From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #170 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 20 2007 Volume 16 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Drake covers Jansch [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Machismo Festapalooza [Rex ] Davy Graham in the C21st [matt sewell ] Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Machismo Festapalooza [Barbara Soutar ] Last (?) Gun Post [FSThomas ] Re: [kevin ] there's a word for that? ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: maps and legends [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: there's a word for that? [kevin ] Re: Last (?) Gun Post [kevin ] Re: Arcade Fire [kevin ] Re: maps and legends [FSThomas ] RE: Last (?) Gun Post ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Unnecessary addenda to gun debate [2fs ] masturbation thread (was Re: ) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: More ways to pass the workday on the Internet [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:41:01 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Drake covers Jansch > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:34:35 -0500 > From: "Michael Wells" > Subject: re: Nick Drake family tree > re: Nick Drake family tree: > 5. Winter Is Gone (Traditional, arr: Nick Drake) > 8. Strolling Down the Highway (Bert Jansch) > 15. If You Leave Me (Dave Van Ronk) > Wow! This is something to look forward to. MRG, did you know about > the Jansch > cover? Michael Yes, I saw it in the paper last week. Along with the Jackson C Frank covers, songs from Jansch's first album were 'standards' in the folk club repertoire of 60s non-finger-in-ear performers. As was Davey Graham's 'Anji', not to mention 'Black Waterside'. Oh and songs by an up and coming songwriter who carefully avoided mentioning that he was from Hibbing Minnesota... Incidentally, I see that Jansch is playing at Somerset House during the summer with Bernard Butler and Beth Orton. - - Mike 'if it wasn't for the NHS I wouldn't be here' Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:44:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza On 4/19/07, The Great Quail wrote: > > > You tend to use absolute phrasing. "This sucks," and opposed to "I think > this sucks because..." That's wrong. Other people have pointed out to you that I use very conditional language, specific to my opinions. You just can't see it through your blind distaste for me. > > I don't think "Fight Club" is a terrible film, but I don't see God in it > the > > way people like you do. > > Did I mention it was a religious experience? Oddly, my favorite films > happen > to be "Wings of Desire," "Apocalypse Now," and "Blade Runner," all which > do > have religious themes, and movies in which I suppose I do see "God." Not, > however, in "Fight Club." "Seeing God" was not meant literally. It's bad enough you drove Eb off the list; it's bad enough that your > CONSTANT idiotic blathering has dragged the Feglist down into the thickets > of mediocrity; I don't think I've done any such things. One thing that separates me (and everyone else here) from you is that I don't, out of the blue, criticize anyone as idiotic or lowering the level of discourse or anything like that. I'm not on a holy crusade against those with whom I disagree. There are things that get posted here that I find less interesting than others, but I don't hold a grudge about them unless they get personal. In the past few days you've blown gaskets over both Jeme and myself, just because of "how we are" (or how you think we are). That's because you're an asshole. Or, more precisely, I find you to be an asshole. Better? but now you link me to a psychotic shooter? I DEFINITELY didn't do that. You are such a > vindictive creep! Really, I am constantly amazed that more people on this > List don't call you out. Hey, look, Eb's back. Quail, there's nothing here for me to be called out on. Meanwhile, you've been called out a couple of times lately for shitty behavior. Think, bloviator, think. > I was referring to a post I made months ago that started a flame war > between > us, in which I stated that "Crash" was LA at its worse, but "Rent" was > just > as bad. Not that I think you should recall all my posts, but since it did > involve you and anger you, I thought maybe you would. I remember the inane stuff about CRASH, and how you kept insisting that I liked it when I clearly stated othewise. RENT is more about Broadway than Hollywood, which is why I don't see the parallel. >Are > > they both liberal or something gay like that? > > Rent is actually pretty damn gay -- no? But no, they are both just > pseudo-intellectual pieces of trash that suck beyond belief, and yet > persist > in a strange popularity, that's all. Christ, what a sorry hypocrite. I'm sorry, you were just defending "Starship Troopers"? That answers to exactly the description above, but since it mirrors your ideology, that's cool, right? Also, RENT, the film, was a bomb. It's the NY variation that endures in popularity. And yes, I am making absolutist > statements, because in this case, I am speaking the Truth as if handed to > me > by God and all his angels. Lame. You destroy all your credibility with this kind of thing and your propensity for signing off with supposedly humorous violence-porn fantasies. And -- don't think I missed your attempt to smear me as a homophobe on top > of everything else. What a nasty little gollum you are. What? What the hell are you even talking about? Quail, you understand neither my point of view-- you think me an absolutist when I am clearly not-- nor my methods of discussion, which you think are slimy an underhanded, which they are not. You, on the other hand, make absolutist arguments constantly and either distort my meanings or truly, magnificently fail to understand them. You claim to not be an "angry white male", but you can't stop yourself from raging at me when I mention my personal distaste for testosteroney stuff like prog rock and pissed-off woe-is-Whitey movies. You are not worth my time. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:06:31 +0100 From: matt sewell Subject: Davy Graham in the C21st Davy Graham - obviously back in the day he was just unbelievable, but what about these days? Anyone have any idea? I've heard that the drugs have taken their toll over the years, but I'm guessing even with the messy head he still plays a mean pinball... er... guitar, right? He's playing here in ver Ox next week and I'm wondering whether it's worth it or not... Thanking you ta! Matt > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:41:01 +0100> From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk> To: mwells@ImageWorksMfg.com> CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org> Subject: Drake covers Jansch> > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:34:35 -0500> > From: "Michael Wells" > > Subject: re: Nick Drake family tree> > re: Nick Drake family tree:> > 5. Winter Is Gone (Traditional, arr: Nick Drake)> > 8. Strolling Down the Highway (Bert Jansch)> > 15. If You Leave Me (Dave Van Ronk)> > Wow! This is something to look forward to. MRG, did you know about > > the Jansch > cover?> > Michael> > Yes, I saw it in the paper last week. Along with the Jackson C Frank > covers, songs from Jansch's first album were 'standards' in the folk > club repertoire of 60s non-finger-in-ear performers. As was Davey > Graham's 'Anji', not to mention 'Black Waterside'. Oh and songs by an > up and coming songwriter who carefully avoided mentioning that he was > from Hibbing Minnesota...> > Incidentally, I see that Jansch is playing at Somerset House during the > summer with Bernard Butler and Beth Orton.> > > - Mike 'if it wasn't for the NHS I wouldn't be here' Godwin _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:45:04 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: "we're in luck, we're not there" Jeff said: >(BTW: A real good way to make yourself feel older is recognizing that >Lennon's been dead nearly 27 years now... I was in my first year of college >at the time. I don't actually feel old - most days I have to remind myself >that I'm 45 and, in fact, considerably older than the students I teach, not >just a few years or more mature or something - but it's things like >that...how can it be *27 years*?!? - that make that age difference more >real. >I think when I was a freshman in college, people who babbled about stuff >that happened in 1953 as if it was yesterday would have seemed terribly >ancient and out of it...so, uh, here I am talking about 1980 in the same >way...) Me, too...Same age, same thoughts (except I DO feel old these days), same amazement at how long Lennon's been gone (as long as I had lived at the time of his death + 50%...yikes), same theory of measuring time by looking backwards (and applying it to music, too: ie. someone in 1980 whose favorite music was from 1953 would have been hopelessly stuck in the past...and here I am, still ranking "London Calling" and "Tusk" (and, in retrospect (cuz I didn't know it at the time) "Underwater Moonlight") among my tops...sigh). What a long, strange, etc., etc. Michael "Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:11:27 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: maps and legends Cartography exhibit this fall at Chicago's Field Museum, including some pretty rare stuff: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_en_ot/famous_maps_4 http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/maps_tempexhib.htm Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:15:50 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Machismo Festapalooza The Great Quail accused Rex of ruining the Feglist thusly: "It's bad enough you drove Eb off the list; it's bad enough that your CONSTANT idiotic blathering has dragged the Feglist down into the thickets of mediocrity..." Thickets of mediocrity? Au contraire! Lots of intellent banter and it just keeps on coming. Eb ought to rejoin. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:18:40 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Last (?) Gun Post This article came to my attention just now via Digg. I had forgotten about the Kennesaw law, but you can't really argue with the numbers. =============== *25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'* Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents Posted: April 19, 2007 1:52 p.m. Eastern B) 2007 WorldNetDaily.com As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms. In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw b responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. b unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting b as a victim, attacker or defender. The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law. Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available b for the year 2005 b show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189. By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000. This was not what some predicted. In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city b& soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show. Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre. Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime b& and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta. The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer." Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses, is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence b especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible. Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself. =============== Have a good weekend, y'all. - -f. np: /Check the Cool Wax, Vol. 3, The Best of Dean & Jerry At The Movies: Pardners 49-56/, a collection of Dean & Lewis duets available for download from here: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:33:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: >What a long, strange, etc., etc. > Oh lordy, don't go there. The first thing that brought up from the depths was how lame me & my buddies thought it was when Fats Domino had the nerve to cover "Lady Madonna" instead of remaining down in the primeval ooze where he belonged. & then last night I got in a stupid argument with my wife - the daughter (just turned 30) is having a "sixties party" this weekend, where the prime referent isn't patchouli & incense but Rudi Gernreich and plastic clothing, and we got into a pathetically embarrassing argument over whether that was "early" or "mid" sixties (I held out for early) until we both collapsed in helpless laughter at the absurdity of the situation. So I can relate better than I really wanna. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:36:31 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: there's a word for that? hi fegs, i just love natural language. well, not really, but on occasion. this showed up on the gmail "ticker-tape" section: spoonerism: http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2007/04/13.html i like this example of a spoonerism: "The Lord is a shoving leopard ["loving shepherd"]." i tend not to like wordplay but i like when things get mixed up and the latter seems to win out in this case. unsurprisingly, i've been known to say things like: "that came out of left air." "he was giving me the cold foot." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: maps and legends On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Michael Wells wrote: > Cartography exhibit this fall at Chicago's Field Museum, including some > pretty rare stuff: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_en_ot/famous_maps_4 > > http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/maps_tempexhib.htm > > Michael Very cool. More posts like this please. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:16:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: there's a word for that? - -----Original Message----- >From: Lauren Elizabeth >Sent: Apr 20, 2007 9:36 AM >To: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" >Subject: there's a word for that? > >hi fegs, > >i just love natural language. well, not really, but on occasion. > >this showed up on the gmail "ticker-tape" section: >spoonerism: >http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2007/04/13.html > >i like this example of a spoonerism: >"The Lord is a shoving leopard ["loving shepherd"]." > >i tend not to like wordplay but i like when things get mixed up and >the latter seems to win out in this case. > >unsurprisingly, i've been known to say things like: >"that came out of left air." >"he was giving me the cold foot." > cf. the Buckinghams' In One Ear And Gone Tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:30:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Last (?) Gun Post you can't really argue with the numbers. > Then again my grandma loved to say "figures don't lie, but liars figure." She was from Missouri and full of that kind of quaint folk wisdom. >arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot >the killer." This might be a good point to toss in a commonplace observation I recollect from my childhood among the police (like Mowgli among the wolves, in a way) that most of the people killed by handguns are shot with their own weapons. Not that I can cite any statistics or anything. More under the heading of shoptalk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:36:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Arcade Fire I don't know about him being on a cover but it was Spin that got me interested in Rob H in the first place, I believe through an incendiary review of Gotta Let This Hen Out! which I may have mentioned before is one of my all-time faves. But I quit reading them years ago. - -----Original Message----- >From: Rex >Sent: Apr 15, 2007 9:36 PM >To: Lauren Elizabeth >Cc: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" >Subject: Re: Arcade Fire > >On 4/15/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >> >> >> i subscribe to rolling stone because it's like $12.00 a year and >> chances are good i would pay that in single-issue purchases if i >> didn't subscribe. i used to do the same for spin but at some point it >> got so bad, i couldn't both subscribe and live with myself. i don't >> remember what it was in particular got so annoying about spin. they >> were probably taking themselves too seriously. and creem i probably >> thought was a porn magazine so i never subscribed to that one. > > >Nonetheless, it's the only one of the three ever to have featured RH on the >cover. Not just his name, but as the actual cover boy. The late '80's >incarnation was briefly fantastic. I prolly still have a few stashed back >at my folks' place in WV. > >-Rx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:48:29 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: maps and legends Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Michael Wells wrote: > >> Cartography exhibit this fall at Chicago's Field Museum, including some >> pretty rare stuff: >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_en_ot/famous_maps_4 >> >> http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/maps_tempexhib.htm >> >> Michael > > Very cool. More posts like this please. Indeed, very nice. I didn't find any gallery links under the museum for good shots of the maps, which I would like to see. This, from the bottom of the news article, took me a half a second to figure out: "(This version CORRECTS spelling of Navteq in 8th graf.)" I've never heard of a paragraph being referred to as "graf" before, but seeing as I'm not an editor and barely literate it comes as no surprise. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:12:48 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Last (?) Gun Post - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:31 PM To: FSThomas; Eaters of Tripe Subject: Re: Last (?) Gun Post you can't really argue with the numbers. >> Then again my grandma loved to say "figures don't lie, but liars figure." She was from Missouri and full of that kind of quaint folk wisdom. >>arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer." >This might be a good point to toss in a commonplace observation I recollect from my childhood among the >police (like Mowgli among the wolves, in a way) that most of the people killed by handguns are shot with their own weapons. Not that I can cite any statistics or anything. More under the heading of shoptalk. Pistols certainly wouldn't have stopped Charles Whitman shooting from the tower with his rifle and killing all those students in Austin, TX back in 1966. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:15:47 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: ghost ship 'Ghost Ship' Found off Coast of Australia No Sign of Crew Leaves Rescuers Puzzled _http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/ghost-ship-found-off-coast-of-austral ia/20070420073509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001_ (http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/ghost-ship-found-off-coast-of-australia/20070420073509990001?ncid=N WS00010000000001) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:30:34 -0700 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Unnecessary addenda to gun debate Cadged from Daily Kos, first-time diarist Canyonrat on Ornamental Culture and Security Theater: ** "Guns are tools in Canada, and necessary ones at that. The United States suffers from a divide. In someplace like northern Minnesota, Montana, Maine, or rural Tennessee, guns are tools. In urban and suburban areas, guns are ornaments. At the risk of alienating the pro-gun people on Kos, I'll expound on this - a lot of people purchase guns as an ornamental substitute for missing self-esteem. At the risk of alienating the anti-gun people on Kos I'll also point out that gun control laws are a form of security theater, which is equally rooted in ornamental culture. Both miss the point. Guns becoming seen as ornaments rather than tools is not a healthy trend." I really like the distinction between guns as tools and guns as ornaments. I don't think this necessarily sheds any light on what happened in Virginia, but I do think it's an important point. We've all heard rational arguments for gun ownership, and we've all heard pro-gun rants that make the ranter sound like gun regulation would mortally wound the ego of said ranter and all their ilk. The difference is, of course, that some people want to be able to use the guns, and some people identify with the guns. I guess I'm saying that there are gun-owners and gun-lovers and there isn't a perfect overlap between the two. I'm not in favor of gun worship, but I'm not opposed to gun ownership. If people felt like their lives had more substance and meaning, I bet we'd see a lot less gun-love. V. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:29:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Unnecessary addenda to gun debate On 4/20/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > Cadged from Daily Kos, first-time diarist Canyonrat on Ornamental Culture > and Security Theater: > ** > "Guns are tools in Canada, and necessary ones at that. The United States > suffers from a divide. In someplace like northern Minnesota, Montana, > Maine, or rural Tennessee, guns are tools. In urban and suburban areas, > guns are ornaments. At the risk of alienating the pro-gun people on Kos, > I'll expound on this - a lot of people purchase guns as an ornamental > substitute for missing self-esteem. At the risk of alienating the > anti-gun > people on Kos I'll also point out that gun control laws are a form of > security theater, which is equally rooted in ornamental culture. Both > miss > the point. > Guns becoming seen as ornaments rather than tools is not a healthy trend." > > I really like the distinction between guns as tools and guns as ornaments. > I agree. Actually, I've modified my position on guns over the years: I was once very, very strongly in the anti-gun camp. But I've come to realize that it's simply not going to possible to make all guns illegal for private ownership (setting aside whether that's a good idea), and it would far better to concentrate on *regulating* them in ways that can appeal to pro-gun folks (except for the fanatics, of course) than on a blanket ban. And certainly, as I think was mentioned several times in our dsicussion, there are regional & local variances. Crime may have dropped in Kennesaw GA - - is that due to the pro-gun ordinance (and is that ordinance actually enforced? How? Do cops go around periodically and make sure every household has a working gun in it, like building inspectors or something?) or other factors? On the other hand, what works for Kennesaw GA is unlikely to work in NYC or Chicago. And the pathetic truth is, it's unlikely that any set of laws, ordinances, or even attitudes would have utterly prevented the VA shootings. Might have been less likely, or less deadly - but clearly we've got a guy well beyond the influence of law and society. That said, I do think we have a huge violence problem, and not just among malfunctioning individuals. As it happens, at lunch I was reading the movie reviews from this week's _Onion_...and seemingly every movie was about torture, kidnapping, murder, decapitation, or just driving really really fast. Films once in a while dealing with such subjects wouldn't be a problem - - nor would serious-minded, or even farcical, treatments of same...but a large number of these seem to be essentially violence-porn, where the violence is the chief attraction and main thrill of the picture. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:41:35 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: masturbation thread (was Re: ) 2fs says: > Kids these days. Why when I was a young whippersnapper, when I got bored, > I'd just masturbate. and now that you're older? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:32:47 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: More ways to pass the workday on the Internet When you finish with the guitarists, you can start on the rock album covers: http://tinyurl.com/38awh6 - ------------------------------ The beloved Tom Clark said: >http://rope.icgo.fimc.net/staticweb/EdFeatures/PlanetRockGuitarQuiz/ > >I'm at 33 out of 50 so far. Gotta bring in some experts from the >office tomorrow... > >- -tc > Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:21:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: masturbation thread (was Re: ) On 4/20/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > 2fs says: > > Kids these days. Why when I was a young whippersnapper, when I got > bored, > > I'd just masturbate. > > and now that you're older? I write about guns. Obviously. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:31:41 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: More ways to pass the workday on the Internet Eh...only 21 (they say "20" but it's by the Jimi Hendrix Experience not just Jimi). A bit tilted toward older stuff and metal...I've never even *heard* of the band Thunder, much less be able to recognize one of their album covers. (And I thought the cow was _Atom Heart Mother_...well, it could've been!). On 4/20/07, David Witzany wrote: > > When you finish with the guitarists, you can start on the rock album > covers: > > http://tinyurl.com/38awh6 > > > ------------------------------ > The beloved Tom Clark said: > > >http://rope.icgo.fimc.net/staticweb/EdFeatures/PlanetRockGuitarQuiz/ > > > >I'm at 33 out of 50 so far. Gotta bring in some experts from the > >office tomorrow... > > > >- -tc > > > Dave. > > David Witzany ...one of nature's > witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:17:27 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Heinlein > Well, my wife's reason is that in seemingly all of his books, there's some > wise old guy who, somehow, ends up in bed with a young, gloriously sexy > young woman, whose sexuality seems suspiciously calibrated to fulfill male > sexual fantasies rather than more realistically representing actual young > women's sexualities. Yeah, there's definitely that! Also, almost all of his female characters seem possessed by one main drive: to have lots of sex, then settle down with a nice man and make babies. Granted, as his fiction evolved, his portrayal of women became less sexist in a 1950s way. Also, I can excuse him because his portrayal of men was equally as ludicrous at times. But there always remained the sense that women were at their most happy when they were pregnant, and when a man was ultimately in charge. Nevertheless, he was an amazing writer (in terms of ideas, at least), especially in his day -- some of his notions about politics, social structure, and sexuality are still controversial and shocking. I keep expecting him to finally get his due as a political satirist ala Philip K. Dick, but that seems increasingly unlikely.... - --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #170 ********************************