From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #95 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 10 2007 Volume 16 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: In Larry David News To-day... ["Michael Sweeney" ] re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: strange messages and Beatles [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: In Larry David News To-day... [Tom Clark ] Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] reap [wojbearpig ] A little less of a feeling (REAP) [Tom Clark ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [Tom Clark ] re: beatles (s# c # a# r) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [2fs ] Re: My name is "Bob Seger", and I have it on very good authority that Jesus Christ was never circumcised (not even *once*!)! [] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Casper & the Cookies: on tour [0% RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:53:59 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) Tom Clark says: > Haven't you seen Waiting For Guffman? or Best In Show? A Mighty > Wind? For Your Consideration? Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Stop making fun of my problem with wigs. xo P.S. Still have an unopened "The Princess Bride" that a friend gave me. Is it recommended viewing? - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:23:57 -0500 (EST) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) - -----Original Message----- >From: Lauren Elizabeth >P.S. Still have an unopened "The Princess Bride" that a friend gave >me. Is it recommended viewing? Princess Bride has had cult status in my family since it came out and used to be required holiday viewing - to the point that we can all, including the kids, quote it word for word. That said I notice we've slacked off considerably in latter years and haven't watched it at all for 3 or so. It's pretty funny, so says this dedicated-film-festival-attendee-the-bleaker-the-film the better kinda gal. Directed by Rob "This is Spinal Tap" Reiner and written by William Goldman. It's a must see at least once. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:52:53 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) At 01:22 PM 3/9/2007, Rex wrote: >On 3/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > For Your Consideration? > >The last was sort of panned, and I haven't seen it yet... been trying to get >the girlfriend to add it to the... erm... NFXQ? Feggy opinions? I love all >of the Guest films, especially A Mighty Wind & Guffman... I walked away feeling like they were coasting, though Fred Willard & Jane Lynch are funny and Catherine O'Hara brings some of her best face-contorting wizardry since SCTV. It is always a pleasure to watch these folks work, even when not at their peak. Perhaps the target was too easy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:06:06 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: recommendations in the 100-200 GBP bracket > From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Kylie, Lit, VU, Beatles > > PS Im thinking of buying a new turntable since my mate Nick bought me > Neverland on vinyl but I cant stretch to $9000 for a laser > turntable. Any recommendations in the 100-200 GBP bracket? Rega P2 or P3 might fit in that bracket. Neither of them will fit in your glove box, I'm afraid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:14:34 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: re: beatles (s# c # a# r) Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, ken ostrander wrote: >>mccartney..." hilarious. i still have a soft spot for macca. 'ram' is >>still my favorite of his albums; and the one that sounds the most like >>the quarrymen. i always thought that it was john cleese in the middle > >of "admiral halsey" with the phone in: "we haven't done a bloody thing > >all day". >Love Ram. "Back Seat of My Car" and "Eat at Home"...can't beat 'em. ...to which I add: "Smile Away," "Heart Of The Country," "Monkberry Moon Delight," and the ukelele on the title track. I, too, have a very soft spot for "Ram," as it was the first album I owned outright (beyond sing-along kiddie records and such) -- think it was a 9th birthday gift. My mom (in one of the very few endearing mom-like things she ever did involving me) had to have a guy at the store open the gatefold cover, because it didn't list tracks on the outide...to check that it indeed had "Uncle Albert and Admiral Halsey" on it (apparently my fave radio song back then). Beyond the obvious choice of "Band on the Run," I also highly recommend the (mostly) quiet pleasures of 1978's "London Town"; most people may be a little sick of the overplay of "With a Little Luck" (which I don't mind at all), but the rest of it is a fine semi-contemplative (well, as much as Paul gets, anyway) Macca/Denny Laine record with some excellent songs (the title track, "I'm Carrying," "Children Children," "I've Had Enough," the funny "Famous Groupies," "Don't Let It Bring You Down"). My twinned (16 year old) 1978 musical passions: "London Town" at one extreme; The Clash, Elvis Costello, et al, at the other... Michael Sweeney Still not sure that "Ram," "London Town," "Venus and Mars," "Band on the Run," and even "Tug of War" can make up for "Press to Play," "Give My Regards to Broad Street," "Pipes of Peace," and "Off the Ground" ("Biker Like An Icon"??? are we to believe the same man that wrote "Eleanor Rigby" and "For No One" wrote that crap? Paul must be well and truly dead...) _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:21:48 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: re: Fwd: from Jeanne to List Jeanne (through Lauren) wrote: >So, um, back to that Robyn guy: the Philly fegmeet approaches - Lauren and >I are in. >Michael Sweeney? Anyone else interested? Also, is anyone else doing the >one-two punch of >Robyn-Monday/Decemberists-Tuesday? God, I'm going to be useless at work >that week. ...I'm indeed in! And, for me (and my entourage - gf Corinne and friend Mary), it's gonna be a two-fer of Robyn Monday and Lindsey Buckingham Tuesday...and we'll be on vacation that week (heading to Mystic, CT, after Philly -- I luvvvvvv road trips!), so worthlessness will luckily not enter into it... Michael "Holiday Road" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:34:21 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: RE: In Larry David News To-day... Lauren wrote: >Another reason to enjoy "The Car Pool Lane." >BTW, do they actually call it the car pool lane in L.A.? In the Bay >Area, they call it the diamond lane. ...Years ago I heard Albert Brooks on a local radio call-in appearance (with Steve Dahl, a comedy-talk host he has known for years) make the following exchange (which seemed hilarious at the time - prob. doesn't translate well in my retelling): Brooks: Hold on, I'm changing lanes...Yeah, I'm calling from my car -- very Hollywood. Dahl (who grew up in CA): Oh yeah? You in the diamond lane? Brooks (very quickly): Yeah, the Neil Diamond lane... ...and much laughing ensued. (BTW, HBO had a mini feature On Demand under the "Curb.." section about the murder trial guy and his exoneration via Larry's filming...pretty cool) Michael Sweeney ...and didja know that Albert Brooks' real family name is Einstein, which makes him, yes...a genius _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:45:32 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Fwd: from Jeanne to List Michael Sweeney says: > ...I'm indeed in! And, for me (and my entourage - gf Corinne and friend > Mary), it's gonna be a two-fer of Robyn Monday and Lindsey Buckingham > Tuesday...and we'll be on vacation that week (heading to Mystic, CT, after > Philly -- I luvvvvvv road trips!), so worthlessness will luckily not enter > into it... Road trips - well, better you than me ;) Well hopefully Jeanne or Mr. Max Lang will have some meet-up suggestions for the UPenn area (I don't know that part of town very well.) I'm not sure what time I will make into town - hopefully I will find out soon (it depends on part who accompanies me (one potential companion is fairly anti-social, the other happy to meet folks.)) Tuesday I convert back to regular mode as I have a class that night. xo P.S. Mystic, CT is home of my (how long has it been) fave mail-order photo shop. Is it also Mystic in the movie "Mystic Pizza"? - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: re: beatles (s# c # a# r) On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Still not sure that "Ram," "London Town," "Venus and Mars," "Band on the > Run," and even "Tug of War" can make up for "Press to Play," "Give My > Regards to Broad Street," "Pipes of Peace," and "Off the Ground" ("Biker > Like An Icon"??? are we to believe the same man that wrote "Eleanor Rigby" > and "For No One" wrote that crap? Paul must be well and truly dead...) I *love* "Off the Ground." Come on: "Hope of Deliverance," "Winedark Open Sea"...really good stuff..harder to defend the other tracks but they're catchy as hell. And the B-sides from those singles are even better. The other albums you mention, yeah--but they had their share of gems ("No Values" and the "playout" version of "No More Lonely Nights," "Press" and "Stranglehold" and "Angry" and "It's Not True," "Tug of Peace" (just kidding about the last one)... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:21:18 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: strange messages and Beatles > has anyone else been subjected to the rock and roll religious > scarefest? of course, they talk about black sabbath and alice cooper and > judas preist and motley crue (shout at the devil) and kiss (knights in > satan's service?); but did you know that styx is apparently named after a > river in hell? they really pull out the stops with "the lord is my > shepard" bit from pink floyd's 'animals'. and so much backward masking > baloney. "stairway to heaven" backwards is basically gibberish that almost > sounds like they might say "satan" at one point (ironically [if it were > true] at the "yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run > there's still time to change the road y'on" bit). there are some great ones > that i've since discovered like from "empty spaces" > ("congratulations! you've found the secret message!") or "darling nikki" > ("how are you? i'm fine 'cause i know my lord is coming soon"); but my > favorite is still from "another one bites the dust". if you play > the title backwards it says very clearly: "it's fun to smoke marijuana". since we've recently been discussing Fripp, perhaps i can add that one of RF's albums (Exposure, IIRC) has part of an early Monty Python sketch backwards in it ("One thing is for sure, the sheep is not a creature of the air"). Tangerine Dream, meanwhile, put information on how to get a visa to travel to the United Kingdom on one of their albums backwards. Brian Eno samples one of his own songs backwards on the Cluster and Eno track "T'zima Narki", and Alastair Galbraith does the same thing with "Wrecked Wee Hymn". >'rubber soul' is the beginning of the truly great beatles albums, >it's like when dorothy comes out of the house into munchkinland. >wasn't it recorded after zimmerman got them stoned for the first >time? Well, maybe. Depending on your definition of stoned, they'd been on a lot of things since their Hamburg days (how else do you play music for 15 hours solid?) >White Album crushes all other Beatles albums. Even without >"Revolution #9" which still creeps me the hell out. There is a boot bersion of R9 which is intiguing since you can hear quite a bit more of what's actually going on in there. Well worth tracking down. > > it really takes a special kind of cool to hate the beatles. it starts > > with hating yourself i imagine. > >I only take that comment seriously coming from people who do not like >anything influenced by the Beatles, which, generally speaking rock-wise, is >everything. Otherwise they are most likely poseurs. There's a review I've read somewhere of the Beatles oeuvre which has a line in it along the lines of "a musician hating the Beatles is as perverse as a plant hating the Sun." BTW, according to my mum, the first words I said were "yeah yeah yeah", shortly after seeing the Beatles on TV for the first time. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:23:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: In Larry David News To-day... On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > In the DC area, they're usually called "HOV lanes," pronounced > "aitch-oh-vee". "Carpool lane" is rare, "diamond lane" very very > rare. > (They are however *marked* with diamond shapes.) Funny we should be talking about this. A few weeks ago our newspaper's "Mr. Roadshow" answered a question about why the HOV lane is marked with a diamond. The answer ends up being that the diamond shape is the standard for road signs denoting a need for caution in an otherwise normal driving environment. Dig on the specifications: http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-history.htm - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:24:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) Dolph Chaney wrote: > At 01:22 PM 3/9/2007, Rex wrote: > >On 3/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > For Your Consideration? > > > >The last was sort of panned, and I haven't seen it yet... been > >trying to get the girlfriend to add it to the... erm... NFXQ? > >Feggy opinions? I love all of the Guest films, especially A > >Mighty Wind & Guffman... > > I walked away feeling like they were coasting, though Fred Willard > & Jane Lynch are funny and Catherine O'Hara brings some of her > best face-contorting wizardry since SCTV. It is always a pleasure > to watch these folks work, even when not at their peak. Perhaps > the target was too easy? I wouldn't say they were coasting exactly, but things were definitely off. The character development was practically non-existant; Guest and Levy spent so much time trying to fit everyone from the unofficial troup they've created that ultimately no one had anything to do. "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:06:31 -0500 From: "Jeanne Benzel" Subject: Re: TVManiax! Chris, then Lauren wrote: > > > > Cool! I guess it's just Netflix who separates them out. So, anyone who > > might stll be reading, don't worry about what I said earlier unless[] > > you're getting BSG from Netflix. I personally got all of season 1 > > through BitTorrent (another feverish week much like the one with > > Veronica Mars), but I may well shell out money for the DVDs someday > > soon. It's that good. > > Thanks for the information as I will be getting them from Netflix. > Hey, me too! I just finished the first 2 seasons of Veronica Mars (as well as watching s3, so what with all the flashbacks that was an extremely non-linear experience) and as soon as my eyes stop hurting I'll be watching BSG from the beginning. So, um, back to that Robyn guy: the Philly fegmeet approaches - Lauren and I are in. Michael Sweeney? Anyone else interested? Also, is anyone else doing the one-two punch of Robyn-Monday/Decemberists-Tuesday? God, I'm going to be useless at work that week. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:52:09 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) ken ostrander wrote: > > it really takes a special kind of cool to hate the beatles. it > starts with hating yourself i imagine. "everyone who doesn't love the beatles must hate themselves" -- ffs! The logic astounds me. I'm sure I'd like them if they were faster and had more feedback. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:01:30 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: reap brad delp, 55 http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2007/03/09/boston_lead_singer_brad_delp_dies_at_55/ +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:03:31 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: A little less of a feeling (REAP) Brad Delp, 55 http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=5e472ded-61bc-4448-b4fa-b2724d190339 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:07:29 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) On Friday, March 09, 2007, at 05:54PM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: >ken ostrander wrote: >> >> it really takes a special kind of cool to hate the beatles. it >> starts with hating yourself i imagine. > >"everyone who doesn't love the beatles must hate themselves" -- ffs! The >logic astounds me. > >I'm sure I'd like them if they were faster and had more feedback. > My boss despises The Beatles, says they ruined Rock n' Roll. He's not all bad though, since his favorite album is Trout Mask Replica. - -tc (He's also got a Strawbs album on the wall of his office) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:18:38 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: re: beatles (s# c # a# r) Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > >On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > Still not sure that "Ram," "London Town," "Venus and Mars," "Band on the > > Run," and even "Tug of War" can make up for "Press to Play," "Give My > > Regards to Broad Street," "Pipes of Peace," and "Off the Ground" ("Biker > > Like An Icon"??? are we to believe the same man that wrote "Eleanor >Rigby" > > and "For No One" wrote that crap? Paul must be well and truly dead...) > >I *love* "Off the Ground." Come on: "Hope of Deliverance," "Winedark Open >Sea"...really good stuff..harder to defend the other tracks but they're >catchy as hell. And the B-sides from those singles are even better. >The other albums you mention, yeah--but they had their share of gems ("No >Values" and the "playout" version of "No More Lonely Nights," "Press" and >"Stranglehold" and "Angry" and "It's Not True," "Tug of Peace" (just >kidding about the last one)... > ...I'll give you "Hope of Deliverance" and "No More Lonely Nights" (much more than the others), but the point was that I was a longtime Macca guy (nigh onto an apologist at times), and now I find myself listening to even semi-recent retrenchments (I'm thinking "Driving Rain" or "Run Devil Run") once or twice and thinking, "Meh - not much need to hear THAT ever again"...while I could honestly listen to "Let Me Roll It" or "Every Night" or even "The Note You Never Wrote" or "Waterfalls" every day for the rest of my life and not get tired of them. Funny how it goes... Michael Sweeney I read Heather Mills' divorce petition and I don't think she has a leg to stand on... (ducking a sudden flying torrent of various rotten fruit and vegetables) _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:00:16 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) Tom Clark says: > My boss despises The Beatles, says they ruined Rock n' Roll. Fortunately U2 is always there to save it. Or is that Radiohead? xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:43:50 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) On 3/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > My boss despises The Beatles, says they ruined Rock n' Roll. > This is an "argument" I've heard many times. I've never understood it. First, what exactly is "rock'n'roll," and how did the Beatles ruin it? So rock'n'roll was in excellent shape until the Beatles came along, is that it? (Check the charts in 1962 before the Beatles, and tell me if you agree...) Or is this about the Beatles incorporating a whole lot of non-rock influences? C'mon: that surely would have happened anyway - it was in the air. Jazz was exploring eastern and African influences at the same time, and had already incorporated classical-type structures and sounds. If anything, the Beatles arguably *saved* rock'n'roll - by introducing the still-common archetype of a self-contained band that wrote and performed (and later, arranged) its own material and output - even including having a huge hand in the album art. Name a rock group of that type before the Beatles. There really weren't any. Even when musicians performed primarily their own material (Chuck Berry, say), the band was more like a backing unit than what we now think of as a band. Or is it that the Beatles didn't "rock"? Uh-huh - compare their version of "Long Tall Sally" with everything else going on at about the same time - and try again. Finally: even if the Beatles were solely responsible for watering down The Rock, and introducing limp-wristed violins and shit into the music (oh puh-lease...name a pre-1962 rocker who didn't strive for mainstream success, including movie music, etc.), and even if someone else wouldn't have come along and done the same thing, why does the Beatles having done so prevent *other* bands from doing the rock'n'roll thing themselves? Or is there no rock at all after 1962? Everyone was so utterly hypnotized by the Beatles (even, of course, those who hated them) that they could no longer figure out how to rock? The whole thing is a lame, shallow, ex-post-facto argument that's built primarily on not liking a very influential band (and its influence) - but as an argument, it's about as flimsy as they come. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:23:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: My name is "Bob Seger", and I have it on very good authority that Jesus Christ was never circumcised (not even *once*!)! Sarah Silverman ... I didn't recognise her name, but I have seen her in some movies - and she was in Star Trek Voyager! (I don't really remember those episodes, much like most Voyager stuff, even though I really liked some of the characters - but I digress). Anyway, I dl'ed abd watched the first two episoded of her new show. - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 5. Mdrz 2007 17:35:02 -0800 regarding Re: My name is "Bob Seger", and I have it on very good authority that Jesus Christ was never circumcised (not even *once*!)!: > I have conflicting feelings about her. My formative years around the > Jewish girls in Long Island cause me to believe she's super hot That kind of socialization isn't necessary: I feel the same way, and I don't even think it's German guilt! > (although > I actually like her sister more), In a way yes, although I wonder if it isn't because of their personas on the show. BTW: While they share *some* physical similarities I was surprised to find they are *really* sisters. > but her humor is hit or miss. Yup, but some of the hits are pretty good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:19:48 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > Tom Clark says: > > My boss despises The Beatles, says they ruined Rock n' Roll. Lauren came back with: > Fortunately U2 is always there to save it. Or is that Radiohead? Bruce Springsteen was being touted as The Future of Rock n' Roll back in 1975 by some, but I never bought into it. This stuff goes in waves. For awhile there though, I thought The Clash were THE ones, but it didn't last long. I stopped carrying who was saving Rock 'n Roll for the general public after R.E.M. flamed out for me when they released Green in 1988. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:35:53 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) - -------------- Original message -------------- From: 2fs > On 3/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > My boss despises The Beatles, says they ruined Rock n' Roll. > > Jeff came back with: > This is an "argument" I've heard many times. I've never understood it. > First, what exactly is "rock'n'roll," and how did the Beatles ruin it? So > rock'n'roll was in excellent shape until the Beatles came along, is that it? > (Check the charts in 1962 before the Beatles, and tell me if you agree...) > > Or is this about the Beatles incorporating a whole lot of non-rock > influences? C'mon: that surely would have happened anyway - it was in the > air. Jazz was exploring eastern and African influences at the same time, and > had already incorporated classical-type structures and sounds. If anything, > the Beatles arguably *saved* rock'n'roll - by introducing the still-common > archetype of a self-contained band that wrote and performed (and later, > arranged) its own material and output - even including having a huge hand in > the album art. Name a rock group of that type before the Beatles. There > really weren't any. Even when musicians performed primarily their own > material (Chuck Berry, say), the band was more like a backing unit than what > we now think of as a band. Jeff, you are certainly correct with the above statements. A great example being the colapse of the Brill Building monopoly over rock'n'roll once the Beatles became the new archetype. This was also touched on in the movie "Grace Of My Heart". MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:59:40 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Casper & the Cookies: on tour [0% RH] They're on tour. You might like them. I know I do. Anyone who can cover both Stanshall and Tommy Roe can't be bad. Kind of witty power-pop, but they do have a shred-off in the middle of the set. Tour dates: Recent live show: (there might be a better one on archive.org) Stewart (message ends) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Happy anniversary! Since we were recently reminded that there are a few fans here, I thought I'd point out that ten years ago today, Buffy the Vampire Slayer premiered. The pilot double episode, "Welcome to the Hellmouth" / "The Harvest," was first broadcast on the old WB Network on March 10, 1997. Happy birthday, Buffy! In honor of this occasion, Wikipedia has picked their BtVS article as today's featured article. The permanent location of the article is ; needless to say it contains vast numbers of plot spoilers for those who haven't already seen the show. And TV.com (NOT a site a usually bother to visit) is featuring all sorts of Buffy and related materials on its front page today. - --fanboy Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #95 *******************************