From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #146 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 12 2007 Volume 16 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- by any other name... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: 23 [kevin ] Re: by any other name... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Reap [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Reap [FSThomas ] Re: by any other name... [kevin ] Re: Reap [kevin ] Robyn on WXRT this sunday night [hb ] Re: Reap [FSThomas ] Re: Reap ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Reap [kevin ] Re: spoiler [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: by any other name... [2fs ] Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: spoiler ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: the recent spate of RH press [Rex ] Re: Reap [Rex ] Re: Reap [Rex ] Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU [Rex ] Baseball Songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the recent spate of RH press ["vivien lyon" ] Re: Baseball Songs [2fs ] Re: 23 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:34:32 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: by any other name... this just popped up in the section where gmail puts the spam recipes and dictionary.com definitions. sorry, it seemed exciting since i've been watching so much BSG; otherwise i wouldn't have posted it. i've always found it kind of implausible that people will avoid something because it's called science fiction. it seems pretty unimaginative to think you couldn't like anything in a particular genre (hell, even i've seen and loved "unforgiven".) but it's not exactly like i have my finger on the pulse of the nation. wow, look at miss kara with long hair. i wonder who that baby is. http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/news/2007/04/scifighetto_0412 btw, i almost bought a copy of 'the road' now that it's in paperback but decided i don't really need even fictional confirmations of my dark suspicions. it looks like 'the road' is going wide release as it says it's going to be featured on oprah's book club. hey, did anyone follow that oprah book club thing with jonathan franzen? that was a riot. there was a review in the NYT of franzen's fairly recent "memoir" i think they called it, and my oh my, it made franzen sound like *such* an ass. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: 23 - -----Original Message----- >From: Lauren Elizabeth >Sent: Apr 12, 2007 12:03 PM >To: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" >Subject: Re: 23 > >kevin says: >> Polysorbate 60? Hey, that's Zippy's favorite preservative! > >what's the deal with zippy? Zippy is of course the creation of Bill Griffith, who first introduced our beloved pinhead back in the early 70s when pretty much everybody was simultaneously dumb & stoned most of the time...at least everybody I knew. Griffy has had a lot to say about Zippy over the years. Possibly the most interesting tidbit is that there used to be a microcephalic citizen called Zip-the-What-Is-It who was exhibited in the Barnum & Bailey Museum; his real name was William Henry Jackson, and Griffy's full name is William Henry Jackson Griffith. So presumably there's some kind of identification going on. I never cared for Griffith's work back in the olden days because there was something very wooden about his drawing that just put me off. Some years later I went through a period of fascination with the Paris Surrealists and their cultural milieu (yo, go find The Banquet Years by Roger Shattuck one of these days - it's a terrific study of that whole cultural moment), and by a wonderful trick of synchronicity Griffith started doing all kinds of strips in various comics on the same subject. He did a short biography of Rousseau, with Zippy popping in and out of it, that was a thing of beauty. And there was a trick he used for a couple of years where he was identifying Zippy with Alfred Jarry's engravings of Pere Ubu, sort of using them as interchangeable signifiers for one another, and identifying himself with Jarry at the same time. It was a great springboard for the bitter satirical rants he was going in for at the time, and like I sez I was really getting into this since it was an area I was studying pretty intensely myself. Tons o' fun. (And that was about the time the first Pere Ubu records started showing up, which I snapped up on sight, knowing absolutely nothing about the band, and that turned out to be a pretty nifty thing as well.) So I've always regarded Zip as an expression of home-grown American surrealism. As to the mechanics of his behavior, Griffy says the microcephalic brain has no frontal lobes so they lack a sense of time. There's no continuity; they don't discriminate; it's all the same to them. Taco sauce on Ding-Dongs? Why not? Hoping this will be of some use to somebody somewhere / KS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:51:12 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: by any other name... - -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on 12. April 2007 16:34:32 -0400 regarding by any other name...: > i've always found it kind of implausible that people will avoid > something because it's called science fiction. it seems pretty > unimaginative to think you couldn't like anything in a particular > genre (hell, even i've seen and loved "unforgiven".) but it's not > exactly like i have my finger on the pulse of the nation. I've somewhat recently joined a "literary circle", really just a bunch of people (all female except for me, which isn't much of a surprise) that meet about once a month to talk about one or two books all are supposed to have read by that time. Well, I was responsible for quite a few of them reading their first scifi novel ... I suggested a few, and they chose - based on my description - "Ubik" by Philip K. Dick. At least one of them didn't even finish it, the others didn't really connect. OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, but to me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had suggested "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A Strange Land" and "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder if one of those would've been more of a success? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:55:14 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: by any other name... Sebastian Hagedorn says: > I've somewhat recently joined a "literary circle", really just a bunch of > people (all female except for me, which isn't much of a surprise) that meet > about once a month to talk about one or two books all are supposed to have > read by that time. that sounds interesting. what else have you read in the group? for awhile, i went to a book club at a library (i think it was a "great books" club which is a whole can of worms in itself) but as usual, i found myself talking about books much more than actually reading them. > Well, I was responsible for quite a few of them reading > their first scifi novel ... I suggested a few, and they chose - based on my > description - "Ubik" by Philip K. Dick. At least one of them didn't even > finish it, the others didn't really connect. i haven't read "ubik". actually, I feel like i've never finished a philip k. dick book. it seems like the ones i've picked up are really wonderful for awhile, and about halfway through, i'm like, "what the fuck is going on?" and then check the cover to make sure i didn't accidentally switch books. i think I started "the unteleported man", "just wait 'til last year" and might have even finished "do androids dream of electric sheep?" I also read "confessions of crap artist" but didn't connect to it (a book dealer i once met called that one of his "earth novels" i think was the term.) i get the feeling i would enjoy short stories written by him because perhaps i wouldn't get so lost. i really love his ideas, but have trouble with the implementation i guess. > OK, PKD is "special" and I respect his books more than I love them, but to > me it seemed like a fundamental gap ... I'm not sure. I had suggested > "Little, Big" (not really scifi, I know), "Stranger In A Strange Land" and > "The Lathe Of Heaven" as alternatives. I wonder if one of those would've > been more of a success? do you know what about the description made the group chose "ubik"? i keep wanting to read a biography of philip k. dick. i know it would involve wives, speed, and god. i seem to recall that there're (hi jeff) a few different ones out there. xo lauren, unsatisfied until every philip k. dick book is made into a movie p.s. "total recall"  one of the best audio commentaries ever! listen to paul verhoeven's and arnold schwarzenegger's dueling accents. count how many times they explain that the movie operates on two different levels. ride along with arnie as he confuses himself with his character. you can't buy this kind of funor can you? - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap The Imus in the Morning Program http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_en_mu/imus_protests "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:36:39 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Reap - -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled on 12. April 2007 15:05:51 -0700 regarding Reap: > The Imus in the Morning Program > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_en_mu/imus_protests I read the coverage of the "scandal" in the NYT. I'm very unsure how to feel about it. My first impulse was to take it as an example of American over-sensitivity, but I'm not sure. Well, there are certain aspects where I *am* quite sure. Imus was on Al Sharpton's radio show, and there the main argument for the demand that Imus be fired was that it would otherwise give a "precedent" that racial slurs are acceptable. Imus' protestations that it was meant as a joke, albeit a bad one, which I found quite believable, were dismissed in toto as insignificant. In my view that's any kinds of wrong. But I can't figure out or imagine what would happen if something along those lines happened in Germany. Anti-Jewish slurs would definitely trigger similar reactions, but that's really something different. So, I'm curious what you think about the whole story: - - do you believe that his intention was benign but misguided? - - if so, should he still have been fired? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:35:59 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Reap Jeff Dwarf wrote: > The Imus in the Morning Program > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_en_mu/imus_protests I remember him on WNBC (I think it was) growing up as a kid in Connecticut in what was probably the late 70s/early 80s. I was a bit surprised probably four or five years ago when I realized he was still around. His being firing over this is ridiculous. Granted he did lose a LOT of advertisers on MSNBC over it (Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter & Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea), but I don't know of any majors pulling out of his radio show. I find it a bit funny, too, that the first day CNN ran the story (brow-beat is probably a better term) was the same day that ratings were released and Imus' piece of utter crap morning video simulcast of his radio show (talk about watching paint dry) was beating CNN's morning line-up. Example (10 April, 2007): - ------------------------- Morning programs P2+ (25-54) FOX & Friends b 784,000 viewers (298,000) American Morning b 325,000 viewers (120,000) [CNN] Imus in The Morning- 461,000 viewers (143,000) Robin & Co. b 227,000 viewers (165,000) (http://insidecable.blogsome.com/category/ratings/) Was what he said tasteless? Sure. Was it out of line? Possibly (his producer's lines were worse). Does he have a right to say it? Absopositivelutely. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: by any other name... >i haven't read "ubik". actually, I feel like i've never finished a >philip k. dick book. it seems like the ones i've picked up are really >wonderful for awhile, and about halfway through, i'm like, "what the >fuck is going on?" and then check the cover to make sure i didn't >accidentally switch books. Somebody remarked in some snippity review of a Yes record I once read that Steve Howe had a habit of writing guitar parts that he couldn't play well enough to actually execute. That's as it may be, but it sums up my problem with Philip Dick - he had a lot of fascinating ideas but he wasn't that good at putting them on paper. I finally realized what bothered me is that he couldn't write dialogue for shit - every character has the same vocabulary, the same speech patterns, uses the same idioms - the only way to tell the characters apart is when he specifies who's saying what. I suspect it's because so much of his stuff was written flat-out to meet deadlines, with no rewrites, and a lot of help from truckers' little helpers. Which may explain a few other things, like the flatness of affect that's another hallmark of his work - everybody in his novels seems to suffer from a terminal case of doper cool... He did do some very nice stuff though. Always liked The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch, and Clans Of the Alphane Moon - one of the most insanely funny books I know - and a few others. I know the first time I read A Scanner Darkly I called my brother on the phone and read the first couple of pages to him and we both about died laughing. RIP, Phil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: kevin Subject: Re: Reap >So, I'm curious what you think about the whole story: > >- do you believe that his intention was benign but misguided? > >- if so, should he still have been fired? I'm willing to countenance Imus' firing if the same standard of weenie hypersensitivity is applied to Coulter, O'Reilly, Limbaugh et al. the next time any of them says anything similarly stupid and tasteless - and you know they will... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:58:20 -0400 From: hb Subject: Robyn on WXRT this sunday night A friend in Chicago emailed me to say that RH+V3 will be the feature on the XRT Sunday Night Concert this weekend. It's not listed on the website yet (URL: http://www.93xrt.com/pages/65593.php) but here's hoping someone within range can tape / torrent it. Just a heads up - /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:39:19 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Reap kevin wrote: >> So, I'm curious what you think about the whole story: >> >> - do you believe that his intention was benign but misguided? >> >> - if so, should he still have been fired? > > I'm willing to countenance Imus' firing if the same standard of weenie hypersensitivity is applied to Coulter, O'Reilly, Limbaugh et al. the next time any of them says anything similarly stupid and tasteless - and you know they will... And I, too, might greenlight Imus' firing the next time the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, or any of the countless throngs make a racial, ethnic, religious, or sexual slur and are summarily fired and/or driven from the public spotlight. Sharpton accused Steven Pagones of rape and mutilation in the Tawana Brawley matter. He arguably incited murder in the Freddie's Fashion Mart (Harlem) incident while decrying "white interlopers." Over four days he incited the Crown Heights Riot. He bandied the term "diamond merchants" when disparaging a Jewish ambulance crew. Jackson referred to NYC as "hymie town." Jackson promised the Duke case "victim" a college education and now that charges have been dropped and she's been found a liar, he's standing by his offer. One apology? No. Firings? No. Bit of a one-way street, isn't it? Prey all you want for the crucifixion of members of the right, but I would like to see some equal scrutiny and treatment. And Imus was pretty far from a conservative, btw. - -f. /finding it surprising that Rosie O'Donnell of all people is leading the charge, offering worries over the emergence of the Thought Police. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:46:04 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Reap Sebastian Hagedorn says: > So, I'm curious what you think about the whole story: > > - do you believe that his intention was benign but misguided? > > - if so, should he still have been fired? with a caveat that i've never listened to imus' show, my problem with this whole thing is that it's not like he's going down some unpaved 'road less traveled.' i mean, there's a whole culture that uses the word 'ho' in an incredible casual way and i think it's ridiculous to view imus as some kind of cause of the problem instead of a symptom. hell, even my overeducated white girlfriends are calling one another 'bitch' and 'ho' (although they don't use it with me because i would just look at them and roll my eyes big time.) if the culture hadn't been tacitly approving of this language for years, it couldn't have blown up in imus' face. black women (as well as everyone else) need to decide whether it's okay to be called 'ho's and if it's not, make an issue of the use of language before it's ten years later, and imus finally gets in on the action like last decade's news. what do i know though, my defense in calling that faggy hitchcock-stipe duet 'faggy' was the word's tacit approval among my gay friends. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:04:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Reap >Bit of a one-way street, isn't it? > >Prey all you want for the crucifixion of members of the right, but I >would like to see some equal scrutiny and treatment. And Imus was >pretty far from a conservative, btw. > OK, point taken. I'm not Rev.Al's biggest fan either. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:11:24 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: spoiler Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > She wasn't really dead. > >probably quite a few other noir movies, but "she wasn't really dead" >movie of the moment: "body heat." What? Better than "Laura"? For shame... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:26:51 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: by any other name... On 4/12/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > S > > i keep wanting to read a biography of philip k. dick. i know it would > involve wives, speed, and god. Yes, yes, and yes. Kevin's right that as a writer (you know: someone who puts words together into sentences, sentences into paragraphs, and so forth), Dick could be somewhat limited. And indeed that was due to his writing extremely rapidly in order to make ends meet: it's a shame in some ways that, constitutionally, he was incapable of holding an actual job, so that he could have had income. Then again, at one point if I recall, one of his wives (serially, not simultaneously: not a polygamist...) was somewhat wealthy: by that point, though, his writing style (hash the whole thing out in his head; type the whole novel in a white-hot amphetamine haze) was pretty well set. Regardless, it's his ideas that intrigue, for me in particular they way they anticipate the sort of twilit unreality of a thoroughly media-ted world (he was Baudrillard before Baudrillard, in some ways). The other thing you find out in his biographies is that the recurring plots, characters, and situations in his novels are pretty much all (surprise) drawn from his life. On the other hand, he was an exceedingly complex, difficult, and troubled man who, on the one hand, seems to be recalled by everyone he knew as one of the most kind, generous, and charismatic people they'd ever known...despite the fact that he could also be deeply irresponsible and damaging. And of course, he pretty much went bats at the end...but bats in a very interesting, highly rational and intelligent way - in that he tried to *document* his perceptions (the notorious "pink beam of light" thingy, God, etc.) and reason through which things were explicable, which were indicative of malfunctioning brain chemistry, and which were very difficult to explain under either of those other two headings (his diagnosis of his son's medical condition being one of those). i seem to recall that there're (hi > jeff) a few different ones out there. I've read three - although at least one if more about his work: by Patricia Warrick, by D. Sutin, and by Emmanuel Carriere. (Note: not spellchecked) Oh, and this is, miraculously, on topic now: < http://tonerbomb.warpmail.net/blondie.jpg> - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:27:45 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU Bachman (roadie for the theoretical Pass the Mike?) said: >Rex wrote: >>Exactly. That's why I was disappointed when I finally heard "The Blue >>Mask"... for all every great song, there was a doth-protest-too-much song. >>"Women" particularly, but "My House" as well, and... well, the guitars >>sound really good, since Lou hadn't started to pull down the faders on >>Quine yet. > >I love the imagary of Delmor Schwartz's ghost living in the spare bedroom >of >Lou's house, so I can't agree with you on "My House". I think it's a >beautiful >song. ...And, while the "protest-too-much" vibe may be strong on "Women" (but it may also just be after "Rachel," actual women were such a positive change for Lou), the spare guitar intro is so gorgeous that the rest of the song could've been pro-KKK or something (or referring to your parents having sex, for that matter) and I still would've loved it... Michael "Kilgore Trout lives on!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:43:55 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: spoiler James says: > Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > She wasn't really dead. > > > >probably quite a few other noir movies, but "she wasn't really dead" > >movie of the moment: "body heat." > > What? Better than "Laura"? For shame... touche. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:44:05 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: the recent spate of RH press On 4/12/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > > Anyway, Jeme, myself, Jim Davies from Oxford, Michael Keefe (formerly of > this list) and Michael Wolfe (list status unknown) were all there. Actually, it's Dolph Chaney, list "Status Unknown". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:53:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Reap On 4/12/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > The Imus in the Morning Program Heh... we CBS/Paramount employees got an e-mail "from" Les Moonves which scooped the wires on this news by, literally, about a minute and a half. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:56:19 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Reap On 4/12/07, FSThomas wrote: > > ...Thought Police. Is there a Godwin's Law-like rule for the inevitable use of this term in any politcal thread? - -Rx PS, Hitler. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:04:24 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: 2rm apt 1/2VU On 4/12/07, kevin wrote: > > >I love the imagary of Delmor Schwartz's ghost living in the spare bedroom > of Lou's house, so I can't agree with you on "My House". I think it's a > beautiful song. > >MJ Bachman > > Yah, I have to side with the dissenters on that one, it feels more like > Lou trying to impress the grownups to me. The clincher is, when that tune > comes to mind it always segues into CSN/Y doing "Our House." My faves are > "Underneath the Bottle" (one of Uncle Lou's funniest performances), the > Kennedy song and, of course, the title track, already cited here as a mofo > or something similar. "Bottle" is quite good. Sometimes the record is a little issue-laundry-listy... the same thing applies to NY, but NY has more thematic glue (or at least glue that feels more credibly Louish to me). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Baseball Songs I need to come up with a small bunch of them for wurk-related reasons. So far I have: Kristin Hersh "Baseball Field" Billy Bragg & Wilco "Joe DiMaggio Done It Again" Belle & Sebastian "Piazza New York Catcher" (which I can't use) John Fogerty "Centerfield" (which I don't have and don't want to use) Echo & The Bunnymen "Baseball Bill" (which I suspect is stretching it) Bob Dylan "Catfish" Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" (see Fogerty) Any of "You Fuckers"(tm) have any suggestions? "Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:34:46 -0700 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: the recent spate of RH press Me no get this. Me am dumb? On 4/12/07, Rex wrote: > > > > On 4/12/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > > > > > Anyway, Jeme, myself, Jim Davies from Oxford, Michael Keefe (formerly of > > this list) and Michael Wolfe (list status unknown) were all there. > > > Actually, it's Dolph Chaney, list "Status Unknown". > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:04:28 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Baseball Songs On 4/12/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I need to come up with a small bunch of them for wurk-related > reasons. So far I have: > > Kristin Hersh "Baseball Field" > Billy Bragg & Wilco "Joe DiMaggio Done It Again" > Belle & Sebastian "Piazza New York Catcher" (which I can't use) > John Fogerty "Centerfield" (which I don't have and don't want to use) > Echo & The Bunnymen "Baseball Bill" (which I suspect is stretching > it) > Bob Dylan "Catfish" > Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" (see Fogerty) > > Any of "You Fuckers"(tm) have any suggestions? Curiously enough, half a year ago I made such a mix: < http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=108811> - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:13:23 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: 23 ken says: > but you can blame mcdonald's for making your coffee too hot. too much salt and fat and sugar are your own fault. actually, what are they putting into twinkies anyhow? what if it's soylant green? and what about all of those walls that the kool-aid guy knocked down in the name of thirst? who's liable for those? i say the kool-aid guy get free fucking reign. in college, i saved proofs of purchase to get plastic kool-aid cups that were an homage to the kool-aid guy. i never got it together enough to save enough to get the matching pitcher. i loved the lime and blue raspberry; i bought it in the weigh-nken says: > but you can blame mcdonald's for making your coffee too hot. too much salt and fat and sugar are your own fault. actually, what are they putting into twinkies anyhow? what if it's soylant green? and what about all of those walls that the kool-aid guy knocked down in the name of thirst? who's liable for those? i say the kool-aid guy gets free fucking reign. in college, i saved proofs of purchase to get plastic kool-aid cups (an homage to the kool-aid guy.) i never got it together enough to save enough to get the matching pitcher. i loved the lime and blue raspberry; i bought it in the weigh-nothing packets to which you had to add sugar (it was about 1/2 teaspoon of pure kool-aid to a quart or two of water.) this was back in those halcyon days before chemicals were bad for you. > http://www.snopes.com/legal/twinkie.htm interesting reading. i recently saw 'the times of harvey milk' not once but twice and did not pick up on the confusion in popular(?) culture between cause and effect in the twinkie defense. twinkies or no twinkies, it was a highly imaginative definition of manslaughter. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha othing packets with which you had to add sugar (it was about 1/2 teaspoon of pure kool-aid to a quart or two of water.) this was back in those halcyon days before chemicals were bad for you. > http://www.snopes.com/legal/twinkie.htm interesting reading. i recently saw 'the times of harvey milk' not once but twice and did not pick up on the confusion in popular (?) culture between cause and effect in the twinkie defense. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #146 ********************************