From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #222 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 1 2007 Volume 16 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: And I mean EVAR [2fs ] you tube [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: And I mean EVAR [Rex ] Re: And I mean EVAR ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: And I mean EVAR ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: the powerful mach-5 ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: And I mean EVAR [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: And I mean EVAR [kevin ] Re: And I mean EVAR [2fs ] Re: And I mean EVAR [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: And I mean EVAR [kevin ] Re: the powerful mach-5 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Stewart not happy with Police tour opening [Tom Clark ] Re: you tube [Tom Clark ] Re: Stewart not happy with Police tour opening [kevin ] okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... [kevin ] Re: And I mean EVAR ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: And I mean EVAR [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: And I mean EVAR [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #221 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: And I mean EVAR [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: And I mean EVAR [Rex ] Re: And I mean EVAR [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:19:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On 5/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Rex says: > > So what did I see on a giant billboard yesterday that immediately got my > > vote for lamest thing ever? > > > > This artwork: > > > > > http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003585592 > > I think I see Charlton Heston floating around in the background. Whereas my eyes could clearly see the Statue of Liberty sailing away to sea... - -- ...Jeff Norman, and I dreamed I was flying The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:26:36 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: you tube YouTube - Robyn Hitchcock - Games For May - Band Intros&See Emily Play_ (_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my4QBI6bzrY) ) ROBYN HITCHCOCK PLAYS PINK FLOYD'S SCARECROW (WELL ALMOST!)_ (_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUl8ljMJTA) ) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:55:04 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On 5/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > P.S. Is it my imagination, or did Rex start a thread? I didn't know I was known for not doing so! Live and learn. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:37:13 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR Rex says: > I didn't know I was known for not doing so! well, i don't actually know if the things i notice are true. but they seem that way to me. xo p.s. you'd think i might be able to read heidegger, but i'll confess, no. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_heidegger.html e.g. "We name time when we say: every thing has its time. This means: everything which actually is, every being comes and goes at the right time and remains for a time during the time allotted to it. Every thing has its time." - Martin Heidegger - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:13:40 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR Lauren said: >Rex says: >>So what did I see on a giant billboard yesterday that immediately got my >>vote for lamest thing ever? >> >>This artwork: >> >>http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003585592 > >I think I see Charlton Heston floating around in the background. While I am certainly no apologist for Billy Pumpkin (although I DID once spy him eating at the now-gone Demon Dogs here in Chicago (among all the Chicago (the band, not the city) memorabilia)) -- and the artwork IS pretty much faux didactism at its finest (fauxest?)...but, really, how much worse is that then anything else? I mean, in retrospect, isn't "Nevermind" pretty obviously trod ground, as well? At this point, they -- including "Zeitgeist - -- seem to be certainly no worse than "Bat out of Hell" or "The Stranger" (to pick 2 that happened to be in that "reversed or not" cover quiz) in ham-handed hammered-home depictions of metaphors (or even meta-ideas)... >P.S. Is it my imagination, or did Rex start a thread? Hmm -- didn't know that was an issue. Chalk up another for the observation skillz of Our Lauren (that was sincere -- no drip of sarcasm at all)... Michael "Heading to FLA next week to observe a shuttle launch -- NASA geek!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:21:05 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: the powerful mach-5 Tom C. said: >On May 31, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >>now cars don't usually impress me, but this one is pretty cool: >>http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-05-30-speed- >>racer_N.htm?csp=34 >> >>i hope they keep the great steering-wheel control panel, with its >>complex labeling system (e.g. "A", "B"...) i'm trying to remember the >>mach-5 features (i imagine they are factory installed.) there's the >>underwater bubble shield, the saws on the front that cut down trees, >>the underside jumpers, the homing pigeon, the things that pop out of >>the wheels that knock other cars out the way... > >Speed Racer was my favorite cartoon as a kid. Add in Christina Ricci and >I am *so* there. ...And they're missing a bet if they don't go with John Goodman as "Pops"... Michael "Although no fan of 'Speed Racer'...and frickin' Jonathan Frakes absolutely _destroyed_ MY childhood fave ('Thunderbirds' -- sob!)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:25:09 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR - -------------- Original message -------------- From: 2fs > On 5/31/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > Rex says: > > > So what did I see on a giant billboard yesterday that immediately got my > > > vote for lamest thing ever? > > > > > > This artwork: > > > > > > > > > http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=100358559 > 2 > > > > I think I see Charlton Heston floating around in the background. > Jeff Norman came back with: > Whereas my eyes could clearly see the Statue of Liberty sailing away to > sea... With Bush in the White House expunging out liberties, I surprised she hasn't left already. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:02:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR >While I am certainly no apologist for Billy Pumpkin > I may be all alone out here but I've always liked the kid's stuff. Question is, how is it a "reunion" when you resume activity with yr former drummer and a couple of pickup musicians because you've alienated everybody else who used to be in the group? Like, if Paul and Ringo started touring with a couple of geeks they hired off the street corner, would it be kosher to call that the Beatles? I dunno. >Chalk up another for the observation >skillz of Our Lauren Shouldn't that be "skilz?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:12:20 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On 6/1/07, kevin wrote: > > >While I am certainly no apologist for Billy Pumpkin > > > I may be all alone out here but I've always liked the kid's stuff. Actually, some of their stuff is alright - the problem is the later years, when Corgan's ego became bigger than the band, and (coincidentally?) his singing became more terrible. The problem there is that in the earlier years, he seemed to have a sense of how his voice worked: in what ranges, at what volumes. In later years, he sang all over the place even when it turned into a snaggled, nasal nightmare. Poor judgment. Plus, I"ll admit to a bit of an anti-early-'90s thing where anything at all redolent of "grunge" or Butch Vig's guitar production generally just rubs me the wrong way. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR kevin wrote: > >While I am certainly no apologist for Billy Pumpkin > > I may be all alone out here but I've always liked the kid's stuff. Through _Adore,_ I pretty much agree. Since then, oy vey. Except he's older than me, so I wouldn't refer to him as a kid. It's also been pretty clear to me though that he's a prick. > Question is, how is it a "reunion" when you resume activity with yr > former drummer and a couple of pickup musicians because you've > alienated everybody else who used to be in the group? Well, there are only two Whos and two Bunnymen left, though 3 of the missing 4 of those bands are dead, and Les Pattinson left the Bunnymen for family reasons. And you could argue they are only just replacing James since D'Arcy left before they toured with that last album, and since James quitting was the reason they broke up (Billy claimed a couple years ago -- James said that was bullshit). And, of course, there's always the stuff about Billy redoing half of James and D'Arcy's stuff on the albums anyways. Either way though, it's pretty clearly Billy going back to the brand name that actually sold. And the first single is pretty dull. > Like, if > Paul and Ringo started touring with a couple of geeks they hired > off the street corner, would it be kosher to call that the Beatles? > I dunno. > >Chalk up another for the observation >skillz of Our Lauren > > Shouldn't that be "skilz?" Given the quality involved, I vote "skillllz." "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:04:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR >Through _Adore,_ I pretty much agree. Since then, oy vey. Except he's >older than me, so I wouldn't refer to him as a kid. It's also been >pretty clear to me though that he's a prick. Well yeah. Stipulated. >Well, there are only two Whos and two Bunnymen left, though 3 of the >missing 4 of those bands are dead, and Les Pattinson left the >Bunnymen for family reasons. This may be heresy in some camps but E&thaB never really spoke to me in any meaningful way. And I would argue that for any remnant of the Who to go on using that name after Keith Moon left the building was and continues to be a travesty for which Pete, et al. will find themselves doing some serious time in Rock&Roll Purgatory... >Either way though, it's pretty clearly Billy going >back to the brand name that actually sold. I have to agree that it looks that way. Except that after all those postings about his spiritual traumas and what not I read it as more of a desperate attempt to regain lost innocence (standard ex-Catholic move) - that and nostalgia for the old neighborhood. Either way, it was a dick move to try to reclaim the name without Iha on board. He could have just fired up another band with Chamberlain on drums (where he's been all along). Which is pretty much what he did anyway, only under a tacky Pumpin-shaped cloud... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:17:38 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: the powerful mach-5 MJ says: > My 1970 Mach 1 Mustang didn't have any of those fancy features! It was > pretty fast though, and I still think to this day that the 1970 Mustang > was the best looking Mustang of all time. The new ones handle and stop > better though. MJ, i had to google that myself, how barbaric: http://www.homestead.com/1970mach1/home.html is that one? my dad is a car person (his father ran a repair shop in pittsburgh) but he seems to prefer the foreign ones that sit in the garage a lot, looking pretty and having complicated problems. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:30:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Stewart not happy with Police tour opening oh please let there be a fistfight on stage... http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2247412520070601 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:39:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: you tube On May 31, 2007, at 9:26 PM, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > YouTube - Robyn Hitchcock - Games For May - Band Intros&See > Emily Play_ (_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my4QBI6bzrY) ) I like how Robyn always introduces the band members with their hometown and/or astrological sign. - -tc, who shares a Gemini birthday with Morris Windsor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:43:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Stewart not happy with Police tour opening That's the funniest thing I've read so far today. Maybe they can get Nigel and David from Spinal Tap to sit in...? - -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Clark >Sent: Jun 1, 2007 11:30 AM >To: The Authority Box >Subject: Stewart not happy with Police tour opening > >oh please let there be a fistfight on stage... > >http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2247412520070601 > >-tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:45:25 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: the powerful mach-5 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:18 PM To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: the powerful mach-5 MJ says: >> My 1970 Mach 1 Mustang didn't have any of those fancy features! It was >> pretty fast though, and I still think to this day that the 1970 >> Mustang was the best looking Mustang of all time. The new ones handle >> and stop better though. Lauren wrote: >MJ, i had to google that myself, how barbaric: http://www.homestead.com/1970mach1/home.html >is that one? Yes! Mine was a medium blue. I drove it for over 4 1/2 years, until it was stolen and striped. Not much was left to it when it was recovered. The new Mustangs have some of the styling aspects of the 1970 model. >my dad is a car person (his father ran a repair shop in pittsburgh) but he seems to prefer the >foreign ones that sit in the garage a lot, looking pretty and having complicated problems. Fanuc is across the road from the North American VW/Audi headquarters, so I get to see a lot of nice VW's and Audi's that your dad would no doubt appreciate. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR kevin wrote: > Either way, it was a dick move to try to reclaim the name without > Iha on board. At the very least, he should have sought Iha's blessing, which it sounds like he didn't bother with since Iha said he hasn't actually talked to Corgan since the last show in Chicago back in 2000. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:07:14 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... http://i.today.reuters.com/pictures/galleries/Stories/633163080269062500/Previews/mdf995004.JPG or http://tinyurl.com/2rfebt from reuters slideshow "best pictures in the last 24 hours"; the caption in the slideshow is: "Mexico City police officers travel on their new Segway vehicles May 31, 2007. Mexico City police patrolling Reforma boulevard and one of the capital's bar, restaurant and nightclub areas have been equipped with 20 Segways." (photo credit: Andrew Winning) (for the entire slideshow go to: http://today.reuters.com/Pictures/default.aspx ) xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:17:32 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... On Jun 1, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/2rfebt > > from reuters slideshow "best pictures in the last 24 hours"; > the caption in the slideshow is: > "Mexico City police officers travel on their new Segway vehicles May > 31, 2007. Mexico City police patrolling Reforma boulevard and one of > the capital's bar, restaurant and nightclub areas have been equipped > with 20 Segways." (photo credit: Andrew Winning) I've always wondered what happens when the cop gets off the Segway to chase someone. Aren't the easy to steal? Is there something like "The Club" for a Segway that renders it inoperable? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:20:12 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... > I've always wondered what happens when the cop gets off the Segway to chase someone. Aren't the easy to steal? Is there something like "The Club" for a Segway that renders it inoperable? They're not fast, so I guess you would have to toss it in the back of a truck and drive off. I once saw three guys do this to a full-sized motor scooter; it was parked in front of a store across the highway, they just pulled up alongside and grabbed it. Took all of about 10 seconds. It was strangely cool, like watching the exploding car commercial in "Used Cars." Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:54:34 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Wells Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:20 PM To: fiends before the shrine Subject: RE: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... Michael of Wells came trouncing forth with: >It was strangely cool, like watching the exploding car commercial in "Used Cars." Roy L. Fuchs didn't care for that commercial, seeing how it was his Benz that got the shit blown out if it! "Used Cars" is really a overlooked and underrated comedy. It has so many gut busting funny scenes, it's hard to pick out a favorite. I guess because it didn't have any SNL or SCTV star power comedians types in it and that Kurt Russell wasn't an established comedian at the time that it tends to be forgotten about. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:06:29 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: street life i say: > http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9723854-7.html http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/request_for_urb.html a real potential time sink. current image #6 made me burst out laughing. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:44:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: okay, i'm sure these guys mean business, but... >Kurt Russell wasn't an >established comedian at the time But he was pretty entertaining in Grindhouse, which I caught yesterday PM after getting out of the oral surgeon where we're dealing with a wisdom tooth extraction that hasn't been a huge success so far. Although Rodrigues' end of the project was way more successful in evoking the aroma of yer classic 70s explo trash, and also funnier, the fact remains that Tarantino hired Rosario Dawson, who was excellent as usual. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:48:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: In other news Just got an email from Neumos on Capitol Hill awkwardly hinting that Blake Lewis will be making An Appearance this Saturday night. If I was forty years younger and blind drunk and didn't hate American Idol like poison, I might be tempted... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:55:23 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR Kevin said: > >While I am certainly no apologist for Billy Pumpkin > > >I may be all alone out here but I've always liked the kid's stuff. >Question is, how is it a "reunion" when you resume activity with yr former >drummer and a couple of pickup musicians because you've alienated everybody >else who used to be in the group? Like, if Paul and Ringo started touring >with a couple of geeks they hired off the street corner, would it be kosher >to call that the Beatles? I dunno. I actually like much of his stuff -- and think "Adore" is pretty much one of my fave records of that period. ...Also, in that same reunion vein, I was a bit jazzed to read of a Squeeze reunion tour...until I further read that it was Glenn and Chris and backing musicians. Hey, I LOVE G&C...and saw them in '84 as Difford and Tilbrook after they did that non-Squeeze duo record...and they are, of course, the essential members, songwriters, main voices, etc., but...how is that Squeeze? And, re: the Pumpkins, some wag here made sly reference to the fact that, with Billy and Jimmy involved, why is this not a Zwan reunion as well? Michael Sweeney Trivia: Paul Carrack hit the top 40 as lead vocalist for 3 completely different bands (one of which was, of course, the aforementioned Squeeze (on "Tempted"))...can ya name the other 2? _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR Michael Sweeney wrote: > Trivia: Paul Carrack hit the top 40 as lead vocalist for 3 > completely different bands (one of which was, of course, the > aforementioned Squeeze (on "Tempted"))...can ya name the other 2? How Long of a Silent Running start do we have to guess Ace & Mike + The Mechanics? (though I'm actually semi-sure that "Tempted" actually fell short of the Top 40 in the US; it's just one of those songs that every remembers being a much bigger hit than it was.) "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:22:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Trivia: Paul Carrack hit the top 40 as lead vocalist for 3 > completely different bands (one of which was, of course, the > aforementioned Squeeze (on "Tempted"))...can ya name the other 2? Ace ("How Long...") and - I'm guessing here - Mike + The Mechanics? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:30:17 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #221 Our very own Mr E Tews wrote: >james, you and me: we's conNECTED, beeyatch! I'm not sure whether to feel honoured or scared. And Lauren (xo) a dit: >P.P.S. *Another* Tarantula song? How 2006. ...or even earlier. Faithless's song "Tarantula" came out in 2001. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...Also, in that same reunion vein, I was a bit jazzed to read of a Squeeze > reunion tour...until I further read that it was Glenn and Chris and backing > musicians. Hey, I LOVE G&C...and saw them in '84 as Difford and Tilbrook > after they did that non-Squeeze duo record...and they are, of course, the > essential members, songwriters, main voices, etc., but...how is that > Squeeze? Well...it's the same way Andy & Colin are XTC and Roger & Pete are the Who, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:26:57 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On 6/1/07, kevin wrote: > > > This may be heresy in some camps but E&thaB never really spoke to me in > any meaningful way. I loves 'em, but I can certainly understand why people would be indifferent or even anti-Bunnymen. The strengths that I respond to (and presumably some others here do, too) have nothing to do with Goth credibility or John Hughes nostalgia... I actually got most deeply into them a little later than their heyday, and it's their reinvention of the whole garage band thing, via Television and Love, that really gets me. Few bands this side of Talking Heads did *tension* quite so well. Smashing Pumpkins, on the other hand, I have never found any merit in. Their only good songs were ripoffs of very specifically identifiable artists (Pixies, Jane's Addiction, New Order) with worse lyrics (worse than New Order? Worse than Jane's Addiction? Yes, oh yes) and their other stuff was just awful and pretentious. What kind of amazes me about both Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails, and it's probably to their credit, is their utter lack of growth in terms of lyrical subject matter and execution over decades-- to their credit because it seems to garner them generation after generation of youth-angst fans, while keeping the older ones via the nostalgia card. Well done, guys. I mean, the new NIN record is pimped out as just a part of a whole immersive multimedia lifestyle package that you can live online trying to puzzle out... so, who that was really into "Head Like a Hole" when it first came out still has the leisure time to live a virtual fantasy life in devotion to a new record? Gotta be younger kids, right (either that or astonishingly rich, idle and devoted ex-goths)... Anyway, those two bands are probably where I broke completely with rock orthodoxy about IMPORTANT BANDS and such. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:34:38 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: And I mean EVAR On 6/1/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > And, re: the Pumpkins, some wag here made sly reference to the fact that, > with Billy and Jimmy involved, why is this not a Zwan reunion as well? By the same token, the aforementioned Bunnymen are more entitled to the name "Electrafixion" at this point... after all, Electrafixion never released a record without Ian Maccullouch. There wasn't much questioning the authenticity of Forster & Maclennan as the real "Go-Betweens"...Squeeze would work pretty much the same way, right? I think the "lineup authenticity" thing only really matters in direct proportion to how big of a deal the artists themselves have ever made of it, if that makes sense, perhaps conflated with to what extent the band's identity was synonymous with its frontperson or songwriter. In these two-songwriter cases, having both principals on board seems to do the trick (although there are cases, like the dB's, where there are just as many historic albums released by the less-quintessential lineup than the one people view as essential). - -Rex Michael Sweeney > Trivia: Paul Carrack hit the top 40 as lead vocalist for 3 completely > different bands (one of which was, of course, the aforementioned Squeeze > (on > "Tempted"))...can ya name the other 2? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. 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