From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #156 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 17 2007 Volume 16 : Number 156 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap x 22 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info ["Mi] Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info [Rex] Re: "green side up" [Tom Clark ] Guns ["John Irvine" ] RE: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info ["Ma] #154? ["Marc Holden" ] Re: by any other name... [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Guns [kevin ] Re: reap x 22 [kevin ] Re: Drummers [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Capaldi erratum [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: by any other name... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] re: reap x 33 [ken ostrander ] Re: by any other name... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: by any other name... ["Jason Brown" ] Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info [kev] Re: by any other name... [FSThomas ] Re: by any other name... ["Jason Brown" ] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: by any other name... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: by any other name... [kevin ] Re: by any other name... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: by any other name... ["Jason Brown" ] Re: by any other name... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: original drummers [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:06:56 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: reap x 22 2fs says: > Which prohibitions do you mean? Some work poorly - prohibition of alcohol > certainly didn't work, and the drug war's a joke (or would be if it weren't > so tragic) - but no one seems to complain that we can't all have rocket > launchers. yet. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:06:49 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info Lauren says: >"some people have no choice and they can never find a voice to talk >with or even call their own / so the first that they see that allows >them the right to be / they follow it / it's called bad luck." Kevin says: >"people get all emotional and sometimes they don't act >rational/they think they're just on TV." Not sure which is more amazing: The fact that there are two separate citings of "Street Hassle" in the latest digest...or the fact that neither one is from me... Michael "Sha-la-la-la, man" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:37:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info On 4/16/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > Not sure which is more amazing: The fact that there are two separate > citings of "Street Hassle" in the latest digest...or the fact that neither > one is from me... It's been hardwired into the feggy zeitgeist. - -Rex np. "Ode to 'Street Hassle'", Spacemen 3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:43:13 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: "green side up" On Apr 15, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/23ee38 + On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/3djudu = Superstitious idiots are teh funny! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:15:03 -0400 From: "John Irvine" Subject: Guns Not to overboil the pot, but times like these are exactly when pro/anti gun/control arguments need to be trotted out, when the issue is more concrete and less of an intellectual excercise. I fall on the prohibition-doesn't work side of the argument, but also say "what part of 'well-regulated' don't you understand?" The saddest part of all this is that 33 people die about every few hours in Iraq thanks to my tax dollars, and it doesn't even make it above the fold anymore. "Don't you know, you'll never get peace anymore." - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:15:06 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info Lauren wrote: > hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in > > his songs? > > i completely forgot sebastian's sig line: > "being just contaminates the void." I have a few that I always liked (and in most cases I really am not quite sure why they catch my fancy, but hey do): "Honesty is money in the cemetery" "You smile like a bowl, you grin like a melon" "Something Shakespeare never said was "you've got to be kidding"" Those are the three that I tend to think of first. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:32:59 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: #154? I started reading the latest digest this evening (#155), and everything seemed disjointed. Looking back through my e-mail backlog and deleted mail, I couldn't find digest 154. The rest, back to about 148, were there . Did anyone else get skipped? MG asked: >PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in his >songs? These types of things always wind up being a major challenge--I can almost never decide that something is the absolute best, but could come up with a long list of things that would be in the running to be "my favourite". Fortunately, two of my favorites, off the top of my head, occur back to back in the same song, so I guess Airscape wins: "Your perfect lover's never there And if she was, she wouldn't be -- and neither, though, would you Save your illusions For someone else Save your illusions For yourself" I think these lines are still good when printed rather than needing to be part of a song. Marc Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be considered an enemy planet. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: by any other name... Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> How could they *not* fall for Little, Big? > > I even read them the first page! But I think the main reason against was > that it's too big. Some of them aren't very fast readers ... maybe I'll try > again. You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], nor as chilly as (early) Le Guin... I'd go with Cat's Cradle or Slaughterhouse-Five. Or if you want to try a different Le Guin, Left Hand of Darkness might appeal. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:52:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Guns - -----Original Message----- >From: John Irvine >Sent: Apr 16, 2007 9:15 PM >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Guns > >Not to overboil the pot, but times like these are exactly when >pro/anti gun/control arguments need to be trotted out, when the issue >is more concrete and less of an intellectual excercise. > >I fall on the prohibition-doesn't work side of the argument, but also >say "what part of 'well-regulated' don't you understand?" > I'm not a fan of prohibition in general either, but if simple possession of a handgun was enough for the cops to take a citizen into custody, there are many social benefits that would accrue. After all, murder, rape and arson are all prohibited too... >The saddest part of all this is that 33 people die about every few >hours in Iraq thanks to my tax dollars, and it doesn't even make it >above the fold anymore. Amen to that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: reap x 22 >We've completely given up on the potential of vast numbers of our citizens, >making their schools into warehouses at best and prisons at worst. Our child >poverty rates are (or should be) a scandal, for the supposedly wealthiest >nation on the planet - instead we put Donald Trump and Bill Gates on the >front page. We privilege conflict, adversarial relations, and competition >above all else. Is it any wonder this leads to, at the low end, "ethical >flexibility" along the lines of cheating and evading moral questions so long >as, say, there's no specific law against it, and at the more extreme end, >violence? Those who would reconcile, those who would seek to understand, >those who would negotiate: they're scorned as weak. Those who 'stand firm," >those who render the world in high-contrast black and white, those who order >and dictate: that's our notion of "strength." The gun's a perfect metaphor: >hard and dark and implacable; pull the trigger and no one can argue. > Uh huh, what he said. In terms of another metaphorical system, when you got a pistol in yer pocket you can be pretty sure it's never gonna go limp on ya. Though, to get a little Hitchcocky, there's nothing stiffer than a corpse. For a while, anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:50:05 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drummers Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > "Bachman, Michael" wrote: >> Michael "but not Rush, that's a given" Wells wrote: >>> Latest obsession: how bands were so much better with earlier >>> drummers. BOC with Albert Bouchard, Iron Maiden with Clive Burr, >>> etc. >> Jethro Tull with Clive Bunker, Captain Beyond with Bobby Caldwell >> (one of the great 70's drummers). John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with >> Mick Fleetwood. Traffic with Jim Capladi, even though Jim Gordon >> was a much better drummer live I suppose. * Capaldi - I am wailing and gnashing my teeth after missing the tribute concert. Did you know that Peter Capaldi the film and TV actor is his wee bro, his Molesworth 2 to Capaldi's gorilla of 3B? I definitely rate Jim Capaldi as a great live drummer - they had to bring him in to do the drum part in the EC comeback concert because Eric's session drummer couldn't play it? I was lucky enough to see Fleetwood with John Mayall, but he only had the drum seat for a few months, unlike Hughie Flint, who played with Mayall for years before being fired for making unenthusiastic remarks about Peter Green; or Aynsley Dunbar who appears on the wonderful 'Hard Road' album. Totally agree that BOC have never found an adequate replacement for Albert Bouchard. > R.E.M. with Bill Berry > The Psychedelic Furs with Vince Ely > Ramones with Tommy (with all due respect to Marky who also did a > great job) > and, most obviously, > The Who with Keith Moon Or even LZ with John Bonham, but I suppose that doesn't count because it totally split the whole band up. >> I never bought any Traffic albums after "Low Spark" though. * Not even the sensational 'On the road' live album? You're missing a treat there. > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:35:57 +1200 > From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz > Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 > > Too many is right... I'll throuw the following into the mix: > "Love me love me love me - that's what all the papers say - but they > used to be trees" > "And in the element of laughter - the quick explosion and the slow > [your choice]" > "Birdshead, what do you know of the sky?" > "...exactly like a crocodile in search of a mirage across the > undulating sands" > and, for the lustbuckets out there: > "Oh, Elizabeth Jade - I love the way your triangle's displayed" > > The whole of Birdshead, Airscape, IODOT or Raymond Chandler Evening > should be on the list, really. * Every single line, James? Even 'and the pavements are all wet'? Or does that only count as half a line? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:26:39 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Capaldi erratum It looks as if the review I read stating that Peter Capaldi sang at Jim Capaldi's tribute concert was erroneous, and that they were confusing Jim's brother Phil Capaldi with Peter. - - Mike 'that's enough Capaldis for one post' Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:28:25 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - --On 16. April 2007 11:07:24 -0700 kevin wrote: >>> > I don't know--Heinlein's writing is, of course, dated (as are most >>> > sci-fi classics of the era)--but all that church business is still >>> > pretty relevant... >>> >>> Perhaps. I should re-read it ... >> >> I highly recommend it! > > I dunno...I read a bunch of RAH between the ages of say, eight and twenty that's about the age I read them too. > but I finally had to wade through one too many long, long, long speech in > which the archetypal Wise Old Man crypto-fascist-philosopher-king ever so > patiently and wisely explains the error of his ways to the Brash Young > Man (or Girl), tenderly and humorously leading them to the revelation > that will change their lives forever...it came to my attention too that > the charming, whimsical Wise Old Man was always ready to whip out his > shootin' arn at the drop of a plot point, and generally seemed a smidge > more of a bullying sociopath than I felt like dealing with, I don't remember in that much detail, but his books were decidedly a mixed bag. I *hated* "The Sixth Column" (I don't remember why, though), but SIASL impressed me because it was such an interesting idea. > having a > couple too many of them in my family already - and then I discovered J. > G. Ballard and Michael Moorcock and that whole Limey crowd. Refreshing > change, to say the least. Haven't read any of these. I've only seen the movie version of Crash (not the recent one, the Cronenberg movie). - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:36:59 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Cheers, Tom! Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:03:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info I must say that I think it's very cool that I know [of] someone that was at the original Games of May show and may very likely be at this recreation as well. Cheers, Godders! Cheers, Tom! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:41:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - --On 16. April 2007 18:01:19 -0400 djini@voicenet.com wrote: > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], No ducking necessary, is there? > nor as chilly as > (early) Le Guin... I'd go with Cat's Cradle or Slaughterhouse-Five. Or if > you want to try a different Le Guin, Left Hand of Darkness might appeal. Thanks, that's a good idea. I've been meaning to read Vonnegut's novels anyway. So far I've only read "Welcome To The Monkeyhouse". - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Capaldi erratum hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > It looks as if the review I read stating that Peter Capaldi sang at Jim > Capaldi's tribute concert was erroneous, and that they were confusing > Jim's brother Phil Capaldi with Peter. And, if you're from southern Scotland, the name "Capaldi" puts you in the mood for ice cream. Capaldi's is one of the famous Scottish "tally" ice-cream makers - along with Nardini, Zavaroni, Boni, Crolla, and [my favourite ever] Colpi. Now I have to watch "Comfort & Joy" again ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: reap x 33 it's the deadliest shooting ever. tell me why i don't like mondays. needless to say, everyone is in shock around here. once the names are released it's going to hit home. it's really wild to see the national news folks all flocking to blacksburg. there seems to be a major difference between national and local news coverage. the tendency is for the national outlets to try and find someone to blame while the local news is focusing on healing. we're going to try to go to the convocation today since amy's classes at radford were cancelled as well. it might be too much of a circus though. the first shooting incident took place last august. the first one was on the first day of classes for this school year. it also happened to be the first day of work after i quit to take care of shuggie full time. the first incident began at the hospital where i used to get my coffee on the way to work and ended on campus very close to the research building where i used to work. i couldn't help feeling blessed. blacksburg is a beautiful little college town that will now live in infamy. my wife grew up here and went to school here; and my daughter was born here. i've walked my dog here. it's all so surreal. after the experience in august, it certainly is suprising that the campus was not shut down. especially since it was during that incident. someone is going to be fired over it to be sure; but no doubt they probably couldn't feel worse. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 16. April 2007 18:01:19 -0400 djini@voicenet.com wrote: > > > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, > > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], > > No ducking necessary, is there? Probably not...though it's a little simplistic to call Heinlein a misogynist and just leave it at that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:03:17 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: by any other name... On 4/17/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, > > > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], > > > > No ducking necessary, is there? > > Probably not...though it's a little simplistic to call Heinlein a > misogynist and just leave it at that. Yeah, he's not a misogynist so much as he is a pervert. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:11:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info In the Favorite Hitch lines department, I was listening to Respect over the weekend. Latest oneliner: It's hard to recover when you're the disease... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:56:39 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: by any other name... Jason Brown wrote: > On 4/17/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >> > > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, >> > > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], >> > >> > No ducking necessary, is there? >> >> Probably not...though it's a little simplistic to call Heinlein a >> misogynist and just leave it at that. > > Yeah, he's not a misogynist so much as he is a pervert. And, if /Starship Troopers/ is any indicator, a Libertarian with the capital "L". - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:35:35 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: by any other name... On 4/17/07, FSThomas wrote: > Jason Brown wrote: > > On 4/17/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > >> > > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, > >> > > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], > >> > > >> > No ducking necessary, is there? > >> > >> Probably not...though it's a little simplistic to call Heinlein a > >> misogynist and just leave it at that. > > > > Yeah, he's not a misogynist so much as he is a pervert. > > And, if /Starship Troopers/ is any indicator, a Libertarian with the > capital "L". Aren't all perverts also libertarians? There was some movie directed by Johnny Depp... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Iccho Ito, the mayor of Nagasaki http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_as/japan_mayor_shooting "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, FSThomas wrote: > Jason Brown wrote: > > On 4/17/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > >> > > You could seize the opportunity to suggest a Vonnegut book - short, > >> > > snappy, not quite as misogynistic as Heinlein [ducking], > >> > > >> > No ducking necessary, is there? > >> > >> Probably not...though it's a little simplistic to call Heinlein a > >> misogynist and just leave it at that. > > > > Yeah, he's not a misogynist so much as he is a pervert. > > And, if /Starship Troopers/ is any indicator, a Libertarian with the > capital "L". I always thought "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" was Heinlein's Libertarian novel. As for "Starship Troopers," I can't imagine the Libertarian Party wanting to restrict the franchise like that... Some TMIAHM quotes: (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress) * A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame. . . as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world. . . aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure. * Do this. Don't do that. Stay back in line. Where's tax receipt? Fill out form. Let's see license. Submit six copies. Exit only. No left turn. No right turn. Queue up and pay fine. Take back and get stamped. Drop dead but first get permit. * "Sovereign," like "love," means anything you want it to mean; it's a word in dictionary between "sober" and "sozzled." * Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg, but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: "Please pass this so that I won't be able to do something I know I should stop." Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them "for their own good"not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it. * You have put your finger on the dilemma of all government and the reason I am an anarchist. The power to tax, once conceded, has no limits; it contains until it destroys. I was not joking when I told them to dig into their own pouches. It may not be possible to do away with government sometimes I think that government is an inescapable disease of human beings. But it may be possible to keep it small and starved and inoffensive and can you think of a better way than by requiring the governors themselves to pay the costs of their antisocial hobby? * I note one proposal to make this Congress a two-house body. Excellent the more impediments to legislation the better. But, instead of following tradition, I suggest one house of legislators, another whose single duty is to repeal laws. Let the legislators pass laws only with a two-thirds majority... while the repealers are able to cancel any law through a mere one-third minority. Preposterous? Think about it. If a bill is so poor that it cannot command two-thirds of your consents, is it not likely that it would make a poor law? And if a law is disliked by as many as one-third is it not likely that you would be better off without it? [[[ Note: there's a proposal here in Washington state to do away with the supermajority requirement on school levies. I wonder what the effect WOULD be if *everything* was required to be a supermajority and if a minority could repeal. ]]] * In writing your constitution let me invite attention to the wonderful virtue of the negative! Accentuate the negative! Let your document be studded with things the government is forever forbidden to do. No conscript armies... no interference however slight with freedom of press, or speech, or travel, or assembly, or of religion, or of instruction, or communication, or occupation... no involuntary taxation. * Seems to be a deep instinct in human beings for making everything compulsory that isn't forbidden. Then again: * I'm a Fifth Internationalist, most of the Organization is. Oh, we don't rule out anyone going our way; it's a united front. We have Communists and Fourths and Ruddyites and Societians and Single-Taxers and you name it. But I'm no Marxist; we Fifths have a practical program. Private where private belongs, public where it's needed, and an admission that circumstances alter cases. Nothing doctrinaire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:46:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: by any other name... >And, if /Starship Troopers/ is any indicator, a Libertarian with the >capital "L". Eeewww, please - not the L-word! I feel about libertarians the way a lot of gay people feel about bisexuals - they're just Republicans who're stuck in the closet... What scares you most will set you free / KS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:37 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: by any other name... kevin says: > Eeewww, please - not the L-word! my only problem with libertarianism is that in order for it to have chance of working, people would have to suddenly get way smarter than i suspect them of being. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:01:11 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: by any other name... On 4/17/07, kevin wrote: > >And, if /Starship Troopers/ is any indicator, a Libertarian with the > >capital "L". > > Eeewww, please - not the L-word! I feel about libertarians the way a lot of gay > people feel about bisexuals - they're just Republicans who're stuck in the closet... I'm not sure how one could fairly see that most libertarians or Libertarians are for things that are completely antithetical to the Republican party. Things like drug legalization, gay rights, civil rights, and all the other stuff that falls under the banner of personal freedom. And libertarians no longer even seem to agree with the Republicans on the issue of government spending. While libertarians still still advocate for less spending, the republicans seem to want more and and only disagree with the Democrats on how to spend it. BTW I think Ben is misreading Heinlein's intent with Starship Troopers. He doesn't agree with attitudes of the government in the story and it is meant as a cautionary tale. - ---Jason, not a libertarian or Republican ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jason Brown wrote: > On 4/17/07, kevin wrote: > > > > Eeewww, please - not the L-word! I feel about libertarians the way a > > lot of gay people feel about bisexuals - they're just Republicans > > who're stuck in the closet... > > I'm not sure how one could fairly see that most libertarians or > Libertarians are for things that are completely antithetical to the > Republican party. Things like drug legalization, gay rights, civil > rights, and all the other stuff that falls under the banner of > personal freedom. And libertarians no longer even seem to agree with > the Republicans on the issue of government spending. While > libertarians still still advocate for less spending, the republicans > seem to want more and and only disagree with the Democrats on how to > spend it. Well said. > BTW I think Ben is misreading Heinlein's intent with Starship > Troopers. He doesn't agree with attitudes of the government in the > story and it is meant as a cautionary tale. Could very well be. > ---Jason, not a libertarian or Republican - --Ben, briefly a Libertarian, now a "bad libertarian," usually votes Democrat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:58:52 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: original drummers > or Echo & The Bunnymen with echo (if it counts) if it does, add "or Straitjacket Fits with Herbie FF" > or Split Enz with Geoff Chunn (obviously; couldn't even spell Jeff >fer Samuel Langhorn Clemens's sake; I'm depending on Wikipedia here >since I couldn't remember who it was, so if that's wrong....) yes and no. Split Enz's first drummer was Chunn, but the band actually started as Split Ends. That band didn't have a drummer though (would you believe guitar, bass, mandolin, violin, and flute?) James (who used to read a lot of Heinlein, but hasn't for a while) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #156 ********************************