From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 16 2007 Volume 16 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Arcade Fire ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Arcade Fire [Rex ] Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info [Tom Clark ] Re: Arcade Fire ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: the recent spate of RH press [djini@voicenet.com] Re: reap [craigie* ] Re: Lines etc [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: by any other name... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Like a rolling scone ["Michael Wells" ] RE: Like a rolling scone ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:06 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Arcade Fire Sweeney says: > ...but I've heard a > couple of songs from the new Arcade Fire record i haven't really heard them but what i have heard sounds like at least 50% too many band members. > Used to feel sooooooo plugged in when I still subcribed to the Stone...and > Spin...and Creem (gawd, was that sooooooo long ago)... i subscribe to rolling stone because it's like $12.00 a year and chances are good i would pay that in single-issue purchases if i didn't subscribe. i used to do the same for spin but at some point it got so bad, i couldn't both subscribe and live with myself. i don't remember what it was in particular got so annoying about spin. they were probably taking themselves too seriously. and creem i probably thought was a porn magazine so i never subscribed to that one. also i don't know if rolling stone is still offering it, or how much it cost but at least in theory, i greatly admired the subscription offer to "get rolling stone until you die." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:52:22 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Arcade Fire On 4/15/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > > ...Is it just me, or do the vocals on (at least) "Black Mirror" and "Keep > The Car Running" (which I both enjoy) sound soooooo much like Ian > McCulloch > that I thought (on first hearing) that these songs might've been great > lost > (or new) Echo & the Bunnymen tracks? I read somewhere that they'd seemed to've traded the Talking Heads influence for a Bunnymen one. In retrospect, I can make the connection even in their earlier stuff to McCulloch performances like "A Promise"... speaking of which, however, nobody can ever do a more authentic fake Bunnymen song than the Chemical Brothers/Flaming Lips collaboration "The Golden Path". Somehow I still haven't listened to "Neon Bible" in its entirety. I'll fix that tomorrow. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:03:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info On Sunday, April 15, 2007, at 11:22AM, wrote: >PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in his songs? Too many to catalogue, but a few I've been running through recently are: "I'm not too clear but I'm easy to see" "Now there's a butterfly on my face, and I'm a number...in a drawer" "You either take off or you don't; you can't fly by degrees. But fly an inch and woot, you fly a mile!" And one not penned by Robyn, but floating around my mental RH schema: "Free games for May, seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Emily play" I must say that I think it's very cool that I know [of] someone that was at the original Games of May show and may very likely be at this recreation as well. Cheers, Godders! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:48:54 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Arcade Fire Rex says: > Nonetheless, it's the only one of the three ever to have featured RH on the > cover. Not just his name, but as the actual cover boy. The late '80's > incarnation was briefly fantastic. I prolly still have a few stashed back > at my folks' place in WV. creem? now i'd like to see that. oh wait, still not a porn magazine. xo p.s. anyone know of any other magazines has robyn been on the cover? i have a magnet but that's really recent. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:52:50 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info Godwin, resident historian and lyricist for the supposed Pass the Mike band, proffered: >For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in his songs? >My current fave is 'I'm going to burn your bongos tonight'. Curious -- while not my fave, this particular line lodged itself in my mind last night (plus the "So get me fish eggs and a violin" line; it took a few more minutes for my entropic mind to ID these as being from "Somewhere Apart"). I still vote for "Something Shakespeare never said..." or just the whole of "Cynthia MasK" or "She Doesn't Exist" or "Love Poisoning" or "I'm Only You" or "This Could Be The Day." ...Ah, but he DID say "single lines,": so...the Willy the Shake one...or maybe: "Now you're an astronaut driving a hearse" or the David Byrne bit in "Freeze" or "There's old H.G. Wells / Lying in bed / With his new housekeeper with / Hot squid by their side" or...ah, maybe this is the one these days for me: "I wish I could be / 23 / I could waste time..." (wrote a whole short story - "Waste Time" - inspired by that one), Michael "A. J. Weberman going through Dylan's trash has got nothin' on me..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:04:32 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) Lauren said: >sweeney says: >>>i'm not so sure about this - perhaps it was the philly fegs who were >>>snubbed. >> >>...Ahh -- but it was ME who gave out my location and appearance and >>general >>entourage description on the list..but I'll give you points for the >>airport-limo-type-sign you fashioned that I managed not to spot. >> >>...And, of course, I did say "inadvertently." >unemployed emoticon bites me in the ass again. >and anyway, as the host city, imo, we had the burden of responsibility. No worries -- I felt an unexpressed emoticon in there anyway and saw no rancor or finger-pointing...Just still strikes as funny -- esp. since we found a Chicagoan at our table who recognized me first... (plus..heard "Balloon Man" on our rental car's satellite radio a day or 2 later...and only then found out that my GF -- although accompanying me to RH shows for years and hearing me playing RH CDs about 1 in every 6 or so I've played in the last decade-plus -- had never heard "Balloon Man" until Robyn played it in Philly that night...) Michael Sweeney Accidentally, less than the perfect guest... _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:35:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) On 4/15/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > (plus..heard "Balloon Man" on our rental car's satellite radio a day or 2 > later...and only then found out that my GF -- although accompanying me to > RH > shows for years and hearing me playing RH CDs about 1 in every 6 or so > I've > played in the last decade-plus -- had never heard "Balloon Man" until > Robyn > played it in Philly that night...) It made me unaccountably joyous to hear it live. I sorta forget it exists, and is also rather likeable. The aforementioned midsong acoustic-to-electric swapout put it over the top, but I was already lovin' on it before that. For some reason the show and the Onion article have put me in the mood to listen to Perspex Island of all things. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Reap On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > It's still marginally fashionable to make anti-semitic > > > > > > comments. They are, after all, the source of evil in the world > > > > > > second only to the United States. > > > > > > I took his "source of evil in the world second only to the United > > > States" to be a fairly unequivocal (hyperbolic, attributed) > > > reference to Israel. > > > > Perhaps--but Jews were called that way before 1948--I'm not sure that's > > what he meant. > > Including the "second only to the United States" clause? No, I don't think > so. Perhaps...if it was the age-old story, it would be "the United States, second only to the Jews" :) I'd be interested to hear what he has to say about it, though. > > But there's your answer to where holding such opinions is considered > > fashionable. I wouldn't say it's mainstream, thank God, but it's > > definitely there. > > If "marginally fashionable" means simply "someone, somewhere approves," > then any and everything is "marginally fashionable." There are always > extremists. That does not make their beliefs "fashionable," not even > "marginally fashionable." I guess it just worries me, is all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: the recent spate of RH press Viv wrote: > The Portland show was terrific, and Sean Nelson blew me away by singing one > of my favorite Harry Nilsson songs (Gotta Get Up from The Point). I love the Point! My little sister just named her new dog Arrow, because she's always wanted to be "me and my..." Though the lyrics to some of the songs are kind of out of place on a kids' album ("And in the morning when I wake up/she may be gone/I don't know/And if we wake up just to break up/I'll carry on/Oh yes I will" from that very song, which makes the Arrow of the song take on a rather phallic conotation. Shh, though, I'm not going to ruin my sister's innocent childhood fantasy fulfillment). Gotta Get Up though... Are you sure? Because I don't remember that being on that one. Nilsson Schmilsson maybe? I'm too lazy to check AMG - on vacation! Sounds like a fun night - thanks for the show review! Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:28:46 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: reap I used to have a sig line which said: " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously" and I stand by it today. I think I stole it from Herbert Harrison... but I forget... c* On 15/04/07, Rex wrote: > > On 4/14/07, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > I think too often people imagine that "freedom of speech" means "freedom > > from responsibility or consequences." It doesn't. The idea is that the > > government will not take action against you - and, granted, by > extension, > > an > > ideal of extending pretty broad latitude toward people's speech is > > implicit. > > But that doesn't mean that offensive speech isn't going to be responded > > to, > > isn't going to piss people off (people who might yell at you, throw > things > > at you, or punch you, for example) - and in a commercial environment, it > > doesn't mean that those who are *paying you* might not decide that your > > big > > mouth might not cost them more money than it earns them. You can speak > > freely - but other people are going to respond freely, and there may > well > > be > > consequences. > > > Ironically, this is pretty much "letting the market do its work", an idea > much beloved by the same sorts who cry "thought police" all the > time. I've > always found that funny, anyhow. > > Me, I'm just sick > > of the fact that in many venues - talk radio, Fox news, comedy, > > rock'n'roll > > - people are apparently entertained by other people being assholes.) > > > The excuse is always "they act like everyone else wishes they could > act"... > and that's pretty worrisome in itself. > > -Rex > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:36:58 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lines etc Rex: > Flesh #1 (Beatle Dennis)--with a verse of More Than This (Roxy Music) mixed > in * Right on topic for once! 'More than this' writer slammed for pro-Nazi views: Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:34:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: kevin > Subject: Re: Top 25 Live Albums (#1 may surprise you) > > Include The Last Waltz over Rock Of Ages with those smokin' Allen > Toussaint horn charts? * I see that Allan Toussaint is touring the UK soon. http://www.imnworld.com/IMN/tourdates/artist/35/www.ic.edu >> Hell, "Hen" deserves to be on the list for "Higsons" and "Acid Bird" alone. >> Great live record from a period when there weren't many live records from >> non-stadium acts; portrait of the Egytians of that day without the '80's >> production sheen... good stuff. * And 'Heaven' of course (see below). > That was the first RH recording I heard and I'm still as impressed as > I was the first time I heard it. "Heaven" rules. > Even though it's a junior varsity Robynsong, I've always though the > line "There are no jokes in the bible, Keith, and it's a crying > shame" elevates "Ultra Unbelievable Love" substantially. But maybe > that's two lines. * One line, two lines, who's counting? > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:01:44 -0700 > From: "michael wells" > Subject: RE: Top 25 Live Albums (#1 may surprise you) > > MRG: >> PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in his > songs? My current fave is 'I'm going to burn your bongos tonight'. > > That's always been one of my favorites! But I also like: > + And it rained / Like a slow divorce > + I'll reach your lungs / Like smoke in the orchard / Scattered in bushes / > The firemen laughing > And of course: > + But they had a way with lather! > Michael * Good ones, Michael! > > > godwin says: >> PS For all you fegaholics, what are your favourite single lines in >> his songs? > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:34:19 -0400 > From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info > well that's a hell of a question. that would take me weeks to figure > out. or > at least a few album > spins. there are a few lines of his which come to mind in day-to-day > life way more than others (although that doesn't necessarily make them > favourites): "i always see from my point of view" and who knows why, > but "if i was on my knees, you'd have a good view of my skull". > sometimes when the second one lands in my brain, it's accompanied by > the "and i happen to know you're carrying a chisel" and sometimes not. > First thing that comes to mind is "We're all dancing on God's thumb." > That and "You've got arms you've got legs and you've got Heaven." > Looks like a theme here. But then I was raised among Babtists, and > it's Sunday [snip] > i thought of a favourite: > "and in the element of summer > the cliffs suspended in the heat > the air in columns" > it's not really so quotable but after all this time, i still notice it > very much when i hear the song. it reminds me of those black and > white photographs on "element of light" and how the sun washes things > out in them. also later i read about robyn's love of the isle of > wight and so the lyrics in that song tie in to that too. > xo * Good choice. Have you heard that intro that he used to do about how the cliffs fell into the sea but the ghosts haven't noticed, so they still walk above the waves? And 'Oceanside' is apparently also about Compton Beach. > p.s. sheesh, all that time, i thought he was saying "bang your bongos." > PS can we puh-lease dial down this tedious political stuff? I mean, > we all know Jesus was a communist so that should resolve most of that > debate right there... - - Mike 'I've changed my mind after all this time: I think it really is 'Mucky the pig' Godwin MRG PS: This 'What is semitic?' thing will run and run. For what its worth, I have found the following links: http://foundationstone.com.au/HtmlSupport/WebPage/semiticGenetics.html http://dict.die.net/semitic/ http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic http://www.wikipedia.com/semitic (the section on ethnicity and race is disputed, unsurprisingly) The most useless site I have found was wordweb: http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/SEMITIC Adjective: Semitic si'mitik 1. Of or relating to the group of Semitic languages: "Semitic tongues have a complicated morphology" 2. Of or relating to or characteristic of Semites Semite Noun: Semitic si'mitik 1. A major branch of the Afro-Asiatic language family Derived forms: Semitics; See also: Semite. Type of: Afrasian, Afrasian language, Afroasiatic, Afro-Asiatic, Afroasiatic language, Hamito-Semitic; Encyclopedia: Semitic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:30:20 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - --On 12. April 2007 17:55:14 -0400 Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn says: >> I've somewhat recently joined a "literary circle", really just a bunch of >> people (all female except for me, which isn't much of a surprise) that >> meet about once a month to talk about one or two books all are supposed >> to have read by that time. > > that sounds interesting. what else have you read in the group? for > awhile, i went to a book club Book club is probably the better and less pretentious term. > at a library (i think it was a "great > books" club which is a whole can of worms in itself) Yup :-) > but as usual, i > found myself talking about books much more than actually reading them. How do you mean? Did you talk about books you hadn't read, or did you talk about books you'd read, but not for the club? >> Well, I was responsible for quite a few of them reading >> their first scifi novel ... I suggested a few, and they chose - based on >> my description - "Ubik" by Philip K. Dick. At least one of them didn't >> even finish it, the others didn't really connect. > > i haven't read "ubik". actually, I feel like i've never finished a > philip k. dick book. it seems like the ones i've picked up are really > wonderful for awhile, and about halfway through, i'm like, "what the > fuck is going on?" That's kinda the point, you know. > and then check the cover to make sure i didn't > accidentally switch books. i think I started "the unteleported man", > "just wait 'til last year" and might have even finished "do androids > dream of electric sheep?" I also read "confessions of crap artist" > but didn't connect to it (a book dealer i once met called that one of > his "earth novels" i think was the term.) i get the feeling i would > enjoy short stories written by him because perhaps i wouldn't get so > lost. i really love his ideas, but have trouble with the > implementation i guess. That's what I think about him as well. I'd never count him as one of my favorite authors, but his imagination is fertile ground for all kinds of derivative works, and I don't mean that in a bad way. >> OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, but >> to me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had suggested >> "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A Strange Land" >> and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder if one of those >> would've been more of a success? > > do you know what about the description made the group chose "ubik"? One aspect was definitely that it was shorter than the others :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:44:57 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - --On 13. April 2007 00:58:43 -0500 Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, >> but to me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had >> suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A >> Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder >> if one of those would've been more of a success? > > Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in third. I loved that book when I read it almost 20 years ago, but I guess it's (even more) dated now ... > How could they *not* fall for Little, Big? I even read them the first page! But I think the main reason against was that it's too big. Some of them aren't very fast readers ... maybe I'll try again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:10:19 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - --On 12. April 2007 17:55:14 -0400 Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn says: >> I've somewhat recently joined a "literary circle", really just a bunch of >> people (all female except for me, which isn't much of a surprise) that >> meet about once a month to talk about one or two books all are supposed >> to have read by that time. > > that sounds interesting. what else have you read in the group? Geez, I left out the main part :-) I the past few months we've read: Snow - Orhan Pamuk Nachtzug nach Lissabon - Pascal Mercier (no English translation yet) Hectors Reise oder die Suche nach dem Gl|ck - Francois Lelord (no English translation yet) The Kite Runner - Khaled Hosseini Lost - Hans-Ulrich Treichel (I'm surprised there's a translation out!) I just read: Love Without Resistance - Gilles Rozier I'm currently reading: The Darkroom of Damocles - W.F. Hermans This last one I like a lot so far. It's a Dutch novel that came out shortly after WW II that's been re-discovered. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:35:45 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: all you fegaholics was: Re: QEH no info; Games for May some info mine would be: chickens in a chicken coop / wish they had some human soup. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:18:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) Ken: > yes and no. 'balloon man' is cool; but i think 'television' would be even better: "binga bonga bing bong". amy says that she would rather enjoy having that one on her phone. That's what I was thinking, but that's not the bit they used - the title and "my remote / is in my hand" line. Leave it to people with no sense of music to do ringtones. Nuppy: > A fine road trip that was! Were there any pictures? Rev. Chris' are still up on fegmania: http://www.fegmania.org/live/20021028.html and they feature Dolph's excellent right sideburn in a co-starring role. > A great show too. I thought the 2002 Chicago show was even better than the 2001 one. I agree! Kim's guitar was just sick at the second one. And I guess it never struck me how absolutely awesome Morris is until I stood about 12 feet away for a whole show. Reiflin is good, but not *that* good. Plus he's a dick. Michael "seriously, I have a way with lather" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:20:00 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Top 25 Live Albums (#1 may surprise you) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:39 PM To: 2fs; You F*ckers Subject: Re: Top 25 Live Albums (#1 may surprise you) On 4/15/07, 2fs wrote: >> >> >> I think TNOTB... *is* a better live album than SMS. SMS works better >> in conjunction with the film, and it's a fine live album - but I >> prefer TNOTB... Rex came back with: >Agreed. And there's probably no other band I've ever forgiven for two live albums with only one studio release between 'em, much less enjoyed both records. If anyone else has ever even done that to begin with. I also perfer TNOTB over SMS. The Allman Brothers Band released "Live at The Fillmore East" in 1971, and followed it up in 1972 with the mostly live "Eat a Peach". Of course, the ABB in 1971 was so far superior live to any other rock act at the time that they can be forgiven. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:10:16 -0400 From: miss lesser hamden Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus Three - Metro - Chicago - 2006-11-08 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=143069&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 143069 Title: Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus Three - Metro - Chicago - 2006-11-08 Size: 391.51 MB Category: Rock Uploaded by: Antimudshark Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus Three The Metro Chicago, IL 2006-11-08 Lineage: fm>SoundBlaster>wav>flac Yep...an 'XRT partial set, no doubt. Quality...judge for yourself. Don't really care for his voice, but he does have a way with words and it does grow on you. Intro 0:27 Adventure Rocket Ship 3:05 Ole! Tarantula 4:13 NY Doll 4:02 The Authority Box 2:46 Chinese Bones 4:13 Vibrating 3:01 Television 5:49 Madonna of the Wasps 3:42 Sea-Tac 3:19 Driving Aloud 5:45 (Radio Storm) 4:21 Encore?: Eight Miles High 6:23 W Sucks (But Rumseld Is the Anti-Christ) 2:03 I Wanna Destroy You 3:19 Total Time: 56:36 The Venus 3: Peter Buck: guitar Scott McCaughey: bass, vocals Bill Rieflin: drums ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: re: robyn ringtones ...or perhaps "the face of death"? http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSISL25789320070416 - -or- http://tinyurl.com/3djudu xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:03:01 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Like a rolling scone Mr. Sweeney: > but, of course, I leave it to others to determine whether this was a plus or a minus for the collective "coolness" of the Chicago-area gathering... Certainly not a negative! Though I don't think any of us could really have done much to affect the overwhelming totality that was 'The Lonesome Organist.' I remember Robyn and Morris came up from downstairs and stood directly behind us for part of his set - and I think the group reaction could best be described as "pleasant bemusement." > Used to feel sooooooo plugged in when I still subcribed to the Stone Hrm, I never did...but I do credit them for the occasional album review that sparked a new direction in musical inquiry (more often than not it wasn't a positive review, but reading between the editorial lines I could at least find something worth pursuing). Found Marty Stuart's THIS ONE'S GONNA HURT YOU that way. MRG re Airscape: > Good choice. Have you heard that intro that he used to do about how the cliffs fell into the sea but the ghosts haven't noticed, so they still walk above the waves? And since the coastline has been eroding, the farther out you get the ghosts have different, older costumes. That was the first thing I thought of reading Lauren's comments. Weird. Latest obsession: how bands were so much better with earlier drummers. BOC with Albert Bouchard, Iron Maiden with Clive Burr, etc. Michael "but not Rush, that's a given" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:45:54 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Like a rolling scone Michael "but not Rush, that's a given" Wells wrote: >Latest obsession: how bands were so much better with earlier drummers. >BOC with Albert Bouchard, Iron Maiden with Clive Burr, etc. Jethro Tull with Clive Bunker, Captain Beyond with Bobby Caldwell (one of the great 70's drummers). John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Mick Fleetwood. Traffic with Jim Capladi, even though Jim Gordon was a much better drummer live I suppose. I never bought any Traffic albums after "Low Spark" though. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: reap > I don't know any leftists who want everyone who > disagrees with them to just shut up (and I know a number of leftists). maybe. i know a few who would debate with you until you come around to their way of seeing things. sort of a "if you don't agree with me, then i must be explaining it wrong" kind of thing. then there's the type that argues with the television news. i'm in recovery from that myself. >> the thought police ("they live inside of my head") are not the >> issue. > >Just keep in mind "Hakim Bey"'s assertion in The Temporary Autonomous Zone "You >have to kill the cop in your own head."< searing your conscience with a hot iron, in other words. i prefer the pirate utopias to the free trade zones. i do like the idea of living off the grid; and indeed, sometimes i feel like fletcher christian; but i will always have a hankering for a sweet taste of the dominant culture and all of it's trappings. >>> Imus has a rep for making Jew >>> jokes, but nobody ever tried to get him fired over those. >> >> It's still marginally fashionable to make anti-semitic comments. >> They are, after all, the source of evil in the world second only >> to the United States.< you're making a joke; but there are people who believe this. i think that it is only fashionable if you're jon stewart or woody allen. sometimes it seems like folks who criticize israel are labelled anti-semitic (and they may be); but the various contexts of race, religion, and nationalism for the word "jew" only confuse the issue. >most of those "jew jokes" were specifically directed at his >bosses, so there was sort of a presumption that if his bosses weren't >going after him, it must be semi-kosher. < maybe the bosses were waiting for an opportunity like this one where it wasn't about them. >Ironically, this is pretty much "letting the market do its work", an idea >much beloved by the same sorts who cry "thought police" all the time. < are these the same folks setting up free trade zones just over the border? where are the karma police when you need them? >>I laugh whenever anyone talks about true evil in the world (including >>kitten killers, baby eating, and signs of the Apocalypse), <<<< like this? http://www.ropetalk.com/sounds/bad-laff.au >Is everyone really, in their heart of hearts, a hateful bastard? < i think everyone has that potential. are babies born hateful? no, just needy. i think anyone who doesn't get their needs met can blossom into one. >"do you like bad boys?" >http://www.takebackyourheart.com/ > >but hell, why choose. these days, a girl can have it all. why do i have irene cara's voice in my head? i'm reminded of harvel hendrix' imago therapy that focuses on how we are unconsciously drawn to people like our parents so that they can help us heal the emotional wounds of our childhood. >>PS can we puh-lease dial down this tedious political stuff? I mean, we all know Jesus was a communist so that should resolve most of that debate right there...<< he's just alright with me. i made a comment about jesus being a hippie in a discussion with some of my pentecostal relatives and it was not well-received; so i had to backpeddle a bit and proclaim that he was the first non-violent revolutionary. oh yeah, and he could fly. ken "never left planet earth" the kenster - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #153 ********************************