instance of that-thing-other-than-synchronicity, it's the anniversary of the end of the Falklands War. Guess I'll put on some John Cale and try to figure out what was up with that. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:52:53 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Catching Up On 6/14/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > Rex wrote: > > >Rex "Don't Worry Sweeney, Mommy's Looking for Her Parentheses in the > Snow" > >Broome > > ...Oh, you can TRY to sneak a semi-obscure Yoko reference past SOME > people, > but certainly not me (nor, I suppose, some others on this list)... Hee. I also liked how "Sweeney" looked kind of like "sweety" (as in something you would call a child (as in the song) so it had a certain symmetry). In the early days of HBO, maybe around the time the move "Imagine" was released, they unearthed some live Lennon footage from around the Plastic Ono period and showed the whole thing... it was odd... Clapton was in the band, Lennon was in some kinda smock, Yoko sang for a good portion of the show (including "Hand" or "Snow", depending on how you feel about it at the moment) and also spent some of it in a bag. I think it was in Canada, maybe when Lennon was barred from the US. What? Am I still typing? Sorry. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:59:29 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Agh > > Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling > > itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County > > Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer and > > a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. > > Creedence Clearwater Revisited, no? Surely. But of course you're not supposed to notice that the name isn't *quite* right; a coworker of mine once told me out of the blue she'd just seem CCR the night before and they totally still had it. Nothing I said could dissuade her. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:06:16 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Agh On 6/14/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > >Michael Sweeney wrote: > >>The Pretenders -- again, whatever it was that came out long after > >>Jimmy and Pete were long dead and Martin got fired and Chrissie > >>decided that rocky, yet hooky hit singles just did not matter > >>anymore (must've been about 1988...maybe '89?...probably "Packed" > >>from 1990...) > > > >Get Close, 1986. > > "Get Close"? "My Baby," "Don't Get Me Wrong," "Hymn To Her," "Room full > Of > Mirrors" > > No, I did not mean "Get Close" -- more like "Packed." I had GET CLOSE on cassette, but I don't remember liking much beyond the (very good) songs cited above, all of which are kindly included on The Singles, which pretty much suffices for me beyond the first three records. Am I forgetting anything great? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:07:14 -0400 From: "David Stovall" Subject: Re: Chicago Record Stores > From: "Michael Sweeney" > Subject: Re: Chicago Record Stores ... > ...All fine enuf choices, but far too many of my old faves -- Wax Trax, > Round Records (upstairs, just north of the Loyola El stop!), Rose, the old > (pre-dance-heavy) Grammophone, one back in the So. suburbs (in Homewood; > might've been Strawberry's; more likely something with > Vintage/Vinyl/Records/Disks/Stash/Closet in the name) Record Swap? There was one of those in Champaign-Urbana, one in Homewood, and one in some other suburb - the Homewood one was one of the largest record stores I've been to, and when I used to make pilgrimages from west-central Indiana to the Chicago stores, that was my main stop, and the one I always knew would sap my resources the most. Got my promo-only Spectre (the Respect release with the talk snippets between tracks and the bonus tracks) there, and craploads of other gems. The one in Champoo-Banana was my mainstay in grad school. >-- have died and gone > to the still-fondly-recalled halcyon field of my cerebral cortex...so long > ago, so many changes. Sigh...real, but...doesn't mean I gotta like it... Damn - sad to hear it's (presumably) closed. The one in C-U was going downhill last time I visited there, and that's been years. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Agh On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, 2fs wrote: > On 6/14/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > >On 6/12/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > > > >what do you do when your favourite band releases a shitty album? > > > > It's a similar experience to hearing a songwriter fade from brilliant > > to meh - like those Colin Moulding songs on the otherwise > > better-than-expected Apple Venus. > > > The ones on _Wasp Star_ are even worse. > > I'm surprised, though, that you describe AV as "better-than-expected" - > maybe because demos were floating around beforehand such that I knew, months > before it was coming out, that it would be an excellent record (one of my > favorite XTC in fact). WS disappointed a bit - there were one or two songs > demo'd (which eventually showed up somewhere amidst the mammoth Fuzzy > Warbles set) that didn't make that album, and I would have dumped Colin's > contributions (and maybe one of Andy's weaker ones) and put on one of those > instead. Can't remember right now which songs I'm thinking of... "I Don't Want to Be Here" and "Where Did the Ordinary People Go" should have made the albums, for sure. (Just like "It Didn't Hurt a Bit" should have made "Nonsuch.") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:39:20 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: You must be at least this tall to ride "Eb" From ComputerHope.com: WOOT: Also known as *w00t, woot* is a common way to express happiness in games and chat based communications. FTW: Shorthand for *For The Win*, *FTW* is often using in gaming and gaming related definitions to indicate a user's win. The complete opposite to FTW would be *FTL*, which is short for *For The Loss.* c* What? Am I speaking Geek? In *here*? On 14/06/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:23 AM, 2fs wrote: > > > On 6/14/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> Raymond FTW,> > >> > >> still haven't figured out "FTW"; and, i've looked up "WOOT" *at > >> least* > >> three times -- now i've given up even trying to remember what it > >> stands > >> for. > > I don't think it "stands for" anything - it's an exclamation. If it > > stand > > for anything, it's in the mode of a "backronym": after-the-fact > > figurings-out of what it should stand for. > > > > Like "Extremely Bitchy," say. > > Jeff for the win! > > -tc, you're welcome > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:05:19 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Agh If you get the chance (and have two and a half hours to spare....) you all owe it to yourselves to see The Future Is Unwritten (the new Julien Temple film about Joe Strummer. It really is fantastic. And Bernie Rhodes doesn't contribute directly yet again. *He* was the reason Mick got fired and CTC is a POC. Bernie thought he *was* the Clash. Of course, when he fired Joe... well, time tells the wiser. Seriuosly, though, see this film. And Scott Walker - 30th Century Man while you're at it. I mean, not at the same *time* obviously... c* On 15/06/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, 2fs wrote: > > > I think the post-Lou VU is the most egregious example: departure of > > almost-exclusive songwriter and main vocalist. _Cut the Crap_ at least > had > > Joe Strummer on it. (Although I haven't heard the album, I'm kinda > surprised > > its reputation hasn't been refurbished, given that Joe Strummer is a > saint > > now...) > > Probably because 1) It really does suck, pretty hard and 2) Strummer > himself disowned it, I believe. > > Still can't believe they fired Mick Jones and thought that would be a good > thing. > > > Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling > > itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County > > Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer and > > a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. > > Creedence Clearwater Revisited, no? > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:36:04 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Stockholm From the Stockholm set posted by Jonathan: 16. 40,000 headmen (After some conversation, with audience and with Scott, about God being everywhere, and everywhere thus being God, and that this thing-that-is-everywhere might just as well be called "traffic", though not Steve Winwood's Traffic, Robyn suddenly starts playing this old Traffic song. At first it seems he's planning to play just the first verse, but then he continues and the rest of the band follows, playing the entire song. Wonderful!) 17. A man's gotta know his limitations, Briggs Encore: RH solo: 18. Raining twilight coast Enter band: 19. City of shame (audience request) 20. Adventure rocket ship 21.Kingdom of love * Great stuff! I get the impression that Traffic are generally remembered with more affection by American musicians than they are by UK ones. The last band I saw doing a Traffic cover were the Black Crowes, who sang Dave Mason's 'Feeling Alright'. I too have never heard 'Raining twilight coast' live. - - Mike 'at least he didn't sing Trams of Old London' Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:26:01 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Agh - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:21 PM To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: Agh kevin says: >> alternatively: >> >> "We are the dead" (Bowie) >> "We are the village green preservation society" (Kinks) "We are normal >> and we want our freedom" (Bonzo Dog Band and/or Arthur Lee) >> >> etc., etc. Our Lauren came back with: >"we are the 801" - brian eno "We are the Rank, We are the Rank, We are the Rank and File and there's no denial". (Rank and File) MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:32:09 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Agh Hey Hey, We're The Monkees? although that was actually called The Monkees Theme.... hmmm .... the Clash Theme, the 801 Theme etc... c* On 15/06/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:21 PM > To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! > Subject: Re: Agh > > kevin says: > >> alternatively: > >> > >> "We are the dead" (Bowie) > >> "We are the village green preservation society" (Kinks) "We are > normal > >> and we want our freedom" (Bonzo Dog Band and/or Arthur Lee) > >> > >> etc., etc. > > Our Lauren came back with: > >"we are the 801" - brian eno > > "We are the Rank, We are the Rank, We are the Rank and File and there's > no denial". (Rank and File) > > MJ Bachman > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:34:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: You must be at least this tall to ride "Eb" On 6/15/07, craigie* wrote: > > From ComputerHope.com: > > WOOT: Also known as *w00t, woot* is a common way to express happiness in > games and chat based communications. > > FTW: Shorthand for > *For > The Win*, *FTW* is often using in gaming and gaming related definitions to > indicate a user's win. The complete opposite to FTW would be *FTL*, which > is > short for *For The Loss.* "FTW" was translated by my mind into some opposite of "WTF"... probably "fuck the world". Shows where my mind is, I guess. One convention that amuses me is the use of "win" and "fail" as substances-- "it was made of fail and lulz" or "this (meme) was recognized as being full of win". The fact that "win" and "fail" have more exact opposites than each other? Bonus. - -Rex c* > > What? Am I speaking Geek? In *here*? > > > > On 14/06/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:23 AM, 2fs wrote: > > > > > On 6/14/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Raymond FTW,> > > >> > > >> still haven't figured out "FTW"; and, i've looked up "WOOT" *at > > >> least* > > >> three times -- now i've given up even trying to remember what it > > >> stands > > >> for. > > > I don't think it "stands for" anything - it's an exclamation. If it > > > stand > > > for anything, it's in the mode of a "backronym": after-the-fact > > > figurings-out of what it should stand for. > > > > > > Like "Extremely Bitchy," say. > > > > Jeff for the win! > > > > -tc, you're welcome > > > > > > -- > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:35:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Agh >> > Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling >> > itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County >> > Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer and>> > a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. >> >> Creedence Clearwater Revisited, no? Fun factoid there is that they originally, if you can call it that, had Elliott Easton from the Cars on guitar before he moved on, or in some direction, to the New Cars with Todd Rundgren. Let's see somebody do a set diagram of that phenomenological nightmare... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:36:54 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Agh On 6/15/07, kevin wrote: > > >> > Coincidentally, I just noticed in the paper that something calling > >> > itself "Creedence Clearwater Revival" is playing at the Podunk County > >> > Fair or something. Features, like, the original bassist and drummer > and>> > a buncha other guys. That's a pretty clear negative example. > >> > >> Creedence Clearwater Revisited, no? I would have called them "Creedence Clearwater Revival Revival" myself. But then, I would. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:05:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Agh On 6/14/07, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > But hey, those are the band names under which those respective records > > were released, so, even though they've been pretty much disowned by the > > artists and excluded from catalog reissues and retropectives, I don't know > > what else you'd call them > > > For some reason, that reminded me of a thought I'd had after rambling around Wikipedia for a while: What would you call the band whose members are Sean Lennon, James McCartney, Dhani Harrison, and Zak Starkey? The amusing thing is, even if those folks (sub in Julian if you like) got together and genuinely wanted to form a band, I doubt they'd do it...just because the pressures would be too intense. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #238 ********************************