From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #217 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 27 2007 Volume 16 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: kids come running for the bland taste of Wilco ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 [Rex ] Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 [Rex ] Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Friends - Games For May - Pink Floyd / Syd Barrett Tribute - May 26th 2007 [] DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - Games For May concert - May 26th 2007 ["Matthijs ] Re: kids come running for the bland taste of Wilco ["Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 On 5/17/07, Rex wrote: > On 5/17/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > > > (donnie darko) > > i figure that maybe that movie's a guy thing. > > > I knew a group of women who loved it, and kinda roped me into it seeing it > during some kind of theatrical revival. Does that movie count as one of > those "twist" movies where the ending's like a puzzle? I liked it fairly > well, but didn't think the ending was much of a shocker. (I think I may > have only ever seen the "director's cut", though.) I loved the original, but the director's cut bites. When I watched the film for the first time, I loved how it left most of the heavy lifting to the viewer, leaving you free to interpret the movie as you wished. However, with all the "deleted scenes" put back in, it becomes dogmatic and almost predictable, beating you over the head with what it wants you to think instead of letting you draw your own conclusions. Even if it was just running time that forced the edits, the edits were almost all for the better. I'm not sure if I'll state this well, but here goes: based on writer/director Richard Kelly's commentary on the original disc, including his deleted scenes commentary, I am completely convinced that he ended up making a different - and in my opinion, *better* - movie than he intended or even knows that he made. Whether it was the actors (particularly Jake G.) taking the roles beyond what he had envisioned, or the edits forcing his hand, the movie I saw and experienced was far better, more interesting, and decidedly different than the one Kelly *describes.* I never thought of it as a guy movie for a second, though. One person once told me my all-time list was a guy movie list, and that really took me aback. I mean, sure, it's got some films that feature war and violence (FIGHT CLUB, APOCALYPSE NOW - another "insist on the original cut" movie - and GODFATHER I & II), but RAISING ARIZONA a guy movie? BARON MUNCHAUSEN or BRAZIL? BRINGING UP BABY? 8 1/2? Whaaa? It's not like I picked RAMBO, XXX, and JACKASS, ya know. later, Miles np: Jason & the Scorchers, "If Money Talks" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:23:53 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 Rex: > You know, I really should stop using that as a boilerplate example of > dumb-guy interests. I grew up in an area that's now NASCAR-crazy, but it > wasn't nearly so pervasive when I left there 20 years ago. Same experience here - stock car racing was *one* thing that people in southern WV might like, but it was just one of many back then. There wasn't a Cult of Cale Yarbrough or anything. > However, I don't think my Styx-fan friends were into watching sports much, > either. So I'll take my points back. I can't remember if I ever told my Styx dream to Feg - sorry if it's a repeat. But last year, I dreamed I was dating a woman who was way into Styx (this was a made-up-for-this-dream woman rather than one that I actually know), and being a "good boyfriend" type, despite my distaste for Styx, I took her to a show when the band hit town and somehow wangled backstage passes for us. The venue wasn't any that I really know here in Nashville, but was a lot more like the Metro in Chicago. Anyway, I don't remember the actual performance being in the dream, but I do recall that it was the, um, "classic" late '70s lineup. She and I went backstage afterwards, and I suddenly felt very bad for all my Styx jokes leading up to the show because... (1) all of them, even Dennis DeYoung, were extremely nice to us. (2) turns out they are *all* midgets - not just real-life-Tommy-Shaw short, but midgets. The only reason they looked normal on stage at all had to do with an intricate series of mirrors and lighting tricks. - -dream finis- Pot? Music to listen to while high? OK, my mom will be so proud of me, but I confess that I have never used an illegal drug of any sort. This didn't happen out of any moral, religious, or philosophical opposition to drugs. As a kid, I was overprotected to the nth degree kid and my mom had the nose of a bloodhound, so I knew that if I smoked *anything* in the rare unsupervised moments I managed to wangle, I'd be cold busted for sure. Then when I got to college, the whole Culture of Inebriation thing was a major turnoff for me. I associated it with Idiot Frat Boy behavior, and it seemingly revolved completely around stories of how much one could vomit (albeit that part having to do with a *legal* intoxicant - though most of the imbibers were underage) and what incredibly stupid thing happened or almost happened while said person was out of control. And after college, I felt ridiculously too old to start on anything. However, I always got along great with the pot smoking demographic, so I was around pot quite a bit in junior high and high school. It usually made the more mellow pals paranoid and the more stressed friends mellow, which I found interesting. Something I thought FREAKS & GEEKS got very, very wrong was their initial conflation of potheads with scary thug types. I think the show was written so entirely from the perspective of the younger "geeks" that it consistently revealed that the writers had no freakin' idea what real potheads were like, even though a viewing of DAZED AND CONFUSED could have taught them all they apparently didn't actually learn in 1980. And the show's transformation of the potheads from scary outsiders to lovable lummoxes was just as wrongheaded. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:37:36 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: today's iTunes poetry You You're Having My Sex You're the Kind of Trouble You and I You and Me and the Ten Thousand Things You are Chains You made it True You Might Walk Away You Can Only Live Tomorrow You Show Me Your Heart (and I'll Show You Mine) You the Widow You Will Look at Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:40:22 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: kids come running for the bland taste of Wilco On 5/4/07, Rex wrote: > On 5/3/07, natalie jacobs wrote: > > > > > > The song I heard on the radio was "What Light," one of the many songs on > > the > > album with amazingly trite lyrics. I still can't believe the guy who was > > responsible for "She's a Jar" and "Jesus, Etc." is now writing lyrics like > > "On and on and on, we'll stay together, yeah." > > > Amen. Some of the titles seem to imply better songs than they are, because, > like, more care was taken in which phrase was extracted for titular usage > than was with the lyrics themselves. Sigh. It's Around the Sun All Over > Again. How are you holding up, Miles? I can't improve on Natalie calling it an America album. I listened to it 4-5 times on the WilcoWeb stream, and I think that constitutes more than a good faith effort. To get all antiquated with the language, I have no truck with this album. Even as late as 1997, I never imagined the day would come when I wouldn't buy a Robyn Hitchcock album on the first day, or R.E.M. or Wilco albums at all. All these things have come to pass. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:40:59 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: 101 uses for a dead cat topic Jeff Dwarf retro-reaped: >Elizabeth Schwarzkopf Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!! From "The Ruling Class." (and sorry for the digest-reading-related delay) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Schwarzkopf ...also -- my apologies for the "more famous living relative" mini-hint (which I doubt helped or hampered very much) -- it is now reported as an urban myth that she was related to Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, but was used in many obits at the time of her death. Well -- that was fun. Congrats, Jeff -- your non-prize prize is...uh...the chance to run your own mini-trivia challenge somehow connected to Robyn. And, thus, the chain will go on... Michael Sweeney ...Distinguished career, many honors, known as quite the beauty...but, to me, she'll always be an internal rhyme for "Ease your own shorts off "... _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:03:27 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: favourite robyn lines Lauren Elizabeth says: >"buzz aldrin took me by hand >and said one day that i'd be rich >i think he meant that >i was going to be your lover in his lifetime." > >...and say what you will about the u.s. government - i have a place in my >heart for NASA. Me too...and Col. Buzz remains one of my heroes for A) The whole astronaut / walking on the moon bit; B) His openness about his depression, post-moon; and, not least of all, C) His flat-out dropping a lunar-landing denier who was badgering him (and who had to be half, if not one-third of his age) with a solid punch in the face. And I believe the subsequent judge said something like "I would've done the same thing" before dismissing assault charges. In my book, John Glenn could go on a shooting spree today and get a walk, too...(ok - exaggerating, but...you know...) Michael "I thought I heard NASA...not clapping, but slugging..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:31:01 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 > > My "problem" (such as it was) in my younger, more reckless days, was that I > > never got much effect (in fact, just about nothing, 'cept maybe 1 or 2 > > times) out of smoking pot... > >i guess pot is pretty versatile; my reaction was more like, okay, >reality's weird enough as it is - why add to the mess? I'm violently allergic to tomato, and apparently pot is closely enough related to cause me problems - so after throwing up repeatedly after eating some biscuits containing "a secret recipe of herbs and spices", I decided to steer clear of it. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:07:57 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 On 5/26/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > One person > once told me my all-time list was a guy movie list, and that really > took me aback. I mean, sure, it's got some films that feature war and > violence (FIGHT CLUB, APOCALYPSE NOW - another "insist on the original > cut" movie - and GODFATHER I & II), but RAISING ARIZONA a guy movie? > BARON MUNCHAUSEN or BRAZIL? BRINGING UP BABY? 8 1/2? Whaaa? That's definitly odd. Did you get an all-time list back from this person? Could be instructive. I never really thought of APOCALYPSE NOW or the GODFATHERS as especially guy-ish, either, just kind of cineaste-y...hell, they're based on novels. And FIGHT CLUB is obviously something more than a shoot-em-up, too, although it definitely fits into that postmasculine guy-film mode... but I've said more than enough about that lately! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:16:28 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 On 5/26/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > > I can't remember if I ever told my Styx dream to Feg - sorry if it's a > repeat. You did, but you could post it daily for the next five years if you wanted... that's the best dream evar. And it has a good moral to boot! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:46:53 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Don't bogart that list part 2 On 5/26/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > R > > Anyway, I don't remember the actual performance being in the dream, > > (2) turns out they are *all* midgets - not just real-life-Tommy-Shaw > short, but midgets. > The actual performance, clearly, was a cover of "Dwarf Beat." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 02:22:40 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #201 Miles Goosens says: > I loved the original, but the director's cut bites. i'm pretty sure i was talking about the original, only because i remember the hoopla around the director's cut being released and i believe i had seen it by that point. > I never thought of it as a guy movie for a second, though. One person > once told me my all-time list was a guy movie list, and that really > took me aback. I mean, sure, it's got some films that feature war and > violence (FIGHT CLUB, APOCALYPSE NOW - another "insist on the original > cut" movie - and GODFATHER I & II), but RAISING ARIZONA a guy movie? > BARON MUNCHAUSEN or BRAZIL? BRINGING UP BABY? 8 1/2? Whaaa? It's > not like I picked RAMBO, XXX, and JACKASS, ya know. i can only speak for myself (and even that is questionable) but when i say something is guy thing, my meaning is nothing to do with "rambo"-type things. i tend to like a lot of "guy stuff" and sometimes i come across things that i don't really get into and some of them for some particular reason (i.e. not arbitrary, but not easy to articulate) get filed under "guy stuff." so personally the descriptor's neutral for me and no kind of value judgment and certainly is *not* synonomous with "dumb-guy stuff." "donnie darko" - not sure why i would file this under "guy movie"  perhaps its darkness and theme of sacrifice from your list... "fight club" - men are still recovering from the 60's "apocalypse now" - war and failure is of the world of men "godfather I & II" - a closer call, but not by much - mob movies seem to appeal more to men "baron munchausen" - uma thurman's breasts "brazil" - another movie that i respect, don't like, and file hell knows why under "guy stuff"  perhaps the kind of visual extravaganza that gilliam does very well would appeal more to guys? "8 1/2" - failure is of the world of men. "raising arizona" - the person who described your list was generalizing and this probably was an ignored outlying data point. although 1/2 a thought: the coen brothers have a kind of detachment in their sense of humor that might put off some females (perhaps they are taught not to laugh, out of politeness, at some very funny things?) "bringing up baby" - it's been too long, but probably the same generalizing thing as the penultimate item. these are just my vague thoughts, not a proof. i'm a computer scientist, dammit, and we like to generalize. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:31:23 -0400 From: miss lesser hamden Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Friends - Games For May - Pink Floyd / Syd Barrett Tribute - May 26th 2007 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=148314&hit=1 - -------- Original Message -------- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 148314 Title: Robyn Hitchcock and Friends - Games For May - Pink Floyd / Syd Barrett Tribute - May 26th 2007 Size: 685.25 MB Category: Rock Uploaded by: mgeldere Info hash: 8f2f72d5e4b9766156bcd8f82cf1a0d8a0b860db Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock and Heavy Friends Games For May - Syd Barrett Tribute May 26th 2007 Queen Elizabeth Hall, London UK Recorded by Matthijs van Geldere Audio Source Information: - - Sound Professionals SP-CMC-2 cardioid mics - - SP-SPSB-6 Battery Box - - Edirol R09 (WAV 24 bit / 44.1 KHz mode) - - Adobe Audition 2.0 (remastering and downmix to 16 bit mode) - - CDWAV Tracklist CD1 01 - Mathilda Mother 02 - Flaming 03 - The Scarecrow 04 - Jugband Blues 05 - See Emily Play 06 - Bike 07 - Arnold Layne 08 - Candy And A Currant Bun 09 - Pow R Toc H 10 - Interstellar Overdrive CD2 01 - Terrapin 02 - Love You 03 - Late Night 04 - Long Gone 05 - If It's In You 06 - (Wouldn't You Miss Me) Dark Globe 07 - Dominoes 08 - Wined and Dined 09 - Reaction in G 10 - Astronomy Domine 11 - Lucifer Sam 12 - See Emily Play - ------------------------------------------ Robyn Hitchcock - Guitar, Vocals Kimberley Rew - Guitar Paul Noble - Bass Terry Edwards - Keyboards, Saxophone, Trumpet Morris Windsor - Drums Dan Woodgate - Drums Graham Coxon - Guitar Matthew Cullen - Guitar Isobel Campbell - Cello ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:11:28 +0100 From: "Matthijs van Geldere" Subject: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - Games For May concert - May 26th 2007 Robyn Hitchcock and Heavy Friends Games For May - Syd Barrett Tribute http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=148314 May 26th 2007 Queen Elizabeth Hall, London UK Recorded by Matthijs van Geldere Audio Source Information: - - Sound Professionals SP-CMC-2 cardioid mics - - SP-SPSB-6 Battery Box - - Edirol R09 (WAV 24 bit / 44.1 KHz mode) - - Adobe Audition 2.0 (remastering and downmix to 16 bit mode) - - CDWAV Tracklist CD1 01 - Mathilda Mother 02 - Flaming 03 - The Scarecrow 04 - Jugband Blues 05 - See Emily Play 06 - Bike 07 - Arnold Layne 08 - Candy And A Currant Bun 09 - Pow R Toc H 10 - Interstellar Overdrive CD2 01 - Terrapin 02 - Love You 03 - Late Night 04 - Long Gone 05 - If It's In You 06 - (Wouldn't You Miss Me) Dark Globe 07 - Dominoes 08 - Wined and Dined 09 - Reaction in G 10 - Astronomy Domine 11 - Lucifer Sam 12 - See Emily Play - ------------------------------------------ Robyn Hitchcock - Guitar, Vocals Kimberley Rew - Guitar Paul Noble - Bass Terry Edwards - Keyboards, Saxophone, Trumpet Morris Windsor - Drums Dan Woodgate - Drums Graham Coxon - Guitar Matthew Cullen - Guitar Isobel Campbell - Cello ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:42:03 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: kids come running for the bland taste of Wilco I said 'bout the new Wilco: > I can't improve on Natalie calling it an America album. Rex actually dropped that precision-guided bomb rather than Natalie. But I've enjoyed the disses from both very much... within a context of "I think we would all gladly trade all the clever snarking in the world for a kick-ass Wilco album," that is. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #217 ********************************