From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #93 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 9 2007 Volume 16 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] RE: Yeah, Alright ... ["michael wells" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] re: npr's ode to metal [ken ostrander ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... [Tom Clark ] Re: npr's ode to metal [2fs ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [ken ostrander ] spin the black circle [ken ostrander ] Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [2fs ] re: beatles (s# c # a# r) [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Yeah, Alright ... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: npr's ode to metal [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:43:42 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... > P.S. I completely spaced on the "The Science of Sleep" when it ran...I > just put it on the NetQ (whatever the hell that abbreviation was, it > needs to be easier to remember!) And if I had known it has Gael Garcma Bernal in it, I would have been there a long time ago: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0305558/ (* wipes drool away *) Maybe a purchase on this one. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:51:24 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Obviously I'm missing some information with just seeing that one, but > I'm curious in what way you think they are like Gondry's stuff? Because you're watching the wrong ad. This is it: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:55:45 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... > and that ad's only half-clever until you watch this: (you can barely make out the background detail that makes this so neat.) I'm sure there was a third advert in the series giving yet another view into the fishbowl ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:18:53 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... Hi Fegs, Stewart C. Russell says: > > > > and that ad's only half-clever until you watch this: > > (you can barely make out the background detail that makes this so neat.) > > I'm sure there was a third advert in the series giving yet another view > into the fishbowl ... I wish I could see the details better on those. I can definitely see more similarity to Gondry's work there. But unless I'm missing something, I still say they are missing the essential element of feedback e.g. http://bjork.com/videogallery/watch.php?video=13;size=medium Get out your magnifying glass to watch that one. Also nice to find out that Bjork has a new album coming out 7 May (looks like 8 May in the U.S.) called "Volta." http://bjork.com/news/?id=608;year=2007 xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:39:42 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: Yeah, Alright ... Lauren: > Don't be afraid...if only for this reason, Kylie is the shit: It was actually _Giving You Up_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXeGqdf6mc which seems pretty harmless. It was playing at the fitness club while I was lifting Monday night so I was thinking my judgment was not entirely sound, but I still seem to not mind it today. It got the attention of more than one of the lads throwing weight around, I'll say that much. And remember that if you're going to bring it, you might as well bring your friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OMsHMdvZ2o Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:42:46 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... I think I have not stuck to my meaning here, which is really only that I find Mr. Gondry sort of shockingly brilliant and seeing someone else's work that is similar in some ways to his just isn't likely to affect my opinion about Mr. Gondry, no matter how good the other work is. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:56:27 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... michael wells says: > It was actually _Giving You Up_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXeGqdf6mc > which seems pretty harmless. It was playing at the fitness club while I was > lifting Monday night so I was thinking my judgment was not entirely sound, > but I still seem to not mind it today. It got the attention of more than one > of the lads throwing weight around, I'll say that much. I think I understand the gigantic woman thing more than the dwarf thing. But not much more. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:38:08 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > But unless I'm missing > something, I still say they are missing the essential element of > feedback It would probably help if you could easily make out that all the characters are the same guy and girl (and washing machine), and loop round and feed back, and loop round and feed back, and ... then you see the second ad which has new actions (around a fridge/freezer) which loops round and feeds back *and has the first ad going on in the background*. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:27:31 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: npr's ode to metal I was only fainltly, faintly aware of metal from the times before that... specifically, stuff like Sabbath and Judas Priest you were pretty much not allowed to admit to liking, it being a pretty born-again area and those bands being thought to actually be devil-worshippers and youth corruptors*, so I never heard them, only catching the occasional glimpse of an Iron Maiden t-shirt or hearing the odd Ozzy solo track. << yeah, "crazy train" was the only ozzy i ever heard for a long time. billy idol and prince were racey enough. i was in a born-again household; albeit a schizophrenic one due to the fact that my dad only went to church on holidays and such, and the fact that we had a television. when i got a clock radio when i was thirteen, it completely changed my life. sure, i started with the mellow schlock; but quickly worked my way up to the beatles. and then it was all over. i've had numerous people try to poison my love for them with stories about drug references ("the minute you let under your skin then you begin to make it better" - i can't say that it's not about drugs; but i did know that paul wrote the song for julian) and hidden backward messages ("bring me on dead mun" - seemed a stretch to me). it's really these kinds of scare tactics that turned me off of "the church". has anyone else been subjected to the rock and roll religious scarefest? of course, they talk about black sabbath and alice cooper and judas preist and motley crue (shout at the devil) and kiss (knights in satan's service?); but did you know that styx is apparently named after a river in hell? they really pull out the stops with "the lord is my shepard" bit from pink floyd's 'animals'. and so much backward masking baloney. "stairway to heaven" backwards is basically gibberish that almost sounds like they might say "satan" at one point (ironically [if it were true] at the "yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run there's still time to change the road y'on" bit). there are some great ones that i've since discovered like from "empty spaces" ("congratulations! you've found the secret message!") or "darling nikki" ("how are you? i'm fine 'cause i know my lord is coming soon"); but my favorite is still from "another one bites the dust". if you play the title backwards it says very clearly: "it's fun to smoke marijuana". ken "you know his life was saved by rock 'n' roll" the kenster np the who sell out - --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:32:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > And if I had known it has Gael Garcma Bernal in it, I would have been > there a long time ago: > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0305558/ > > (* wipes drool away *) Yeah, I've got kind of a man-crush on the dude. Thought he was fantastic in Motorcycle Diaries and Bad Education. Science of Sleep was my first exposure to Charlotte Gainsbourg though - meow!! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:18:19 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: npr's ode to metal On 3/8/07, ken ostrander wrote: > > > > has anyone else been subjected to the rock and roll religious > scarefest? of course, they talk about black sabbath and alice cooper and > judas preist and motley crue (shout at the devil) and kiss (knights in > satan's service?); but did you know that styx is apparently named after a > river in hell? they really pull out the stops with "the lord is my > shepard" bit from pink floyd's 'animals'. and so much backward masking > baloney. "stairway to heaven" backwards is basically gibberish that almost > sounds like they might say "satan" at one point (ironically [if it were > true] at the "yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run > there's still time to change the road y'on" bit). there are some great ones > that i've since discovered like from "empty spaces" > ("congratulations! you've found the secret message!") or "darling nikki" > ("how are you? i'm fine 'cause i know my lord is coming soon"); but my > favorite is still from "another one bites the dust". if you play > the title backwards it says very clearly: "it's fun to smoke marijuana". Well, the "secret message" bit from Pink Floyd is *recorded* backwards; most of the other "examples" you cite were recorded forwards and, in the minds of religious idiots, "say" something when played backwards. That's a key distinction: the first, obviously, is an artist having a bit of fun; the second is pungent bovine excrement. Even if some random vocal sounds in "Stairway to Heaven" *clearly* said "Hail Satan" when reversed, there's no evidence whatsoever that humans can process language in reverse (nor would there be any evolutionary likelihood or advantage in such a development).* So if the religioids' message rests on the notion that people are subjected to "Satanic" messages when they listen to music *forwards*, they're on even shakier ground than they are in their areas of expertise. And of course the huge irony is that people just didn't listen to records backwards until fundamentalists stumbled upon the notion of "backward masking" (which is the term they use: for messages "masked" by being audible only in reverse) - but afterwards, of course, teenagers with nothing better to do started ruining their parents' turntables by rotating them backwards... Now, of course, listening to a song backwards is way easier with digital files... It's fun, sometimes, to do so - some songs have an entirely different musical logic in reverse (in addition, of course, to the cool sounds). A fun trick is to try to make new, nonsense lyrics out of the reversed phonemes you hear. I think one or two Camper Van Beethoven tracks originated in this way (by playing their own earlier recordings backwards, and writing a new song based on that.) Bowie's "Move On" is the music to "All the Young Dudes" backwards - that's another one. * The fallacy here is, of course, expecting fundamentalists to make any sense. They're in the fear business. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 00:35:15 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... Stewart C. Russell says: > It would probably help if you could easily make out that all the > characters are the same guy and girl (and washing machine), and loop > round and feed back, and loop round and feed back, and ... then you see > the second ad which has new actions (around a fridge/freezer) which > loops round and feeds back *and has the first ad going on in the > background*. Okay, it's getting cooler with each description. I wish youtube images could keep up with you... xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: beatles (s# c # a# r) My favorite on the album is "And Your Bird Can Sing", but that's because Revolver is the best Beatles album evar. <<<<<<< >>>>>> Revolver or Rubber Soul for me. It's a toss up. Never liked Abbey Road that much though, and Sgt. Pepper has lost a lot of it's charm for me over the years. <<<<<< 'abbey road', 'revolver', and the white album are the big three for me that are always contending for the top slot. 'abbey road' usually wins since it was my first. and i don't think there's anything better than that second side. i never get sick of it. i definitely hear something change during "the end". the music seems to really open up into something completely different and the notes rise with the onset of the orchestral bit. i think it climbs two octaves in that one measure. i don't know what's up with "maxwell's silver hammer"; but i read that john mooned paul while he was singing and that's why he cracks up during the bit about writing fifty times at the chalkboard. apart from "mr kite" and "good morning", i think 'sgt pepper' is still a great thrill. >>>>> So I guess I'm saying I really like Rubber Soul. Or maybe I just really like "Drive My Car" segueing into "Norwegian Wood." (I've had just about enough of "You Won't See Me," though. <<<<< >>>> Nothing wrong with "You Won't See Me" in my book. I'm not as keen on "Girl", though. <<<< >>> Does anyone else hear a gradual slowing of the tempo in YWSM? <<< 'rubber soul' is the beginning of the truly great beatles albums, it's like when dorothy comes out of the house into munchkinland. wasn't it recorded after zimmerman got them stoned for the first time? it might be the best of their album titles. it's in the second tier for me with 'let it be' and 'magical mystery tour' and 'sgt pepper'. i've gone back and forth with "girl" and "you won't see me". i've always thought it was a deliberate slow down in the tempo to reflect the exhaustion and despair that come with being scorned. >> This "Revolver" and "Rubber Soul" talk is a bit of a problem for me as in my world "Revolver" does not contain "And Your Bird Can Sing." ............Similar sad story with "Rubber Soul" and "Drive My Car"............. ...Having two versions of those albums really shouldn't even be allowed by law. << "reissue, reissue, repackage, reevaluate the songs". oh how we were taken. i didn't get my beatles albums until the eighties and they still were the crappy carved up u.s. versions that need to be accompanied by "yesterday...and today". it'd be nice to have the butcher version, but not likely at this juncture: http://cgi.ebay.com/Beatles-1966-complete-Butcher-Yesterday-And-Today-EXC_W0QQitemZ110099326147QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> But of my versions, I like "Revolver" better because their personalities were starting to poke through on that one. << such a dramatic leap from 'rubber soul' to 'revolver'. certainly the experimentation with drugs helped the poking. the streamlined u.s. version really moves along. i think it would be disconcerting to actually hear it with the missing songs. this really is the first of their albums where you could start to tell them apart. >> White Album crushes all other Beatles albums. Even without "Revolution #9" which still creeps me the hell out. << > Consider yourself lucky you didn't have to live the throught the "Paul is Dead" story creep out that actually broke from a local Detroit radio station when I was a teenager. < strange how billy shears sounded just like ringo. john sang "i am the walrus" but tried to confuse us in "green onion" by claiming it was paul. he flopped back on "god". the back and forth of "too many people / dear boy" and "how do you sleep?" ("those freaks was right when they said you wuz dead" -owch) and "let me roll it" fed on it too. my friends and i loved to check out the album covers for hidden references to the whole boondoggle. goes to show that people will hear what they want to hear. whoever this new guy is, he broke up the beatles and continues to screw up with the catalogue and his money and the legacy. i still haven't heard 'chaos and creation in the backyard'. there was a band in boston called the swinging erudites who did a "silly love songs" medley with the refrain: "you think that people would've had enough of paul mccartney..." hilarious. i still have a soft spot for macca. 'ram' is still my favorite of his albums; and the one that sounds the most like the quarrymen. i always thought that it was john cleese in the middle of "admiral halsey" with the phone in: "we haven't done a bloody thing all day". "revolution 9" is a classic deconstructionist adventure. another revolution in a year of many. aren't there sampled classical bits in there somewhere? i love all the spoken word bits and the crowd noises. i think it's great fun; but, given the reaction of chuckie manson and friends, i'd say that it's not for everyone. "take this brother, may it serve you well." >>> Even weirder, I first heard Rubber Soul, which I purchased on the same day as my very first Robyn album, in the "US brown-spine cassette version", which has the same tracks as the UK LP, but in a different order for some bizarre reason-- starts with "Norwegian Wood". Anyone else remember these? <<< i believe they changed the order to make the songs fit on the cassette with minimal blank tape. i know that the cassette of 'abbey road' (with a blue spine as i recall) had switched "come together" with "here comes the sun". > I also fell in love all over again with Peppers when I found a copy of the original mono mixes on one of those rip-all-yer-vinyl-to-mp3-and-upload-to-rapidshare blogs. The subtle differences make you hear it all afresh. Can't get enough of the Rita "Aaaaaaaah" sections. < i can't wait for the next wave of remastered cds. they are supposed to have the mono and stereo mixes. getting the headphones all warmed up. if you listen to the standard stereo mixes you can hear all kinds of mistakes: like in "eleanor rigby" when they go from the duel channel intro into the one channel first verse and the transition is less than smooth. i guess stereo was considered a novelty at the time and some tertiary technician was given the job of transferring the original mono recordings into stereo with little oversight. >>>> All academic, of course, as each of those records tower above almost everything else and we all know it, even when we pretend to be too cool to admit it. <<<< it really takes a special kind of cool to hate the beatles. it starts with hating yourself i imagine. >>> The only reason I don't fill my top ten lists with the Beatles catalog and the Beatles catalog only is because that would be really boring. >>> right-o! that's why you get more action out of listing artists. no repeats. ken "you never give me your money" the kenster np 'yip / jump music' daniel johnston - --------------------------------- Expecting? 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Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 00:19:59 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: beatles (s# c # a# r) On 3/9/07, ken ostrander wrote: > > > > if you listen to the standard stereo mixes you can hear all kinds of > mistakes: like in "eleanor rigby" when they go from the duel channel intro > into the one channel first verse and the transition is less than smooth. i > guess stereo was considered a novelty at the time and some tertiary > technician was given the job of transferring the original mono recordings > into stereo with little oversight. Basically, yeah. Must-read: Mark Lewisohn's (sp?) book on the Abbey Road recording sessions (the studio, not the album - in other words, nearly everything they recorded): detail upon detail on how every track was made. Listen to the songs along with the reading, and you'll notice things you never did before. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: re: beatles (s# c # a# r) On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, ken ostrander wrote: > 'rubber soul' is the beginning of the truly great beatles albums, it's > like when dorothy comes out of the house into munchkinland. wasn't it > recorded after zimmerman got them stoned for the first time? it might I thought Dylan stoned them in '64, making Beatles for Sale their first album on pot. > be the best of their album titles. it's in the second tier for me with > 'let it be' and 'magical mystery tour' and 'sgt pepper'. i've gone back > and forth with "girl" and "you won't see me". i've always thought it > was a deliberate slow down in the tempo to reflect the exhaustion and > despair that come with being scorned. Hmm..tricky! But somewhat annoying, still. > mccartney..." hilarious. i still have a soft spot for macca. 'ram' is > still my favorite of his albums; and the one that sounds the most like > the quarrymen. i always thought that it was john cleese in the middle > of "admiral halsey" with the phone in: "we haven't done a bloody thing > all day". Love Ram. "Back Seat of My Car" and "Eat at Home"...can't beat 'em. > "revolution 9" is a classic deconstructionist adventure. another > revolution in a year of many. aren't there sampled classical bits in > there somewhere? i love all the spoken word bits and the crowd noises. Yep > it really takes a special kind of cool to hate the beatles. it starts > with hating yourself i imagine. The Pipettes evidently hate the Beatles.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:20:13 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... Tom Clark says: > Yeah, I've got kind of a man-crush on the dude. Thought he was > fantastic in Motorcycle Diaries and Bad Education. Science of Sleep > was my first exposure to Charlotte Gainsbourg though - meow!! That I admire - it takes a real man to admit to a man-crush (like "Six Feet Under"'s Claire's description of Russell's knitting: "It's like, 'I'm so straight, I can knit.' ") To bring it all back home, in the "liner notes" to the Michel Gondry DVD (which Netflix likely didn't include with the disc), Mr. Gondry says that Pedro Almodovar is his favourite living director. I think it's kind of cool as Gondry seems very trapped in his head while Almodovar is so earthy - sometimes people are attracted to The Other. France to Spain so to speak. I found "Bad Education" to be a bit cold but I should see it a second time. I think I like Almodovar's world of women vs. his world of men. I've most liked "Talk to Her." Come to think of it, isn't that the one with the dream sequence that featured a gigantic woman? xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:47:36 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Yeah, Alright ... - --On 8. Mdrz 2007 20:32:34 -0800 Tom Clark wrote: > Science of Sleep was my first exposure to Charlotte Gainsbourg though - > meow!! Really? Wow, you *have* to watch "The Cement Garden" ... and you didn't see "21 Grams"? Another must in my book. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:20:41 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: catching up...(luv those mutiple digest days!) Rex wrote: >On 3/8/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >> >>On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> > >> Rex wrote: > > >>My favorite on the album is "And Your Bird Can Sing", but that's > >> because Revolver is the best Beatles album evar. > >> > > >Revolver or Rubber Soul for me. It's a toss up. Never liked Abbey Road > > >that much though, and Sgt. Pepper has lost a lot of it's charm for me > > >over the years. >It did for me, too, but then it mysteriously regained almost all of it. >Probably because I laid off of the record for a loooong time, and then >suddenly it sounded great again, especially the less-overplayed stuff. For me, the Sgt. was always teh king shit -- a break from it can help add distance and perspective...but, just like my occasional re-readings of "The Great Gatsby," I still get new things out of it (some 40 years on of playing my mom's original copy - still have it, with the cut-outs - since I was 5). The UK "Revolver," though, is a solid 2nd... Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Rex wrote: >>On 3/8/07, Jason Brown wrote: > >> > > >Are you all still reading actual made from dead trees newspapers? How > > >gouache! >> >> > >Vanishing cultural institutions kind of fascinate me, newspaper stuff in > >particular for some reason. Dunno... old soul syndrome? Village Green > >Preservation Envy? >C'mon Jason--you never pick up the Stranger or the Weekly at the bus stop, >or grab a P-I out of the recycling at Burgermaster? :) >I do have to say, I almost never PAY for a dead-tree newspaper >anymore.. Still buy at least one honest-to-goodness, made-of-wood-pulp-and-all newspaper every day -- leftover vestiges of the journalism student I was some 27 years ago, I suppose. Plus, even with online updates available, and etc., I just feel somewhat fuzzy and disconnected if I miss a day's entire paper. I know: sounds like my own problem... Jeff Dwarf wrote: >Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >>P.S. I was watching some of "Spinal Tap" the other night. In case > >you were worried, it's *still* funny. The audio commentary is > >great as well. I just thought of the part where they describe the > >band member who choked on vomit that was not his own... >You can't really dust for vomit.... ..and the authorities just decided that it was perhaps better left unsolved... Michael Sweeney Always more of a Nigel Tufnel guy (rather than a David St. Hubbins man...) _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:02:53 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: re: npr's ode to metal At 10:27 PM 3/8/2007, ken ostrander wrote: > has anyone else been subjected to the rock and roll religious scarefest? My father's a Southern Baptist minister. Nuff said. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: npr's ode to metal 2fs wrote: > Even if some random vocal sounds in "Stairway to Heaven" *clearly* > said "Hail Satan" when reversed, there's no evidence whatsoever > that humans can process language in reverse (nor would there be > any evolutionary likelihood or advantage in such a development).* Around the time of the Judas Priest trial, I remember a Robert Plant quote to the effect that if masking worked, every record would have the same message in it: Go to the store and buy this record. Which would finally explain why people like Live, Creed, Matchbox 20, or Linkin park, actually.... "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #93 *******************************