From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #147 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 13 2007 Volume 16 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 23 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: 23 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: Baseball Songs ["Marc Alberts" ] Vonnegut Reap [Barbara Soutar ] robyn + peter buck vid [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Nick Drake Unreleased LP Due; Exclusive Interview with Drake Producer Joe Boyd [HwyCDRrev@] Re: by any other name... [Steve Schiavo ] Re: by any other name... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Baseball Songs ["Jason Brown" ] Re: Baseball Songs [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Baseball Songs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Baseball Songs [Dolph Chaney ] Re: the recent spate of RH press [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Baseball Songs ["linnig@cox.net" ] Re: the recent spate of RH press ["vivien lyon" ] Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU [kevin ] Re: Baseball Songs [kevin ] Re: Reap [kevin ] Re: I told you. I fuckin' *told* you. But you wouldn't listen. ["Stacke] Re: I told you. I fuckin' *told* you. But you wouldn't listen. [kevin ] Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] 0%rh, 100%ebay ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 23 [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:15:35 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 23 oh kick me...another resend ken says: > but you can blame mcdonald's for making your coffee too hot. too much salt and fat and sugar are your own fault. actually, what are they putting into twinkies anyhow? what if it's soylant green? and what about all of those walls that the kool-aid guy knocked down in the name of thirst? who's liable for those? i say the kool-aid guy gets free fucking reign. in college, i saved proofs of purchase to get plastic kool-aid cups (an homage to the kool-aid guy.) i never got it together enough to save enough to get the matching pitcher. i loved the lime and blue raspberry; i bought it in the weigh-nothing packets to which you had to add sugar (it was about 1/2 teaspoon of pure kool-aid to a quart or two of water.) this was back in those halcyon days before chemicals were bad for you. > http://www.snopes.com/legal/twinkie.htm interesting reading. i recently saw 'the times of harvey milk' not once but twice and did not pick up on the confusion in popular (?) culture between cause and effect in the twinkie defense. twinkies or no twinkies, it was a highly imaginative definition of manslaughter. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:17:49 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 23 kevin says: > actually, what are they putting into twinkies anyhow? what if it's soylant green? > > Here's some info: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A516836 very cool - i like the twinkie experiments. i only wish i had twinkies so i could carry them out. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:25:12 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Baseball Songs Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I need to come up with a small bunch of them for wurk-related > reasons. So far I have: > > Kristin Hersh "Baseball Field" > Billy Bragg & Wilco "Joe DiMaggio Done It Again" > Belle & Sebastian "Piazza New York Catcher" (which I can't use) > John Fogerty "Centerfield" (which I don't have and don't want to use) > Echo & The Bunnymen "Baseball Bill" (which I suspect is stretching > it) > Bob Dylan "Catfish" > Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" (see Fogerty) > > Any of "You Fuckers"(tm) have any suggestions? "Talkin' Baseball - Willy, Mickey and the Duke" - Terry Cashman "Mrs. Robinson" - Simon and Garfunkel (where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio????) "Right Field" - Peter, Paul and Mary "Ty Cobb" - Soundgarden Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:08:00 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Vonnegut Reap Kurt Vonnegut: ''When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in a bad condition in that particular moment, but that same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is 'So it goes'.'' (Slaughterhouse Five.) I loved that guy. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:12:51 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: robyn + peter buck vid _http://www.rhapsody.com/rhapsodyrocksaustin_ (http://www.rhapsody.com/rhapsodyrocksaustin) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:18:03 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Nick Drake Unreleased LP Due; Exclusive Interview with Drake Producer Joe Boyd Articles _http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=11090_ (http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=11090) _News_ (http://harpmagazine.com/news/index.cfm) Nick Drake Unreleased LP Due; Exclusive Interview with Drake Producer Joe Boyd Fred Mills April 11, 2007 On June 19, Tsunami LG/Fontana issues Family Tree, a collection of unreleased tracks from Nick Drake. Culled from the Drake Estate vaults, it comprises material the late folk bard recorded in the late b60s before his debut album, 1969bs Five Leaves Left. These 28 songs include 20 Drake made using a reel to reel at his home (Far Leys in Tanworth In Arden) plus eight recorded on cassette (in Aix En Provence). Two songs, "Poor Mum" and "Try to Remember,b were written and performed by his mother Mollybhence the title, Family Tree. An official press release about the album reads, in part: After Nick Drake's death in 1974, his parents Rodney and Molly Drake began to receive visits from fans compelled to understand more about the source of his music by traveling to the place where he lived and died. For Rodney and Molly, this was no invasion of privacy. On the contrary, aware that this might be the beginning of the recognition that their son had longed for in his lifetime, they invited those fans in and quite often shared the music a young Nick had recorded on an early reel-to-reel recorder. Often fans left with their own cassette tapes of those songs. Some third and fourth generation versions of these tapes circulated among collectors on rare bootlegs for decades. The overwhelming fan demand for unreleased material or stronger versions of these poor-quality bootlegged songs has thrown up a challenge to the estate to release something worthy of his legacy. The Family Tree release will include a letter written from Gabrielle Drake to her brother in which she reminisces about their growing up, their family life, and explains how she has tried to preserve his legacy as she thinks he would approve: bI hope that, in the circumstances, you could have given [the album] your blessing. Or if not, that you could have at least looked on with that wry smile of yours.b Family Tree, unlike Nick's albums which contained only his own material, features the young artist mastering the compositions made famous by Bob Dylan, Blind Boy Fuller, and Jackson C Frank. It also showcases his early songwriting skills. In segues between tracks, the listener hears Nick speaking aloud to himself, even laughing in between takes. The album also includes two versions of songs that ended up on Nick's first album Five Leaves Left which were recorded by his arranger Robert Kirby whilst they were both studying at Cambridge University in 1968. You need only hear Nick and Gabrielle's exquisite blood harmonies on bAll My Trialsbb or Nick playing clarinet with his aunt and uncle on Mozart's b Kegelstatt Triobbto realize that this was a house whose inhabitants entertained themselves and each other by playing music. In the album closer bDo You Ever Remember?b Molly Drake sings not just for their sorrow, but also for the laughter that once resounded throughout a happy, loving home. It's a laughter that resounds - sometimes literally - throughout the whole of Family Tree. Following the release of Family Tree there is also to be an upgraded edition of the 1986 boxed set Fruit Tree (on both CD and vinyl) as well as a DVD of the recent, acclaimed Drake documentary A Skin Too Few. Family Tree Tracklisting: 1. Come In To The Garden (introduction) (Nick Drake) 2. They're Leaving Me Behind (Nick Drake) 3. Time Piece (Nick Drake) 4. Poor Mum (M.Drake) performed by Molly Drake 5. Winter Is Gone (Traditional, arr: Nick Drake) 6. All My Trials (Traditional) performed by Nick and Gabrielle Drake 7. Kegelstatt Trio for clarinet, viola and piano, (W.A. Mozart) 8. Strolling Down the Highway (Bert Jansch) 9. Paddling In Rushmere (Traditional) 10. Cocaine Blues (Traditional) 11. Blossom (Nick Drake) 12. Been Smokin' Too Long (Robin Frederick) 13. Black Mountain Blues (Traditional) 14. Tomorrow Is A Long Time (Bob Dylan) 15. If You Leave Me (Dave Van Ronk) 16. Here Come The Blues (Jackson C. Frank) 17. Sketch 1 (Nick Drake) 18. Blues Run The Game (Jackson C. Frank) 19. My Baby So Sweet (Traditional) 20. Milk And Honey (Jackson C. Frank) 21. Kimbie (Traditional) 22. Bird Flew By (Nick Drake) 23. Rain (Nick Drake) 24. Strange Meeting II (Nick Drake) 25. Day Is Done (Nick Drake) 26. Come Into The Garden (Nick Drake) 27. Way to Blue (Nick Drake) 28. Do You Ever Remember? (M. Drake) performed by Molly Drake *** NICK DRAKE and JOE BOYD: Sharp-eyed HARP readers no doubt spotted, in the current (May) issue, our feature on Drakebs producer, Joe Boyd, in which he talks about his recent memoir White Bicycles. During the course of a lengthy interview with Boyd, he also held forth on Drake, naturally, and for all you Drake fans we present portions of it here. HARP: I have to ask the inevitable Nick Drake question. In your book your descriptions of him are so lyricalbtherebs a passage where youbre describing his hands for exampleband your affection for him comes through so genuinely. So I wondered if, when that Volkswagen ad came out in the early b90s and everyone rediscovered him, given how a lot of us grew up thinking that an artist should never bsell outb by having his music used in commercials, did you feel great that Nick was being discovered, but sad it had to be via that avenue? BOYD: Well, I thought it was pretty good. In fact, at that time, Gabrielle [Nickbs sister]b& I remember the request first coming through from the ad agency. My first response was forget about it, therebs no way Nickbs music should be used in a car commercial. And I was sort of advising Gabrielle. At that time Hannibal had the records out, and Warlock Music, the publishing, was being administered as part of Ryko Music, and so all the licensing requests came through us. The guys at the ad agency or the publishing company said to me, bLook, I know how you feel about Nickbs music being used in a car commercial. But I think you ought to look at the storyboard because itbs kind of interesting.b So they sent me the storyboard and I looked at it, and I wasnbt taking it very seriously, and then I really looked at it, and then again, and I went, bHmmmb&b I studied it and I called up Gabrielle, and I said, bThis is going to sound really weird, but I think we ought to do this.b Because the storyboard was a very accurate portrayal of the way the ad came out, and if you look at [the ad] in the context of the history of automobile advertising on television, itbs a very unusual ad. Therebs no voiceover. You donbt hear any voice except Nickbs. You donbt have any sound except for one slam of a car door and a little crunch of gravel under the wheelsbjust Nickbs music. And I said to myself, Ibm a little astonished theybre proposing spending all this money making this ad, because it looks to me like itbs more an ad for Nick than it is for Volkswagen. And the truth is, I always wanted Nick to reach a wide audience. To reach as many people as possible. And I know the feeling about other types of music, how this is kind of a private, secret society of fans of this particular person, whoever it might be. And when you hear the music in something like a commercialb& I know Ibve heard a blues track or something, say Robert Johnson, suddenly used in a commercial. And you go, aw, jeezb&. Itbs in a way disorienting because something that was so hard to find and rarely heard is suddenly everywhere and you almost wish you were still back at the point where you were thrilled every time you heard it. HARP: Thatbs a natural instinct or reaction for a music lover. BOYD: Yeah. You resent the fact that the hoi polloi is now familiar with the music you used to treasure when nobody else did. But my feeling, wellb& it was different. I might feel that way about, you know, a great tango singer from Argentina that Ibve got some old records by. But thatbs got nothing to do with my own career! Whereas with Nick, itbs like, you know, I felt that was one of the great quests in my life: to get Nickbs music out to a broad audience. So if there was a way to do it that didnbt degrade the music, in a commercial, then I was very happy about it. HARP: But initially you might have been feeling a little dissonance. BOYD: Well, yeah, because the idea of it, in theory, was b bI donbt think so b&b I couldnbt imagine how that would work! HARP: Itbs likely that the Drake commercial was a small turning point in pop history. As you described your experience in looking at the storyboard, it may have changed the way marketers and even consumers like me looked at the role of music in advertising. BOYD: Some advertising, definitely, has become more oblique, more off-center. Volkswagen was obviously pleased with the results because they kept running it. It was around on cable and whatnotbI donbt think it was every on the mainstream national networks, but it was on secondary channels for a year and a half. And you could also go to the Volkswagen website to view the commercial and it would tell you who did the music. That was one of the conditions, what the record was, the label, so people could order it. That was part of the deal. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:58:43 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: by any other name... On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, > but to me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had > suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A > Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder > if one of those would've been more of a success? Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in third. How could they *not* fall for Little, Big? - - Steve _______________ Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: by any other name... On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, > > but to me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had > > suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A > > Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder > > if one of those would've been more of a success? > > Any of them, I would suspect, although the Heinlein might come in > third. How could they *not* fall for Little, Big? Any other Heinlein fans on the list? Thoughts on "Variable Star"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:17:55 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: Baseball Songs Gamblin' With My Love (Pete Rose) - Dan Bern 73 (Barry Bonds) - Dan Bern What Bothers the Spaceman (Bill Lee) - Mono Puff And Bob Dylan played the following on his XM radio show: Take Me Out to the Ball Game - The Skeletons Baseball Boogie - Mabel Scott Baseball Canto - Lawrence Ferlinghetti Three Strikes and You're Out - Cowboy Copas The Ball Game - Sister Wynona Carr Did You See Jackie Robinson Hit That Ball? - Buddy Johnson and His Orchestra Baseball Baby - Johnny Darling Home Run - Chancy Halladay Strike One - Teddy Reynolds Newk's Fadeaway - Sonny Rollins Joe DiMaggio Done It Again - Billy Bragg and Wilco Say Hey - The Treniers The Wizard of Oz - Sam Bush 3rd Base, Dodger Stadium - Ry Cooder Heart - Original Soundtrack: "Damn Yankees" Joltin Joe Dimaggio - Les Brown and His Band of Renown ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:03:13 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Baseball Songs - -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled on 12. April 2007 19:33:34 -0700 regarding Baseball Songs: > I need to come up with a small bunch of them for wurk-related > reasons. So far I have: ... > > Any of "You Fuckers"(tm) have any suggestions? Wild Carnation - Dodger Blue Barbara Manning - The whole "One Perfect Green Blanket" record, especially "Sympath Wreathe (Demise)" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:27:20 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Baseball Songs did someone already mention Walter Johnson - Jonathan Richman ? Stewart (who saw the Jays lose to the Tigers last night, but at least it was from a VIP box.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:35:48 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Baseball Songs Great lists, all. But no Steve Goodman (said the guy who lives a mile from Wrigley Field)? At the very least, you've got -- * Take Me Out to the Ball Game * Go Cubs Go * A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request * Three-Legged Man There's also "The Ballad of Russell Perry" by Vigilantes Of Love. A little searching in eMusic turned these up -- Baseball Ozma Baseball Season Smart Brown Handbag Baseball Evan Lurie Baseball Take-Off (Produced) Charles Ives: Works For Piano Baseball Tickets Col. Bruce Hampton Baseball Theme from A Boy Named Charlie Brown Soundtrack Vince Guaraldi - -- Dolph At 10:04 PM 4/12/2007, 2fs wrote: >On 4/12/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > I need to come up with a small bunch of them for wurk-related > > reasons. So far I have: > > > > Kristin Hersh "Baseball Field" > > Billy Bragg & Wilco "Joe DiMaggio Done It Again" > > Belle & Sebastian "Piazza New York Catcher" (which I can't use) > > John Fogerty "Centerfield" (which I don't have and don't want to use) > > Echo & The Bunnymen "Baseball Bill" (which I suspect is stretching > > it) > > Bob Dylan "Catfish" > > Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" (see Fogerty) > > > > Any of "You Fuckers"(tm) have any suggestions? > > >Curiously enough, half a year ago I made such a mix: < >http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=108811> > >-- > >...Jeff Norman > >The Architectural Dance Society >http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:51:34 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: the recent spate of RH press Hi Viv! Rex is kindly referring to my song "Status Unknown," which was initially contributed to the TINFOIL THOTHS compilation of Feg musicians which he curated a few years back. "Status Unknown" is also available on most of the big download services as part of my CLIMBING MOUNTAIN TIME album. - -- Dolph At 09:34 PM 4/12/2007, vivien lyon wrote: >Me no get this. Me am dumb? > >On 4/12/07, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > > On 4/12/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Jeme, myself, Jim Davies from Oxford, Michael Keefe (formerly of > > > this list) and Michael Wolfe (list status unknown) were all there. > > > > > > Actually, it's Dolph Chaney, list "Status Unknown". > > > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:54:34 -0400 From: "linnig@cox.net" Subject: Re: Baseball Songs Being a lifelong Cub fan, I grew up with "Hey Hey Holy Mackeral" http://members.wri.com/billw/blog/archives/001228.shtml - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:22:29 -0700 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: the recent spate of RH press Oh! All becomes clear! Hi, Dolph! V. On 4/13/07, Dolph Chaney wrote: > > Hi Viv! > > Rex is kindly referring to my song "Status Unknown," which was initially > contributed to the TINFOIL THOTHS compilation of Feg musicians which he > curated a few years back. "Status Unknown" is also available on most of > the big download services as part of my CLIMBING MOUNTAIN TIME album. > > -- Dolph > > At 09:34 PM 4/12/2007, vivien lyon wrote: > >Me no get this. Me am dumb? > > > >On 4/12/07, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Jeme, myself, Jim Davies from Oxford, Michael Keefe > (formerly of > > > > this list) and Michael Wolfe (list status unknown) were all there. > > > > > > > > > Actually, it's Dolph Chaney, list "Status Unknown". > > > > > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:37:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU >It's not as if I thought Cale was utterly humorless and a full-time dropdead >serious artiste...it's more the *character* of the humor that I'd slightly >misread. Can't quite explain it right now - but certainly, I knew he had a >sense of humor. I mean, the whole bit about "parrot shit" etc. is hilarious >in a way that Quentin Tarantino only wishes he could be. I wholeheartedly agree. Thanks for that beautiful observation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:45:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Baseball Songs I hope this isn't a dupe but has anyone come up with John Cale's "Casey At the Bat" yet? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:06:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Reap >- do you believe that his intention was benign but misguided? > >- if so, should he still have been fired? The more I think about this, especially post the CBS firing, the more annoying it gets. Like, Imus has a rep for making Jew jokes, but nobody ever tried to get him fired over those. There are a couple of different kinds of double standard happening in this deal. What it boils down to for me is, there are all these right-wing radio A-holes making all kinds of vile and offensive remarks constantly (and they're not joking) and nobody's trying to hang them from lampposts - but this citizen, who's more of a left-bent A-hole, makes his vile and offensive remark and he's out the window. One entertaining note is that I caught a couple of the Faux News crew speaking in his defense, which is insanely weird but still kind of funny. Maybe they'll hire him to work with Hannity & Combes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:59:15 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: I told you. I fuckin' *told* you. But you wouldn't listen. test: how many have read of the postal history of tonga? <<.>> do the words "poop-hatch" mean anything to you? do the words "poop-hatch" mean anything to you? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:27:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: I told you. I fuckin' *told* you. But you wouldn't listen. >test: how many have read of the postal history of tonga? > do the words "poop-hatch" mean anything to you? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:57 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) Tom Clark says: > And of course a great contingent of Bay Area Fegs, who are cooler > than any other geographically grouped subset of this list. There, I > said it. Bring it on. Oh, tc's just trying to get an easy "you know what, you know who." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:59:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) >Oh, tc's just trying to get an easy "you know what, you know who." > Somebody needs to print up a bunch of t-shirts that just say FUTC in boldface. np: Gomez - Out West. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:08:32 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:34 PM To: a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) Tom Clark says: >> And of course a great contingent of Bay Area Fegs, who are cooler than >> any other geographically grouped subset of this list. There, I said >> it. Bring it on. Lauren wrote: >Oh, tc's just trying to get an easy "you know what, you know who." Pretty great pre-show gathering in Chicago prior to the Soft Boys show, late October 2002. We had more than a dozen folks at a pizza joint down the street from The Double Door. It consisted of some Michigan fegs though (Nuppy was a Michigan feg back then before moving to Ohio). The Soft Boys rocked the Double Door! Mr. Wells was kind enough to be our tour guide around Chicago for a few days. A memorable road trip to be sure, and Nuppy was great company! MJ Bachman NP Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Blood & Chocolate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:25:18 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Spiders and Squids (was Flesh and Blood) Tom Clark says: >> And of course a great contingent of Bay Area Fegs, who are cooler than any other geographically grouped subset of this list. There, I said it. Bring it on. Bachman: > Pretty great pre-show gathering in Chicago prior to the Soft Boys show It's *always* a good time here; maybe Tom's brain is still basking in the post-Buck afterglow. I think that Soft Boys show was the last time I had seen or heard from Doc, prior to a few weeks ago. Plus if you extend the circle a little bit, this area also includes Dolph, Mr. Sweeney, 2fs, the crazed Rev. Chris, Hal, Carissa, Theo, et al. It's a cooler bunch than anywhere else, and dare I say it a much better one looking as well. Long-haired hippy types need not apply, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:31:53 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 23 kevin says: > So I've always regarded Zip as an expression of home-grown American surrealism. As to the mechanics of his behavior, Griffy says the microcephalic brain has no frontal lobes so they lack a sense of time. There's no continuity; they don't discriminate; it's all the same to them. Taco sauce on Ding-Dongs? Why not? > > Hoping this will be of some use to somebody somewhere / KS thanks, kevin, i enjoyed reading your take on zippy. you've inspired me to go wash my corduroy soap dish. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:56 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: 0%rh, 100%ebay what's the minimum time before you can get annoyed with an eBay seller who won't finalize payment details? I won an auction on Monday, and the seller's gone silent. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:21:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 23 On 4/13/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > kevin says: > > So I've always regarded Zip as an expression of home-grown American > surrealism. As to the mechanics of his behavior, Griffy says the > microcephalic brain has no frontal lobes so they lack a sense of > time. There's no continuity; they don't discriminate; it's all the same to > them. Taco sauce on Ding-Dongs? Why not? > > > > Hoping this will be of some use to somebody somewhere / KS > > thanks, kevin, i enjoyed reading your take on zippy. you've inspired > me to go wash my corduroy soap dish. That might be surreal...but you know, is a curduroy soap dish any less bizarre than those carpets that some people surround their toilet with? Perhaps in a house that never sees any male visitors or residents, that might work...but inevitably, over time, there will be splashage when guys use the toilet. Nice moppable floors are essential. As for (and I've actually seen this: my aunt had one when I was a kid) carpeted toilet-seat covers...I will say not a word. Anyway, to more pleasant subject: Zippy at its peak was quite a brilliant, entertaining strip. In many ways, it's too bad Bill Griffith didn't retire shortly afterwards. While the strip still has its moments - and Griffith rarely phones it in in the drawing department, unlike seemingly half the current comics out there - these days it's generally far too predictable, with Griffy (the character, as the "rational" one) ranting and raving about the idiocy of popular culture and Republicans (not that he's not right most of the time...), and Zippy's non-sequiturs nowhere near as, well, Robynesque as they were in the strip's prime. Not to mention Griffith's ongoing obsession with tacky roadside arcana...Bill, here's an idea: start another strip entirely devoted entirely to that subject. That way you won't have to try to shoehorn in characters and dialog when all you're really interested in is the curious signage of a fifties diner. That said, I'll take Zippy any day over the innumerable zombie strips (originated by people long-since dead), the ones that have three gags they recycle endlessly (most of them), the ones that look as they're drawn by "dropping string on the ground and xeroxing it" (Griffith, accurately describing the pathetic artwork of "Cathy" - whose plots and situations are so insultingly inane and stupid that the artwork is actually the strip's best feature), etc. etc. My two favorite daily newspaper comics right now are "Get Fuzzy" and "Pearls Before Swine." Predictable, perhaps - but they are good. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #147 ********************************