From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #103 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 16 2007 Volume 16 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... [Rex ] Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... [Tom Clark ] Anywhere near Bath this Saturday? [Steve Schiavo ] RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... ["Marc Alberts" ] It's so easy to slip, it's so easy to FA..ALL [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... ["Bachman, Michael" Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On 3/15/07, 2fs wrote: > > > I suspect that's a bandwidth/space problem - and as such, a problem that > will most likely disappear pretty quickly. > > I mean, it's pretty easy to remember when uploading a Word document (via > dial-up modem) took like an hour - now we fly around entire CDs-worth of > mp3s in five minutes. > > Only a matter of time. I anticipate an uptick in the sale of large-screen > laptops with wide aspect ratios to correspond... I don't think that'll do the trick entirely-- most people just don't want to watch whole movies on PC's-- but Apple seems to have anticipated that with that iMovie thingy, so it is indeed just around the corner. But I do think that it's kinda funny that DVD sales managed to cannibalize themselves in more than one way *before* downloading even got off the ground, basically proving that the bubble was going to burst anyway. Entertainment industries always seem to fear the wrong things. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Bowie Kuhn http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2799887 "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:29:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On Mar 15, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Rex wrote: >> >> Only a matter of time. I anticipate an uptick in the sale of large- >> screen >> laptops with wide aspect ratios to correspond... > > I don't think that'll do the trick entirely-- most people just > don't want to > watch whole movies on PC's-- but Apple seems to have anticipated > that with > that iMovie thingy, so it is indeed just around the corner. The issue seems to be the fact that people don't want to buy a lot of movies, they want more of a pay per view model like Netflix. Now bring that over to the iTunes experience - people want to *buy* music, but *rent* movies. Apple's model doesn't account for that, unfortunately. Hasn't stopped us from selling a gazillion movies, but one has to wonder if the novelty will wear off as it did for DVD's. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Rex wrote: > Oh, and the TV-show thing... decent box-sets of TV show seasons > were very novel. But with the release this week of "Bosom > Buddies: The Complete First Season", I think we can pretty much > say that well has run dry, with the exception of ongoing series. Not until "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" comes out. "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:06:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On 3/15/07, Rex wrote: > > > > On 3/15/07, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > I suspect that's a bandwidth/space problem - and as such, a problem that > > will most likely disappear pretty quickly. > > > > I mean, it's pretty easy to remember when uploading a Word document (via > > dial-up modem) took like an hour - now we fly around entire CDs-worth of > > mp3s in five minutes. > > > > Only a matter of time. I anticipate an uptick in the sale of > > large-screen > > laptops with wide aspect ratios to correspond... > > > I don't think that'll do the trick entirely-- most people just don't want > to watch whole movies on PC's-- but Apple seems to have anticipated that > with that iMovie thingy, so it is indeed just around the corner. But I do > think that it's kinda funny that DVD sales managed to cannibalize themselves > in more than one way *before* downloading even got off the ground, basically > proving that the bubble was going to burst anyway. Entertainment industries > always seem to fear the wrong things. > And fail to anticipate the right ones. But while I agree that most people, currently, "don't want to watch whole movies on PCs," I think once the difference between the size and scale of a computer screen and TV screen on the one hand, and the resolution and depth of image on the other, both are minimized, that argument will make less and less sense. In other words, once you have a screen in the corner that could be either a flat-screen TV or a computer screen, and you can't tell which just from the quality of the image, the argument about "sitting at PCs" will be null and void - because there'll be no effective difference between sitting and staring at a TV and sitting and staring at a monitor screen. That would mean a change in resolution for monitors - is that doable or feasible? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:30:58 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > Hi Fegs, > > Well, it's costing me being on Feglist. My recent Amazon purchased arrived: > > 1. "Funhouse" - with bonus disc - after listening to "Raw Power" for a > few days, I decided MJ was indeed right about this album and so I > finally got a proper copy (i.e. I no longer can play my cassette in > the car.) BTW, MJ, that was Stooges, what's your pick for solo Iggy? > Do you get kicked out of the club if it's not "The Idiot"? I don't > dare risk it... > "The Idiot" or "Lust For Life". I really need to revisit them, if pressed though it would be "The Idiot" based on stronger material. I love the bass on the title cult "Lust For Life". Certainly one of the great song openings of all time. MJ Bachman Great Go-Betweens vid from TOGWT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VAiTRAzJLM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:38:02 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Rex says: > I don't think that'll do the trick entirely-- most people just don't want to > watch whole movies on PC's-- but Apple seems to have anticipated that with > that iMovie thingy, so it is indeed just around the corner. I have to say, though, I've seen some Apple monitors that would make me want to sit in front of my computer pretty much regardless of what was on it. xo P.S. "Friends" was not all that funny a show IMO, but once in awhile, it hit a home run. There's this one time when Joey's talking to someone who doesn't have a television, and he's quite perplexed by the idea and says, "But where do you point all your furniture?" ...or something like that. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:47:12 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... MJ says: > "The Idiot" or "Lust For Life". I really need to revisit them, if pressed > though it would be "The Idiot" based on stronger material. I love the bass > on the title cult "Lust For Life". Certainly one of the great song openings > of all time. For a long time, it was "Lust for Life" with me. That was when I first discovered Iggy and was on a bit of a revolt from my years of listening to Bowie. There are some songs on that album that are quite dear to me. Oh my, I love that line "you know I go crazy / over your black leather boots / I know, that's not normal" (or something like that.) It still makes me laugh. I love "Some Weird Sin", "The Passenger", and "Neighborhood Threat" (remember that period when Bowie got so shitty that he had to ruin songs he wrote with Iggy. That was embarrassing.) Sadly, the actual song "Lust for Life" got too much T.V. commercial and movie soundtrack at one point, but it is truly a fine opener, I have to admit. I do still like to hear it for the caribbean cruise commercial. Later when I calmed down, I fell into "The Idiot" more. I like the sort of frightening dreaminess of it, and also how well the cover matches the feeling of the album. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:50:50 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Steal This Post Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I'd go with E. Probably Broken Toy Shop. Very poor, but good. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:56:44 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Anywhere near Bath this Saturday? Crowded House webcast. > Be amongst the first to see and hear the newly reformed Crowded > House line up in a VERY intimate setting... your own home, in front > of your computer. Crowded House have just about finished their > brand new studio album "Time On Earth" and are now rehearsing > before taking the new band on the road for the first time in 10 > years, starting with the Coachella Festival in California on April > 29. The band are currently rehearsing near Bath, in the UK, and > they'd like to introduce you to their new drummer. This Saturday > 17th March, the band will be performing new tracks and old > favorites for a special live interactive webcast at 10pm GMT > (3.00pm Los Angeles, 9.00am Sunday Sydney, 10.00am Sunday NZ), > through www.crowdedhouseofficial.com . The band will take time > during the performance to read out comments and answer questions > from you. You can email your comments and questions to: > questions@crowdedhouseofficial.com now and the band will answer as > many as they can. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:44:33 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Jeff wrote: > > > I suspect that's a bandwidth/space problem - and as such, a problem > that > > > will most likely disappear pretty quickly. > > > > > > I mean, it's pretty easy to remember when uploading a Word document > (via > > > dial-up modem) took like an hour - now we fly around entire CDs- > worth of > > > mp3s in five minutes. > > > > > > Only a matter of time. I anticipate an uptick in the sale of > > > large-screen > > > laptops with wide aspect ratios to correspond... > > > > > > I don't think that'll do the trick entirely-- most people just don't > want > > to watch whole movies on PC's-- but Apple seems to have anticipated > that > > with that iMovie thingy, so it is indeed just around the corner. But > I do > > think that it's kinda funny that DVD sales managed to cannibalize > themselves > > in more than one way *before* downloading even got off the ground, > basically > > proving that the bubble was going to burst anyway. Entertainment > industries > > always seem to fear the wrong things. > > > > > And fail to anticipate the right ones. > > But while I agree that most people, currently, "don't want to watch > whole > movies on PCs," I think once the difference between the size and scale > of a > computer screen and TV screen on the one hand, and the resolution and > depth > of image on the other, both are minimized, that argument will make less > and > less sense. I don't think that will really happen, though. The trend is towards a consolidation for computer formats that favors laptops rather than the ol' box-n-monitor types (eWeek predicts that this year will be the first year that laptop revenues exceed desktop revenues industry-wide, and this is despite the fact that the vast majority of enterprise hardware purchases are still desktops, illustrating just how big the consumer laptop market share has become), and that trend seems to be accelerating rapidly. The largest laptops that now exist are the none-too-lap-friendly 20" laptops by manufacturers such as Dell, and they aren't the ones that sell. Sub-notebooks, 15.4" and 17" widescreens are the preferred format. So basically, over the last 10-15 years, the average monitor size in use has remained fairly constant, but the format of the computers used with those screens has changed dramatically. Instead, people will (and have) moved to watching whole movies on PCs, but instead of using their normal home PCs they use things like TiVo or Media Center PCs or XBox 360s that are purpose-built PCs for playing video signals. At least, that's how Apple is betting with iTV, and that is the way Microsoft, Dell and HP have already bet. > > In other words, once you have a screen in the corner that could be > either a > flat-screen TV or a computer screen, and you can't tell which just from > the > quality of the image, the argument about "sitting at PCs" will be null > and > void - because there'll be no effective difference between sitting and > staring at a TV and sitting and staring at a monitor screen. > > That would mean a change in resolution for monitors - is that doable or > feasible? Well, virtually every LCD and Plasma on the market has a variation available with PC inputs, I'd say we're already there. People just don't seem to like their computing locked to a monitor that weighs over 90lbs anymore, and would rather watch a video they downloaded to their XBoxes or TiVos on their plasma while surfing the web on their much-smaller laptop screens. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:09:25 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is well, *that's* been printed out and will be goping to the pub with me this weekend. too funny... c* "The problem with most people is they're not like me" Vivian Stanshall in "Sir Henry at Rawlinson End" pt 37. On 15/03/07, Rex wrote: > > On 3/15/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > Benjamin Lukoff says: > > > Kind of a good summary, no? > > > > That's in part why it was so memorable. > > > > Ugh, it's clearly to post my all-time favourite (apologies if it's > > been posted before). I couldn't even begin to go into how funny I > > think this is: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/science.facts.html > > > This combined with the "Essential 200" list reminds me of a discarded > "history of music" essay I once found on the floor of the library in high > school. It started out talking about classical music in vague terms, and > ended kind of thusly, as verbatim as I can recall it across the gulf of > years: > > "Later people started using guitars in they're music. The groups that did > this was Elvis and the Beatles. Then came the music of today with the > cool > skynards and the sick-o pinheads. The end." > > -Rex (kinda true when you think about it) > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:20:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is - -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on 15. Mdrz 2007 00:51:13 -0400 regarding Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is: > There was a bit on probably "All Things Considered" many years ago > that was someone reporting after they had gone around collecting > overheard bits of misinformation. I wish I could remember some more, > but the one I remember was some guy overheard explaining how fax > machines work: "It's like two xerox machines hooked up by telephone." Hm, that's not *entirely* wrong, is it? I mean if you wanted to explain what a fax machine is to someone from the late 1960s who just had been woken up from cryogenic sleep, wouldn't that be an adequate explanation of the general principle? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:59:23 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On 16/03/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Sadly, the actual song "Lust for Life" got > too much T.V. commercial and movie soundtrack at one point, but it is > truly a fine opener, I have to admit. I do still like to hear it for > the caribbean cruise commercial. > It amuses the hell out of Iggy how that song grew legs after being in Trainspotting... and it's making him tidy sums from the advertising, despite its 'real' message... c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:10:28 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Attack of the clones! R2-D2 Enlisted As Honorary Collector For America's Mail Posted: March 15, 2007 It's official! This just in from Lucasfilm: *"WASHINGTON, D.C. & SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. =96 Tomorrow morning in neighborhoods and street corners not so far, far away, hundreds of official U.S. Postal Service blue collection boxes will be transformed into look-alikes of Star Wars character R2-D2 to promote an exciting new adventure on which the Postal Service is embarking with Lucasfilm Ltd. As the legion of Star Wars fans around the world first learned 30 years ago= , R2-D2 is the feisty astromech droid who embodies the trust and dependabilit= y for which the Postal Service is so renowned. The R2-D2 collection boxes will temporarily replace boxes in highly visible locations across the country. Customers can, of course, drop mail into them just like any other of the 280,000 collection boxes, but there's a striking difference visually: Not only do the R2-D2 boxes look like the ever-popuar Star Wars character, they feature the address of a website that gives clues about the real meaning behind this unprecedented promotion =97 uspsjedimaster.com . More details about the promotion will be announced March 28. Look for the R2-D2 mailbox near you=85 until then, "May the Force be with you."* ** - --=20 first things first, but not necessarily in that order... [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of moz-screenshot.jpg] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pixel.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:27:58 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: It's so easy to slip, it's so easy to FA..ALL Amen! Mike Godwin, who only saw Little Feat once, when they memorably blew the Doobie Brothers (including Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter') off the stage at the Rainbow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:55:57 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Dwarf Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:37 PM To: Tom Waits's Kevlar Porkpie Hat Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Rex wrote: >> Oh, and the TV-show thing... decent box-sets of TV show seasons were >> very novel. But with the release this week of "Bosom >> Buddies: The Complete First Season", I think we can pretty much say >> that well has run dry, with the exception of ongoing series. >Not until "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" comes out. Lot's of 50's and 60's TV shows series have probably not been released yet. Petticoat Junction, F-Troop, Branded, Broadside, etc. My favorite obscure 60's television show, although it got mentioned in Reservoir Dogs, was Honey West. She had a pet ocelot and drove a Shelby Cobra, and you can't get much more 60's cool than that. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:03:33 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... But... did she buy it from Iggy Pop's Oceleot Shop? c* On 16/03/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Dwarf > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:37 PM > To: Tom Waits's Kevlar Porkpie Hat > Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... > > Rex wrote: > >> Oh, and the TV-show thing... decent box-sets of TV show seasons were > >> very novel. But with the release this week of "Bosom > >> Buddies: The Complete First Season", I think we can pretty much say > >> that well has run dry, with the exception of ongoing series. > > >Not until "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" comes out. > > Lot's of 50's and 60's TV shows series have probably not been released > yet. Petticoat Junction, F-Troop, Branded, Broadside, etc. My favorite > obscure 60's television show, although it got mentioned in Reservoir > Dogs, was Honey West. She had a pet ocelot and drove a Shelby Cobra, and > you can't get much more 60's cool than that. > > MJ Bachman > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:22:30 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Dwarf Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:48 PM To: Lauren Elizabeth; crustaceans ripped my flesh Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > I say: > > I wanted to get "The Science of Sleep" but was well-behaved and > > ordered it from Netflix. > >BTW, I don't really understand the phenomenon of DVD sales. I have > >come across people with these massive DVD collections and it always > >strikes me as strange because I mean, how many times do people watch a > >movie? Especially run-of-the-mill movies? I mean, why in God's name > >would someone buy a copy of "The Break Up"? Are people just too lazy > >or impatient to rent? Jeff came back with: >Supposedly, the DVD sales have started slowing down as people realize they don't need to be so indiscriminate in movie ownership. >But some people really, really, really love Jennifer Anniston and/or Vince Vaughn. Yeah, and then there's folks like me still waiting "Ruby In Paradise", Ashley Judd's first movie and best performance, to be released on DVD while all the latest Jennifer Anniston and/or Vince Vaughn crap is being released. A Criterion edition of Goddard's "My Life to Live" would be nice as well! MJ Bachman NP Lucinda Williams - West ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:31:05 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Hmm, doubtful as Iggy was still attending school at Ypsilanti High back in 1965, but not to often I bet. _____ From: craigie* [mailto:craigie@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:04 AM To: Bachman, Michael Cc: Jeff Dwarf; Tom Waits's Kevlar Porkpie Hat Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... But... did she buy it from Iggy Pop's Oceleot Shop? c* On 16/03/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Dwarf Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:37 PM To: Tom Waits's Kevlar Porkpie Hat Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... Rex wrote: >> Oh, and the TV-show thing... decent box-sets of TV show seasons were >> very novel. But with the release this week of "Bosom >> Buddies: The Complete First Season", I think we can pretty much say >> that well has run dry, with the exception of ongoing series. >Not until "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" comes out. Lot's of 50's and 60's TV shows series have probably not been released yet. Petticoat Junction, F-Troop, Branded, Broadside, etc. My favorite obscure 60's television show, although it got mentioned in Reservoir Dogs, was Honey West. She had a pet ocelot and drove a Shelby Cobra, and you can't get much more 60's cool than that. MJ Bachman - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:49:52 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On 3/16/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Hmm, doubtful as Iggy was still attending school at Ypsilanti High back > in 1965, but not to often I bet. The Igster was class valedictorian - so I guess he must have shown up most of the time. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:01:03 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Like you're dying to know what I just got... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of 2fs Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:50 AM To: Not Reg Subject: Re: Like you're dying to know what I just got... On 3/16/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> Hmm, doubtful as Iggy was still attending school at Ypsilanti High >> back in 1965, but not to often I bet. Jeff wrote: >The Igster was class valedictorian - so I guess he must have shown up most of the time. A teenager with talents, or did the musical endeavors start after high school? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:03:16 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Mr. Rogers", and I blame society . consolation prize: this year was the quickest in the smoe era to 100 digests (besting 1998 by four and one-half hours). <> but it's not actually the *fish* that's trolled, but rather the *line*, right? ...and i don't think i'd write "runned start" either. it's an enigma. one man's garbage. i've a friend who's an aspiring director, and who has tonnes and tonnes of movies by (what i consider to be) at-best marginal directors. he loves 'em. his son loves 'em. they watch 'em all the time. well, with blank DVDs at twenty-five cents a pop, most of those rentals are probably being ripped and burnt, i would guess. actually, that was laserdisc. and i was once a laserdisc-snob who didn't really feel a need to upgrade to DVD -- until DVDs geared toward the collector or cineaste began to be relased (which was not, at first, the case). well, that's not totally accurate. i actually was forced to purchase a DVD player when i learnt that *Storefront Hitchcock* was not going to be released on laserdisc; but didn't become a DVD enthusiast until criterion started doing for DVD what it'd previously done for laserdisc (and others started following suit). i'm not gonna say it's impossible. but it's probably very unlikely. if we're at peak oil right now, which appears to be the case; that means we're at peak energy. and that means we're at peak infrastructure. silicon valley is the past; new orleans is the future. and, yeah, i know y'all are probably sick of me droning on about this all the time... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #103 ********************************