From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #123 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 27 2007 Volume 16 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... [Rex ] Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... [2fs ] Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... ["m swedene" ] Re: Apropos of Corn ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: Apropos of Corn [Capuchin ] Re: Apropos of Corn [Capuchin ] Philadelphia Show - Mini-Review ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Philly show setlist ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: Apropos of Corn ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Irritation of the Day [craigie* ] Re: Golden Slumbers [djini@voicenet.com] please repost that Korean babblefish thing [Jill Brand ] robyn joe's pub tonight ? from NY TIMES [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] NY TIMES listings - both robyn shows [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] 10 P.M. (Sundance) ROBYN HITCHCOCK: SEX, FOOD, DEATH ... AND INSECTS [Hwy] Re: Ringtones and the Inevitable ["m swedene" ] extra iron horse ticket? [wojbearpig ] oh yeah, it *sounds* great... [craigie* ] Re: robyn joe's pub tonight ? from NY TIMES [wojbearpig ] Re: Name That Tune ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Apropos of Corn [kevin ] ID this bizarre Robyn video snippet ["Luther Paisley" ] Name That Inappropriate Battlestar Galactica Tune ["Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... On 3/26/07, 2fs wrote: > > > * What's really funny is seeing the first couple of seasons of _X-Files_ > when one of them pulls out a cell phone the size of a shoe. It's pretty > damned funny to see now. And the flashback episodes were really funny... I'm sure we'll be laughing ten years from now, too - what, you actually had > a physical *object* you had to use? Christ, was it made of *wood* too? I useta think, if I have to have a laptop, can its casing be wood? Seriously. I can only assume that it would burn itself up, or someone would've done this by now. Little teak cellphones and stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:25:04 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... On 3/26/07, Rex wrote: > > > > I useta think, if I have to have a laptop, can its casing be wood? > Seriously. I can only assume that it would burn itself up, or someone > would've done this by now. > There's the cost factor to consider...how many people would buy such a thing? I suspect, though, that if you knew a cabinetmaker, or someone who really knew how to work wood, s/he'd be willing to re-case your laptop for you. I don't think the heat thing is an issue if vents and such were carved into it, or it were lined with something or other to direct the heat only toward the vents... But it'd probably cost you a bloody fortune...and it would probably weigh a ton as well. Not terribly feasible commercially, to be sure. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:29:49 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... > And the flashback episodes were really funny... > > I'm sure we'll be laughing ten years from now, too - what, you actually had > > a physical *object* you had to use? Christ, was it made of *wood* too? > > > I useta think, if I have to have a laptop, can its casing be wood? > Seriously. I can only assume that it would burn itself up, or someone > would've done this by now. Little teak cellphones and stuff. > > -Rex I saw something on Gizmodo (I think) last week about wood laptop cases. Doing a quickie google search here is some info: http://www.zaverio.net/laptop/index-en.php http://www.peterkinne.com/ "bringing it back to nature" Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:44:00 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn the reality of the phish breakup is just really affecting my viability right now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, 2fs wrote: > What I find amusing about this (okay, other than the term itself: face > it, "Jesus" in incongruous contexts is comedy gold) is that even though > I hear stories like this all the time from people working for various > businesses - about various kinds of incompetence, dubious priorities, > maneuvering to enhance personal fiefdoms, etc. - there's still this > mythology that "like a corporation" is the ideal way to run things ("We > should run government/universities/school systems/etc. like a > corporation" - with the implication that that's the most efficient way > to achieve goals, eliminate deadweight, etc.). > > Clearly, not. My wife, early in her career, worked for a firm that did > business with McDonald's. The degree of pettiness, waste, incompetence, > and general idiocy was appalling. > > At least government (however corrupt its actors might be) has *some* > sort of direct accountability. Most certainly. I worked in industry for many years and I definitely find public works projects to be more fiscally responsible and more likely to bring about results than private enterprise. The level of incompetence and pettiness, as you wrote, is astounding. At one company, we had a fellow who was enormously incompetent and cost us huge utility every time he tried to do anything (because he'd fuck it up, of course). Everyone knew he was incompetent, but his boss couldn't be bothered to actually do the documentation required to officially fire the guy for it. In the end, he decided that he would send a sexually offensive email from the guy's computer to a coworker while he was in the bathroom and fire him for that. Awesome. Frame him for a crime because it's easier than doing your job. The corporate world seems to be all about throwing good money after bad (as it were). Every project I ever worked on in the telecom industry was delayed and re-specced and revised until a year or so had gone by and nobody knew what the project was supposed to actually do. In the mean time, the problems that lead to the inception of the project were still plaguing us and makeshift band-aids fashioned from paperclips and snot were applied to the weakest spots just so we could get by until the project completed. And the projects never completed. So the whole company ran on paperclips and snot insofar as it ran at all. I really have no idea where people get these crazy ideas that a) private enterprise is efficient with resources, b) efficiency is a benefit in and of itself, and c) public projects are less productive than their private counterparts. I suppose if your definition of productivity means creating a revenue stream for the moneyed few, then you win. But any other definition and you've got a pretty hard debate to win. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Rex wrote: > We should really face it... nobody really knows how to do anything very > well, or else stuff wouldn't go so terribly wrong all the time. That's about half true in my book. Sometimes when I look at really complicated systems and the level of actual understanding in their day-to-day maintenance and operations, I'm impressed that they run at all, however badly. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:37:14 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Philadelphia Show - Mini-Review Band version of "Not Dark Yet": Wow. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Ringtones and the Inevitable One Of Us Said: - ---------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:48:21 -0700 From: Rex Subject: From the YepRoc newsletter... "*in the Yep Roc Web Shop...* "Adventure Rocket Ship" ringtone now available! Click here to check it out. " I think I'm legally to old to be able to legally make use of this... does anyfeg do the "ringtone" thing? Would this come out as a tinny little recording of part of the actual song, or kind of "ba-bleep-bleep blippit bleep" type or affair? - ----------------------------- If you follow the link, you can listen to the ringtone. It's an actual 22-second sample from the song, where Robyn sings something about "Cthulhu having sprung..." Or maybe he says Mucky; can't quite make it out. As for "what can you do about it" expressions, it's hard to beat Vonnegut--"And so it goes." If it was good enough for Linda Ellerbee... Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:37:17 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Philly show setlist A very nice show -- we enjoyed it immensely (but, although leaking my seat location (I was right in front, just below the stomping and swaying Scott McCaughey) and appearance in a previous post, I met no Philly area Fegs (sorry Lauren, Jeanne, Max, et al; prob. my fault - I shoulda given out our cell # or something), but, very strangely, we DID end up sitting (by total coincidence) at the same table as Cynthia from Chicago (!) who stood behind us at the Chicago Metro show in Nov. (!!) and who was in Philly to catch a show with a local friend (small frickin' world, eh?!?)). Anyway - on to the facts (incl. red/brown ameoba/lizard shirt that I must have seen him wear 4 or 5 times in the past) (ranking just ahead of the black and white polka dot jobby): Uncorrected Personality Traits (Robyn w/acoustic) Queen Elvis (add Bill) Red Locust Frenzy (add Scott) 16 Years ("an imaginary song...so imaginary we don't know how it starts...") (add Peter) Sally Was a Legend Ole Tarantula Afterlight Balloon Man (Robyn switches to electric near the end for outro solo, IIRC) Chinese Bones Jewels For Sophia The Underneath The Authority Box Brenda's Iron Sledge City of Shame Madonna of the Wasps (A Man's Gotta Know His Limitations) Briggs (seen it live since - I think - '97 and this was (by far) the shortest version of the intro I've heard) Encore: I Often Dream of Trains (Robyn solo electric) Kingdom of Love* Not Dark Yet Give it to the Soft Boys Nice show, nice night...onto Lindsey Buckingham in Philly tomorrow night (who - sadly - doesn't vary his set much...but still provides a rockin' good time), then continue on our East Coast vacation. ...But first, tomorrow afternoon, a tour of the city...either by double-decker bus or - wait for it - fuck me, baby: a trolleybus...I know what I'm voting for... Michael Sweeney * "This is a moustache that is always looking for a face" - RH, 3/26/07 _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:45:43 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn 2fs says: > > My last workplace was home of the "Jesus Factor" which was the term we > > used when we got some report or piece of code where someone used some > > supposedly empirically derived term which came from God knows where. > > > > Sample usage: "Okay, they took the average and then multiplied it by > > some Jesus Factor." > > > What I find amusing about this (okay, other than the term itself: face it, > "Jesus" in incongruous contexts is comedy gold) is that even though I hear > stories like this all the time from people working for various businesses - > about various kinds of incompetence, dubious priorities, maneuvering to > enhance personal fiefdoms, etc. - there's still this mythology that "like a > corporation" is the ideal way to run things ("We should run > government/universities/school systems/etc. like a corporation" - with the > implication that that's the most efficient way to achieve goals, eliminate > deadweight, etc.). > > Clearly, not. My wife, early in her career, worked for a firm that did > business with McDonald's. The degree of pettiness, waste, incompetence, and > general idiocy was appalling. > > At least government (however corrupt its actors might be) has *some* sort of > direct accountability. With apologies to Jeff as I know his comments are general in nature, but, nevertheless, I respond as though they were personal ;) One thing I want to mention is that the work I was in was software design and implementation. The nature of the work is hugely complex and personally I think a lot more needs to be done to address the issue of how very complex and important it is. I'm surprised that there isn't more focus on this in the industry because of how many processes are dependent upon software as time goes by. Part of the problem is the sort of inherent "water seeking its own level" where e.g. software engineering has responded to the need to be able to build more understandable, easier-to-modify, and ideally more correct systems, and naturally, the world responds to this upgrade only by demanding that much more from the software they use. I've only seen ever seen one of my textbooks make the suggestion of reading a book on computer ethics. I really don't understand it why the topic isn't treated with the seriousness that it deserves. I often wonder whether ultimately it's not just an inherently bad idea to put so much faith in software. But I imagine I'm not the first person who's felt a little hesitant about This Brave New World. Speaking of fast food - there's only so many things that can go wrong with making a hamburger (actually, It's remarkable how many of those things McDonalds manages to do in making a Big Mac.) There's a fairly constant list of demands that people are going to place on food. The amount and types of demands that people place upon software seems to be unending. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:32:18 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Irritation of the Day On 26/03/07, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > > > - Jeanne, whose cats Lulu and Ripper (points for knowing what movie > inspired the names) > are, so far, uninterested in catnip > Pandora's Box? (The one with Louise Brooks IIRC) c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Golden Slumbers > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:46:50 +0000 > From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net > Subject: > > http://www.johnbrooks.com/juggle/ The part of my brain going "holy shit that's cool" kept getting drowned out by another part of my brain yelling "Holy shit, is that Arrested Development-era Henry Winkler?!" Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: please repost that Korean babblefish thing Whoever posted the English to Korean and back again babblefish thing (the one that translated "it is what it is" to "it is a thing", could you please send me the whole thing (directly to me would be fine)? I want to use it at school. Thanks, Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:13:04 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: robyn joe's pub tonight ? from NY TIMES READINGS, PERFORMANCE Dude, He Was So There Joe Boyd was the stage manager of the Newport Folk Festival when Bob Dylan plugged in; helped produce everyone from Pink Floyd to Nick Drake; and was a part owner of the UFO Club, the seminal London venue where, in 1967, the band Tomorrow achieved the erabs _defining moment._ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/arts/music/15boyd.html?ex=1176177600&en=b4 424fd0c9ba2a28&ei=5087) Hebll take questions about sex, drugs, etc., tonight when he reads from his new memoir, bWhite Bicycles: Making Music in the 1960s.b His friends Geoff and Jenni Muldaur and Robyn Hitchcock will join him to reminisce and perform. 7 p.m., _Joebs Pub_ (http://joespub.com/) , 425 Lafayette Street, at Astor Place, East Village, (212) 967-7555, $15. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:20:18 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NY TIMES listings - both robyn shows JOE BOYD (Tuesday) As a record producer in the 1960s, Joe Boyd hopped easily from psychedelia (Pink Floyd) to rustic folk-rock (Fairport Convention, Nick Drake), and his new memoir, bWhite Bicycles,b is just as adroit, tracing a music life through jazz, blues, folk and rock with a revealing clarity. For this reading and performance at Joebs Pub, he will be joined by Geoff Muldaur and Jenni Muldaur. At 7 p.m., Joebs Pub, at the _Public Theater_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/public_t heater/index.h tml?inline=nyt-org) , 425 Lafayette Street, at Astor Place, East Village, (212) 967-7555, _joespub.com_ (http://joespub.com/) ; $15. (Sisario) ROBYN HITCHCOCK AND THE VENUS 3 (Tuesday and Wednesday) Not many pop songwriters can credibly be called surrealists. But Robyn Hitchcock, who emerged in the late 1970s with the Soft Boys, has an irrepressible jabberwocky side, and in front of an audience he is a hilarious monologuist-improviser. Here he plays with the Venus 3, featuring Peter Buck of R.E.M. and two auxiliary members of that band, Scott McCaughey and Bill Rieflin. With Johanna Kunin. At 8 p.m., Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard Street, TriBeCa, (212) 219-3132, _knittingfactory.com_ (http://knittingfactory.com/) ; $25. (Sisario) _http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/arts/music/23Pop.html?_r=1&oref=slogin_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/arts/music/23Pop.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:24:04 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: 10 P.M. (Sundance) ROBYN HITCHCOCK: SEX, FOOD, DEATH ... AND INSECTS 10 P.M. (Sundance) ROBYN HITCHCOCK: SEX, FOOD, DEATH ... AND INSECTS In this hourlong documentary, Mr. Hitchcock (right), the British singer and songwriter, and his band the Venus 3 b including Peter Buck, Bill Rieflin and Scott McCaughey b go a little buggy as they record an album at Mr. Hitchcockbs West London house and then tour in Seattle and Hoboken, N.J. _http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/arts/27tvcol.html_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/arts/27tvcol.html) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:17:37 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: Ringtones and the Inevitable On 3/27/07, David Witzany wrote: > One Of Us Said: > > ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:48:21 -0700 > From: Rex > Subject: From the YepRoc newsletter... > > "*in the Yep Roc Web Shop...* > > > > > "Adventure Rocket Ship" ringtone now available! > Click here to check it > out. > " > > I think I'm legally to old to be able to legally make use of this... does > anyfeg do the "ringtone" thing? Would this come out as a tinny little > recording of part of the actual song, or kind of "ba-bleep-bleep blippit > bleep" type or affair? > ----------------------------- > > If you follow the link, you can listen to the ringtone. It's an actual 22-second sample from the song, where Robyn sings something about "Cthulhu having sprung..." Or maybe he says Mucky; can't quite make it out. > Bringing it back to the early 90's... I think he is saying Bucky... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:57:29 -0400 From: wojbearpig Subject: extra iron horse ticket? beween being a slacker and an unexpected trip to tucson, i hadn't gotten a chance to get tickets for any of the northeast shows this week. i had been toying with going to both knitting factory shows and the iron horse. but i'm flying home tonight and getting in quite late so tuesday night is out and wednesday night is doubtful. and, unfortunately, thursday at the iron horse is sold out and there's no way i'll be able to get there early enough to get one of the limited door sales they'll have. so, anybody got an extra ticket for the iron horse show that they are looking to offload? thanks! woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:46:50 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: oh yeah, it *sounds* great... Just a quick note to all who are awaiting stuff from me... Most of it went out yesterday, so expect it all in about five days... except woj that is - I'm redoing the live stuff for the archive (but I have done the 1991 UK TV DVD and "Gotta Let This Hen Out" videotape... if it helps....) whelks away! c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:09:58 -0400 From: wojbearpig Subject: Re: robyn joe's pub tonight ? from NY TIMES well, joe's pub website mentions robyn: http://joespub.com/caltool/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&performanceID=2814 the knitting factory show is at 8pm. not sure if that is doors or show time, probably show though it's not likely that they would start on time. and there is an opener. so i wouldn't expect to see the venus 3 take the stage before 9:30 and probably not until 10, which would give him enough time to sit in on the joe's pub gig since that'll be done by 9:30 at the latest. so, it's possible but not confirmed. can someone check with joe's pub? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:50:34 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: From the YepRoc newsletter... >From: 2fs >Subject: Re: From the YepRoc newsletter... >Oh wait - there's my new art project: precision, to-scale models of >contemporary techno-objects rendered in 18th-century technology. 'Course, >they wouldn't actually work - but that's the beauty of them: I'm imagining a >Motorola Razr (or however they trendily spell it) made of painstakingly >hand-formed oak, with teensy polished brass digits with hand-carved numeric >insets and ivory inlays for the numerals... Like the keyboard at http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml ? I don't have the patience nor the tools to make one of those, but I'd damnsure buy one for a reasonable price. d9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:58:44 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Name That Tune > "This is a song about money." > > Hint: show date <= 1991 ken gets an "A" for effort. but sadly not for his answer which was "so you think you're love." the correct answer was "balloon man" the particular show i was listening to was 1988-04-09, cabaret metro, chicago (with the egyptians) but he was introducing it that way during other shows around that time. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:17:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn >> We should really face it... nobody really knows how to do anything very >> well, or else stuff wouldn't go so terribly wrong all the time. ...or else we'd all be getting up in the morning to do obeisance before cheesy plastic statues of President-For-Life Nixon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:21:21 -0400 From: "Luther Paisley" Subject: ID this bizarre Robyn video snippet My friend Eskimo Spy is putting together tons of RH footage and he found this clip on one of Michael Brage's (remember him?) VHS compilations. Anyone know anything about this footage? If you've picked up any of the torrents Eddie has put out of ES' stuff, be sure to write to him (I left his email below) and tell him what you think! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eskimospy@aol.com Date: Mar 26, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: weird RH film http://rapidshare.com/files/22917022/Untitled.wmv It's a really small file, because the film is only 45 sec or so. I chose to make it pretty high quality.... Feel free to download and share the link as many times as you'd like. Just scroll down, click "free", wait a minute, and type the code. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:26:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Ringtones and the Inevitable an actual 22-second sample from the song, where Robyn sings something about "Cthulhu having sprung..." I'm waiting for somebody to deliver the really clever ringtones - shattering glass, snarling Rottweiler, crying baby, small arms fire - fun stuff like that. What could be more fun than hearing sqealing brakes and saying, "Excuse me, I need to take this"? Fighting for the right to shout "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse / KS np The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:50:44 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Name That Inappropriate Battlestar Galactica Tune Is "All Along the Watchtower," despite years of overplay, still a kick-ass song? Yes, it is. Did it belong in the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA season finale, where it was used not just as montage backdrop but as an integral component of the actual plot? No frackin' way. I liked it when the characters who kept hearing music (which ones, I will not say - I believe in spoiler-free posts) were hearing something they - and us - couldn't put their finger on, something distant but in their midst, eerie yet comforting, familiar yet indistinct. But to have them quoting Dylan lyrics, right there in the middle of the show - ugh ugh ugh ugh. It just *did not belong* in this show, and the effect to me was jarring, taking me right out of the incredibly important revelations we were witnessing. If they were going to use an actual existing song, why not something obscure, for gosh sakes. Shriekback's "This Big Hush" came to mind for me... "tuned to music no one can hear." And the cover of "All Along the Watchtower" they used was blaringly awful - granted, using Dylan or Hendrix might have been cost prohibitive, but this choice compounded an already atrocious decision. It was like the people who put together those hideous, misleading BSG promos for Sci-Fi, the ones backed by Evanescence-like overemotive current-day "serious" rock music that make the show look like it might be BATTLESTAR EVERWOOD, somehow got ahold of the actual content of the show itself. No complaints about the plot itself: the writers have certainly gotten themselves to another ambitiously eventful juncture, but they've also earned my faith. Now if I could only re-edit this episode... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:56:27 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Name That Inappropriate Battlestar Galactica Tune Well, it was funny. However, I LOVED the way they pulled away from the two vipers at the end - making them and the fleet look like they were falling away from the camera. That looked very cool. Sumi On 3/27/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > Is "All Along the Watchtower," despite years of overplay, still a kick-ass song? > > Yes, it is. > > Did it belong in the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA season finale, where it was > used not just as montage backdrop but as an integral component of the > actual plot? > > No frackin' way. > > I liked it when the characters who kept hearing music (which ones, I > will not say - I believe in spoiler-free posts) were hearing something > they - and us - couldn't put their finger on, something distant but in > their midst, eerie yet comforting, familiar yet indistinct. > > But to have them quoting Dylan lyrics, right there in the middle of > the show - ugh ugh ugh ugh. It just *did not belong* in this show, > and the effect to me was jarring, taking me right out of the > incredibly important revelations we were witnessing. > > If they were going to use an actual existing song, why not something > obscure, for gosh sakes. Shriekback's "This Big Hush" came to mind > for me... "tuned to music no one can hear." > > And the cover of "All Along the Watchtower" they used was blaringly > awful - granted, using Dylan or Hendrix might have been cost > prohibitive, but this choice compounded an already atrocious decision. > It was like the people who put together those hideous, misleading BSG > promos for Sci-Fi, the ones backed by Evanescence-like overemotive > current-day "serious" rock music that make the show look like it might > be BATTLESTAR EVERWOOD, somehow got ahold of the actual content of the > show itself. > > No complaints about the plot itself: the writers have certainly > gotten themselves to another ambitiously eventful juncture, but > they've also earned my faith. Now if I could only re-edit this > episode... > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #123 ********************************