From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #211 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, May 21 2007 Volume 16 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: wall plug ["Marc Holden" ] Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap [grutness@slingshot.co.n] re: NYT on German beer ["Marc Holden" ] Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap [2fs ] Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap [Sebastian Hagedorn ] RE: 101 uses for a dead cat topic ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: "signs point to yes" ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: wall plug [kevin ] Fwd: VH1 Classic sorry - TUESDAY ! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] VH1 Classic Tonight [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] reap ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] linkz u can use 3 ["michael wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:01:38 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: wall plug >>I have heard a story of one contractor in >Pennsylvania who tried putting >>up shelving using loads that were too >powerful for the materials he was >>fastening, and wound up shooting at least >two nails through the shelving >>braces, through the wall being fastened to, >>and through the adjoining wall surface. The second of these nails went >>into >the head of someone who wondered what had just made a small hole in >>the wall >and went to take a closer look. Kevin replied: > Sounds a little urban legend-ish... Not entirely, but when you factor in that this was my retelling of a newspaper article I had read about 22 years ago, it is entirely possible that there is a distortion in the details. We kept the article on file with other articles about product awards, new product applications, etc. to show walk-in customers who had questions about our products (Hilti fasteners). It was a good example of someone using the wrong tool and wrong accessories for a job. Figuring from the setting (construction work in a strip mall), the contractor was most likely mounting the shelving onto drywall and should have probably been using screws or toggle bolts rather than shooting the supports up. If he was missing the wall studs, all he was shooting through was a bit of shelving material, a piece of sheet rock, a 4 inch air gap, another piece of sheet rock, and into whatever was on the other side of the wall. Except for the shelving brace, I could punch through the rest with my hand, so using too powerful a tool, at short range could be potentially disastrous. When I was working for the fastening company, they made four grades of powder loads for their nail guns--light duty (green) up to extra heavy (purple/black). Even the light ones were made for firing into metal and concrete, not into drywall, but once a product went out the door, there was no absolute assurance that the contractor would use it correctly. My service center had a customer who fell three stories and severely injured himself because he had set up a safety line from a single threaded stud he shot into concrete, trusting his estimated tensile strength of the materials without checking the shear rating (approximately 100 Kg. for that particular item). Anyway, here was a 240 lb. man using an item that was rated to be 95% secure at a load of 220 lbs. He should have had used a minimum 2 or 3 studs just to be safe (I'd add at least the third stud to make up for any possible flaws in the concrete or other materials, but I guess I'm not a big fan of falling). As far as hitting someone on the other side of the wall, look through some police reports and you won't have much trouble finding cases where someone gets shot when going to see what is causing a loud/unusual noise (I Googled one in less than a minute). When they find the source of the disturbance, it puts them directly in the line of fire. Glad you don't believe everything you read, Kevin, but I'd still have to say that the bit I posted at the top was at least based on true events, or I wouldn't have posted it in the first place. Nothing that fantastic about it, industrial accidents are very common in the construction field later, Marc Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:04:39 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap > >I was also amused by another event, "Back to Freshman Year," where > >seniors can visit their old dorms. I wonder if they brought their parents > >with them? "Look, mom, that's the spot where I almost got laid for the > >first time! There's the window I threw my bong out of as the RA pounded on > >my door! And there's the very spot where I gave up on studying for my Chem > >102 final and decided to just take the F." > >Comedy gold! And I can definitely identify. Yeah, but, frankly, who >_wouldnt_ want to take a tour of even the locations of failures and defeats >in their life? Well, I would, anyway: "Look: There's the building that >she used to live in, where I came up and stayed the weekend during that one >ill-fated visit when everything seemed to careen out of control...and which >I once  years later  drunkenly stumbled against and kissed, feeling the >grit of 70 or 80 years of city-battered brick-and-stone against my lips, >teeth, and tongue..." Heh! I actually went to a reunion of my old hall of residence (=dorm) last year, (so I got to see the bed where I first got laid - it was even narrower than I remember). Nop bong-throwing for me, but some other embarrassing memories that I won't trouble you with here. Has anyone reaped New order yet? >Today's NYT travel section has an article on German beer that focuses on >Cologne: Make sure you can distinguish between the two before you start drinking. Beer tastes far better than cologne. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:48:03 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: NYT on German beer Sebastian remarked: >I have to admit that the Berlin beer he describes is the only one of the >other specialties that I'm familiar with. I never had Gose or Rauchbier. I really like a Kvlsch, but the Rauchbier I've had was really not very good (smoky only starts to describe the flavor). Keep in mind, I've only found them bottled. Weiss beers and some of the Oktoberfest specialties are about the only German beers that get shipped to Arizona in kegs, other than the major commercial brews. I'd really like to make it back over to Germany and do a beer tour sometime. marc You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:51:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap On 5/20/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > Has anyone reaped New order yet? > I think the Police have broken up, too. And that band from Liverpool...with the floppy hair and the suits? Them too. Seriously: I thought New Order had broken up years ago. Maybe I'm confusing "becoming irrelevant" with "breaking up," though... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap 2fs wrote: > Seriously: I thought New Order had broken up years ago. Maybe I'm > confusing "becoming irrelevant" with "breaking up," though... No, after their extended "hiatus" they insisted on recording two Gillian Gilbert-less albums (GetReady and Waiting for the Sirens' Call) both of which had one pretty decent but not terribly essential single ("Crystal" and "Krafty" respectively) along with some even less essential filler material. Oh, and some utter shit, including (on the former) unnecessarily guest appearances by Billy Corgan and Bobby Gillespie. There was also a song for the 24 Hour Party People ("Here to Stay") that was kinda nifty, but also pretty inessential. And a few more compilation records, none of which had the elusive "Run 2" on them, which is a big deal to some people, though I never thought "Run" was one of their better songs anyways, and that "Run 2" just brought out the worst in it, but it is sort of a holy grail thing to some New Order fans. We did get the original, pre-Gillian recording of "Ceremony" though, which is cool. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:54:34 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: "signs point to yes" http://film.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329872535-124864,00.html it's good to see some hopeful words on this one - this had much sucko potential and i'll be happy if it's halfway decent. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:08:35 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap - -- grutness@slingshot.co.nz is rumored to have mumbled on 21. Mai 2007 13:04:39 +1200 regarding Re: more on this vital subject, plus a band reap: >> Today's NYT travel section has an article on German beer that focuses on >> Cologne: > > Make sure you can distinguish between the two before you start drinking. > Beer tastes far better than cologne. You speak from experience, I take it? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:49:43 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: "signs point to yes" at least it's a little better than the reviewer who claimed that the film was shot in the East Midlands because New Order were based there... that caused a chuckle... c* On 21/05/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > http://film.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329872535-124864,00.html > > it's good to see some hopeful words on this one - this had much sucko > potential and i'll be happy if it's halfway decent. > > xo > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." > > - The Buddha > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:52:41 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 101 uses for a dead cat topic - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:56 PM To: Lauren Elizabeth Cc: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: 101 uses for a dead cat topic On 5/19/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Sweeney says: > >> ...But, last summer, three real-life people referenced in Robyn's > >> songs > >died > >> within about five weeks of each other: One very notable, one fairly > >> obscure, and one somewhat in-between (although probably known to > >> nearly everyone out here). >> >> i had it all figured out: >> >> the pope >> ronald reagan >> syd barrett >Syd and Arthur Lee must be 2 out of three. Harrison Ford, Nick Lowe, and Condoleeza Rice all still live; Nick Drake, Eazy E and HG Wells remain dead, so I'm not sure who #3 is. Gene Hackman is still among us as well. Gram sang about three of his friends that died, two of whom were nationally known, in the song "In My Hour Of Darkness" without naming them. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:56:07 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: NYT on German beer Marc: > I'd really like to make it back over to Germany and do a beer tour sometime. Aarrgh, this is one of the few things I miss about being a drinker...planning stuff like trips to Germany that only marginally involve business, and allow ample free time for beering. Sebastian would obviously be the authority on this, but I found the real magic of German beer to be the sheer quality of the 'average' brew, much like table wines in France. I haven't been in a while, so I can't fairly say if the big breweries have changed this or not. In many, many years of beer loving I did have the best beer *ever*: a large Paulaner draft in a restaurant off the Friedrichstrasse. In fact it was so good, I had two. And sausage sold by the meter. Gotta love Germany. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:10:30 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "signs point to yes" craigie* wrote: > at least it's a little better than the reviewer who claimed that the film > was shot in the East Midlands because New Order were based there... Hey, they were only 60 miles off -- that's not even from one side of Greater Toronto to the other ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:23:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: wall plug >Glad you don't believe everything you read, Kevin, but I'd still have to say >that the bit I posted at the top was at least based on true events, or I >wouldn't have posted it in the first place. Nothing that fantastic about it, >industrial accidents are very common in the construction field Apologies if I gave offense there. I never like to harsh anybody's mellow, and I know very well how many dangerous idiots there are in the world. But my mom forwards every idiot e-mail in the world to me and I've gotten a bit cynical about that kind of thing. Happy Monday / KS. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:36:22 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Fwd: VH1 Classic sorry - TUESDAY ! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-path: From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Full-name: HwyCDRrev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:33:47 EDT Subject: VH1 Classic Tonight To: fegmaniax@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain 3 PF specials VH1 classic - tonight 1 dark side of the moon documentary 2 pink floyd & syd barrett 3 movie : the wall ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:33:47 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: VH1 Classic Tonight 3 PF specials VH1 classic - tonight 1 dark side of the moon documentary 2 pink floyd & syd barrett 3 movie : the wall ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:15:52 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: reap a cautionary tale. runner, 53, ("He looked really fit'', says fellow runner): http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/05/21/BAG7RPUKRC1.DTL there was also a runner who died in last year's san francisco marathon. i had a friend who was chatting with him early in the race, and later in the race - not so much. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:44:12 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: linkz u can use 3 From March, the text of Stephen Hawking's speech at Berkeley: http://tinyurl.com/2924zv Create your own random cipher alphabet: http://tinyurl.com/ypel8n What I really miss most about the 80's are the Paul Stanley interviews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0mQiZ_kf1k Pimp that Snack takes on Cadbury: http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/project.php?projectID=302 Artfully photographed beer can be, well, almost darn sexy: http://tinyurl.com/325v4v Enjoy. 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