From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #171 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 20 2007 Volume 16 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) ["m swedene" ] Re: Machismo Festapalooza [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) [kevin ] Re: Heinlein [kevin ] Re: Machismo Festapalooza [kevin ] Re: Jansch/"we're in luck"/There's a word/Quizzes [grutness@slingshot.co.] Re: Jansch/"we're in luck"/There's a word/Quizzes [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Unnecessary addenda to gun debate [Rex ] Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) [Rex ] Re: Machismo Festapalooza [Rex ] Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Can somebody please change the subject? [Rex ] touched by god (was Re: Machismo Festapalooza) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Limbo cancelled [2fs ] Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: Limbo cancelled ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:00:18 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) Guns and masturbation? is there a difference? Kind of like "whanking" guitar solos for cheese metal songs. discuss.... On 4/20/07, 2fs wrote: > On 4/20/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > 2fs says: > > > Kids these days. Why when I was a young whippersnapper, when I got > > bored, > > > I'd just masturbate. > > > > and now that you're older? > > > I write about guns. > > Obviously. > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:27:39 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza > > I don't think "Fight Club" is a terrible film, but I don't see >God in it the > > way people like you do. > >Did I mention it was a religious experience? Oddly, my favorite films happen >to be "Wings of Desire," "Apocalypse Now," and "Blade Runner," all which do >have religious themes, and movies in which I suppose I do see "God." Not, >however, in "Fight Club." With me, Wings of Desire and 2001:A Space Odyssey. Again, both very "religious" films. No way I can see "God" in Fight Club, though. Good film 'n' all, and eminently quotable, but no religious angle, no. I prefer the idea that it's what happened when Calvin, Hobbes, and Susie grew up. James ("Sliiiide") - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:40:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) Ever read Zappa's observations on the subject? Very entertaining stuff. Spoo! - -----Original Message----- >From: m swedene >Sent: Apr 20, 2007 3:00 PM >To: 2fs >Cc: Lauren Elizabeth , "a sweet little > cupcake...baked by the devil!" >Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) > >Guns and masturbation? > >is there a difference? > >Kind of like "whanking" guitar solos for cheese metal songs. > >discuss.... > >On 4/20/07, 2fs wrote: >> On 4/20/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >> > >> > 2fs says: >> > > Kids these days. Why when I was a young whippersnapper, when I got >> > bored, >> > > I'd just masturbate. >> > >> > and now that you're older? >> >> >> I write about guns. >> >> Obviously. >> >> >> -- >> >> ...Jeff Norman >> >> The Architectural Dance Society >> http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:45:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Heinlein I have been wondering lately if anybody's likely to option the RAH novella "If This Goes On," where (the former) America has become a theocracy ruled by cynical hypocrites, until the inevitable reaction. You could get a nifty little movie out of that... As many objections to Heinlein's stuff as I have, I've always appreciated his take on the curious expressions the religious impulse has taken in our national life. - -----Original Message----- >From: The Great Quail >Sent: Apr 19, 2007 8:17 AM >To: Fegmaniax! >Subject: Heinlein > >> Well, my wife's reason is that in seemingly all of his books, there's some >> wise old guy who, somehow, ends up in bed with a young, gloriously sexy >> young woman, whose sexuality seems suspiciously calibrated to fulfill male >> sexual fantasies rather than more realistically representing actual young >> women's sexualities. > >Yeah, there's definitely that! Also, almost all of his female characters >seem possessed by one main drive: to have lots of sex, then settle down with >a nice man and make babies. > >Granted, as his fiction evolved, his portrayal of women became less sexist >in a 1950s way. Also, I can excuse him because his portrayal of men was >equally as ludicrous at times. But there always remained the sense that >women were at their most happy when they were pregnant, and when a man was >ultimately in charge. > >Nevertheless, he was an amazing writer (in terms of ideas, at least), >especially in his day -- some of his notions about politics, social >structure, and sexuality are still controversial and shocking. I keep >expecting him to finally get his due as a political satirist ala Philip K. >Dick, but that seems increasingly unlikely.... > >--Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza Favorite religious film: Fellini Satyricon. - -----Original Message----- >From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz >Sent: Apr 20, 2007 3:27 PM >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza > >> > I don't think "Fight Club" is a terrible film, but I don't see >>God in it the >> > way people like you do. >> >>Did I mention it was a religious experience? Oddly, my favorite films happen >>to be "Wings of Desire," "Apocalypse Now," and "Blade Runner," all which do >>have religious themes, and movies in which I suppose I do see "God." Not, >>however, in "Fight Club." > >With me, Wings of Desire and 2001:A Space Odyssey. Again, both very >"religious" films. No way I can see "God" in Fight Club, though. Good >film 'n' all, and eminently quotable, but no religious angle, no. I >prefer the idea that it's what happened when Calvin, Hobbes, and >Susie grew up. > >James ("Sliiiide") >-- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:15:52 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Jansch/"we're in luck"/There's a word/Quizzes >Yes, I saw it in the paper last week. Along with the Jackson C Frank >covers, songs from Jansch's first album were 'standards' in the folk >club repertoire of 60s non-finger-in-ear performers. As was Davey >Graham's 'Anji', not to mention 'Black Waterside'. Oh and songs by an >up and coming songwriter who carefully avoided mentioning that he was >from Hibbing Minnesota... reminds me of a Billy Connoly monologue about "play 'Needle of death'!" > >Incidentally, I see that Jansch is playing at Somerset House during the >summer with Bernard Butler and Beth Orton. > Dammit. There are times when the other side of the world is just too damn far away... >Me, too...Same age, same thoughts (except I DO feel old these days), same >amazement at how long Lennon's been gone (as long as I had lived at the time >of his death + 50%...yikes), same theory of measuring time by looking >backwards (and applying it to music, too: ie. someone in 1980 whose favorite >music was from 1953 would have been hopelessly stuck in the past...and here >I am, still ranking "London Calling" and "Tusk" (and, in retrospect (cuz I >didn't know it at the time) "Underwater Moonlight") among my tops...sigh). Coincidentally, I've just been playing "Tusk" for the first time in years - I'd forgotten what an astonishing album it is. It shouldn't work, but it does. As to Lennon's death, yup - still recall exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard. The difference to some extent between 1980 to no and the 1953 analogy is that 1953 was in the years BR (Before rock). Listening to Frankie Laine or Kay Starr in 1980 seems far more out of place than listening to The Beatles during the 1990s. It is in part an age thing, sure, but there was such a huge generational change in music circa 1955-57 that you can't put it down to only that. >i tend not to like wordplay but i like when things get mixed up and >the latter seems to win out in this case. > >unsurprisingly, i've been known to say things like: >"that came out of left air." >"he was giving me the cold foot." To tie this into the previous point, these are - around my neck of the woods - called "Ringoisms" (Hence the titles "A hard day's night" and "Tomorrow never knows", which started out with offhand remarks that Rigo made). In sport, partiicularly in the UK, they're called either Murray Walkerisms or Colemanballs (a US equivalent would probably be Yogi Berra). Have a look at . J18 guitarists correct, 23 album covers, plus 7 more artists but not titles. For some reason, I thought the Def Leppard one was Iron Maiden, and their copy of Electric Ladyland has a different cover to the copy I've got. Oddly weighted quiz... Jamess - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Jansch/"we're in luck"/There's a word/Quizzes grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > their copy of Electric Ladyland has a different cover to > the copy I've got. Oddly weighted quiz... They didn't use the naked women in the US (and apparently Jimi didn't like that cover anyways.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Ladyland#Release_and_reception "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:34:43 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Can somebody please change the subject? Marc Alberts says: > Is there really a bar in the greater Bay Area that doesn't serve Maker's > Mark? In a good number of Seattle restaurants (on the higher end, but still > moving downscale as we speak), Maker's is the well bourbon. Heck, in my > favorite bar here, they have moved to Basil Hayden's as their mixing bourbon > of choice. > > Damn--5:50am and I want a sip. This is gonna be a long day. this gave me an excuse to look up an old letter of my father's (when my aunt in CA died, somehow i came into possession of a box of letters my father wrote to her while she was in college and he was in the army stationed in germany in the late 1950's.) and i quote: "something terribly momentous took place in my life tonight and for all you can tell, may change its course completely. i've switched to bourbon!! !!! yes, after a six year close relationship with johnny walker scotch i've made a break, and much as i hate to admit it, the new stuff tastes pretty good. this isn't to say it's a permanent thing for roots like that aren't easily deracinated. nonetheless, i thought i'd better let all my friends know about it before i get back for just imagine the consequences of their ignorance. jane and i out for the first time, i order bourbon and water and right away jane thinks i'm an imposter, that the real r.j. was kidnapped by commies and replaced by their mr. chameleon type spy. terrible, eh? now you'll understand why i thought it best to let all know. i'd appreciate it if you'd do your part for naturally i can't let everyone know. perhaps i should send out formal announcements." i'm sure you're wondering how the story ends, and i'll just say: - - my mother's name is elizabeth - - he went back to scotch xo - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Heinlein Ever read "Job: A Comedy of Justice"? On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, kevin wrote: > I have been wondering lately if anybody's likely to option the RAH novella "If This Goes On," where (the former) America has become a theocracy ruled by cynical hypocrites, until the inevitable reaction. You could get a nifty little movie out of that... > > As many objections to Heinlein's stuff as I have, I've always > appreciated his take on the curious expressions the religious impulse > has taken in our national life. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: The Great Quail > >Sent: Apr 19, 2007 8:17 AM > >To: Fegmaniax! > >Subject: Heinlein > > > >> Well, my wife's reason is that in seemingly all of his books, there's some > >> wise old guy who, somehow, ends up in bed with a young, gloriously sexy > >> young woman, whose sexuality seems suspiciously calibrated to fulfill male > >> sexual fantasies rather than more realistically representing actual young > >> women's sexualities. > > > >Yeah, there's definitely that! Also, almost all of his female characters > >seem possessed by one main drive: to have lots of sex, then settle down with > >a nice man and make babies. > > > >Granted, as his fiction evolved, his portrayal of women became less sexist > >in a 1950s way. Also, I can excuse him because his portrayal of men was > >equally as ludicrous at times. But there always remained the sense that > >women were at their most happy when they were pregnant, and when a man was > >ultimately in charge. > > > >Nevertheless, he was an amazing writer (in terms of ideas, at least), > >especially in his day -- some of his notions about politics, social > >structure, and sexuality are still controversial and shocking. I keep > >expecting him to finally get his due as a political satirist ala Philip K. > >Dick, but that seems increasingly unlikely.... > > > >--Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:43:20 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Unnecessary addenda to gun debate On 4/20/07, 2fs wrote: > > > That said, I do think we have a huge violence problem, and not just among > malfunctioning individuals. As it happens, at lunch I was reading the > movie > reviews from this week's _Onion_...and seemingly every movie was about > torture, kidnapping, murder, decapitation, or just driving really really > fast. Yeah, I've noticed this, too. Alarmists always point to this and that extreme example of film and TV violence, but at this moment, I wouldn't argue with them. Interestingly, the blood and guts thing seems to apply both to lowbrow and highfaluting films and culture. Or myabe that's just what you get when you're at war for four years. Dunno. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:44:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) On 4/20/07, m swedene wrote: > > Guns and masturbation? > > is there a difference? Masturbation never killed thirty-some people? At least at once? What's the worst school masturbation tragedy on record? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:51:44 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza On 4/20/07, Barbara Soutar wrote: > > The Great Quail accused Rex of ruining the Feglist thusly: > > "It's bad enough you drove Eb off the list; it's bad enough that your > CONSTANT idiotic blathering has dragged the Feglist down into the thickets > of mediocrity..." > > Thickets of mediocrity? Au contraire! Lots of intellent banter and it > just keeps on coming. Yes, record numbers of digests and folks rejoining after years in the wilderness... I think the list is pretty healthy. And no matter how much I may or may not blather idiotically, I really don't think I have the power to derail the whole train. Even the posts and contributors who don't light my fire are clearly not *idiotic". Once again, matter of taste, innit? Until the perfect the medocritometer, anyway. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:52:49 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) Rex says: > Masturbation never killed thirty-some people? At least at once? no, but it's blinded so very many. > What's the worst school masturbation tragedy on record? actually my sister taught high school for many years and man, she has some stories. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:56:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza On 4/20/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > I don't think "Fight Club" is a terrible film, but I don't see > >God in it the > > > way people like you do. > > > >Did I mention it was a religious experience? Oddly, my favorite films > happen > >to be "Wings of Desire," "Apocalypse Now," and "Blade Runner," all which > do > >have religious themes, and movies in which I suppose I do see "God." Not, > >however, in "Fight Club." > > With me, Wings of Desire and 2001:A Space Odyssey. Again, both very > "religious" films. Oh, 2001 for me , too. First film I ever saw in repertory... I'd seen it on video, but on the big screen it was amazing. No way I can see "God" in Fight Club, though. Good > film 'n' all, and eminently quotable, but no religious angle, To clarify, I used the expression "to see God in something" idiomatically, to mean "to find profound truth and meaning" in that thing, or have life-altering experience as a result of it. I thought it was common usage. Maybe it's a semi-southern idiom and I just didn't realize it (although if it were, Michael Stipe would've probably used it as a lyric long ago (or maybe he did and we just can't tell)). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:59:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Can somebody please change the subject? On 4/20/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Marc Alberts says: > > Is there really a bar in the greater Bay Area that doesn't serve Maker's > > Mark? In a good number of Seattle restaurants (on the higher end, but > still > > moving downscale as we speak), Maker's is the well bourbon. Heck, in my > > favorite bar here, they have moved to Basil Hayden's as their mixing > bourbon > > of choice. > > > > Damn--5:50am and I want a sip. This is gonna be a long day. > > this gave me an excuse to look up an old letter of my father's (when > my aunt in CA died, somehow i came into possession of a box of letters > my father wrote to her while she was in college and he was in the army > stationed in germany in the late 1950's.) > > and i quote: > "something terribly momentous took place in my life tonight and for > all you can tell, may change its course completely. i've switched to > bourbon!! !!! yes, after a six year close relationship with johnny > walker scotch i've made a break, and much as i hate to admit it, the > new stuff tastes pretty good. this isn't to say it's a permanent > thing for roots like that aren't easily deracinated. nonetheless, i > thought i'd better let all my friends know about it before i get back > for just imagine the consequences of their ignorance. jane and i out > for the first time, i order bourbon and water and right away jane > thinks i'm an imposter, that the real r.j. was kidnapped by commies > and replaced by their mr. chameleon type spy. terrible, eh? now > you'll understand why i thought it best to let all know. i'd > appreciate it if you'd do your part for naturally i can't let everyone > know. perhaps i should send out formal announcements." > > i'm sure you're wondering how the story ends, and i'll just say: > - my mother's name is elizabeth > - he went back to scotch Beautiful post, Lauren. I love stuff like this. Ah, dads and liquor... of such stuff is life made. Thanks, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:02:15 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: the horror! http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,478171,00.html this is actually so bizarrely disturbed that it's making me laugh*. upon further investigation, maybe his "keeper" is about to flip his wig? http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,476566,00.html well, we know who to suspect if little knut is found "hurled against a wall" !!!!! xo * don't call the authorities - i'm sure it's only a defense mechanism. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:31:30 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: touched by god (was Re: Machismo Festapalooza) Rex says: > Oh, 2001 for me , too. First film I ever saw in repertory... I'd seen it > on video, but on the big screen it was amazing. i have spotty but strong memory of first seeing "2001" when i was about 7. i thought it dreadfully important that i see it. i remember my mom stopping the station wagon outside of craig s.'s house to pick him up to go to the theatre. craig and i had gotten in a fight that day and my mom had to smooth it over between us before the movie. in my memory, my mom didn't go to the movie with us but rather just dropped us off and picked us up later, but when i give it half a thought, i imagine she must have gone in with us. i was confused by the ending. i still am. and hal still breaks my heart a bit. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:28:00 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Limbo cancelled Regarding our discussion about innocence: Now that Limbo has been eliminated from the heavens, where are all those unbaptized babies going to go? (see Reuters story) Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070420/ts_nm/pope_limbo_dc Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries By Philip Pullella /Fri Apr 20, 2:21 PM ET/ VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, the place where centuries of tradition and teaching held that babies who die without baptism went. In a long-awaited document, the Church's International Theological Commission said limbo reflected an "unduly restrictive view of salvation." The 41-page document was published on Friday by Origins, the documentary service of the U.S.-based Catholic News Service, which is part of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Pope Benedict , himself a top theologian who before his election in 2005 expressed doubts about limbo, authorized the publication of the document, called "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised." The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The document was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century. "The conclusion of this study is that there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in revelation," it said. "There are reasons to hope that God will save these infants precisely because it was not possible (to baptize them)." The Church teaches that baptism removes original sin which stains all souls since the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:47:22 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Limbo cancelled On 4/20/07, Barbara Soutar wrote: > > Regarding our discussion about innocence: > > Now that Limbo has been eliminated from the heavens, where are all those > unbaptized babies going to go? (see Reuters story) > > Barbara Soutar > Victoria, BC > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070420/ts_nm/pope_limbo_dc And in other news, the Council of Unicorn Watchers has decreed that unicorn horns each include precisely 14 rotations, breaking a centuries-long standstill over those who asserted 14 rotations versus those who insisted there were 16. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:49:51 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" there was a poll a while back in which 75% of respondents thought that the phrase "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" is from the declaration of independence. make of it what you will. i, for one, cannot conceive of any reason (save, i suppose, "life isn't fair" -- which isn't a *good* reason) why like effort should not be rewarded with like remuneration. actually, it was 9/14/01 which had seven. but yesterday appears to have set a new record. damn! congrats, dude! i've just been watching the spike lee documentary, as it happens. of course (and not to harsh your buzz too much, but), if and are more less accurate, your timing is kind of awful. sentence! you've got about 100 words, three (count 'em!) sets of ellipses, triple-nested parentheses, mathematical symbols, some latin, a colon, a fleetwood mac reference... to paraphrase bart simpson watching the broadway production of *Planet Of The Apes*: this sentence has everything! sounds like a monty python sketch! where else but georgia, eh? the crime-rate was dropping nationwide during the same time-period. the book *Freakonomics* claims it was due to the passage of roe vs. wade keeping future criminals off the streets. i remember thinking i had a problem with the authors' logic, but can't remember what that problem was. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Limbo cancelled Barbara Soutar says: > Regarding our discussion about innocence: > > Now that Limbo has been eliminated from the heavens, where are all those > unbaptized babies going to go? (see Reuters story) thanks for the post. limbo (and its cancellation) gets a lot of mention is my neck of the woods. there was some weird percentage of catholics at my old job and my father was raised catholic. but fortunately they are all the type of catholics who like to sit around making jokes about catholics. or are all catholics like that? xo p.s. did anyone see the "curb your enthusiasm" where cheryl and larry go to the baptism? i can't remember if cheryl's catholic but she's catholic enough next to larry (who tried to save the person from being drowned and then gets accused of trying to convert everyone to judaism.) there was also a good episode in which larry hires nativity scene actors to make up for accidentally eating cheryl's family's homemade nativity scene cookies (cheryl's sister: "you ate the baby jesus!!!! larry: "baby jesus? i thought it was a monkey!") - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #171 ********************************