From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #234 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 12 2007 Volume 16 : Number 234 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Chicago Pizza [2fs ] Eb and the Damage Done ["Stacked Crooked" ] fine midwestern cuisine ["natalie jacobs" ] Re: same thing but chicago [Dolph Chaney ] Gnat, I think you are wrong [Jill Brand ] RE: same thing but chicago ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: The Field Museum [2and2makes5@comcast.net] Re: divers alarums [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] RE: same thing but chicago [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] RE: same thing but chicago ["michael wells" ] RE: same thing but chicago ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: same thing but chicago ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: same thing but chicago ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: same thing but chicago [Dolph Chaney ] RE: Robyn in Utrecht ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Chicago Pizza [Sebastian Hagedorn ] RE: Robyn in Utrecht ["Brian Huddell" ] Dallas gives a beautiful light + Chicago pizza coda ["Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Chicago Pizza On 6/11/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 6/11/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > > > > > > Milwaukee = German food and some great freshwater fish restaurants. > > > > A better answer would be: "fish fries, and custard." We're mad about fish > fries: every Friday, places are crammed to the gills (hurr hurr) with people > awaiting their slabs of fried fish, typically "all you can eat." > > We have a handful of custard places, to the near-exclusion of ice cream > places: for whatever reason, that's what people here prefer over ice cream. OH hell: here's a list of area restaurants (not complete) - you have to go pretty far down to run into "German"... < http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/dining/results.asp> - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:15:58 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Eb and the Damage Done heartily second this recommendation! not only will it play anything you can throw at it on disc, it also comes equipped with a USB jack and a card-reader. *and* oppo's customer service seems to be the tops: i the support desk to ask about a feature that i was looking for, and almost before i hit "send", received a reply saying it's planned for the next firmware upgrade! notice to anylabel wants me to spend twenny bucks on a new release: is the way to entice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:25:56 -0500 From: "natalie jacobs" Subject: fine midwestern cuisine > A better answer would be: "fish fries, and custard." We're mad about fish > fries: every Friday, places are crammed to the gills (hurr hurr) with > people > awaiting their slabs of fried fish, typically "all you can eat." My dad is from the Milwaukee area (specifically, the gloriously-named town of Oconomowoc), and speaks highly of the local pecan pie. The trick to good pecan pie, it seems, is to use dark corn syrup instead of light. He also disputes Wisconsin's reputation for good cheese - apparently most of the local cheese factories have been bought out by Kraft. n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:31:01 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: same thing but chicago I'll chime in to give dining recommendations, as Chicago is my favorite place to eat and drink in the world. PIZZA: I echo Viv's pizza recommendation of Lou Malnati's -- to me, this is the ultimate Chicago deep-dish pie. There's even a suburban-hell location or two. 1-800-LOU-TO-GO www.loumalnatis.com/ HOT DOGS: If at all possible, get thee to Hot Doug's for the ideal in both traditional Chicago dogs and exotic sausage (last week, the special was alligator, which YUM.). Only open Mon-Sat 10:30-4 is the trouble. 3324 N California Ave, Chicago, IL 60618 www.hotdougs.com/ STEAK: I love Chicago Chop House and Gibson's (the latter more for the ambience and service). Haven't been to Morton's yet, which is apparently the very best by many accounts. INDIAN: - -- Go to Devon Avenue on the north side, between Western and Kedzie. Any restaurant you choose will be fantastic and authentic. I recommend Tiffin for high-end and Sher-A-Punjab for a more laid-back feel. VEG: - -- Earwax Cafe in Wicker Park (1561 N Milwaukee, ) -- near the Double Door and Reckless Records which have been mentioned previously as well as the great Myopic Books BOOZE: - -- Hopleaf (200 beers, half of them Belgian. also, dangerously close to my apartment.) - -- The Map Room - -- Goose Island (multiple brewpub locations and ubiquitous elsewhere in the city) - -- Delilah's (2771 N Lincoln Ave -- no food here, but fantastic beer and whiskey selection in an awesomely grotty punk dive) - -- The Duke of Perth (2913 N. Clark -- all you can eat fish 'n' chips Wednesdays / Fridays) - -- The Silver Cloud (comfort food and good drink, also in Wicker Park) Enjoy! Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Gnat, I think you are wrong Natalie wrote: "I was on the Decemberists message board for a while, but got tired of high school students squeeing about how much they adore Sufjan Stevens. With a few exceptions (hi, Jill!), I don't think anyone there has ever heard any music made before 1995." I don't think most of them are high school students. I think they are middle school students. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:06:50 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: same thing but chicago Dolph wrote: > STEAK: I love Chicago Chop House and Gibson's (the latter more for the > ambience and service). Haven't been to Morton's yet, which is > apparently > the very best by many accounts. Morton's absolutely blows compared to the Chop House. Almost everyone I know who has ever gone to one has had a reason to send their meal back at least once. Very overpriced, and they have a tendency to either serve you a blue steak or a burnt steak. Unless you like well done or very rare, don't bother. Go to Ruth's Chris instead, or a local fave like the Chop House. I would say, however, that one would be remiss if one failed to mention that it is best to avoid confusing the Chicago Chop House with the Kinzie Chop House. The latter really isn't anything to write home about, although it's not terrible by any means. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:16:14 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Re: The Field Museum The predictable snide response to Jill's claim is this: http://crazytalk.typepad.com/bluegrassroots/2007/06/fun_at_the_crea.html -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jill Brand > The Field Museum is one of the coolest places I've ever been. > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:31:48 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: divers alarums >oh, one last re: lake wobegon: i'm not positive this is the case, but >i've always assumed it's a fictional lake as it's pronounced as "woe" >"be" "gone." indeed it is - see - ---- >Sounds:Gabrielle Drake >Nick Drakes sister, Gabrielle, writes a letter to the decesed icon, >exclusively for the Times Gabrielle is also known to many as one of the Moonbase officers in the ancient TV series "UFO". - ---- > > > >>> Another awful name I missed: System of a Down. What is that - the >> > >>> topology of a hill in southern England? >> > >> > But they do stand a good chance in an ugliest band ever contest. >> >> >> Nah - I think the Decemberists have that one sewn up...maybe not "ugly" >> per >> se, but quite a homely collection of characters (counterargument >> arriving in >> three...two...one...) > >Four words: KISS without the makeup. You can replace the word KISS with the word Lordi, too. One of the few bands whose appearance would be improved by the addition of Feargal Sharkey. - ---- >A better answer would be: "fish fries, and custard." Hopefully not together, or are you pregnant? - ---- > > But what about Easterhouse or Portishead? > >There's a band called Easterhouse? If it were true to its location, it >would be the most depressing band ever. 80s Janglepop, and lefty lyrics. The sort of stuff which might appeal to Fegs, in fact. I've heard a "Chameleons meet New Model Army" comment about them before now. - ---- > > PS- Preparing to RIP - one of Alice's cats. Looks like Jim's kidneys >> have given out :(( > >Very sorry to hear it. But Jim is a good name for a cat. even if, confusingly, she's a girl. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:38:13 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: RE: same thing but chicago - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Marc Alberts" > Dolph wrote: > > STEAK: I love Chicago Chop House and Gibson's (the latter more for the > > ambience and service). Haven't been to Morton's yet, which is > > apparently > > the very best by many accounts. > > Morton's absolutely blows compared to the Chop House. Almost everyone I > know who has ever gone to one has had a reason to send their meal back at > least once. Very overpriced, and they have a tendency to either serve you a > blue steak or a burnt steak. Unless you like well done or very rare, don't > bother. Go to Ruth's Chris instead, or a local fave like the Chop House. > > I would say, however, that one would be remiss if one failed to mention that > it is best to avoid confusing the Chicago Chop House with the Kinzie Chop > House. The latter really isn't anything to write home about, although it's > not terrible by any means. > > I had a great steak at Chicago Chop House back in 1992, the only time I ever eat there. It reminded me somewhat of John's Grill in SF, they are two of my favorite restaurants that I have ever ate at. I have been to the Ruth's Chris in Troy, MI a couple of times and was not impressed with the way they cook their steak over intense heat and slobs of melted butter. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:56:25 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: same thing but chicago Marc: > Morton's Very overpriced, and they have a tendency to either serve you a blue steak or a burnt steak. Unless you like well done or very rare, don't bother. Go to Ruth's Chris instead, or a local fave like the Chop House. The God's truth, all of it; Morton's is living on rep and politicos at this point. It's fair to say that Ruth's Chris is tops, though I tend to favor the local branch of Smith & Wollensky. You'll get a monstrous slab of perfectly roasted animal flesh in either place, really. Of course we now have another cheap excuse to re-post this: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28237 JBJ and I had our share tonight at Johnnie's in Elmwood Park; a couple of combos, a beef, fries, cokes and large lemon ices (with extra peel). You have to admire a man who spends his first night in Chicago at Giordano's, then his second at one of the best beef joints in the world. Michael "it's just one little chicken wing, how bad can it be?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:50:19 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: same thing but chicago Michael Wells wrote: > The God's truth, all of it; Morton's is living on rep and politicos at > this > point. It's fair to say that Ruth's Chris is tops, though I tend to > favor > the local branch of Smith & Wollensky. You'll get a monstrous slab of > perfectly roasted animal flesh in either place, really. I can understand those who don't like Ruth's Chris--they do have a tendency to do the butter that Michael Bachman mentioned, and that is one of those things you either like a lot or don't like a lot. To Mr. Bachman--have you ever tried ordering one without the butter? They'll do that for you. Smith and Wollensky's is one of my favorites as well. It is, to me, a most classical approach to steak. It is the only one where you get a really good char taste, I think, as they cook over flame instead of broil. One of the best steaks I ever had was at S&W in Vegas a few years back, a deliciously charred bone-in ribeye. I'm not sure any of the chains beat a really good local joint like the Chop House or one of the big ones here in Seattle (El Gaucho, Metropolitan Grill, Jak's or Daniel's--all have their charms). Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:54 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: same thing but chicago The steaks in Chicago might be good, but they're utterly sublime in Kansas City. The Hereford House rules them all. Ruth's Chris gets into trouble in Canada with its "USDA Prime" logo. We don't need no crappy imported steak. That, and it's alarmingly expensive. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:25:28 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: same thing but chicago - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marc Alberts Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:07 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: same thing but chicago Dolph wrote: >> STEAK: I love Chicago Chop House and Gibson's (the latter more for the >> ambience and service). Haven't been to Morton's yet, which is >> apparently >> the very best by many accounts. Marc came back with: >Morton's absolutely blows compared to the Chop House. Almost everyone I know who has ever gone to one has had a reason to send their meal back at least once. Very overpriced, and they have a tendency to either serve you a blue steak or a burnt steak. Unless you like well done or very rare, don't bother. Go to Ruth's Chris instead, or a local fave like the Chop House. >I would say, however, that one would be remiss if one failed to mention that it is best to avoid confusing the Chicago Chop House with the Kinzie Chop House. The latter really isn't anything to write home about, although it's not terrible by any means. Getting away from steak and moving onto fish restaurants in Chicago, I've been to Shucker's on Ontario Street and also the fish restaurant in The Drake and enjoyed both immensely. Is Shucker's still decent? I went years ago and my sister went a few years later and wasn't impressed as I was. The best piece of fish I had recently was some delicious crusted haddock in Boston at 224 in the old Dorchester section of town. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:29:48 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Robyn in Utrecht Enjoy! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:22:00 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: RE: same thing but chicago At 08:25 AM 6/12/2007, Bachman, Michael wrote: >Getting away from steak and moving onto fish restaurants in Chicago, >I've been to Shucker's on Ontario Street and also the fish restaurant in >The Drake and enjoyed both immensely. Is Shucker's still decent? I went >years ago and my sister went a few years later and wasn't impressed as I >was. I used to know someone in the kitchen at the Drake, and from his cooking I'm not surprised you enjoyed it! Haven't been to Shucker's. My choice for pricey but refined seafood would be Shaw's Crab House -- service can be a little stuffy, but you're really getting quality. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:33:03 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Robyn in Utrecht > http://www.lastfm.de/user/shagedorn/journal/2007/06/12/449136/ Nice review, Sebastian...and what a setlist! Smashing! > Enjoy! I did! Michael! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:37:06 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Chicago Pizza - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Juni 2007 12:40:04 -0500 regarding Re: Chicago Pizza: > On 6/11/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> >> Milwaukee = German food and some great freshwater fish restaurants. > > > The first is largely myth. There are two remaining German restaurants from > the old days - it's instructive that the third one closed down due to lack > of business about five years ago. > > People might eat German food, but it's not all that typical at > restaurants...unless you count bratwurst, which is more about cooking on a > grill than restaurant fare. What's German food, anyway? I think it's the same with all so-called national cuisines: you don't really get a representative selection. Food from the northern regions of Germany couldn't be more different from e.g. Bavarian food. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:50:26 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Robyn in Utrecht > That was a great read, Sebastian. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:23:40 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Dallas gives a beautiful light + Chicago pizza coda On 6/10/07, michael wells wrote: > See, I told you, don't bring up pizza around here. It's like asking for BBQ > recommendations in San Antonio (which if you need, contact Gene. Trust me on > this.). While I'd likely rather visit S.A. or Austin if I had my Texas druthers, my youngest sister and I will be in the Dallas area for a weekend in the nearish future. I'll have a good chunk of free time, so if anyone's got food and sightseeing tips for the Big D, I'd appreciate it. This will be my first time actually visiting Texas - I've changed planes at DFW (ugh!) and Houston Int'l, but that's been it. > In my book Uno and Due are shit, and have been ever since they were sold the > first time. I love Chicago more than any other big US city that I've visited. Pizzawise, hmm... last time I was there - '03 - we ate at the original Uno location, and enjoyed it. My friend Tim, a native South Sider, always took me to Connie's when I visited, and I enjoyed that too. stop me before I bitch about what happened to the Berghoff, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #234 ********************************