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fegmaniax-digest        Monday, March 26 2007        Volume 16 : Number 121



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Apropos of Corn                        ["Stacked Crooked" <etews@inwa.net>]
  Re: Irritation of the Day         ["Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@gmail.com>]
  Re: Irritation of the Day                   [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn                       [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: Irritation of the Day                 [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Just Say No to Jeb             ["Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  the silent majority is the crime of the century  [ken ostrander <blueridge]
  Re: catnip/hoot hoot!   [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn     [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>]
  Re: Just Say No to Jeb                   [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: Just Say No to Jeb         ["Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: mind fields                              [craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>]
  Re: mind fields                              [craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>]
  Re: Not to-night, dear                   [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: the silent majority is the crime of the century  [craigie* <craigie@gm]
  Re: Apropos of Corn                         [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Venus 3 from the Cradle               ["Larry Tucker" <batchain@gmail.com>]
  Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock 2007-08-30 Bumbershoot Seattle - Schoeps  [Gary Assassin <gsa@panix.co]
  Re: Apropos of Corn            ["Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn                       [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  March 28th - NYC                        ["m swedene" <m.swedene@gmail.com>]
  Re: Venus 3 from the Cradle               [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn            ["Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn                         [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: Irritation of the Day             [kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Just Say No to Jeb               [Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>]
  Re: Apropos of Corn                   [kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Just Say No to Jeb                [kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>]

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:18:30 -0700
From: "Stacked Crooked" <etews@inwa.net>
Subject: Apropos of Corn

our family cat's name was "maverick" -- after george thorogood and the
delaware destroyers' cover of the eponymous teevee show's theme song.  not
sure i'm using "eponymous" correctly there?


<I went to see the Decemberists last night (I *am* repetitive).  I take
back anything lukewarm I have said about them since November.>

i've been listening to *Crane Wife* *a lot* lately.  if i had my '06 list
to do over again, it'd finish much closer to the top-five.


<and Chris Eigeman says "He'll use it - he's a Fourierist!">

for what it's worth, it was taylor nichols' character; and the line was "i
warn you..." (which is even funnier).


<How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it permanently
integrated into U.S. speech patterns?>

<URL:http://dack.com/archive/2006q4.html> (scroll down to november 3rd).

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:36:49 -0400
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Irritation of the Day

Lauren Elizabeth wrote:
> How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it
> permanently integrated into U.S. speech patterns?

Sadly, business english has devolved into a mess of jargons and cliche. 
I have a colleague -- very smart, U Toronto maths MSc, Harvard MBA -- 
who has actually said: "At the end of the day, the bottom line is: it is 
what it is."

  Stewart

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:52:56 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Irritation of the Day

On 3/25/07, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lauren Elizabeth wrote:
> > How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it
> > permanently integrated into U.S. speech patterns?
>
> Sadly, business english has devolved into a mess of jargons and cliche.
> I have a colleague -- very smart, U Toronto maths MSc, Harvard MBA --
> who has actually said: "At the end of the day, the bottom line is: it is
> what it is."


I ran that through Babelfish English to Korean and back again - and got
(phrase by phrase):

It closes one day, is the last line: it is a thing.

Say that instead.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:18:41 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

On 3/25/07, Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> wrote:
>
> our family cat's name was "maverick" -- after george thorogood and the
> delaware destroyers' cover of the eponymous teevee show's theme song.  not
> sure i'm using "eponymous" correctly there?
>
>
> <I went to see the Decemberists last night (I *am* repetitive).  I take
> back anything lukewarm I have said about them since November.>
>
> i've been listening to *Crane Wife* *a lot* lately.  if i had my '06 list
> to do over again, it'd finish much closer to the top-five.


No reason not to... let's all do ours again!

Sonic Youth still wins mine,  though.  A few things that didn't have that
much staying  power would probably drop off, though.

- -Rex

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:19:49 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Irritation of the Day

On 3/25/07, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I ran that through Babelfish English to Korean and back again - and got
> (phrase by phrase):
>
> It closes one day, is the last line: it is a thing.
>
> Say that instead.


Om.

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:47:25 -0400
From: "Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Just Say No to Jeb

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/24/news_pf/State/UF_faculty_to_Bush__Y.shtml
- -or-
http://tinyurl.com/28nmol

Yale will probably be happy to give him one.

xo

- -- 
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: ken ostrander <blueridgekeno@yahoo.com>
Subject: the silent majority is the crime of the century

>Ravi Shankar has two daughters: one is Nora Jones and the other is 
>Anoushka Shankar.
   
  i'd never heard of anoushka until she turned up on sting's 'sacred love' laying down some serious raga.  
   
  >>That just means they're selling it at Starbucks*.
>
>and that they have finally made it.  i try and avoid starbucks
   
  i went into a local starbucks this afternoon just to see what music they had.  i was pretty suprised to see just one little display.  not too many albums; but all recent releases. here's what i recall:
   
  nora
  sergio mendes
  keith urban
  beatles
  decemberists
   
   
   
   
  >>>>>>
  Kind of sad that Peter Buck says that he keeps thinking someday someone will
have a hit w/one of Robyn's songs - presumably implying that's more likely
than Robyn himself having a hit. Probably true: how many 53-year-olds are on
the charts these days who haven't been on the charts already for years?
  <<<<<<
   
  time to start playing starbucks or at least get the album on their little shelf.  maybe r.e.m. should do a cover on their next album?  or maybe scar jo will do an entire album of covers?  
   
  robyn has had hits.  just not big ones.  
   
   
  >>>
  Name That Tune

"This is a song about money."

Hint: show date <= 1991
<<<
   
   
  so you think you're in love?
   
   
  >>
  Robyn Hitchcock
2007-08-30
Bumbershoot
Opera House, Seattle Center, Seattle, WA
<<
   
  the future of rock and roll.  no doubt the precogs have already seen this.
   
   
    >>>>>>>
  >       The U.S. military is working on computers than can scan your mind and
adapt to what you're thinking.
>
>
>   this shouldn't backfire on us, right?

i hate how the best ideas and the worst ideas usually end up being the
same ideas.  it must be difficult to be a good thinker these days
without fearing where your thoughts will end up.  at least it's one
reason to be glad that i'm not a lot smarter.  maybe if you are one of
the good thinkers, it's safer to think in seclusion (well, until the
mind fields are put to good use and there's no such thing as thinking
in seclusion.)
<<<<<<<<
   
  it does seem like the slippery slope toward thoughtcrime.  as ani said,  "the best minds of my generation can't make bail."  all you have to do is be suspected of being mentally disturbed and you can be incarcerated for observation or whatever.  the minority report can be thrown out if you piss off the wrong person.  
   
  there are more spiritual reasons to watch what you think.  according to the secret:  "our lives are a physical manifestation of the thoughts going on in our heads."  in other words, we attract to ourselves those things on which we focus our energies.  

   
   
   
   
  ken    "everything that happens makes sense to someone else"   the kenster
   

 
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:51:52 +0200
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: catnip/hoot hoot!

- -- grutness@slingshot.co.nz is rumored to have mumbled on 26. Mdrz 2007 
11:57:16 +1200 regarding Re: catnip/hoot hoot!:

> That's right - the cat was Slobodan and the dog was Claude. Regularly.

I think the same joke was related maybe half a year ago, but then I did not 
get it ... now I do! So thanks ;-)
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/
"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:59:30 +0200
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

- -- Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> is rumored to have mumbled on 25. Mdrz 
2007 18:18:30 -0700 regarding Apropos of Corn:

> <How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it
> permanently integrated into U.S. speech patterns?>
>
> <URL:http://dack.com/archive/2006q4.html> (scroll down to november 3rd).

So is that really a new expression? If so, who introduced it? In German we 
(sometimes) say: "Es ist wie es ist.", which comes close but isn't the 
same. It means (literally) "It is how it is", but that doesn't sound like 
English to me ...
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/
"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:28:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Jeb

Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/24/news_pf/State/UF_faculty_to_Bush__Y.shtml

The dafted part of the article is this:
> Uhlfelder pointed out that UF's basketball arena is named after
> former university president Stephen C. O'Connell, who as Florida
> Supreme Court justice wrote the 1956 opinion to keep a black
> student from entering the UF law school.

Of course, that's more of a reason to rename the fucking basketball
arena than to name something after Jeb. I would hope though that they
are not naming it after Jeb because of how good a governor Jeb was
(or wasn't) and not because Jeb's brother's has done more to help
alQaida and other such groups than anyone ever could have done
intentionally.

> -or-
> http://tinyurl.com/28nmol

Oddly enough, that led here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/03/24/national/a232153D27.DTL



"Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters

.


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:48:02 -0400
From: "Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Jeb

Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> says:
> > -or-
> > http://tinyurl.com/28nmol
>
> Oddly enough, that led here:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/03/24/national/a232153D27.DTL

D'oh.  Not that odd considering I'm a dope.

Better TinyURL!:
http://tinyurl.com/3d3akj

xo

- -- 
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:24:40 +0100
From: craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mind fields

Mind Fields?

where LAN Minds can be hidden?

One ccaan only dream of Heather Mills' campaign against LAN Minds...

c*



On 25/03/07, Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ken ostrander <blueridgekeno@yahoo.com> says:
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72996-0.html
> >
> >     Pentagon Preps Mind Fields
> >
> >       The U.S. military is working on computers than can scan your mind
> and adapt to what you're thinking.
> >
> >
> >   this shouldn't backfire on us, right?
>
> i hate how the best ideas and the worst ideas usually end up being the
> same ideas.  it must be difficult to be a good thinker these days
> without fearing where your thoughts will end up.  at least it's one
> reason to be glad that i'm not a lot smarter.  maybe if you are one of
> the good thinkers, it's safer to think in seclusion (well, until the
> mind fields are put to good use and there's no such thing as thinking
> in seclusion.)
>
> sometimes i like to read the reader comments especially on website
> where you just know the readers think they are smart.  i liked the one
> guy who pointed out a problem with this statement:
> "and ambushes dropped by more than 380 percent, as a result."
>
> he or she says: "Ambushes dropped 380 percent? Sorry to be obtuse but
> what does that even mean? How can you have a negative number of
> ambushes?"
>
> i guess a negative number of ambushes is perhaps equivalent to a peace
> rally or some rebuilding.
>
> xo
>
> --
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "People with opinions just go around bothering one another."
>
>                   - The Buddha
>



- -- 
first things first, but not necessarily in that order...

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:25:34 +0100
From: craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mind fields

damn my stuttering typing!

c*


On 26/03/07, craigie* <craigie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mind Fields?
>
> where LAN Minds can be hidden?
>
> One ccaan only dream of Heather Mills' campaign against LAN Minds...
>
> c*
>
>
>
> On 25/03/07, Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ken ostrander <blueridgekeno@yahoo.com> says:
> > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72996-0.html
> > >
> > >     Pentagon Preps Mind Fields
> > >
> > >       The U.S. military is working on computers than can scan your
> > mind and adapt to what you're thinking.
> > >
> > >
> > >   this shouldn't backfire on us, right?
> >
> > i hate how the best ideas and the worst ideas usually end up being the
> > same ideas.  it must be difficult to be a good thinker these days
> > without fearing where your thoughts will end up.  at least it's one
> > reason to be glad that i'm not a lot smarter.  maybe if you are one of
> > the good thinkers, it's safer to think in seclusion (well, until the
> > mind fields are put to good use and there's no such thing as thinking
> > in seclusion.)
> >
> > sometimes i like to read the reader comments especially on website
> > where you just know the readers think they are smart.  i liked the one
> > guy who pointed out a problem with this statement:
> > "and ambushes dropped by more than 380 percent, as a result."
> >
> > he or she says: "Ambushes dropped 380 percent? Sorry to be obtuse but
> > what does that even mean? How can you have a negative number of
> > ambushes?"
> >
> > i guess a negative number of ambushes is perhaps equivalent to a peace
> > rally or some rebuilding.
> >
> > xo
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another."
> >
> >                   - The Buddha
> >
>
>
>
> --
> first things first, but not necessarily in that order...
>



- -- 
first things first, but not necessarily in that order...

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Not to-night, dear

2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...or even this century.
> >
> > "Creature that has not had sex for 100m years":
> >
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article1539281.ece
> 
> Will Morrissey write a song about it?

Not now, since he discovered the explosive kegs between his legs, or
whatever that godawful line on that last record was.


"Children have always enjoyed my movies. They are just not allowed to watch many of them." -- John Waters

.


 
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:56:04 +0100
From: craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: the silent majority is the crime of the century

On 26/03/07, ken ostrander <blueridgekeno@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> there are more spiritual reasons to watch what you think.  according to
> the secret:  "our lives are a physical manifestation of the thoughts going
> on in our heads."  in other words, we attract to ourselves those things on
> which we focus our energies.
>
> Now I know THAT'S a lie... otherwise I'd be surrounded by cute redheaded
girl drummers and/or guitarists.  Glasses optional.

c*.

- -- 
first things first, but not necessarily in that order...

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:23:42 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

On 3/26/07, Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
>
> -- Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> is rumored to have mumbled on 25. Mdrz
> 2007 18:18:30 -0700 regarding Apropos of Corn:
>
> > <How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it
> > permanently integrated into U.S. speech patterns?>
> >
> > <URL:http://dack.com/archive/2006q4.html> (scroll down to november 3rd).
>
> So is that really a new expression? If so, who introduced it? In German we
> (sometimes) say: "Es ist wie es ist.", which comes close but isn't the
> same. It means (literally) "It is how it is", but that doesn't sound like
> English to me ...


The insidious thing about such phrases is that you may find yourself using
them even if you're not aware of their vogueness in bizworld. I will confess
to having spoken the phrase "it is what it is" a couple of times...but I had
no idea it was part of the current biz-speak lexicon.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:56:09 -0400
From: "Larry Tucker" <batchain@gmail.com>
Subject: Venus 3 from the Cradle

One of my favorite Robyn shows of recent times. Lots of old favorites played
this past Saturday night at the Cat's Cradle. First time I've heard
"Vibrating" in quite a while. Robyn's voice was clear and strong. The cover
of "Eight Miles High" was at least that or higher. Afterwards all the band
except for Rieflin were readily available for signings and such. They have a
nice tour poster that goes for $25.

SETLIST

Surgery (solo)
Queen Elvis (add Bill)
Flanagan's Song (add Peter)
The Afterlife (add Scott)
Ole Tarantula
Sally Was A Legend
Balloon Man
New York Doll
Flesh Number One (Beatle Dennis)
Vibrating
Television
Brenda's Iron Sledge
Museum Of Sex
Madonna Of The Wasps
(A Man's Gotta Know His Limitations) Briggs
encore
Aw Shit Man (Scott)
Propeller Time
Eight Miles High
Kingdom of Love

Larry

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:17:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Assassin <gsa@panix.com>
Subject: Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock 2007-08-30 Bumbershoot Seattle - Schoeps

Wow, Robyn from the future. Are tix available yet for this show? Actually, 
for anyone who was there, or wil be there, can you tell me if I was there 
so I don't have to go through the trouble of trying to get tix if I was 
not there.

- -- 
Computers are like air conditioning.
Neither one works when you open windows.

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> Robyn Hitchcock
> 2007-08-30
> Bumbershoot
> Opera House, Seattle Center, Seattle, WA
>
> Another unique Seattle show.  Starts out solo, and then joined by his REM buddies (who opened as Tuatara)  for the last portion.  I finally got around to doing a CD transfer, and it has not even been 10 years yet!
>
> Schoeps MK-4 capsules >
> Active collette cables >
> Custom pre-amp / power supply >
> Sony TCD-D8 DAT at 44.1kHz
>
> Processing:
> Sound Forge 8.0: Graphic fades to reduce applause volume
> Waves L1+ Ultramaximizer: limiter, dither, noise shaping
>
> 01 intro
> 02 talk
> 03 Gene Hackman
> 04 talk
> 05 Lysander
> 06 talk
> 07 Serpent At The Gates Of Reason
> 08 Clean Steve
> 09 talk
> 10 My Wife & My Dead Wife
> 11 I'm Only You
> 12 Beautiful Girl
> 13 1974
> 14 Caroline
> 15 You & Oblivion
> 16 talk
> 17 Chinese Bones *
> 18 Queen Of Eyes *#
> 19 Viva Seatac *#
>
> * with members of Tuatara: Peter Buck, Scott McCaughey, & Barret Martin
> # with Tad Hutchinson - drums

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:14:18 -0400
From: "Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> says,
> The insidious thing about such phrases is that you may find yourself using
> them even if you're not aware of their vogueness in bizworld.

That is, "quite literally", true.

xo

- -- 
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:37:25 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

On 3/26/07, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/26/07, Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
> >
> > -- Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> is rumored to have mumbled on 25.
> Mdrz
> > 2007 18:18:30 -0700 regarding Apropos of Corn:
> >
> > > <How long before people stop saying "it is what it is" or is it
> > > permanently integrated into U.S. speech patterns?>
> > >
> > > <URL:http://dack.com/archive/2006q4.html> (scroll down to november
> 3rd).
> >
> > So is that really a new expression? If so, who introduced it? In German
> we
> > (sometimes) say: "Es ist wie es ist.", which comes close but isn't the
> > same. It means (literally) "It is how it is", but that doesn't sound
> like
> > English to me ...
>
>
> The insidious thing about such phrases is that you may find yourself using
> them even if you're not aware of their vogueness in bizworld. I will
> confess
> to having spoken the phrase "it is what it is" a couple of times...but I
> had
> no idea it was part of the current biz-speak lexicon.


I agree completely.  Some of these phrases reach out and slap you with their
inanity, but others creep in beneath the radar.

Once I was trying to record a song for a friend's Christmas compilation.  My
friend was doing a monologue and he brought in a piano accompanist.  I was
having trouble getting the four-track to function and the pianist, who was
trying to impress a woman in the room who was going to record later, kept
pounding his piano and singing "clever" little showtunes of his own
devising, making my job next to impossible.  Whenever I'd ask him to hold
off for a minute, or indeed say anything else, he'd say, "You're just
talking business-ese.  That's business-ese.  I bet you're in
middle-management, aren't you?"  Generally this was in response to me saying
something like "essentially" in my distracted state of futzing with
recording gear.

For a minute or two I tried to argue that real "business-ese" would be
jargon like "re-purposing" or "proactive", but the next time I used an
adverb he started yelping "Business-ese!  Business-ese!", at which point I
asked him whether a very rude suggestion I was about to make to him was also
business-ese, and that was pretty much the end of that.  I guess it was
ultimately funny, because the woman he was trying to impress later told me
that she wrote the whole scene into a spec script for "Sex in (and?) the
City".

"It is what it is"... the sentiment is useful and not by definition lazy:
sometimes you can't change the nature of a thing.  But I take it that these
days it's being used to mean "I can't be bothered to work out the nature of
the thing to begin with", or "Me lazy", is that it?

- -Rex

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:38:07 -0400
From: "m swedene" <m.swedene@gmail.com>
Subject: March 28th - NYC

Any Fegs attending the show at the Knitting Factory on the 28th?

Mike

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:39:21 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Venus 3 from the Cradle

On 3/26/07, Larry Tucker <batchain@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> encore
> Aw Shit Man (Scott)
> Propeller Time
> Eight Miles High
> Kingdom of Love


Ah, I'm much happier with "Kingdom" as the SB's-era closer than "Give It..."

- -Rex

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:54:41 -0400
From: "Lauren Elizabeth" <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> says:
> "It is what it is"... the sentiment is useful and not by definition lazy:
> sometimes you can't change the nature of a thing.  But I take it that these
> days it's being used to mean "I can't be bothered to work out the nature of
> the thing to begin with", or "Me lazy", is that it?

I was saying to someone offlist that I much prefer the old-fashioned
grandma-ish "well, what can you do about it?"

One of things that bothers me about the "it is what it is" phrase is
how it's as of lately said in the same tone of voice as the "whatever"
response, i.e. meaning "I really don't give a shit about what you just
said" as opposed to the grandma tone of resignation which the phrase
deserves.

xo

- -- 
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:34:49 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

On 3/26/07, Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> says:
> > "It is what it is"... the sentiment is useful and not by definition
> lazy:
> > sometimes you can't change the nature of a thing.  But I take it that
> these
> > days it's being used to mean "I can't be bothered to work out the nature
> of
> > the thing to begin with", or "Me lazy", is that it?
>
> I was saying to someone offlist that I much prefer the old-fashioned
> grandma-ish "well, what can you do about it?"
>
> One of things that bothers me about the "it is what it is" phrase is
> how it's as of lately said in the same tone of voice as the "whatever"
> response, i.e. meaning "I really don't give a shit about what you just
> said" as opposed to the grandma tone of resignation which the phrase
> deserves.


I think we should start a trend whereby instead of flatly saying "it is what
it is," we wail, pound our foreheads, and tear out our hair while crying,
"the world is a vale of tears and ever shall be!"

Especially useful as a response to "Has the mail come yet today?"

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:36:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Irritation of the Day

>it is what it is."

All this conveys to me is John Lennon singing something or other off Walls & Bridges so I guess I'm lucky. 

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:47:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Jeb

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Jeff Dwarf wrote:

> Lauren Elizabeth <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/24/news_pf/State/UF_faculty_to_Bush__Y.shtml
>
> The dafted part of the article is this:
> > Uhlfelder pointed out that UF's basketball arena is named after
> > former university president Stephen C. O'Connell, who as Florida
> > Supreme Court justice wrote the 1956 opinion to keep a black
> > student from entering the UF law school.
>
> Of course, that's more of a reason to rename the fucking basketball
> arena than to name something after Jeb. I would hope though that they
> are not naming it after Jeb because of how good a governor Jeb was
> (or wasn't) and not because Jeb's brother's has done more to help
> alQaida and other such groups than anyone ever could have done
> intentionally.

If it were in Seattle, they'd find another O'Connell to "name it after"
rather than changing the name wholesale!

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:53:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Apropos of Corn

><and Chris Eigeman says "He'll use it - he's a Fourierist!">
>
>for what it's worth, it was taylor nichols' character; and the line was "i
>warn you..." (which is even funnier).


Jeez, I need to see it again.  It's obviously been too long.

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:59:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Jeb

>If it were in Seattle, they'd find another O'Connell to "name it after"
>rather than changing the name wholesale!

You mean, like how they renamed King County for MLK rather than our lone sissy Vice-President?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/262697_gcenter13.html

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