From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #173 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, April 22 2007 Volume 16 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: whitney music box [2fs ] Re: maps and legends [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: maps and legends [2fs ] Re: maps and legends ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Fun with your new programming language [David Witzany ] Re: Fun with your new programming language ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses) ["] Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) [Rex ] Re: Fun with your new programming language ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: whitney music box ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses ["La] ancient RH anecdote [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Fun with your new programming language ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: oopsy-doodle [Tom Clark ] No More E-Mails [Draad@aol.com] Re: maps and legends [Tom Clark ] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses) ["M] Re: ancient RH anecdote [Tom Clark ] Re: No More E-Mails [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses [Ben] Re: No More E-Mails [2fs ] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses [2fs] Re: No More E-Mails ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Can somebody please change the subject? [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses [Seb] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:10:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: whitney music box On 4/21/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > 2fs says: > > On 4/21/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > > > Cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now how do you expect me to get any work done? > > > > That is completely awesome - I could sit there watching and listening to > > that stuff all day. > > agreed. it's like a (mathematical) function that makes noise! > > (which may well be what music is, but what can i say - i'm slow and am > still trying to connect the dots...) I'm going to argue, somewhat, against the common notion that music is essentially audible mathematics. Yes, there certainly are mathematical ideas legible in music - but they're generally at a very basic level (meter and subdivisions of the beat; phrase lengths generally also being multiples of 2 and 4) or rather buried below the surface in a way that's difficult to really make much sense of (whether the naturally occurring overtone series influences what people hear as harmonious or discordant...seriously questioned by equal-temperament tuning (what we in the West hear almost exclusively), which shifts the pitch of the natural overtone series, in some cases fairly dramatically, to accommodate the ability to play in any key without fine-tuning the pitch - among other factors. I think the rest of music is much more akin to language, in that it's largely cultural in terms of the emotive meanings it tends to carry and, if not entirely arbitrary, certainly malleable. (What's meditative to an Indian sounded to some grumpy Western critics like an angry cat; what's sheer chaos to some folks is beautiful and free noise-rock to others.) If "math" is essentially a question of basic, whole-number ratios, there's *some* math to music...but that's about it. And actually, that website's a good example: it's fascinating, and interesting, and the music it produces is pretty cool in a sort of ambient-music way...but it absolutely doesn't sound like anything from the Western art-music tradition...which is where the whole "music is math" thing arose from, i believe. You can use math (and physics) to analyze the acoustics of music...but you can use the same tools to analyze nearly anything, including the acoustics of any sound whatsoever. What we hear as musical notes are, true, purer manifestations of a coherent overtone series than the shushing of corn in a breeze or a rock hitting a metal drainpipe - and their organization is basic-math in its metrics, true - but that's about the extent of it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:28:24 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: maps and legends - -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on 21. April 2007 16:50:45 -0400 regarding Re: maps and legends: > and anyway, prolog is just as much on topic as most other topics around > here ;) Right you are! > i'm actually learning it for a class (which i imagine is one of its > popular uses.) That's true. I was under the impression that you were past that stage, though. > it's seeming all backwards to me right now, but i guess that's what > you get for letting the french invent a programming language. Well, as I remember there are two main "dialects": Marseille and Edinburgh. But that may have changed in the meantime. Anyway, I think Prolog is only backwards when you abuse it. When you try to write a program like you would in another language, it *will* be backwards. > quote by b.a. sheil: "as practiced by computer science, the study of > programming is an unholy mixture of mathematics, literary criticism, > and folklore." I never *really* studied computer science, so I can't relate to that quote. Mathematics and folklore make sense, but how does literary criticism come into play? > p.s. in all seriousness, prolog's very interesting but unlike anything > i'm used to (e.g. fortran, pascal, c, java, lisp, I'm with you up to that (although I couldn't actually write a program in Fortran or LISP - I've forgotten almost everything about them). > ml (and at one > point, ugh, apl and snobol) I'm not sure I've even heard of those!? But I can counter with Modula-2 and Oberon. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f|r angewandte Informatik - Universitdtsweiter Service RRZK Universitdt zu Kvln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:34:26 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: maps and legends On 4/21/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on > 21. April 2007 16:50:45 -0400 regarding Re: maps and legends: > > > and anyway, prolog is just as much on topic as most other topics around > > here ;) > > R > > > p.s. in all seriousness, prolog's very interesting but unlike anything > > i'm used to (e.g. fortran, pascal, c, java, lisp, ml (and at one > > point, ugh, apl and snobol) > > I'm not sure I've even heard of those!? But I can counter with Modula-2 > and > Oberon. I'm fluent in Gibberish. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:55:17 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: maps and legends Sebastian says: > > i'm actually learning it for a class (which i imagine is one of its > > popular uses.) > > That's true. I was under the impression that you were past that stage, > though. i was, so naturally i went back to school. > > it's seeming all backwards to me right now, but i guess that's what > > you get for letting the french invent a programming language. > > Well, as I remember there are two main "dialects": Marseille and Edinburgh. > But that may have changed in the meantime. Anyway, I think Prolog is only > backwards when you abuse it. When you try to write a program like you would > in another language, it *will* be backwards. i'm using swi-prolog which claims to be of the edinburgh tradition. i'm still at the point where i'm trying to do an internal translation of any prolog i see into another programming language or into a mathematical statement (i.e. i'm in no way "thinking in prolog.") > > quote by b.a. sheil: "as practiced by computer science, the study of > > programming is an unholy mixture of mathematics, literary criticism, > > and folklore." > > I never *really* studied computer science, so I can't relate to that quote. > Mathematics and folklore make sense, but how does literary criticism come > into play? i take the "literary criticism" part to be how every programmer likes what languages he likes, is likely to be very opinionated, and will argue and "meta" everything to put his prejudices across to other programmers. > I'm with you up to that (although I couldn't actually write a program in > Fortran fortran is actually unforgettable. it has like three constructs. you just need someone to force you to write in it. > I'm not sure I've even heard of those!? But I can counter with Modula-2 and > Oberon. i've not heard of oberon; i'll look it up. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:49:26 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Fun with your new programming language Lisp (Scheme (actually) ) was the bane of my school days. I hope you get to play with SQL--4GL is neato bosso. And lots of people will hire you if you speak it. - --------------------------------------- Thus spake Lauren Elizabeth: p.s. in all seriousness, prolog's very interesting but unlike anything i'm used to (e.g. fortran, pascal, c, java, lisp, ml (and at one point, ugh, apl and snobol) which are all examples of imperative or functional languages.) - ---------------------------------------- Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:08:04 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Fun with your new programming language David Witzany says: > Lisp (Scheme (actually) ) was the bane of my school days. heresy! were you forced to take programming? i thought everyone adores lisp. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:59:01 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: maps and legends 2fs says: > I'm fluent in Gibberish. sign language? morse code? semaphore? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:17:04 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" Eddie sez: >I said: <> >sentence! you've got about 100 words, three (count 'em!) sets of ellipses, >triple-nested parentheses, mathematical symbols, some latin, a colon, a >fleetwood mac reference... to paraphrase bart simpson watching the >broadway production of *Planet Of The Apes*: this sentence has everything! Thanks! Not to mention the approx. 2% RH content, so I'm still list-friendly... Michael Sweeney Publicly weaving complex, road-map sentences (and getting paid for it!) since about 1978... _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:39:00 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Last (?) Gun Post Ferris buellered: >Michael Sweeney wrote: >>Michael Sweeney >>Still ticked off (tangentially) at the seemingly random upirical rulings >>at the Cubs' loss I attended today (nice weather, though...). >Aw, c'mon. You shut out the Braves here on Thursday. Isn't that something? Yepper -- then we shut out the hated Cardinals today...so all is right in my world again* Michael Sweeney *Except for the heinous sunburn I caught along the first base line yesterday... _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:45:02 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) kevin said: >>What's the worst school masturbation tragedy on record? >> >>-Rex >I've heard suggestions that it might be Give My Regards To Broad St. Nah -- that was strictly PROFESSIONAL masturbation. No mitigating school immaturity can be claimed -- and not many survivors could be dragged from that wreckage, either... Michael Sweeney Macca: Love him; mock him. Admire him; be disappointed by him. Sister; daughter... _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:51:21 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) On 4/21/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > kevin said: > > >>What's the worst school masturbation tragedy on record? > >> > >>-Rex > > >I've heard suggestions that it might be Give My Regards To Broad St. > > Nah -- that was strictly PROFESSIONAL masturbation. > Wait - there's such a thing as *professional* masturbation? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:50:07 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses) The Mike on the list with the last name closest to my own posted: >Reminder.... >BJORK is on SNL tonight. ...and speaking of "possible Masturbatory uses," the host(ess) is Scarlett J. I know where I'll be at 10:30 PM CDST... Michael Sweeney Chicago Bulls box scores and stories these days always make me do a double take over "Michael Sweetney" _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:03:00 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) On 4/21/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 4/21/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > > kevin said: > > > > >>What's the worst school masturbation tragedy on record? > > >> > > >>-Rex > > > > >I've heard suggestions that it might be Give My Regards To Broad St. > > > > Nah -- that was strictly PROFESSIONAL masturbation. > > > > Wait - there's such a thing as *professional* masturbation? Yes, and bountiful evidence is only a mouse-click away. Indeed, one of the only non-torture-and-gore-oriented movies to hit theatres over the past few weeks was "Exterminating Angels"... which sounds gory, but... I remember exactly one scene of "Broad Street" from the early days of HBO, before I knew from ex-Beatles: something goes horribly awry and Paul imagines an impoverished future, busking a peppy version of "Yesterday" on the street. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:16:38 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fun with your new programming language trying to think of all the ones I've programmed in: basics (many), bcpl, cobol, fortran (V, 77, 90 and 95), perl, forth, shell, icon, z80 assembler (self modifying code -- whee!), draco, pascal, modula-2, 6809e assembler, c (only when absolutely unavoidable), RPL, javascript, python (ack!), SQL (does that count as a language?), sed (hey, it's turing-complete!), and my absolute favourite - PostScript. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:17:28 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: whitney music box that was quite amazing! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:49:49 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: whitney music box Jeff said: >On 4/21/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: >> >>Cool >> >> >Now how do you expect me to get any work done? >That is completely awesome - I could sit there watching and listening to >that stuff all day. Wow -- very cool, indeed. And to think I foolishly passed by Steve's original post (thinking, I don't know what? -- maybe it had something to do with Whitney Houston and "Music Box Dancer"?)... Michael "D'Oh!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:23:02 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses Sweeney says: > I know where I'll be at 10:30 PM CDST... killing an hour before SNL comes on? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:38:40 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: ancient RH anecdote So I was catching up with an old friend whom I've known since high school, though her family moved to LA before she graduated, and she told me a story about an RH concert in LA that I can't remember her ever telling me before. This was probably 1986, when she was a crazy gorgeous blonde 15 year old, completely at home wherever she found herself (which she still is. It's fun to watch that charm at work.) Anyway, she and her older brother went to see Robyn at an outdoor stadium, and since it was general seating and they wanted good seats, they got there something like 4 hours early when the place was deserted. Of course they went to the backstage area, and as people started arriving, everyone just assumed that Kathy and Bill belonged there. The two of them spent the whole show, from sound check on, wandering freely backstage, checking out the sound booth, etc. She talked to Robyn, who insisted on calling her Bertha, and chatted for a while with Peter Buck, though she had no idea who he was. He mentioned his "other band" and how different it was playing with Robyn, and when she talked to her music-store clerk boyfriend back East the next day (the guy who, btw, is responsible for introducing my whole highschool friend-group to Robyn) he was like, um, that was PETER BUCK. The kicker is that she introduced the opening band, the Fibonaccis. They told her what to say (something about a band that would paint your car, any color, anytime - The Fibonnacis!). I'm curious - do any of the West Coast fegs perchance remember this show? Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:41:59 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Fun with your new programming language Stewart says: > trying to think of all the ones I've programmed in: basics (many), bcpl, > cobol, fortran (V, 77, 90 and 95), perl, forth, shell, icon, z80 > assembler (self modifying code -- whee!), draco, pascal, modula-2, 6809e > assembler, c (only when absolutely unavoidable), RPL, javascript, python > (ack!), SQL (does that count as a language?), sed (hey, it's > turing-complete!), and my absolute favourite - PostScript. an interesting list. i hear you on c (does *that* count as a language?) re: "'hey, it's turing-complete" ha. ha. if you've programmed in something that isn't, i *definitely* want to hear about that. sql - nah, too practical. i side with oscar wilde on his love of useless things: "we can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. the only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely." from dorian grey, the preface i believe. i sent a variant of this to someone offlist, but *clearly* there's a market onlist. http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/foot.htm xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:49:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: ancient RH anecdote On 4/21/07, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > > > I'm curious - do any of the West Coast fegs perchance remember this show? Three years before I moved here, and I didn't acually see Robyn live until the Perspex tour. I wonder what the venue was, and I didn't know Peter had actually toured as a band member around that time. Cool story. I'm still a little pissed off that, when I saw R.E.M. in West Virginia circa "Green" for my "first real concert", we got the Indigo Girls as an opener instead of the Egyptians, who opened on a lot of other dates on that tour. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:52:47 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: oopsy-doodle On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:40 AM, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: > Here's some fun 90's rock from cub: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKThNh5Vqk&mode=related&search= They're cute and all, but as soon as I saw the shots of the Twin Towers I had to bail. - -tc, still in denial ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:59:13 EDT From: Draad@aol.com Subject: No More E-Mails Please do not send me any more E-mails. I do not know how to get off your list. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:16:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: maps and legends On Apr 21, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have > mumbled on 21. April 2007 16:50:45 -0400 regarding Re: maps and > legends: > >> quote by b.a. sheil: "as practiced by computer science, the study of >> programming is an unholy mixture of mathematics, literary criticism, >> and folklore." > > I never *really* studied computer science, so I can't relate to > that quote. Mathematics and folklore make sense, but how does > literary criticism come into play? Ever attend a code review with an overly-pedantic engineer? Brace placement? Variable naming? Comment structure? Some of the things my group at Apple is responsible for are developer technotes and sample code, and they go through a lot of scrutiny before being released. Sometimes we just have to say "enough" with the formatting and style issues and push the stuff out. >> ml (and at one >> point, ugh, apl and snobol) > > I'm not sure I've even heard of those!? But I can counter with > Modula-2 and Oberon. Ugh indeed - Modula-2 was the language we used in my CS101 class some 20 years ago. It actually was quite helpful in that it is a strongly typed procedural language with some of the modular aspects of the popular object oriented languages. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:39:25 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses) The list's OTHER Michael Swe(etc.) wrote: >Reminder.... >BJORK is on SNL tonight. >I have heard her new Single "Earth Intruders" and it is Bjork. Really liked that one (her first song tonight) -- kinda like avant/art-rock/burundi Gwen Stefani. Michael Sweeney (Plus, it's late..I wanted something else to read...and thought I'd try to trigger a new digest) _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:42:33 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: ancient RH anecdote On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:38 PM, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > I'm curious - do any of the West Coast fegs perchance remember this > show? I'm thinking this was the Globe of Frogs tour of 1989. AFAIK that's the first tour that my buddy Peter helped out with. - -tc, it's Mai Tai's tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: No More E-Mails How'd you get on? On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 Draad@aol.com wrote: > Please do not send me any more E-mails. I do not know how to get off your > list. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Sweeney says: > > I know where I'll be at 10:30 PM CDST... > > killing an hour before SNL comes on? Isn't all network TV shifted an hour early in the Central zone? ("10, 9 central.") Why is that anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:58:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: No More E-Mails On 4/21/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > How'd you get on? > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 Draad@aol.com wrote: > > > Please do not send me any more E-mails. I do not know how to get off > your > > list. If he were a professional masturbator, he'd at least know how to get off. (Probably some aol newbie left his account signed on at a public terminal...but why sub him to us? Confess: whodunnit? Last time I ran into one of those - someone leaving themselves logged on to a public terminal - I just sent them an e-mail from themselves, saying something like, "Hi. You might think I'm you, but I'm not. Guess why." Actually I might have been more polite and told them that they'd left themself logged on...and that they were lucky I was an honest guy and not a roving ID thief.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses On 4/21/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > Sweeney says: > > > I know where I'll be at 10:30 PM CDST... > > > > killing an hour before SNL comes on? > > Isn't all network TV shifted an hour early in the Central zone? ("10, 9 > central.") Why is that anyway? Well, if everything were on at the same real time, shows at 6pm in LA would be on at 10pm in NYC, and the whole concept of "prime time" would fly out the window. Networks want to broadcast shows at relatively the same time, so similar audiences will watch them so advertisers can anticipate the demographic. So there are two (or more?) network feeds, timeshifted generally so east and west coast shows are on at the same clock time. Central, of course, is an hour earlier by the clock. And then there's Mountain...the forgotten time zone. (Anyone actually in the industry feel free to correct my assumptions, which probably make an ass out of u and mptions.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:37:46 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: No More E-Mails Draad@aol.com says: > Please do not send me any more E-mails. I do not know how to get off your > list. this makes it sound like list membership is optional. xo p.s. http://www.fegmania.org/fegmaniax.html - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Can somebody please change the subject? Capuchin wrote: > > There are plenty of guns in Oregon, too. > > But we don't have extreme weather or bugs here. I was wondering about the bugs (for my "Portland: pro and con" list)! It is so very damp - - aren't mosquitos a problem? Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:22 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 22. April 2007 00:02:01 -0500 regarding Re: Bjork on SNL (100% non-RH & non-Guns, possible Masturbatory uses: > Well, if everything were on at the same real time, shows at 6pm in LA > would be on at 10pm in NYC, Ehm, that would be 9pm, wouldn't it? > and the whole concept of "prime time" would > fly out the window. Networks want to broadcast shows at relatively the > same time, so similar audiences will watch them so advertisers can > anticipate the demographic. > > So there are two (or more?) network feeds, timeshifted generally so east > and west coast shows are on at the same clock time. That's the topic of the Studio 60 episode "The West Coast Delay". It's a live show, like SNL, but on the west coast it's aired three hours later. When they realise they have aired a sketch that's a plagiarism they have to perform a replacement sketch live for the other coast. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #173 ********************************