From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #191 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 4 2007 Volume 16 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Wraith Pinned to the Steak [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Wychwood preview show [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] RE: REAP ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: p.s. -- coachella [2fs ] RE: REAP ["Michael Wells" ] RE: ReReap ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: REAP [2fs ] RE: REAP ["Bachman, Michael" ] changed subject line [2fs ] reap [2fs ] Re: p.s. -- coachella [kevin ] Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls ["Stacked Crooked"] Re: News [kevin ] Re: reap [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Wraith Pinned to the Steak [2fs ] Re: reap [2fs ] like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... ["Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Wraith Pinned to the Steak 2fs wrote: > Oh - here's something amusing, worth repeating in its entirety. So > you've probably seen or heard (or heard of) that ad for Wendy's > with the Violent Femmes' "Blister in the Sun" as soundtrack (just > the guitar/bass lick - some of the lyrics would seem, uh, less > than suitable)? I always laugh when I see those commercials specifically because of the contrast between how the song is being used and what it means. Which is basically how I try to view any such spots since it's all any of us really can do, and there have been instances where the artist has been seriously helped professionally by putting their songs in commercials (Moby, Nick Drake). I'll even confess that, as much as I respected Jello Biafra not letting Levi's use "Holiday in Cambodia" to sell Dockers, I do think that such a commercial would have been a riot. I guess I've ultimately arrived at "(The Angels Want to Wear My) Red Shoes" POV on the whole thing. > Here's bass-player Brian > Ritchie's comments on the situation: > > *"For the fans who rightfully are complaining about the Wendy's > burger advertisement featuring Blister in the Sun, Gordon Gano is > the publisher of the song and Warners is the record company. When > they agree to use it there's nothing the rest of the band can do > about it, because we don't own the song or the recording. That's not completely true: he may not be able to stop Gordon Gano from leasing to song to Wendy''s, but he can certainly quit the band to protest it (or have told Gano that he can either do the Wendy's deal or keep him in the band). > That's showbiz. Therefore when you see dubious or > in this case disgusting uses of our music you can thank the greed, > insensitivity and poor taste of Gordon Gano, it is his karma that > he lost his songwriting ability many years ago, probably due to > his own lack of self-respect as his willingness to prostitute our > songs demonstrates. Neither Gordon (vegetarian) nor me (gourmet) > eat garbage like Wendy's burgers. I can't endorse them because I > disagree with corporate food on culinary, political, health, > economic and environmental grounds. However I see my life's work > trivialized at the hands of my business partner over and > over again, although I have raised my objections numerous times. As > disgusted as you are I am more so." In fact, given the contempt Brian Ritchie seems to have for Gordon Gano at this point, his decision not to quit VF seems just as craven and whorish as Gano leasing the hooks of "BITS" to Wendy's. > (more here: < > http://www.onmilwaukee.com/music/soundcheck/articles/femmeschili2.html> > * > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:23:02 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wychwood preview show From http://www.wychwoodfestival.com/: Dear Mailing List Member Tonight eFestivals.co.uk are launching their very own online radio station, and over the coming weeks will feature a number of festivals. We are very pleased to say that the launch show tonight will be dedicated to The Wychwood Music Festival 2007. Neil and his team will be giving you a taster of some of the acts you'll be enjoying in less than a months time, as well as more info on the festival. So if you are around tonight anytime between 8.00pm-10.00pm do tune in! For how to do this, please follow this link: http://www.efestivals.co.uk/radio/ We hope you have a great Bank Holiday weekend. Next week we'll be revealing this year's Comedy line up and our feast of DJs at Club Wychwood. Best wishes The Festival Team - - Mike Godwin PS Today's Colemanball, specially for Stewart: "Scotland are staring down the barrel of a wooden spoon". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:22:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: REAP - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweeney Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:08 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: REAP >Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronaut Wally Schirra, 84. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18470469/ >Only Scott Carpenter and John Glenn remain of the original Mercury 7. Man, I'm getting old... I know what you mean. I'll probably watch my DVD copy of "The Right Stuff" tonight. My father ran a horizontal boring mill for a living, and he machined some of the parts for the Gemini program back in the mid-60's. Pretty secret stuff and his machine had security screens around it so no one could observe what the parts looked like that he was working on. MJ Bachman NP Johnny Griffin - The Congregation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:25:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: p.s. -- coachella On 5/2/07, Rex wrote: > > Apparently there was a lot of grousing about the starfuckery this year, at > least in the local press-- Paris Hilton climbing the Chili Peppers amps > and > suchlike. No! And sully the olympian integrity that is every molecule of the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Forsooth! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:54:14 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: REAP > Only Scott Carpenter and John Glenn remain of the original Mercury 7. Man, I'm getting old... Not sure I knew anyone was still going other than Glenn (and he doesn't look so hot), but this is still a bit wistful for me. As boys we used to consume stories of the Mercury 7 - no one had stones like those guys. Beyond cool. I wonder when I stopped caring? Probably about the time Lynda Carter began carbonating my hormones as 'Wonder Woman' and Intellivision came out. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:21:58 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: ReReap an impossible hot head and somewhat unstable so this doesn't surprise me. They compared him to Sgt. Hulka from Stripes. I thought Television were recording a new cd? Max >From: Rex >Reply-To: Rex >To: fegmaniax >Subject: ReReap >Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:15:15 -0700 > >From the Verlaine list: > >"After the scheduled show at the Summer stage in New York, Richard (Llloyd) >will >be severing his ties with Television, after 34 years." > >Pretty definitive and harsh after all this time. There were new songs and >everything. I guess the Soft Boys were ahead of the curve in terms of >re-breaking up... > >-Rex _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:18:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: REAP On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > My father ran a horizontal boring mill for a living There's gotta be a punchline to this... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:36:04 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: REAP - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of 2fs Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:18 AM To: You F*ckers Subject: Re: REAP On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> My father ran a horizontal boring mill for a living Jeff came back with: >There's gotta be a punchline to this... I'm sure he has heard plenty over the years. He was a top notch machinist though, and worked until he was almost 71 before his eyesight gave out due to diabetes. It's been really hard on him as he hasn't been able to drive a car the last few years due to his vision problems. MJB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:44:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: changed subject line On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of 2fs > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:18 AM > To: You F*ckers > Subject: Re: REAP > > On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > >> > >> My father ran a horizontal boring mill for a living > > Jeff came back with: > >There's gotta be a punchline to this... > > I'm sure he has heard plenty over the years. He was a top notch > machinist though, and worked until he was almost 71 before his eyesight > gave out due to diabetes. It's been really hard on him as he hasn't been > able to drive a car the last few years due to his vision problems. Physical labor can really take it out of you (not that that contributed here): my father-in-law was a punch-press operator, and the difference between his health and appearance just before he retired, and his general health now (aside from some recent, unrelated issues) is pretty astonishing. Just not beating his body up every day makes him seem ten years younger. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:38:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: reap < http://www.chicagotribune.com/search/trb/la-et-gilmore4may04,0,6327146.story > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:41:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: p.s. -- coachella >Read something in the celebrity section of the Chicago Sun-Times the other >day about Paris Hilton showing up at a Prince concert (think it was in >Vegas), getting called up on stage, then Prince saying something like, >"Let's see if she can sing," and leaving her flustered in front of a live >mike...until she skulked offstage. > I knew there was a reason I liked that guy... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 08:44:29 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls hey, if anyfeg is headed down to the decemberists show tonight, come and say, "what's up, beeyatch?", won't you? <"After the scheduled show at the Summer stage in New York, Richard (Llloyd) will be severing his ties with Television, after 34 years."> does his name really have three "L"s in it? dude, you just let slide a brilliant opportunity to use the word "penultimate" in a sentence. you'll be kickING yourself over that come sundown, my man, as these opportunities don't arise very fuckING often. holy shit! has there ever been a more witherING public attack upon one bandmember by another? obviously, saucier language has been used, but, anythING that cuts to the quick like this? i was surprised at how few of the new songs are being played. anyways, i find *all* of the records bland and boring; so i'll possibly love the new songs live as much as i love the olds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:54:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: News >I think a lot of people have heard that program, and done some google >searching. Seems that the average petrol price is 89p/l in the UK, and >one of the first searches that suggests itself on typing 0.89 is '0.89 >gbp per liter in usd per gallon'. > >(which is US$6.72/gallon) > Misled by NPR again...what else can you expect from the liberal media? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 18:13:24 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: reap - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Mai 2007 10:38:27 -0500 regarding reap: > < > http://www.chicagotribune.com/search/trb/la-et-gilmore4may04,0,6327146.st > ory I thought that had already been decided prior to season 7 ... anyway, for the most part season 7 sucked. I thought that the last few episodes were an improvement, but mainly because they already had a farewell theme, or so I thought. I ove many of the characters and will remember them for a long time, but I'd say it's a good time to end it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:35:46 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wraith Pinned to the Steak On 5/4/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > > Here's bass-player Brian > > Ritchie's comments on the situation: > > > > *"For the fans who rightfully are complaining about the Wendy's > > burger advertisement featuring Blister in the Sun, Gordon Gano is > > the publisher of the song and Warners is the record company. When > > they agree to use it there's nothing the rest of the band can do > > about it, because we don't own the song or the recording. > > That's not completely true: he may not be able to stop Gordon Gano > from leasing to song to Wendy''s, but he can certainly quit the band > to protest it (or have told Gano that he can either do the Wendy's > deal or keep him in the band). > > In fact, given the contempt Brian Ritchie seems to have for Gordon > Gano at this point, his decision not to quit VF seems just as craven > and whorish as Gano leasing the hooks of "BITS" to Wendy's. > Well, I can see your point...but it may not be that simple. The band is booked for shows through October of this year, at least (according to vfemmes.com): I imagine there's some contractual obligation involved. For all we know, tension between the two was only at a simmer until the Wendy's ad came out (and for all we know, Ritchie didn't even know about the ad until it was broadcast), and he really has no choice in the matter - other than breaking his contract and possibly being sued. Plus, given how integral his bass sound is to the band, I can imagine him weighing whether to quit, risk being sued, and have Gano rope in a ringer to play bass; or just finish the tour. In other words, if Ritchie's being "whorish," he's more a whore of necessity. I don't see that Gano had any compelling reason to sell the song to Wendy's (the catalog still sells, they're still able to make money touring, presumably). I get the feeling Ritchie's long viewed the Femmes as a day job, primarily: given that Gano always wanted to do his religious songs, and Ritchie's written songs clearly expressing his own atheism (Ritchie refused to do Gano's religious tracks at first, but gave in on the second album, essentially ceding leadership of the band at that point to its designated chief songwriter). So: is playing in a band whose "boss" you hate any more or less "whorish" than working in a small firm whose boss you hate - if the work itself is reasonably rewarding? Again, I think, there's that idealism attached to the working musician, that s/he should be somehow purer in action than the average working person. I'm really not sure I buy that. Anyway: the Femmes are a bit of a tragedy, in that Gano wrote nearly all of the band's best songs while still in high school (and that includes the best songs way out to like their sixth album, recorded years later), and seems never to have figured out how to write as an adult. There's probably no better "teen angst" album than the first Femmes' album - but you can't do that forever. They broke up for a time after the third album...probably should have stayed broken up. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:39:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap On 5/4/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Mai 2007 > 10:38:27 -0500 regarding reap: > > > < > > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/search/trb/la-et-gilmore4may04,0,6327146.st > > ory > > I thought that had already been decided prior to season 7 ... anyway, for > the most part season 7 sucked. I thought that the last few episodes were > an > improvement, but mainly because they already had a farewell theme, or so I > thought. I ove many of the characters and will remember them for a long > time, but I'd say it's a good time to end it. I'd say it would be a good time to end it, if they'd had time to write an ending. Anyway, I wouldn't say this season sucked - it was definitely different in tone, a bit more manic (if you can imagine that...) in that the wackiness seemed a bit less grounded in character and situation. I still enjoyed watching it, though. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:55:49 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... hi fegs, you know that geico commercial where the caveman sees the billboard for geico that says "so easy even a caveman could do it?" well, he's all upset about because he's really so smart, and calls to complain and starts talking about the 4' x 5' billboard. there's no way that billboard is 4' x 5' (it's too "widescreen" to be those dimensions). so i always think "you're not so fucking bright, caveman." but maybe it's just geico misrepresenting cavemen again. whenever did tv get so complicated. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:19:44 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls Stacked Crooked says: > <"After the scheduled show at the Summer stage in New York, Richard > (Llloyd) will be severing his ties with Television, after 34 years."> > > does his name really have three "L"s in it? that would be so badass. > > > dude, you just let slide a brilliant opportunity to use the word > "penultimate" in a sentence. you'll be kickING yourself over that come > sundown, my man, as these opportunities don't arise very fuckING often. i had a boyfriend who never missed such an opportunity. i think he even went out of his way to create synthetic opportunities (it wasn't difficult since in software and math, you end up itemizing things and there's always a penultimate item...) he had a special fondness for the word because once he had heard someone using it in a football-ish kind of way, like "oh yeah, that's the penultimate!!!!" only math major i knew who used a dictionary and "the elements of style" as often as his calculator. not surprisingly he drew a lot of enjoyment from my grammar and phrasing. but i never understood why he was laughing so the joke was on him. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: chick ducks kevin wrote: > >>You need a garage to park the car. > > Now that's what I call scientific observation. The expression on the duck's face in the accompanying picture is so pathetic: "y'know, I'm a duck. I spend half the day with my ass in the air as it is. But this is undignified even by my standards." ...which I hear in a Daffy Duck voice. Hey, this could explain why Daffy was in such a bad mood all the time ("It just fell off! It's usually longer than I am! Really!"). Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:41:31 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:20 PM To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls Stacked Crooked says: > <"After the scheduled show at the Summer stage in New York, Richard > (Llloyd) will be severing his ties with Television, after 34 years."> > > does his name really have three "L"s in it? Lauren came back with: >that would be so badass. I always liked the coolness factor of all the album titles by the Go-Betweens that had double "L" in them: "Send Me A Lullaby", "Before Hollywood", "Spring Hill Fair", "Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express", "Tallulah" "16 Lovers Lane"(aka 16LL), "Bellavista Terrace" and "Bright Yellow, Bright Orange". MJ Bachman NP Natasha St-Pier - Longueur d'ondes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:58:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... n 5/4/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > hi fegs, > > you know that geico commercial where the caveman sees the billboard > for geico that says "so easy even a caveman could do it?" well, he's > all upset about because he's really so smart, and calls to complain > and starts talking about the 4' x 5' billboard. there's no way that > billboard is 4' x 5' (it's too "widescreen" to be those dimensions). > so i always think "you're not so fucking bright, caveman." but maybe > it's just geico misrepresenting cavemen again. whenever did tv get so > complicated. Well, it may not be the caveman's fault. I mean, if the script says "four-foot by five-foot," then it should be up to the prop department to mock up an ad that's 4x5 - not about 3x5 or 2.5x5 as in the ad. So the caveman's just saying his lines...and possibly, that smug look on his face means, "idiot 'modern man' - can't even do up a billboard of the proper dimensions!" I suggest we all call Geico and complain. Of course, although I'd heard of the caveman ads before, this is the first time I actually saw one. What's it for again? Not that I care. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:03:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > - > > I always liked the coolness factor of all the album titles by the > Go-Betweens that had double "L" in them: > "Send Me A Lullaby", "Before Hollywood", "Spring Hill Fair", "Liberty > Belle and the Black Diamond Express", "Tallulah" "16 Lovers Lane"(aka > 16LL), "Bellavista Terrace" and "Bright Yellow, Bright Orange". You forget "The Flliends of Rachel Worth" and "Oceans Apllart"... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... >but maybe >it's just geico misrepresenting cavemen again. whenever did tv get so >complicated. > The Geico cavemen always remind me of a Neil Young review from way back that described him as a "Neanderthal sissy." Got a chuckle out of that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:26:35 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of 2fs Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:04 PM To: You F*ckers Subject: Re: When Eb rocks he rocks, and when Eb rolls he rolls On 5/4/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> - >> >> I always liked the coolness factor of all the album titles by the >> Go-Betweens that had double "L"'s in them: >> "Send Me A Lullaby", "Before Hollywood", "Spring Hill Fair", "Liberty >> Belle and the Black Diamond Express", "Tallulah" "16 Lovers Lane"(aka >> 16LL), "Bellavista Terrace" and "Bright Yellow, Bright Orange". Jeff wrote: >You forget "The Flliends of Rachel Worth" and "Oceans Apllart"... You bet it did! And I missed another as well, their 1985 comp collection, "Metal and Shells" or something like that. I never picked it up but it showed up in the Pazz and Jap poll for 1985. I wonder why they didn't spell TFORW "The Friends of Rachell Worth"? There's a perfect opportunity that Robert and Grant missed. On a sad note, this weekend marks the 1 year passing of Grant McLennan. MJB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:56:16 -0700 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... That commercial always makes me feel really bad. I mean, it uses the concept of unjust prejudice as a joke. I know it sounds silly to say this, but in the world of this commercial, there are "cavemen" who are actually as smart and capable as "modern man." And they are constantly being ridiculed as mentally insufficient, and the ridicule is socially acceptable though unwarranted and hurtful. It's actually a little painful to see. Or maybe I'm oversensitive. Poor caveman. V. On 5/4/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > hi fegs, > > you know that geico commercial where the caveman sees the billboard > for geico that says "so easy even a caveman could do it?" well, he's > all upset about because he's really so smart, and calls to complain > and starts talking about the 4' x 5' billboard. there's no way that > billboard is 4' x 5' (it's too "widescreen" to be those dimensions). > so i always think "you're not so fucking bright, caveman." but maybe > it's just geico misrepresenting cavemen again. whenever did tv get so > complicated. > > xo > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." > > - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... On Fri, 4 May 2007, vivien lyon wrote: > That commercial always makes me feel really bad. I mean, it uses the concept > of unjust prejudice as a joke. I know it sounds silly to say this, but in > the world of this commercial, there are "cavemen" who are actually as smart > and capable as "modern man." And they are constantly being ridiculed as > mentally insufficient, and the ridicule is socially acceptable though > unwarranted and hurtful. It's actually a little painful to see. > > Or maybe I'm oversensitive. > > Poor caveman. I know what you mean. I'm not hurt or offended by it, just kind of amazed that nobody's complained--if they used ANY living group of people in place of cavemen, well of course this never would have gotten very far at all. But everything I read about it praises it for its wit... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:58:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... On May 4, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2007, vivien lyon wrote: > >> >> Poor caveman. > > I know what you mean. I'm not hurt or offended by it, just kind of > amazed > that nobody's complained--if they used ANY living group of people > in place > of cavemen, well of course this never would have gotten very far at > all. > But everything I read about it praises it for its wit... http://www.myspace.com/justacaveman - -tc np: Brigette Bardot "The Best of Bardot" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:02:53 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: like you're dying to know what really bugs me.... 2fs says: > Well, it may not be the caveman's fault. I mean, if the script says > "four-foot by five-foot," then it should be up to the prop department to > mock up an ad that's 4x5 - not about 3x5 or 2.5x5 as in the ad. well, yes that why it bugs me so much. i imagine the ad's not cheap to make or run, so it seems really stupid to not go to the bother of getting it somewhat right. and then it seems if it's that stupid, maybe it's part of the joke. but i doubt it. as an aside, i think i read the caveman guy went to the oscars (or some such ceremony) but had to go in his caveman getup and whatever i was reading was saying, jeez, if the caveman guy is popular enough to send to the oscars, give the actor a night off . the cavemen ads seem really strange to me because they're some weird mixture of high-brow and low-brow. it's kind of like people who know something about when and when not to make fun of PC people, but only on a really simplistic level. i.e. assholes. (i of course make fun of PC folks only because i'm sensitive and sophisticated.) but i do have to say, the geico talking lizard is one of the few talking spokes-animals (animated or real) that doesn't bug the hell out of me - kind of a tall order, so i have to give geico credit for that one. i like him because he reminds of niles crane. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #191 ********************************