From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #154 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 16 2007 Volume 16 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: by any other name... [Benjamin Lukoff ] reap x 22 [ken ostrander ] re: reap [Benjamin Lukoff ] RE: Like a rolling scone [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info [Car] Now if we could only get a Soft Boys version.... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap x 22 [kevin ] Re: by any other name... [kevin ] Re: reap x 22 [FSThomas ] Re: reap x 22 [2fs ] RE: Like a rolling scone ["Mark P" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 ["John Irvine" ] Re: reap x 22 [FSThomas ] RE: reap x 22 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: reap x 22 [FSThomas ] RE: reap x 22 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: reap x 22 [FSThomas ] Re: reap x 22 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap x 33 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Club Congress--brief recap [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: [RobynHitchcockClub] Re: Club Congress--brief recap ["Lauren Elizabet] Re: reap x 22 [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A > >> Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder > >> if one of those would've been more of a success? > > > > Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in third. > > I loved that book when I read it almost 20 years ago, but I guess it's > (even more) dated now ... Did you ever read the uncut version? I don't know--Heinlein's writing is, of course, dated (as are most sci-fi classics of the era)--but all that church business is still pretty relevant... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: ken ostrander Subject: reap x 22 at least twenty two dead at virginia tech shooting. the second shooting incident on their campus this school year, and the second since i stopped working there. http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/04/reports_of_shoo.html http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: re: reap On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, ken ostrander wrote: > why do i have irene cara's voice in my head? > > i'm reminded of harvel hendrix' imago therapy that focuses on how we > are unconsciously drawn to people like our parents so that they can help > us heal the emotional wounds of our childhood. I think there's a lot to that--anyone else here read Hendrix's books? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Like a rolling scone "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > Michael "but not Rush, that's a given" Wells wrote: >> Latest obsession: how bands were so much better with earlier >> drummers. BOC with Albert Bouchard, Iron Maiden with Clive Burr, >> etc. > Jethro Tull with Clive Bunker, Captain Beyond with Bobby Caldwell > (one of the great 70's drummers). John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with > Mick Fleetwood. Traffic with Jim Capladi, even though Jim Gordon > was a much better drummer live I suppose. I never bought any > Traffic albums after "Low Spark" though. R.E.M. with Bill Berry The Psychedelic Furs with Vince Ely Ramones with Tommy (with all due respect to Marky who also did a great job) and, most obviously, The Who with Keith Moon But not The Cure with Laurence Tolhurst or Siouxsie & the Banshees with Sid Vicious or even Kenny Morris or Nirvana with Chad Channing or Echo & The Bunnymen with echo (if it counts) or Luna with Stanley Demeski (with all due respect to him) or James with Gavan Whelan or Split Enz with Geoff Chunn (obviously; couldn't even spell Jeff fer Samuel Langhorn Clemens's sake; I'm depending on Wikipedia here since I couldn't remember who it was, so if that's wrong....) or Sonic Youth with Richard Edson "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:34:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >mine would be: chickens in a chicken coop / wish they had some human soup. > "Take my eyes, I've used them" - - c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Now if we could only get a Soft Boys version.... http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/42362-wilco-become-toys "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:46:22 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - -- Benjamin Lukoff is rumored to have mumbled on 16. April 2007 10:01:07 -0700 regarding Re: by any other name...: >> >> suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A >> >> Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder >> >> if one of those would've been more of a success? >> > >> > Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in >> > third. >> >> I loved that book when I read it almost 20 years ago, but I guess it's >> (even more) dated now ... > > Did you ever read the uncut version? How would I know? Actually I certainly haven't. I got my copy at a garage sale in the US. It's a very nice 1961 hardcover book club edition. Anyway, how different is it? > I don't know--Heinlein's writing is, of course, dated (as are most sci-fi > classics of the era)--but all that church business is still pretty > relevant... Perhaps. I should re-read it ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Benjamin Lukoff is rumored to have mumbled on 16. > April 2007 10:01:07 -0700 regarding Re: by any other name...: > > >> >> suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A > >> >> Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder > >> >> if one of those would've been more of a success? > >> > > >> > Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in > >> > third. > >> > >> I loved that book when I read it almost 20 years ago, but I guess it's > >> (even more) dated now ... > > > > Did you ever read the uncut version? > > How would I know? Actually I certainly haven't. I got my copy at a garage > sale in the US. It's a very nice 1961 hardcover book club edition. Anyway, > how different is it? Oh--you'd know--it says so in big letters on the front, and it's about a third longer. It was published in 1991, I believe. The fundamentals aren't different, there's just a lot more text. I've only ever read the long version, so I honestly can't imagine the short one.. > > I don't know--Heinlein's writing is, of course, dated (as are most sci-fi > > classics of the era)--but all that church business is still pretty > > relevant... > > Perhaps. I should re-read it ... I highly recommend it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:53:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: reap x 22 - -----Original Message----- >From: ken ostrander >Sent: Apr 16, 2007 9:54 AM >To: fgz >Subject: reap x 22 > >at least twenty two dead at virginia tech shooting. the second shooting incident on their campus this school year, and the second since i stopped working there. And once again I say, thank Gawd for the second amendment and its vociferous, well-bankrolled supporters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:07:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: by any other name... >> > I don't know--Heinlein's writing is, of course, dated (as are most sci-fi >> > classics of the era)--but all that church business is still pretty >> > relevant... >> >> Perhaps. I should re-read it ... > >I highly recommend it! I dunno...I read a bunch of RAH between the ages of say, eight and twenty but I finally had to wade through one too many long, long, long speech in which the archetypal Wise Old Man crypto-fascist-philosopher-king ever so patiently and wisely explains the error of his ways to the Brash Young Man (or Girl), tenderly and humorously leading them to the revelation that will change their lives forever...it came to my attention too that the charming, whimsical Wise Old Man was always ready to whip out his shootin' arn at the drop of a plot point, and generally seemed a smidge more of a bullying sociopath than I felt like dealing with, having a couple too many of them in my family already - and then I discovered J. G. Ballard and Michael Moorcock and that whole Limey crowd. Refreshing change, to say the least. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:46:53 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: reap x 22 kevin wrote: > -----Original Message----- >> From: ken ostrander >> Sent: Apr 16, 2007 9:54 AM >> To: fgz >> Subject: reap x 22 >> >> at least twenty two dead at virginia tech shooting. the second shooting incident on their campus this school year, and the second since i stopped working there. > > And once again I say, thank Gawd for the second amendment and its vociferous, well-bankrolled supporters. The other side of that argument is that were there more concealed carry permits an armed citizen could have dropped that toll a lot lower. The timeline on that incident (still in its fetal stages ATM, of course) looks strange. The first shooting happens two hours earlier on the other side of the campus and then the second spate occurs? Where the Hell was campus security? - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:13:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap x 22 On 4/16/07, FSThomas wrote: > > kevin wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: ken ostrander > >> Sent: Apr 16, 2007 9:54 AM > >> To: fgz > >> Subject: reap x 22 > >> > >> at least twenty two dead at virginia tech shooting. the second > shooting incident on their campus this school year, and the second since i > stopped working there. > > > > And once again I say, thank Gawd for the second amendment and its > vociferous, well-bankrolled supporters. > > The other side of that argument is that were there more concealed carry > permits an armed citizen could have dropped that toll a lot lower. I don't think situations like this one are good cases for or against gun control. It's always going to be possible for someone determined to shoot up a campus (say) to get a hold of a gun. On the other hand, even assuming concealed-carry laws would apply to students or faculty on college campuses (many such laws have exemptions), for "an armed citizen [to] have dropped that toll a lot lower," such a citizen would have had to have (a) been on the scene, (b) ID'd the gunman, (c) not be seen first by the gunman, (d) have the will to shoot the gunman (people talk macho talk - but you're still in the position of taking another person's life, even if you realize that in doing so you might save others' lives), (e) shoot well the first time, so as to avoid (f) being targeted directly by the gunman after the citizen misses the first shot. Long odds, if you ask me. But in most circumstances, concealed-carry laws are unlikely to improve public safety. I'd say America's inner cities have perhaps the highest percentage of gun-carrying (licit and il-), and the presence of all those guns has done a bang-up job of decreasing crime and shootings, hasn't it. Given that people with guns (I'm not talking about hunters, or collectors, or anything Mark Seymour was involved in) often act as if they're more powerful than everyone else, and given that a lot of shootings happen opportunistically (in that an argument breaks out, which turns into a fight, which turns into a shooting because somebody or both somebodies had a gun, why the notion that more weapons would *diminish* such violence seems highly iffy to me. It would seem, instead, as if the need to be the *first* guy with a gun drawn would be stronger. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:18:39 -0400 From: "Mark P" Subject: RE: Like a rolling scone >>Michael "but not Rush, that's a given" Wells wrote: >Latest obsession: how bands were so much better with earlier drummers. >BOC with Albert Bouchard, Iron Maiden with Clive Burr, etc. Jethro Tull with Clive Bunker, Captain Beyond with Bobby Caldwell (one of the great 70's drummers). John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Mick Fleetwood. Traffic with Jim Capladi, even though Jim Gordon was a much better drummer live I suppose. I never bought any Traffic albums after "Low Spark" though. MJ Bachman<< Barriemore Barlow's one of my fave drummers o'yore but so is Clive, so. Bobby Caldwell, WORD UP, man! From Johnny Winter and the And Band stuff and then some through Captain Beyond and Armageddon ...there ya go, another great live album, one of my top 25s ...Johnny Winter And Live! Why that animal's yet to be remastered and expanded ...beyond me. Another intial drummer better(ish) than the latter, even though I adore Eric Marshall ...both as a dude and drummer ...Sara Romweber in Let's Active ...cute as a button eye candy and brilliant ...no ... BRILLIANT chops. Great drummer. Eric too but I preferred Sara. Vince Ely was way better than anybody who assumed the P-Furs throne after, inbetween stints, whenever. And when Pete DeFreitas died, so died The Bunnies, for me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:35:21 -0400 From: "John Irvine" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 Re- TNOTB and SMS: I've been thoroughly enjoying some 1980 concert clips of TH's in Rome on the YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVIKF03KkVM That's some really fine footage of an unbelievably great live band. Re- Arcade Fire: Anything that smacks of Porcupine-era Echo covering Suffragette City is A-OK in my book. I also just got "Funeral" which seems to be equally great. And speaking of Echo, I heard some very nice tracks from their latest "Siberia" CD. A lot better that there earlier reunion stuff, Will's guitar finally sounds like it should again. Any love here for Elvis Perkins? I heard a very interesting track "While you were sleeping" on WRNR. Some very fine lyrics. I just ordered the CD. - -John http://www.thejennifers.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:57:38 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: reap x 22 2fs wrote: > ... Long odds, if you ask me. > > But in most circumstances, concealed-carry laws are unlikely to improve > public safety. I'd say America's inner cities have perhaps the highest > percentage of gun-carrying (licit and il-), and the presence of all those > guns has done a bang-up job of decreasing crime and shootings, hasn't it. Gun ownership is far higher in rural areas than in urban settings with a correspondingly lower murder rate. Gun ownership is higher among whites than blacks, with correspondingly lower murder rates. > Given that people with guns (I'm not talking about hunters, or collectors, > or anything Mark Seymour was involved in) often act as if they're more > powerful than everyone else, and given that a lot of shootings happen > opportunistically (in that an argument breaks out, which turns into a fight, > which turns into a shooting because somebody or both somebodies had a gun, > why the notion that more weapons would *diminish* such violence seems highly > iffy to me. It would seem, instead, as if the need to be the *first* guy > with a gun drawn would be stronger. Outlawing/banning them (as undoubtedly there will be renewed calls to do so) will only do two things: Ensure that only outlaws and the police/military have arms. Neither situation appeals to me in the slightest. I've had the news running in the background since the story broke and they just had a guy being interviewed saying that they've got to (GOT TO) curb/eliminate violent video games because that's where the kids are learning this stuff. Now I don't know where the behaviour is learned/reinforced, but I severely doubt that a weekend of playing Counter-Strike is going to put you in the right mind to go and shoot up your school/mall/daycare. An interesting bit on Flordia's experience with passing a concealed carry lawi in 1987: - --- When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them. Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred: Florida United States homicide rate -36% -0.4% firearm homicide rate -37% +15% handgun homicide rate -41% +24% 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life. - --- Taken from http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm and nicely footnoted, to boot. - -f. A few sundry articles: A Reason article from 2002: http://tinyurl.com/2832xt A Thoms Sowell editorial from 2002: http://tinyurl.com/28ex3h Bureau of Justice stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:19:20 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: reap x 22 Ferris: >As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. How many road rage whacko's shot at someone from their car that didn't involve a subsequent accident, or followed their victim to his/her home and shot them then or later? It happens more than 1 since 1998, that's for sure. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:23:29 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: reap x 22 Bachman, Michael wrote: > How many road rage whacko's shot at someone from their car that didn't > involve a subsequent accident, or followed their victim to his/her home > and shot them then or later? It happens more than 1 since 1998, that's > for sure. But were they permitted carriers? The stats are (I believe) in relation to permit holders only. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:41:11 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: reap x 22 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of FSThomas Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:23 PM To: You F*ckers Subject: Re: reap x 22 Bachman, Michael wrote: > How many road rage whacko's shot at someone from their car that didn't > involve a subsequent accident, or followed their victim to his/her > home and shot them then or later? It happens more than 1 since 1998, > that's for sure. Ferris: >But were they permitted carriers? The stats are (I believe) in relation to permit holders only. That's the problem Ferris, I would hate to have permits issued to potential road rage whackos as I know a third party who was a victim of one who was shot in the stomache after being followed to his house. The guy never cooled off, rang the doorbell hours later and shot his victim when he opened the door. It happened here in Michigan, where road rage is frequent. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:49:14 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: reap x 22 Bachman, Michael wrote: > That's the problem Ferris, I would hate to have permits issued to > potential road rage whackos as I know a third party who was a victim of > one who was shot in the stomache after being followed to his house. The > guy never cooled off, rang the doorbell hours later and shot his victim > when he opened the door. It happened here in Michigan, where road rage > is frequent. "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." - Heinrich Himmler 1936 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap x 22 FSThomas wrote: > Bachman, Michael wrote: > > That's the problem Ferris, I would hate to have permits issued to > > potential road rage whackos as I know a third party who was a > victim of > > one who was shot in the stomache after being followed to his > house. The > > guy never cooled off, rang the doorbell hours later and shot his > victim > > when he opened the door. It happened here in Michigan, where road > rage > > is frequent. > > "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. > Ordinary > citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the > State." - Heinrich Himmler 1936 A) Godwin's Law B) out of respect for the dead, will both of you kindly shut the fuck up. "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:05:28 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: reap x 33 2fs says: > On the other hand, even assuming concealed-carry laws would apply to > students or faculty on college campuses (many such laws have exemptions), > for "an armed citizen [to] have dropped that toll a lot lower," such a > citizen would have had to have (a) been on the scene, (b) ID'd the gunman, > (c) not be seen first by the gunman, (d) have the will to shoot the gunman > (people talk macho talk - but you're still in the position of taking another > person's life, even if you realize that in doing so you might save others' > lives), (e) shoot well the first time, so as to avoid (f) being targeted > directly by the gunman after the citizen misses the first shot. Long odds, > if you ask me. maybe i'm just heartless, but once you've got someone on a shooting rampage, i personally wouldn't have an ethical dilemma about point (d). > Given that people with guns (I'm not talking about hunters, or collectors, > or anything Mark Seymour was involved in) often act as if they're more > powerful than everyone else, and given that a lot of shootings happen > opportunistically (in that an argument breaks out, which turns into a fight, > which turns into a shooting because somebody or both somebodies had a gun, > why the notion that more weapons would *diminish* such violence seems highly > iffy to me. It would seem, instead, as if the need to be the *first* guy > with a gun drawn would be stronger. the unfortunate alternative seems to be waiting for the gunman to run out of ammo or decide sooner rather than later as to when to kill himself. i guess there's waiting for the cops, but seconds and minutes for even a quick response from the police mean more deaths. then again, i'm a "liberal who's been robbed" as the old joke goes, and i don't have a lot of sympathy or patience for fuckers who point and /or shoot guns at unarmed civilians. as an aside and probably more importantly, like everyone else, i'm a bit heartbroken to-day. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:03:54 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Club Congress--brief recap On Apr 15, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Marc Holden wrote: > I got to ask Peter if he actually hated Tom Clark. "No. No, you're > like the second person to ask me about that tonight. It's just an > internet rumor..." So be careful Tom, Peter might try to > overcompensate for previously being less than open and friendly. If > the guy trying to follow you home one evening looks a bit like > Peter Buck, it might actually be him... That's so awesome, Marc. I'm glad somebody else mentioned it to him so he doesn't think I'm some lone psycho. I'm just curious to know if he's read the story. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:35:57 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 >speaking of >which, however, nobody can ever do a more authentic fake Bunnymen song than >the Chemical Brothers/Flaming Lips collaboration "The Golden Path". So you;ve never heard the Babybird song "Farmer", then? I had to check the album cover to convince myself it wasn't those rabbitpeople. > >PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in >his songs? >"I'm not too clear but I'm easy to see" >"Now there's a butterfly on my face, and I'm a number...in a drawer" >"You either take off or you don't; you can't fly by degrees. But fly >an inch and woot, you fly a mile!" Too many is right... I'll throuw the following into the mix: "Love me love me love me - that's what all the papers say - but they used to be trees" "And in the element of laughter - the quick explosion and the slow [your choice]" "Birdshead, what do you know of the sky?" "...exactly like a crocodile in search of a mirage across the undulating sands" and, for the lustbuckets out there: "Oh, Elizabeth Jade - I love the way your triangle's displayed" The whole of Birdshead, Airscape, IODOT or Raymond Chandler Evening should be on the list, really. James now playing - The best of New Model Army (home made comp) now flying - Zambia - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:13:30 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: [RobynHitchcockClub] Re: Club Congress--brief recap Tom Clark says: > That's so awesome, Marc. I'm glad somebody else mentioned it to him > so he doesn't think I'm some lone psycho. I'm just curious to know > if he's read the story. maybe this will eventually end up on snopes.com. so perhaps now we should refer to "the internet rumour about pete buck and tom clark" to improve the story's urban legend potential. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: reap x 22 On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > FSThomas wrote: > > Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > That's the problem Ferris, I would hate to have permits issued to > > > potential road rage whackos as I know a third party who was a > > victim of > > > one who was shot in the stomache after being followed to his > > house. The > > > guy never cooled off, rang the doorbell hours later and shot his > > victim > > > when he opened the door. It happened here in Michigan, where road > > rage > > > is frequent. > > > > "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. > > Ordinary > > citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the > > State." - Heinrich Himmler 1936 > > > A) Godwin's Law > > B) out of respect for the dead, will both of you kindly shut the fuck up. A) Sometimes it comes up for a reason B) "Delete" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:33:18 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 John Irvine says: > Re- TNOTB and SMS: > I've been thoroughly enjoying some 1980 concert clips of TH's in Rome > on the YouTube: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVIKF03KkVM > That's some really fine footage of an unbelievably great live band. i downloaded a copy of probably that from dime and yeah, it's crazy good. it likely just a tad better on disc than on youtube, so if you want a copy, let me know. it's probably PAL format. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #154 ********************************