From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #100 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 14 2007 Volume 16 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Possibly old news... ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: movie talk ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: Possibly old news... ["Michael Sweeney" ] PS again ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: movie talk [Carrie Galbraith ] Robyn will be appearing with Joe Boyd, performing songs by the people he mention [HwyCDRre] Re: movie talk [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] RE: undigested [kevin ] reap, not quite instant [Steve Schiavo ] Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is [Rex ] Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is [Rex ] Re: My title is "The Pope", and my cat smells like something Eb's butt dragged in [Rex ] Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is ["Michael Sweeney" Subject: RE: Possibly old news... Lauren wrote: >Then I pretended to be Nina Van Horn from "Just Shoot Me!" - a very >underappreciated sitcom character IMO - and apparently she was not in >the database. What a travesty. But for all those who want to pretend >to be her, she's there now. >But you all probably want to pretend to be dictators anyway ;) >Guess the Dictator and/or Television Sit-Com Character: >http://www.smalltime.com/dictator.html What fun! I was only the 2nd player to think of Hymie the robot from "Get Smart!"...and I stumped the computer on Ursula (Phoebe's twin sister) from "Mad About You"/"Friends." ...Then I tried the dictator approach...and realized I didn't know enough about my chosen obscure dic (Enver Hoxha -- mostly for the bizarre name) to fully answer all the queries. Oh well...Wait -- I'll go back and try Rufus T. Firefly and see what it comes up with! Michael "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It" Sweeney (...and, yes, I know that that's Prof. John Quincy Wagstaff's song (and Rufus' song was "Wait 'Til I Get Through With It"), but I like the "Horsefeathers" song better...and hardly a day goes by that I don't find some reason to say or think, "Whatever it is...I'm against it!") _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:25:23 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: movie talk > Swiches, kill? That sets of bells ringing. One of my favorite X-Files > episodes: Kill Switch. > http://redwolf.com.au/xfiles/season05/5x11.html Oh, that's the one with the virtual reality themes in it? William Gibson worked on that one. That's the one where Mulder gets strapped up to the reality machine and wakes to face the evil blonde nurse (who looked like she walked straight off the liner notes of a Pulp album)? > Off to finish viewing the X-Files epsisode Paper Clip. The last part of the > three part Anazazi-The Blessing Way-Paper Clip story arc with the MJ files > and where Mulder's dad and Scully's sister are killed. Oh, I am so bad with the titles for that show. I know the episode where Scully's sister is killed - is Mulder's father killed in the same episode or just nearby that one? "The X-Files" is one of those shows that didn't show the title when the show actually ran. You learn the titles if you work for the show, or if you are a civilian, you wait for the unauthorized guides (my friend Ty says always go for the unauthorized over the authorized merchandise), testosterone brigade, or DVD releases. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:40:33 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: RE: Possibly old news... P.S. -- it didn't know Rufus T. Firefly of Fredonia...but it does now! (I may have misled the program a little bit...but he DOES have a bad moustache...and then it guessed Hitler...lol) _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:21:05 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: PS again ...did I say "John Quincy..."? I meant (of course) "Prof. Quincy Adams Wagstaff." It IS late, but I should know my Groucho characters without a) doubting myself an hour later, or b) looking it up... Michael "Making like Harpo now and shutting up (honk!)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:48:12 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: movie talk On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:25 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > (my friend Ty says always go for > the unauthorized over the authorized merchandise), testosterone > brigade, or DVD releases. I'm inclined to agree with your friend Ty. Somewhere, deep in my library, I have an "unauthorized" biography of the Rolling Stones that I bought with my allowance money in '71 or '72. A lot of coverage of the Circus event, Altamont and the film Performance, which I still think is mind-blowing and just recently was released on DVD. The biography is beautifully written, has an in depth look at Brian Jones, and is filled with great images of early Stones, who I thought were the greatest thing when I was a teenager. Led Zep be damned and the Beatles? Old dudes by then. Or at least until Plastic Ono and the discovery of Mr. Lennon, God rest his soul. But when I first heard Pink Floyd, well, even the Stones took a back seat... - - c ps: I had tickets to see the Stones at the Forum, in Inglewood, in '73 I think. My parents forbade my going, with my dad calling them the "center of the drug culture." I got caught climbing out my window to meet my friends to go to the show. *sigh* They told me is was incredible and our seats were about 20 rows back from the stage... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:56:19 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Robyn will be appearing with Joe Boyd, performing songs by the people he mention On Tour March Robyn Hitchcock & The Venus 3 US Tour 3/14 SXSW 4:00 pm at Austin Convention Center, Daystage One. Robyn will be appearing with Joe Boyd, who will be reading selections from his book White Bicyles while Robyn performs songs by the people he mentions, whom he recorded back then. _http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm_ (http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:07:52 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: movie talk - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > > Swiches, kill? That sets of bells ringing. One of my favorite X-Files > > episodes: Kill Switch. > > http://redwolf.com.au/xfiles/season05/5x11.html Lauren came back with: > Oh, that's the one with the virtual reality themes in it? William > Gibson worked on that one. That's the one where Mulder gets strapped > up to the reality machine and wakes to face the evil blonde nurse (who > looked like she walked straight off the liner notes of a Pulp album)? That's the one! Ant the evil nurse was Nurse Nancy. Esther Nairn: "Are these the brain donors that nearly got us incinerated?" [The Lone Gunmen] Mulder: "Don't let their looks fool you." Scully: "Your name is Esther Nairn?" Frohike: "She is so hot!" Esther Nairn: "Are you going to take off these cuffs or do I have to do this with my tongue?" Mulder: "You don't want to take a vote." Esther Nairn: "Give me the kill switch!" Scully: "Aren't you worried it's going to track you... Esther? Hunt you down with another particle beam?" Esther Nairn: "Not unless somebody else makes another bone-headed Internet connection..." [The Lone Gunmen look abashed] Scully: "Why didn't it just zap him too?" Esther Nairn: "Its creator? No, it needed to impress Donald. Particle beam would have been overkill." Scully: "Unlike a dozen crack dealers?" Esther Nairn: "No, you see, that's its sense of humour!" Mulder: "Oh, all right, but if you load the kill switch, what's to stop it from playing another funny joke on us?" Scully: "Why don't you just call him...?" [Everyone in the room turns to stare at Scully] "Oh... right. Death from above." > > Off to finish viewing the X-Files epsisode Paper Clip. The last part of the > > three part Anazazi-The Blessing Way-Paper Clip story arc with the MJ files > > and where Mulder's dad and Scully's sister are killed. Lauren: > Oh, I am so bad with the titles for that show. I know the episode > where Scully's sister is killed - is Mulder's father killed in the > same episode or just nearby that one? "The X-Files" is one of those > shows that didn't show the title when the show actually ran. You > learn the titles if you work for the show, or if you are a civilian, > you wait for the unauthorized guides (my friend Ty says always go for > the unauthorized over the authorized merchandise), testosterone > brigade, or DVD releases. Mulder's father is killed in the first episode, and Scully's sister Melissa is shot in the second episode and dies in the third one. Although the deaths of some of the minor reapeat characters made for high drama, I thought they were sorely missed in subsequent epsoides ansd seasons. I bought "The Nitpickers Guide To "The X-Files" that covered the first four seasons! MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:08:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: undigested The stand-alone concepts were still pretty decent in >season six, but season seven, ugh! So you don't subscribe to the Burt-Reynolds-as-God cult? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:46:34 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: reap, not quite instant Momofuku Ando and - - Steve ______________________________ 5 stages of Republican scandal: 1. I have not been informed of any investigation or that I am a target 2. I am cooperating fully, but this whole thing is a political ploy by the Democrats 3. Im SHOCKED by the mistakes made by my subordinates 4. Im deeply sorry for letting down my friends and family. I now recognize that I am an alcoholic. I will be entering rehab immediately, so I have no time for questions 5. Can I serve my time at Eglin Federal Penitentiary (aka Club Fed)? - TPM Reader PT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:27:53 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is On 3/13/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > I'm with you on that -- I wanted to see the series continue, too, without > actually acting on the outcome. A whole Schroedinger's cat sorta thing, I > guess... Wait, Schroedinger or Heisenberg? I mean, Heisenberg doesn't have a cat, but it's that whole "observing is interfering" thing... - -Rex, allowing for the possibility that Heisenberg had all kinds of damn cats... (well, no actual kitties being harmed in the production of the > list...I just meant "the act of observing disturbs the observed" part)... > > ...But there hadn't been a digest yet today (7:18 PM, CDST), so...am I > sending this to try and help trigger a digest today and keep March (and, > therefore, the two-month consecutive) string going? > > Meow -- the cat lives...now to wait and see if March continues... > > > Michael "Not a scientist at all, so it's entirely likely I screwed up > relating the theory" Sweeney > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a > month. > Intro*Terms > > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Robyn will be appearing with Joe Boyd, performing songs by the people he mention On 3/14/07, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > On Tour > March > Robyn Hitchcock & The Venus 3 US Tour > 3/14 SXSW > 4:00 pm at Austin Convention Center, Daystage One. Robyn will be > appearing > with Joe Boyd, who will be reading selections from his book White Bicyles > while Robyn performs songs by the people he mentions, whom he recorded > back then. Cool... wonder if Peter's gonna tag along, having only co-created the Best Album Ever* whilst being produced by Boyd. Amazing discography... I'd forgotten about Billy Bragg... http://www.joeboyd.co.uk/discography.html - -Rex *most days, when it's not Revolver. Or Loveless. Or Marquee Moon, or Underwater Moonlight, or Rust Never Sleeps, Modern Lovers, Throwing Muses self-titled, or... well... still, most days. Top Ten always. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:37:16 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is Rex says; > Wait, Schroedinger or Heisenberg? I mean, Heisenberg doesn't have a cat, > but it's that whole "observing is interfering" thing... It's Schroedinger's cat and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. ...and Plank's constant. I used to work with a physics Ph.D. and bothered him occasionally to explain (re-explain) Schroedinger's cat. It never took. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:46:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: movie talk On 3/14/07, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: > > > Mulder's father is killed in the first episode, and Scully's sister > Melissa is shot in the second episode and dies in the third one. Although > the deaths of some of the minor reapeat characters made for high drama, I > thought they were sorely missed in subsequent epsoides ansd seasons. I > bought "The Nitpickers Guide To "The X-Files" that covered the first four > seasons! I had that, too. Funny stuff, not exactly pre-internet but before the solution to everything was "google it and find the nerdiest fansite". Odd that the author, who I think spun that guide off of some Star Trek Nitpicker books, was a pretty ardent Christian... Trek and X-Files being up there among the cult phenomenon of the world that are prety harcore in their secularity (or in the case of X-Files, maybe pantheism or some such thing)... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:49:46 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is On 3/14/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Rex says; > > Wait, Schroedinger or Heisenberg? I mean, Heisenberg doesn't have a > cat, > > but it's that whole "observing is interfering" thing... > > It's Schroedinger's cat and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Oh, I know my cats from my principles... and you can quote me on that (please). I was just unsure which one was more applicable to the fear of spoiling the unbroke daily streak of F-g digests by speaking of it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:16:15 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My title is "The Pope", and my cat smells like something Eb's butt dragged in a new post will "cause a digest to spit out" if its inclusion increases the size of the queue to 30k or more, or if it's been more than twenty-four hours since the previous digest spit out. (although there've been times that this last condition has been met but without a digest having resulted - -- so it may be that there's a minimum-size-limit for potential triggering posts.) don't know if i've ever told this before. but, when i first discovered the fegslist, i had thought that the "topics" for a given digest were woj's personal favourite posts for that day. (i.e., i took "digest" to mean that there were many more posts being sent to the board, and that the digest was an abridgement of the day's activities.) this is an interesting point you are raising. while "trolling caught" feels awkward to me, i certainly wouldn't argue, for example, that it should be "run-start" rather that "running start". keep in mind, however, that "biscuit" has an entirely different meaning in australia than it does in canada. <...But there hadn't been a digest yet today (7:18 PM, CDST), so...am I sending this to try and help trigger a digest today and keep March (and, therefore, the two-month consecutive) string going?> either way, the string has ended. if only the previous digest had come in an hour-and-a-half later, or the current one an hour-and-a-half sooner... as it stands, i feel much like i did the day the huskies lost to arizona to end their twenty-one game winning streak, only one week after they had completely dismantled the bill-walsh-led stanford cardinal to claim the number one ranking in the coaches' poll. speaking of football, picked up *Pulse* from the library, and in the line in "Money" where it talks about buying a football team, they showed an *american* football team (well, two to be precise -- one of which i *think* was the forty-niners) on the video screen. was that line really supposed to have been a reference to american football? just downloaded the new ted leo; though have not yet given it a spin. while i actually prefer *The Tyranny Of Distance* to *Shake The Sheets*, i've high hopes for this new one. don't have let me down, ted! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:50:31 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is Rex says: > > It's Schroedinger's cat and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. > > > Oh, I know my cats from my principles... and you can quote me on that > (please). I was just unsure which one was more applicable to the fear of > spoiling the unbroke daily streak of F-g digests by speaking of it. Schroedinger's cat, definitely, as that acts a large-scale example of the wave-particle duality of light while Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle stays in the small. But either one could be used to incorrectly ;) describe the fear of affecting the outcome of Feg digests...i.e. the Unmentionable Feg Digest Phenomenon. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is Eddie wrote: > > > ("Troll Caught Spiced Roasted Mahi Mahi Filet With a Citrus Shrimp and > > Avocado Salsa" - really, if it's not freshly caught by a troll, who needs > > it?).> > > granted, the menu should read "troll-caught" rather that "troll caught". > but as it reads, it's more like a dude whose *nickname* is "troll" caught > the fish (already marinated and cooked, no less; and having used the salsa > as bait) than that a honest-to-goodness troll had caught it. Oh, I don't know - aside from the odd spot of goat-intimidation, what is there for a troll to do under a bridge except fish? It could be read as a headline in Fishertroll's Digest (though I suppose that should be "Troll Catches..." unless of course it's a follow-up to an earlier article about the mysteriously spicy roasted catch, filling in other trolls on what sort of bait attracted the filet - and this has officially become too silly for me to continue.) Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:10:58 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: My title is "The Pope", and my cat smells like something Eb's butt dragged in Stacked Crooked says: > either way, the string has ended. if only the previous digest had come in > an hour-and-a-half later, or the current one an hour-and-a-half sooner... Recount! xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:28:12 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: movie talk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:47 AM To: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Cc: Lauren Elizabeth; let that be your last battlefield Subject: Re: movie talk On 3/14/07, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> Mulder's father is killed in the first episode, and Scully's sister >> Melissa is shot in the second episode and dies in the third one. >> Although the deaths of some of the minor reapeat characters made for >> high drama, I thought they were sorely missed in subsequent epsoides >> and seasons. I bought "The Nitpickers Guide To "The X-Files" that >> covered the first four seasons! Rex: >I had that, too. Funny stuff, not exactly pre-internet but before the solution to everything was "google it and find the nerdiest fansite". Odd that the author, who I think spun that guide off of some Star Trek Nitpicker books, was a pretty ardent Christian... Trek and X-Files being up there among the cult phenomenon of the world that are prety harcore in their secularity (or in the case of X-Files, maybe pantheism or some such thing)... Yeah, the author also didn't care for the over the top gory episodes in season 3 that reached a peak with "The Family" cannibal/Mayberry episode in season four. It was fun spotting the Canadian actors who ended up playing different characters in subsequent episodes due to the scarcity of actors when the series was shot in Vancouver. The Nitpickers guide tracked them all. MJ Bachman N Paty Griffin - Children Running Through ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:39:55 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My title is "The Pope", and my cat smells like something Eb's butt dragged in On 3/14/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > don't know if i've ever told this before. but, when i first discovered > the > fegslist, i had thought that the "topics" for a given digest were woj's > personal favourite posts for that day. (i.e., i took "digest" to mean > that > there were many more posts being sent to the board, and that the digest > was > an abridgement of the day's activities.) You mean... that's not how it works? Actually, it would've been even cooler if you'd thought they were *Robyn's* favorite posts. fateful day, simply, economically "trolled"?> > > this is an interesting point you are raising. while "trolling caught" > feels awkward to me, i certainly wouldn't argue, for example, that it > should be "run-start" rather that "running start". Right on. That's why I think you hit the bull's eye with "trolled", a word whose usefulness only increases each year, it seems. > either way, the string has ended. if only the previous digest had come in > an hour-and-a-half later, or the current one an hour-and-a-half sooner REAP: the digest streak. Sniff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:50:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: movie talk Firstly, kudos to whoever did this: "To: let that be your last battlefield " On 3/14/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Yeah, the author also didn't care for the over the top gory episodes in > season 3 that reached a peak with "The Family" cannibal/Mayberry episode > in season four. For some strange reason I was just thinking about this episode yesterday and paused to wonder... at the end of the show when the surviving brotherfatheruncleson locked himself in the car trunk with his quadroplegic mothersisterloverniece... how the hell did he get out of there? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:47:57 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: My name is "The Allman Brothers" and I'm trying to figure out what a doobie is Rex wrote: >On 3/13/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: >> >> >>I'm with you on that -- I wanted to see the series continue, too, without >>actually acting on the outcome. A whole Schroedinger's cat sorta thing, I >>guess... > > >Wait, Schroedinger or Heisenberg? I mean, Heisenberg doesn't have a cat, >but it's that whole "observing is interfering" thing... > >-Rex, allowing for the possibility that Heisenberg had all kinds of damn >cats... > > >>(well, no actual kitties being harmed in the production of the >>list...I just meant "the act of observing disturbs the observed" part)... >> >>...But there hadn't been a digest yet today (7:18 PM, CDST), so...am I >>sending this to try and help trigger a digest today and keep March (and, >>therefore, the two-month consecutive) string going? >> >>Meow -- the cat lives...now to wait and see if March continues... >> >> >>Michael "Not a scientist at all, so it's entirely likely I screwed up >>relating the theory" Sweeney ...See, I knew I probably conflated things...my problem may have been that when I scanned over the first site I looked up (to get the right spelling of Schroedinger, mainly), talked not only about the quantum mechanics and the half-dead, half-alive cat (that I was pretty solid on), but also about the concept of observing the experiement changing it. Here, after a quick search according to Wiki (I know - not the be-all, end-all, but handy and actually addressing BOTH Schroedinger and Heisenberg) is info on the actual "observer effect" that both Rex and I were thinking about: "A common lay misuse of the term [The observer effect, or observer bias] refers to quantum mechanics, where, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of 'superposition', which is akin to being in all possible states at once. In the famous thought experiment known as Schrvdinger's cat the cat is supposedly neither alive nor dead until observed  until that time, the cat is both alive and dead (technically half-alive and half-dead in probability terms). However, modern quantum physicists, in resolving Schrvdinger's seeming paradox, now understand that the acts of 'observation' and 'measurement' must also be defined in quantum terms before the question makes sense. From this point of view, there is no 'observer effect', only one vastly entangled quantum system. "The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is also frequently, but incorrectly, confused with the "observer effect". The uncertainty principle actually describes how precisely we may measure the position and momentum of a particle at the same time  if we increase the precision in measuring one quantity, we are forced to lose precision in measuring the other. Thus, the uncertainty principle deals with measurement, and not observation. The idea that the Uncertainty Principle is caused by disturbance (and hence by observation) is no longer considered to be valid, although it was extant in the early years of quantum mechanics, and is often repeated in popular treatments." ...So -- we're both kinda right, but both kinda wrong. But, in a plus, nobody's calling anyone hurtful names over it! (sorry, couldn't resist...) Michael "Dr. Hugo Z. Hackenbush woulda got it right the first time!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:51:09 -0500 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: RE: Long and probably unnecessary posting Just wanted to put in my opinion on the Buddy Holly/Beatles connection. Since Buddy Holly toured England to adoring crowds, it follows that English lads learned that even nerds could be rock and rollers! Anything goes... goofy glasses and stutter and all. Didn't have to be a sexually-charge Elvis or an authentic black guy. I am convinced that this gave permission to all the little blokes to dive into it and voila: The British Invasion. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC (Hope this makes it onto the 100th digest. Fast and furiously typing) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #100 ********************************