From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #98 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 12 2007 Volume 16 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Subject: Re: strange messages and Beatles ["m swedene" ] Re: Did we already go over this? [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: undigested [Rex ] Re: Did we already go over this? [Rex ] Re: Did we already go over this? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [Jeff Dwarf ] Subject: Re: strange messages and Beatles ["David Stovall" ] My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly ["Stack] Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly ["Lauren El] Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly [] Re: Bootles [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Band Names ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Band Names [FSThomas ] Re: Band Names [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly ["Stewar] Re: movie talk ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:46:25 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: strange messages and Beatles What boot is this on? I have so many of them (alledgedly) that it is difficult to recall if I have it. Mike On 3/12/07, David Stovall wrote: > >From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz > >>White Album crushes all other Beatles albums. Even without > >>"Revolution #9" which still creeps me the hell out. > > > >There is a boot bersion of R9 which is intiguing since you can > hear > >quite a bit more of what's actually going on in there. Well > worth > >tracking down. > > And, SPOILER ALERT: > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > ...on at least one such bootleg, it can be clearly heard that > Lennon is ABSOLUTELY saying "cranberry sauce" over and over again, > and NOT "I buried Paul." Why? Who the fuck knows. But it was > cranberry sauce on the boot, and I think it's an edit of that > very same take on the official release. > > da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:28:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Did we already go over this? > PS (unrelated) Watching season six of All in the Family on DVD right > now...it really *was* quite radical for its time, wasn't it? It would be radical now, too, wouldn't it-- for a sitcom at least-- to have a bigot portrayed sympathetically? Most likely that show had the sense to take advantage of a change in the social climate that has since been ceased to exist... the leftists and civil rights folks hadn't yet become so divided that every stereotype or unkind line of dialogue was objectionable, so they got to revel in, and rally behind, the satire. Meanwhile, folks who were in real life *like* Archie Bunker were still mainstream enough that they could take the character at face value, and enjoy the satire of the youthful idealists, so the show got over. I saw one recently with an earnest debate about the value of organized religion-- maybe it was about baptism, can't recall-- but it still hit me that you would not see this today, not with such specificity, I don't think, and certainly not in sitcom land. I just saw a review of the DVD box of Family Ties Season One, which was viewed as kind of the flipside of AITF... hoo boy, the idea of a "topical sitcom" had already gone downhill by then, huh? Re: Flatland, when we got to that in my 7th grade advanced algebra class, I was really feeling my oats as an intellectual iconoclast, so a couple of my friends and I kept objecting that the vision of the flatlanders as described was impossible-- I don't remember the specifics, but wasn't it said that they essentially saw a line? We were arguing that that inferred that they could see, at least infinetessimally, into the 3rd dimension. We made such a stink about it day after day that I think the teacher just gave up on reading it-- we certainly never got to the sexy-- erm, sexist bits. My, what a bunch of jerks we were. Do you really think the sexism should be left in if it's a new work marketed for kids, though? Doesn't that just add another unnecessary (pardon the pun) dimension for kids to process? We just got the new PETER PAN DVD for the kids, and hey, there's some uncomfortable imagery about Indians to explain in that one, but the old standby "people used to have different attitudes" is handy. But if it were made today, is the fact that the *source material* is recidivist an excuse for producing a new work which mirrors attitudes we've outgrown? This is not PC dogmatism, it's an honest question from a guy who's just recently had to explain to his daughter why she can't actually give Dr. Martin Luther King the picture she colored of him for his birthday. That, friends, is the heartbreaking stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:53:27 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Did we already go over this? On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Rex wrote: [Flatland] > Do you really think the sexism should be left in if it's a new work marketed > for kids, though? Doesn't that just add another unnecessary (pardon the > pun) dimension for kids to process? We just got the new PETER PAN DVD for If it's a new work in a new medium, it needn't be left in, no, I'd say--though it could be an interesting teaching tool, not necessarily about math, but about sexism in the Victorian age. > the kids, and hey, there's some uncomfortable imagery about Indians to > explain in that one, but the old standby "people used to have different > attitudes" is handy. But if it were made today, is the fact that the > *source material* is recidivist an excuse for producing a new work which > mirrors attitudes we've outgrown? This is not PC dogmatism, it's an honest > question from a guy who's just recently had to explain to his daughter why > she can't actually give Dr. Martin Luther King the picture she colored of > him for his birthday. That, friends, is the heartbreaking stuff. I would tend to agree with you--but I would be uncomfortable at seeing a new book edition produced that expurgated the sexism. That leads you down the path where nobody remembers the original. Literature is a great record of historical attitudes and if we clean it all up who knows what future generations will think we used to think. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:01:08 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: undigested Ken: like seinfeld. or star trek. i have to admit that i haven't watched much > buffy. i don't expect to be soon, though i hope that my daughter will have > a phase at some point. for the time being i have to make the most of blue's > clues, wonderpets, and dragon tales. Oh noes. I don't know the middle one! The land of Little Girl TV has moved on... my kids are growing up... sniff... > > we can see whatever we want to see in all things all the time. the thing > with the political mindset is that once you see the way things work, you > cannot go back to not seeing. you can pretend or rationalize or even get > off the grid and live in a shack in montana; but the knowledge eats you up > until you deal with it. there's a grieving process involved where you come > to accept the way things are. That seems to be what life is all about to me, at least since we moved beyond being solely concerned about knocking down the next mammoth to stay alive-- not just with politics, either; a big chunk of it is trying to understand human nature, cruelty in particular, to say nothing of reality in general. More like than not you're never gonna work it out, especially if you're genuinely chemically wired for depression, like me. In a strange way, that's what makes parenting a good idea... the need to provide for, and explaing things to, others whom you love unconditionally, gives you a purpose, and a reason to separate the philosophical wheat from the chaff as you go along. If, when it comes down to it, it's not worth imparting to your child to help them deal with, then you can let go of needing to puzzle it out for yourself a little more easily. Other alternatives are to get into the business of sorting it out in some kind of organized way, through science, philosophy, religion, art... but not everyone can do that since somebody's gotta work in the sweatshops and Taco Bells... > > well said. i think the way physical power is used to control is the most > destructive. i know that i have to be able to stop my daughter from running > into the street; but there comes a time when she will need to be trusted on > her own. But, at least hopefully, you'll still have a back-and-forth relationship of guidance and support with her beyond that. Which again adds a bit of meaning. Those of us who are lucky enough to have good relationships with our own parents get to work on it from that end, too, in a pretty safe context of unconditional love. > disengagement from the system is the only answer sometimes. when we give > these corrupt systems all of our attention and energy, we don't anything > left to focus on something better. at the very least, you can have fun > storming the castle. Ken has a singular ability to mix and match references from current discussions that slip by if you're not focussssing properly, but really tickles ya when you are. Of course, I probably miss half of 'em myself, but this one was good. > > have you ever snarffed kashi flakes? drizzled with ulee's gold? Ibid. > leggo my ego. certainly, the show struggled with duchovney stopping by > for cameos; but they soldiered on to complete the arc. i think that after > the movie the show was never the same. maybe they were getting too close to > the truth? Everything really proceeded from money and power struggles(and I knew folks that worked on the show at the time). They did stuff (like the movie and some of the ridiculous set pieces in the subsequent season) because more money was flowing; moving to LA was the stars wanting to keep close to home & family and feeling like they were so integral to the show that they could demand it... then they practically quit anyway, and the show was still stuck in LA. I don't think the arc was completed in the least... too many "Look, across the quarry, a tiny obscure figure representing Mulder is escaping" moments, "minor subplots" like Scully's child just being parceled off, and... eh, I can't think about it much more. The existence of the movie is a lame thing in retrospect-- it's a piss-poor standalone, and didn't advance the plot in any way that a three-episode arc wouldn't have done just as well. It was just done because they could, really, but that very mentality was the beginning of the end. > > there really is no argument. > > a fish called wanda: > > wanda: what about my tits? > otto: does he get to handle them? > wanda: yes. that's my forecast. i'll stand by that. And, as mentioned here and in SCREAM, there's always TRADING PLACES. And yet there's that peristent hermaphrodite rumor. Never bought that myself, but it's strange how many people do. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:08:51 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Did we already go over this? On 3/12/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Rex wrote: > > [Flatland] > > Do you really think the sexism should be left in if it's a new work > marketed > > for kids, though? Doesn't that just add another unnecessary (pardon the > > pun) dimension for kids to process? We just got the new PETER PAN DVD > for > > If it's a new work in a new medium, it needn't be left in, no, I'd > say--though it could be an interesting teaching tool, not necessarily > about math, but about sexism in the Victorian age. Right. It's the fact that it'd be a new work, and one largely for kids, and moreover, primarily concerned with math and not social history that would make me think we can safely dispense with the iffy stuff. If we're talking about a work that takes social issues as its focus, even for kids-- Twain being the obvious example, but there are plenty of others-- I'd be against most efforts to bowlderize even a new adaptation. > I would tend to agree with you--but I would be uncomfortable at seeing a > new book edition produced that expurgated the sexism. That leads you down > the path where nobody remembers the original. Literature is a great record > of historical attitudes and if we clean it all up who knows what future > generations will think we used to think. Agreed-- I would never advocate changes in the original text; I'm talking only about contemporary adaptations. Someone can write an introductory essay or something that addresses the historical context of FLATLAND, but the text itself should be left the hell alone, period. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Did we already go over this? Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Capuchin wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > PS (unrelated) Watching season six of All in the Family on DVD > > > right now...it really *was* quite radical for its time, wasn't > > > it? > > > > I've actually been thinking about that alot recently. Haven't > > watched the show since I was a kid, though. I'd be interested > > to see some of them. > > Is it still on in syndication anywhere? I think they still show it on TVLand. The weird thing is that, when you go back and watch it while it's clearly mocking Archie's idiotic beliefs, it does so pretty sympathetically. He's a bigot, but for the (for want of a better term) right reasons. It would have been so easy to make Archie a monster, but instead paints him as a guy who is struggling with the changes all around him that are overwhelming him. He's not a bad guy, just misguided and terrified. "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) Rex wrote: > I interpreted "survival" as "endurance of a body of work". > Otherwise, hell, isn't Pat Boone still alive? So he and Little > Richard are still locked in a literal Celebrity Death Match over > whose "Tutti Frutti" is superior... And with Ozzy over "Crazy Train." Of course, Ozzy's gets played in Walgreen's now, so .... (Or was it "Mama, I'm Coming Home" (or whatever the real name of that one is; I'm not that up on the semi-minutia of Ozzy's oeuvre.) "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:11:57 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: Subject: Re: strange messages and Beatles >From: 2fs >> >On 3/12/07, David Stovall wrote: >> >> >> ...on at least one such bootleg, it can be clearly heard that >> Lennon is ABSOLUTELY saying "cranberry sauce" over and over again, >> and NOT "I buried Paul." Why? Who the fuck knows. But it was >> cranberry sauce on the boot, and I think it's an edit of that >> very same take on the official release. > > >Uh, but...the "cranberry sauce" thing is on the fade to "Strawberry Fields >Forever" - not "Revolution No. 9." Right you are - as my idiotic brane reminded me half an hour or so after my post. Teach me to post from work,... da9ve, posting from in a meeting at work; everyone else assumes I'm sifting through system Event Logs and figuring out why one of our workstations didn't make its DST jump till 7:25 yesterday evening,... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:24:45 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Did we already go over this? Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > >On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Capuchin wrote: > > >>On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > >PS (unrelated) Watching season six of All in the Family on DVD > > > >right now...it really *was* quite radical for its time, wasn't it? > > > > > >I've actually been thinking about that alot recently. Haven't > > >watched the show since I was a kid, though. I'd be interested to > > >see some of them. >> > >Is it still on in syndication anywhere? >I think they still show it on TVLand. The weird thing is that, when you go back and watch it while it's clearly mocking >Archie's idiotic beliefs, it does so pretty sympathetically. He's a bigot, but for the (for want of a better term) right reasons. It would have been so easy to make Archie a monster, but instead paints him as a guy who is struggling with the changes all around him that are overwhelming him. He's not a bad guy, just misguided and terrified. AITF *was* quite radical and had groundbreaking episodes: The first toilet flush (terlet in Archie speak), Edith's menopause, the racial banter going back and forth between Archie and George Jefferson, politics discussed from various characters viewpoints (Maude was on AITF before being spun off), Edith's kleptomania, etc. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:55:53 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Did we already go over this? Rex says: > Agreed-- I would never advocate changes in the original text; I'm talking > only about contemporary adaptations. Someone can write an introductory > essay or something that addresses the historical context of FLATLAND, but > the text itself should be left the hell alone, period. The edition I have does have such an introduction (a preface to the second edition by the editor) as well as a foreword by Isaac Asimov that both mention the sexism issue. It's not a treatise or anything, but it's not glossed over either. xo Lauren, hear my Peace-cry from http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/ "No Female shall walk in any public place without continually keeping up her Peace-cry, under penalty of death." - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:40:39 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Reap Richard Jeni, comedian and actor, 45 http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSN1127227220070312 xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:35:45 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly coincidentally (or not????), to-day is the tenth anniversary of my first post to the fegmaniax computer network. already, i was hot for eb's "packaging". <> there were seven on sept. 14, 2001. trying to remember what occurred that week that might've sparked...oh, yeah: *'Love And Theft'* was released. i've been informally keeping track for a while; and to my knowledge, last month was the first month in which at least one digest appeared on every day of the month. i didn't wanna say anything at the time, for fear of influencing the outcome -- but i guess it's okay now. (and, yeah, there were only twenty-eight days in the month. but if i recall, the previous record of consecutive-days-to-start-the-month was fourteen or fifteen, or something similar.) a few years back, i made a casual reference to *All In The Family* to my half-brother (who's about ten years younger than i am), and he had no idea what i was on about. kind of flabbergasted me. i don't *even* want to know if he'd have the same reaction to *Mama's Family*, as it might lead to some sort of fratricide... "trolling" is a honest-to-goodness fishing method. i once got into an argument with a customer (whose husband was a honest-to-goodness fisherman - -- la-di-fuckin'-da) after i'd written "trolled salmon" on the specials board. she not only accused me of misspelling "trawled", but fucking laughed right into my face to boot. you may have figured out by now that i (for better or worse) take my spelling skillz pretty seriously; so this didn't sit none too well. she almost had me convinced, too; but luckily the newspaper-office next door had a dictionary to hand. fucking fisherman's wives *always* think they know how to spell better than you do. granted, the menu should read "troll-caught" rather that "troll caught". but as it reads, it's more like a dude whose *nickname* is "troll" caught the fish (already marinated and cooked, no less; and having used the salsa as bait) than that a honest-to-goodness troll had caught it. <> ID3-TagIT is a free and very powerful/versatile tagging utility which can handle this sort of thing. don't know if it's available for mac; and if itunes' mp3s use some sort of DRM, don't know if it'll be able to get at 'em. but might be worth checking out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:51:48 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly Stacked Crooked says: > there were seven on sept. 14, 2001. trying to remember what occurred that > week that might've sparked...oh, yeah: *'Love And Theft'* was released. > > i've been informally keeping track for a while; and to my knowledge, last > month was the first month in which at least one digest appeared on every > day of the month. i didn't wanna say anything at the time, for fear of > influencing the outcome -- but i guess it's okay now. (and, yeah, there > were only twenty-eight days in the month. but if i recall, the previous > record of consecutive-days-to-start-the-month was fourteen or fifteen, or > something similar.) Does anyone know the event trigger for a digest? I would assume that over some predefined KB size of messages in the "buffer" would trigger a digest, but does the "buffer" get reset to 0 each day, i.e. does at least one digest get produced for any day that has a message? xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:05:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly On 3/12/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > fucking > fisherman's wives *always* think they know how to spell better than you > do. Ladies and gentlemen, when Belle & Sebastian release an album with this title, I shall buy it, putting money in their twee Scottish pockets for the first time in a decade or so. granted, the menu should read "troll-caught" rather that "troll caught". > but as it reads, it's more like a dude whose *nickname* is "troll" caught > the fish (already marinated and cooked, no less; and having used the salsa > as bait) than that a honest-to-goodness troll had caught it. Shouldn't it actually be "trolling-caught", or as you had it on that fateful day, simply, economically "trolled"? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:31:59 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Bootles > >...but if I had to choose between "Imagine" and "Ram" (and I do, of > >course), it's "Imagine" all the way. > >"John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band" is tops for me...then prob. "All Things Must >Pass," then "Imagine," then "Ram." Imagine, JLPOB, ATMP, then a toss-up between Ram and London Town. And, if the list went much further, "Ringo" would be surprisingly high on the list. it's possibly the closest to a Beatles album after the split, with work by all four. > > >There is a boot bersion of R9 which is intiguing since you can > > hear > > >quite a bit more of what's actually going on in there. Well > > worth > > >tracking down. > > ...on at least one such bootleg, it can be clearly heard that > > Lennon is ABSOLUTELY saying "cranberry sauce" over and over again, > > and NOT "I buried Paul." Why? Who the fuck knows. But it was > > cranberry sauce on the boot, and I think it's an edit of that > > very same take on the official release. > >Uh, but...the "cranberry sauce" thing is on the fade to "Strawberry Fields >Forever" - not "Revolution No. 9." True indeed. But with R9: "...because his lungs were gone or a burton. So the wife told him he'd better go and see a surgeon...(garbled)...a pair of yellow underclothes. So anyroad he went to see a dentist instead and get a pair of teeth, which wasn't any good at all." James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:22:24 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Band Names Hi Fegs, Besides passing my days waiting for FegMail, I also find time to check Dime for good band names. Half Man Half Biscuit - four stars. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:54:57 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Band Names Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Hi Fegs, > > Besides passing my days waiting for FegMail, I also find time to check > Dime for good band names. > > Half Man Half Biscuit - four stars. Bonus points for being remotely interesting musically. - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:07:54 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Band Names - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > Hi Fegs, > > Besides passing my days waiting for FegMail, I also find time to check > Dime for good band names. > > Half Man Half Biscuit - four stars. Here's an old one: The Bubble Puppy And their big hit: Hot Smoke and Sassafras http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGG3DtAq6dI MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:20:53 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: My name is "The Doobie Brothers", and I'm trying to figure out if my crotch is functioning properly Stacked Crooked wrote: > > a few years back, i made a casual reference to *All In The Family* you mean the Till Death Us Do Part remake? ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:15:43 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: movie talk ken ostrander says: > yeah, set phasers on stun...oops...wrong setting. it kinda seems like the switches should have been labelled better. "sorry, captain. it was...set..to...maximum kill." (as opposed to the minimum kills which barely works with phasers.) > and those black/white dudes were too much: > > "it is obvious to the most simpleminded that lokai is of an inferior breed." > "the obvious visual evidence, commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself." > "are you blind, commander spock? well, look at me. look at me!" > "you're black on one side and white on the other." > "i am black on the right side." > "i fail to see the significant difference." > "lokai is white on the right side. all of his people are white on the right side." > > ken "look to the cookie" the kenster the cookie, indeed. it is black on one side and white on the other. although if you rotate it, it is white on one side and black on the other. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #98 *******************************