From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #112 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 20 2007 Volume 16 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... [kevin ] Carrie wrote [Jill Brand ] Re: Random note [Tom Clark ] Re: Carrie wrote ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #107 [2fs ] Re: Random note ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: Random note ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Random note [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Wanna bet? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Wanna bet? [Tom Clark ] Re: Wanna bet? [Tom Clark ] Re: Wanna bet? [2fs ] Re: Wanna bet? [Tom Clark ] Re: Random note [Tom Clark ] Re: Wanna bet? [kevin ] Re: Wanna bet? [2fs ] Re: Random note [Rex ] now spring is here, you know i throw myself right under [ken ostrander ] Re: digital vs film [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Joe Boyd interview on Fresh Air [Steve Schiavo ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #111 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] reap [Steve Schiavo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:46:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... >> Rex says: >> > As a semi-avid manual luddite myself, and also being pretty damned poor, >> I >> > just don't like digital cameras. I've always loved crappy old thrift shop cameras myself. I used to have a Kodak Brownie that must have dated from WWII that set me back about a quarter. It had cracks and light leaks and flaws in the lens, but it took pictures that looked like transmissions from another world. Messed-up antique tech can be tons of fun. What I'd really love is a Pixelvision movie camera but I don't anticipate finding one of those any time soon... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:08:39 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... kevin says: > I've always loved crappy old thrift shop cameras myself. I used to have a Kodak Brownie that must have dated from WWII that set me back about a quarter. It had cracks and light leaks and flaws in the lens, but it took pictures that looked like transmissions from another world. Messed-up antique tech can be tons of fun. What I'd really love is a Pixelvision movie camera but I don't anticipate finding one of those any time soon... I think there's been a bit of groundswell of interest in very simple cameras such as the holga and pinhole cameras. also the old photographic processes have become more popular as well. i take it as a natural reaction against the speed and sophistication of digital processes. there is a lot of interest in these "alternative processes" - some are alternative, others are really just old. my photography teacher makes emulsion out of egg whites for his 11 x 14 negatives and all other kinds of crazy, interesting stuff. he teaches conventional photography of course, but also e.g. http://www.projectbasho.org/workshops/2007spring/collodion.html silver printing is certainly not going to get any less expensive, and the choice of options is becoming more limited. the medical industry drives the market and digital is a hell of lot less expensive. who knows how long ilford will be around? it never hurts to know how to roll your own. pinhole photography day, 2005: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2005/index.php?gc=y i love looking at this stuff. i always felt like a camera was sort of a great equalizer and i like the way it gives a look into someone else's head by showing something that person has noticed and cared enough about to photograph. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:38:29 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: ScarJo's jubblies > From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > > I have a little Scarlett Johansson preoccupation. Don't we all? > Oh, jeez, I love this line, only because it's true: "but doesn't the > cut of the dress make the ladies look, unbelievably, both droopy and > perky?" Oh, and Dude, "ladies" is not the prefered nomenclature. "Jubblies," please. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Carrie wrote Carrie wrote: np: Cul De Sac: Death of the Sun OK, that's cool. My good friend Glenn is in Cul de Sac. If you ever get the opportunity to see them do live music for Murnau's silent film Faust, you'll be in for a treat. Jill, sussing out babka websites for Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:17:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Random note On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > My girlfriend and I often (OK: occasionally) (OK, OK: once or > twice) debate our selections for overall "Weirdest Celebrity > Couples" (her picks: Warren Beatty and Madonna; Cher and a young > Tom Cruise)...but I have always considered the trophy retired with > the late-70s marriage of Peter Wolf and Faye Dunaway. Wha? How > did that happen? And can you imagine that pillow talk? > > PW: Jamma wamma slamma (unintelligible)!! > FD: Sister, daughter; sister. daughter; she's my sister...AND my > daughter! > PW: Where's my Magic Dick? Whoooooooo!! > FD: NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!!!! I'm still trying to get my head around Courtney Cox and David Arquette. Not that I'm a fan of either, but they just seem so opposite. I'm also confused about *anybody* dating Billy Bob Thornton. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:27:34 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Carrie wrote Jill Brand says: > Jill, sussing out babka websites for Lauren Oh, good, perhaps I'll have to do my own battle of the babkas... xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:33:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #107 On 3/20/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > Here's a worthy date for that alien: > > http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2007/03/random_fug.html > > > Warning: the GFY website is a time-suck par excellence, if you happen to > be amused by > > fashion trainwrecks. > > ...So I can't exactly thank you for that, Jeanne. Oh but I can. I mean, yes, it's over the top - but I may have my own ideas as to what that phrase might mean as applied to Miss Poland there. I have a little Scarlett Johansson preoccupation. I already am > getting myself in trouble: > http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2006/11/the_fugstige.html > > Oh, jeez, I love this line, only because it's true: "but doesn't the > cut of the dress make the ladies look, unbelievably, both droopy and > perky?" MEMO TO: Scarlet Johansson Dress Design Division FROM: Director NOTE: It has recently come to our attention that Scarlet Johansson, like all "women," is endowed with what are known as "breasts," a pair of fleshy lumps (as in the well-known Black-Eyed Peas song) in the upper chest region. Apparently, in fact, her "breasts" are rather larger than average for human "females," in fact. While I realize that the dress is all but finished, please do what you can to accommodate Ms. Johansson's "breasts" (see attached image* for placement and geometry of same). Maybe just add a strap or two, or something? I'm lost. - ---- I mean, I can't figure it out any other way. Did they just *forget*? * Sorry guys - no image actually attached - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:37:33 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Random note Tom Clark says: > I'm also confused about *anybody* dating Billy Bob Thornton. Dating him? Counting the number of divorces, it looks like they usually *marry* him. Billy Bob Thornton is a really interesting guy which counts for a lot. But he's interesting to the point of maybe a bit crazy so that's a problem. You gotta love some who has a genuine fear of antique furniture. Well when I say "you" I actually mean "I". BTW, have you folks all seen "A Simple Plan"? That's a winner. I'm even a fan of "The Gift" which I believe was co-written by Thornton. The Cate Blanchett character was based on Thornton's mother. It also features the Blanchett-Giovanni Ribisi power duo which was only rivalled when they repaired in "Heaven" (a great movie written by Kieslowski and directed by "Run Lola Run" guy Tom Tykwer (warning: it's a fair bit quieter than "Run Lola Run.")) xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:06:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Random note - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Elizabeth Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:38 PM To: let that be your last battlefield Subject: Re: Random note Tom Clark says: >> I'm also confused about *anybody* dating Billy Bob Thornton. Lauren: >Dating him? Counting the number of divorces, it looks like they usually *marry* him. >Billy Bob Thornton is a really interesting guy which counts for a lot. > But he's interesting to the point of maybe a bit crazy so that's a problem. You gotta love some who has a genuine fear >of antique furniture. Well when I say "you" I actually mean "I". >I'm even a fan of "The Gift" which I believe was co-written by Thornton. >The Cate Blanchett character was based on Thornton's mother. It also features the Blanchett-Giovanni Ribisi power duo which was only rivalled when they repaired in "Heaven". I would make it a power trio in "The Gift" as Keanu Reeves actually is quiet convincing as the backwards red neck hick. A real hick though would have had a bunch of NASCAR stickers on the back of his truck, and Keanu's character's truck didn't have one. I am guessing NASCAR and the sponsors of the popular drivers would have something to say about that though if a #3 or #8 would have been on the back of that truck. I bet I have I have lent my DVD copy of "The Gift" to at lease 5 people at work. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:19:20 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Random note - -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Mdrz 2007 14:37:33 -0400 regarding Re: Random note: > BTW, have you folks all seen "A Simple Plan"? Yes. > That's a winner. Absolutely, although I've seen it only once when it came out. I loved Bill Paxton in it. > I'm > even a fan of "The Gift" I'm not familiar with that one. Ah, it never was released in Germany, it just played at the Cologne Fantasy Filmfest - obviously I could've seen it there, but I didn't. > which I believe was co-written by Thornton. > The Cate Blanchett character was based on Thornton's mother. It also > features the Blanchett-Giovanni Ribisi power duo which was only > rivalled when they repaired in "Heaven" (a great movie written by > Kieslowski and directed by "Run Lola Run" guy Tom Tykwer (warning: > it's a fair bit quieter than "Run Lola Run.")) And I like it much more than "Lola rennt". I'm a big fan of Tykwer's but I passed on "Perfume", because I hated the novel with a vengeance. My favorite Tykwer movie is probably "Der Krieger und die Kaiserin", aka "The Princess and the Warrior". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:34:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Wanna bet? The most successful German TV show has been sold to ABC: What's surprising to me is that it's been on for more than 25 years! It was *the* show to watch when I was a teenager. The ratings are still extremely good (and the show often provides Monday morning headlines for the tabloids), but I personally haven't watched it in a long time. So why is it only being picked up *now*? I'm curious how it will fare in the US. I suppose it depends to a great deal on the host(s). - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:59:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Wanna bet? On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > The most successful German TV show has been sold to ABC: > > > > What's surprising to me is that it's been on for more than 25 > years! It was *the* show to watch when I was a teenager. The > ratings are still extremely good (and the show often provides > Monday morning headlines for the tabloids), but I personally > haven't watched it in a long time. So why is it only being picked > up *now*? > Because Hollywood has run out of ideas? Seriously, Hollywood used to employ the most creative TV people in the world. Now let's look at a couple of the most popular shows on American TV: American Idol (UK?), The Office (UK), Ugly Betty (Columbia?), Big Brother (Somewhere in Europe), and others. I guess it's a good thing that creativity is given a chance to flourish no matter where it originates, but the only decent idea out of the above lot must be The Office. If you're gonna copy something, copy something worthwhile. > I'm curious how it will fare in the US. I suppose it depends to a > great deal on the host(s). Who look like a couple of twits. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:13:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Wanna bet? On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> The most successful German TV show has been sold to ABC: >> >> >> >> What's surprising to me is that it's been on for more than 25 >> years! It was *the* show to watch when I was a teenager. The >> ratings are still extremely good (and the show often provides >> Monday morning headlines for the tabloids), but I personally >> haven't watched it in a long time. So why is it only being picked >> up *now*? >> > > Because Hollywood has run out of ideas? Seriously, Hollywood used > to employ the most creative TV people in the world. Now let's look > at a couple of the most popular shows on American TV: American > Idol (UK?), The Office (UK), Ugly Betty (Columbia?), Big Brother > (Somewhere in Europe), and others. I guess it's a good thing that > creativity is given a chance to flourish no matter where it > originates, but the only decent idea out of the above lot must be > The Office. If you're gonna copy something, copy something > worthwhile. > > >> I'm curious how it will fare in the US. I suppose it depends to a >> great deal on the host(s). > > Who look like a couple of twits. > > -tc Wow, I sure am grumpy today! Probably because I just lost seven minutes of my life to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGO2hVA3P58 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:28:15 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wanna bet? On 3/20/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > The most successful German TV show has been sold to ABC: > > > > > > > > > > Because Hollywood has run out of ideas? Seriously, Hollywood used to > employ the most creative TV people in the world. Now let's look at a > couple of the most popular shows on American TV: American Idol > (UK?), The Office (UK), Ugly Betty (Columbia?), Big Brother > (Somewhere in Europe), and others. I guess it's a good thing that > creativity is given a chance to flourish no matter where it > originates, but the only decent idea out of the above lot must be The > Office. If you're gonna copy something, copy something worthwhile. Is it time to grumble about how in comparison, _Arrested Development_ - a cleverly conceived, brilliantly executed, and savagely smart and funny show - - sputtered and burned? It is? Consider the grumble grumbled then. (But then, this is the nation that more or less elected W. And whose citizens, by and large, get pissed off when asked to pay for education but are more than willing to pay to build those same decrepit schools enormous football stadia for their 1.2 GPA players to grunt and sweat in... And those are the more academically proficient among them...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:16:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Wanna bet? On Mar 20, 2007, at 3:28 PM, 2fs wrote: > (But then, this is the nation that more or less elected W. Twice! > And whose > citizens, by and large, get pissed off when asked to pay for > education but > are more than willing to pay to build those same decrepit schools > enormous > football stadia for their 1.2 GPA players to grunt and sweat in... > And those > are the more academically proficient among them...) I refer you to the first two minutes of the movie "Idiocracy" (NSFW language): Scary 'cuz it's true. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:21:45 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Random note On Mar 20, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Dating him? Counting the number of divorces, it looks like they > usually *marry* him. > > Billy Bob Thornton is a really interesting guy which counts for a lot. > But he's interesting to the point of maybe a bit crazy so that's a > problem. You gotta love some who has a genuine fear of antique > furniture. Well when I say "you" I actually mean "I". I had to come up with a reason why I don't think Angelina Jolie is "hot" anymore. All I could come up with was the fact that she's been "BillyBob'd". Basically, anyplace Billy Bob's been, I don't want to be, if you get my drift. Of course this also means that my wife has had to cross off Brad Pitt, since he's been BillyBob'd by proxy. Similar algorithms apply to Dennis Rodman and Dave Navarro. Which of course means Carmen Electra is near radioactive. I can't believe I put so much thought into this. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:31:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Wanna bet? >Scary 'cuz it's true. Or to Cyril Kornbluth's short story "The Marching Morons," one of the finest achievements of 20th-century fiction in English. Brief precis at http://www.bonitanews.com/news/2007/mar/11/ben_bova_marching_morons_show_prescience_science_f/?print=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:41:32 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wanna bet? On 3/20/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2007, at 3:28 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > (But then, this is the nation that more or less elected W. > > Twice! Or: noneth. But even so, that it was even close enough to be stolen is scary. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:04:34 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Random note On 3/20/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > I had to come up with a reason why I don't think Angelina Jolie is > "hot" anymore. All I could come up with was the fact that she's been > "BillyBob'd". Basically, anyplace Billy Bob's been, I don't want to > be, if you get my drift. Of course this also means that my wife has > had to cross off Brad Pitt, since he's been BillyBob'd by proxy. > > Similar algorithms apply to Dennis Rodman and Dave Navarro. Which of > course means Carmen Electra is near radioactive. > > I can't believe I put so much thought into this. I never really found her that hot, but I think that the crazy aura of association with Billy Bob never really left her, because otherwise I can't figure out why she and Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston are on the covers of the gossip rags with as much frequency as genuine train wrecks like Britney, Paris etc. I guess they (the Pitts) are kind of viewed as "too perfect specimens of humanity", but it seems like half of what's written about them is probably not true (does Brad really start making secret calls to Jen all the time, and does Angelina really call her up and threaten her all the time?) when plenty of folks with only a slightly lower star wattage are doing genuinely alarming things, and the only really crazy shit that seems to happen to Brad & Angelina is that journalists are willing to wreck rickshaws to get close to them. Or maybe they just have "it". I'm unable to perceive "it" so I wouldn't know. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ken ostrander Subject: now spring is here, you know i throw myself right under happy equinox everyone! - --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:40:00 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > pinhole photography day, 2005: > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2005/index.php?gc=y I did it in 2004. Must participate this year. I have one of the most pleasing cameras ever built: . Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:53:03 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Wanna bet? Tom Clark wrote: > > Now let's look at a > couple of the most popular shows on American TV: American Idol (UK?), ... That's not exactly a new phenomenon (doo doo di doo doo): All In The Family, Sanford & Son, Three's Company, ... > Who look like a couple of twits. Hoo yeah. Ant & Dec; complete prannets both. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:07:41 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: digital vs film > >I don't get it. It should be relatively easy to make a lens that can at > >least do f1.8 if not f1.4 on a digital body--you just need to be willing to > >sacrifice zoom (another feature that seems useful but makes learning how to > >make photos more difficult). So the only cameras that can shoot with a > >fairly open aperture are those with removable lenses like SLRs and the Leica > >(a digital rangefinder that is way too big to be a solid candids camera even > >though it probably has the best lenses for the job ever made). It really > >sucks--I want a rangefinder for a few things rangefinders do really well, > >like candids, but you can't do that digitally with a camera the size of a > >brick or a lens that slow. A whole school of photography is going to die > >unless Voigtlander or Konica or Leica get off their butts and finally make a > >decent digital rangefinder. > >Well, I bought my digital slr in the fall of 2004 and am still >thrilled. But I did learn to make pictures on my old Minolta SRT101 >and Nikon F2 analog beauties. And I still put a roll or two of film >through them here and there. In 2005, I actually left the analogs at >home and only shot with my Nikon D70 and a Holga on a 3 week trip to >Turkey. Didn't take my computer either - just made cd's every couple >of days at internet cafes. Worked just fine. > >I have had great success shooting from the hip with my digital slr. >It's not been a problem to capture candid images, it's not so loud >as to take notice. I've not had anyone comment or question when I >shot candid shots at a market or street fair or wherever. > >And it weighs slightly less than the Minolta, which I carted all >over Eastern Europe on several occasions. So that hasn't been much >of a bother. But I've never been of the school of hiding my cameras. >Well, ok, the Rollei 35s that I took with me the first time I went >to Eastern Europe fit in the palm of my hand and added that >dimension of feeling a bit like a spy to the whole trip, which was >strange enough since it was a 4 month study/travel solo journey >commenced a little less than 6 months after the Berlin Wall fell. With me, I'd been taking photos for years with my old Canon A-1, complete with 28-50mm, 50mm and 80-200mm lenses. Developed my own B&W, too, and had a working darkroom for a while. Since I use photographs as the models for my paintings, I shoot a lot of photographs, and with a digital I take 7-8 times as many for virtually no cost (I've taken some 6000 since I got my Fujifilm S5500 a couple of years back), which allows for bracketing, which I would have been unable to afford with film. I reckon the camera has paid for itself several times over. This also has environmental advantages - A few discs and a couple of cards (which I usually refer to as clips - the name seems to make more sense to me), over loads of chemical-soaked paper and cellulose. The quietness is a BIG advantage for candid shots (as is the fact that so many people have cameras around their necks nowadays that very few people take any notice). The delay is a HUGE problem a far as I'm concerned, particularly for candid, wildlife, and action shots. I still use the film camera every now and again, but only for the type of specialist shots that the digital can't do. The really big advantages of the digital, other than cost, are (1) its weight (try carrying a film camera and three lenses around for a while and you'll know what I mean - now I just carry the digital and a couple of filters) and (2) its light sensitivity - although they're rated with similar ASA/ISO ratings to film cameras, they seem to be able to cope with an astonishing range of lighting conditions. I agree about the open aperture, but for me the advantages far outweigh the shortcomings, and there';s always film to fall back on if necessary. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:17:40 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Joe Boyd interview on Fresh Air Well worth a listen. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:19:35 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #111 >It's just George being humble again. This also explains why, years later, >Ringo 'forgets the words to the song he wrote' when attempting it live. you saying it's impossible to forget the words of a song you've written while performing live? 'Cause if so, I've done the impossible. Also, although it does sound like a George song to me, too, there's certainly no reason why George shouldn't make a demo of a song that his friend Richie had written. Ain't no law against that. It's worth noting that a couple of Beatles encyclopedias which i own list the song as written by Starr and produced by Harrison, which would explain the added George-like sound. One of them ("The Beatles Forever", N. Schaffner, 1977 - which despite its tacky title is very informative and AFAICT highly accurate) says the following: "Four months prior to his Nashville trip, Ringo had recorded one of his own compositions in London, with a little help from [Voorman, Stills and Harrison], who contributed some highly Beatle-ish guitar hooks and also produced in his best Spector style. But "It don't come easy" rested in the can for thirteen months, during the counrse of which Hharrison [experimented with the piece and] overdubbed a chewy horn section. When the single finally materialized in April 1971, however, it gave quite a jolt to those who had supposed Ringo incapable of turning out a memorable - and commercial - record..." I can only suggest that the demo came from George's experiments late 70-early 71. james - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:22:34 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: reap > John W. Backus, who assembled and led the I.B.M. team that created > Fortran, the first widely used programming language, which helped > open the door to modern computing, died on Saturday at his home in > Ashland, Ore. He was 82. - - Steve ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #112 ********************************