From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #81 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 5 2007 Volume 16 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the top 25 albums in prog [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: the top 25 albums in prog ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Interim Report from the Broomewars Truth Commission now available ["M] Re: Movie Talk [2fs ] RE: Movie Talk ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: the top 25 albums in prog [2fs ] Re: Interim Report from the Broomewars Truth Commission now available [2f] Re: the top 25 albums in prog ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: NPR's Ode to Metal ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] requiem for a dream [ken ostrander ] re: women in progness, lucifer in frognal [ken ostrander ] re: fellow fegs ! [ken ostrander ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 [2fs ] Re: Movie Talk [2fs ] Re: fellow fegs ! [2fs ] Re: NPR's Ode to Metal [Tom Clark ] My name is "Bob Seger", and I have it on very good authority that Jesus Christ was never circumcised (not even *once*!)! [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 02:23:48 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: the top 25 albums in prog - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Miles Goosens" > On 3/2/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Of course it was!!! Sorry, I am all keyed up for a job interview this > > afternoon and I made the final cut. Miles came back with: > Congrats! Hope all goes well for the last round. I went very well!!!! I should hear something by Wednesday. > > To complete my few prog confessions, I also tried out Gabriel-era > Genesis (SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND and... something else that > wasn't THE LAMB...) Never did try any Genesis besides Lamb. I was pretty spooked though the first time I played it after borrowing it from a friend when I was 20. I was used to listening to the Allman Brothers, The Pretty Things, and Robin Trower, and Lamb was too unsettling. I didn't buy it till year later. MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:41:09 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: the top 25 albums in prog On 3/4/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > Miles Goosens says: > > And to tie this to David Lynch, I had a dream last year where I was > > backstage at a Styx concert, and they turned out to be nice guys, but > > every one of them was a midget. They used trick stage mirrors to > > appear to be average-sized humans. I felt guilty for making fun of > > them before the show to my entirely-invented-for-this-dream > > girlfriend, who context dictates was a big Styx fan. Then I woke up. > > Just to help me with the Lynch-dwarf thing, was this a sex dream? Nope. I guess they weren't sex dwarfs. > > It was more fun when I dreamed I was Mike Mills and Stipe and Buck > > tried to replace me with Flea, right in the middle of an REM show. > > If Flea was in it, definitely a sex dream. Rut roh. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:53:19 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Interim Report from the Broomewars Truth Commission now available On 3/4/07, Rex wrote: > Miles easily sold me on "the other" Scott Miller some years back. Miller's > a much realer deal than many who try harder to seem like it... great songs > that take a lot of the embarassment out of the idea of rootsiness. Or > something, Laurenily, like that. Hee! He's got a lot of pop smarts too, so the writing is very hook-filled. > Miles also had Glossary in his top 2006 discs, as did I, but I owe that to > him as well. Wow, thanks! The last two Glossary discs are very, very good. http://www.glossary.us tells me they're coming your way live for the first time evah. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:17:29 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Movie Talk On 3/4/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > And before someone asks: Kevin Smith is the Bret Saberhagen of > moviemakers. Every other one's good. So: CLERKS yay; MALLRATS nay; > CHASING AMY yay; DOGMA yeech; JAY & SILENT BOB yay (minority opinion I > know); JERSEY GIRL nay. I haven't seen CLERKS II yet, but it should > be a "yay" based on this theory. Whereas for me, Clerks was okay, didn't see Mallrats, like Chasing Amy fairly well, actually enjoyed Dogma (speaking of minority opinion), saw fifteen minutes of J&SB (with J&A, Miles) and found it so ridiculously obnoxious that, even as parody of ridiculous obnoxiousness, I couldn't watch any more. (Everyone in the room was in agreement on that point). Didn't bother seeing any other Smith movies - since in my summation, he's about played out. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:39:34 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Movie Talk Miles wrote: > > On the Horizon: > > > > "Metropolitan" - on DVD. It turns out I never saw this - I saw > > "Barcelona" and "The Last Days of Disco" in the theatre. I am > curious > > as to well how his movies age. > > I haven't picked up the DVD, but I liked METROPOLITAN least of all of > them. Whit's one of those guys, like Kevin Smith or Aaron Sorkin, who > writes Dialogue No Actual Human Would Ever Say, which can get even > more exacerbated when it's put together with Wooden Amateurish Acting > (another flaw he seems to share with Kevin Smith). METROPOLITAN left > me very cold at the time, so it's a wonder I even saw BARCELONA, but > somehow it charmed me despite sharing many of those same flaws. I > think the Bible dancing - and Chris Eigmann's character's priceless > reaction to it - broke down my resistance. I love Whit if only because it features dialogue no actual human would ever say and features those lines delivered with wooden amateurish acting. To me, that's a big part of the charm. Smith, though, leaves me cold. Just not intelligent enough for me to get through it. And I should add--the Bible dancing is fantastic! I also really loved the line that Eigeman's character used to defend America as no more violent than Europe, suggesting that it's not that there are more shootings but just that Americans were better shots. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:17:08 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the top 25 albums in prog On 3/4/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > > On that prog list: I have owned exactly two of them, IN THE COURT OF > THE CRIMSON KING and 2112. I couldn't stand either one, though I'm > fond of Crimson in general. > Except for one or two tracks ("Schizoid Man" and that huge mellotron instrumental), that's not my favorite Crimson album: insofar as it's closer to Moody Blues territory (even though I can sometimes appreciate *them* as a good pop act, when their ambitions werent' carrying them away). Never could stand Greg Lake's voice. For me, the _Larks/Starless/Red_ Crimson is the strongest incarnation: in terms of sheer volume and power, they kick nearly any metal band's ass, and anyone who doesn't think Fripp is a completely amazing guitar player is advised to try to learn "Fracture" (particularly that middle section: three or four minutes of solid 16th-note cross-picking at 120-130 bpm, and *not* in standard chord patterns - and yes, he could and did do it live). And Richard Palmer-James is a much subtler and better lyricist than Peter Sinfield was, and Wetton's voice is much more textured (and less oofy pretentious) than Lake's - not to mention, his bass sound? Like a fucking bulldozer set to music. So, uh, yeah: like that band. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:20:23 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Interim Report from the Broomewars Truth Commission now available On 3/4/07, Miles Goosens wrote: > > On 2/25/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > curious, though: what's your > > favourite band now? (i'll put a sawbuck on the new pornographers just > > because miles has such impeccable taste!!!) > > Flattery will get you *everywhere.* > > I don't think I have a reigning favorite right now. My favorite > current live artist, and the guy whose work is most in line with my > spirit, is Scott Miller - not the one from Game Theory/Loud Family but > the one from the V-Roys. The only thing holding me back on declaring > him the prize winner is that his albums since 2001's great solo debut > THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS have only been sporadically great instead of > consistently so. He is fucking amazing live, with or without a band. > If you're at all alt-country inclined and don't get your money's worth > at his show, heck, I'll refund you. Miles introduced me to that Scott Miller as well - and I've never really followed up on checking out his other material. But Miles is correct that "...Tyrants" is an excellent album - Miles also made me a compilation of various Miller stuff that indeed is pretty fine. So my not checking it out is more a function of too much stuff than disliking it or anything. Just not quite as compelling as - well, other stuff I have checked out. Okay, that was a lame ending. Sorry. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:42:01 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: the top 25 albums in prog On 3/4/07, 2fs wrote: > For me, the _Larks/Starless/Red_ Crimson is the strongest incarnation: in > terms of sheer volume and power, they kick nearly any metal band's ass, and > anyone who doesn't think Fripp is a completely amazing guitar player is > advised to try to learn "Fracture" (particularly that middle section: three > or four minutes of solid 16th-note cross-picking at 120-130 bpm, and *not* > in standard chord patterns - and yes, he could and did do it live). The one time I saw Crimson live - at one of the 12th & Porter four-night tour warmup stands from a few years back - holy cow, watching that man sit on that stool and make these outrageously big sounds was such a trip. Though he's not a match in virtuosity, fellow immobile guitarist Bruce Gilbert is the only person I can compare Fripp to in terms of "how is that little apparent effort making this huge wonderful noise?" > And > Richard Palmer-James is a much subtler and better lyricist than Peter > Sinfield was, and Wetton's voice is much more textured (and less oofy > pretentious) than Lake's - not to mention, his bass sound? Like a fucking > bulldozer set to music. What does Fripp say in the booklet for THE GREAT DECEIVER... something about how this collection is "powered by John Wetton's bass cabinet" or such. And he is so right. I'm very fond of that Crimson. I'm also very fond of the '80s Crimson, which may have some favoritism from me because they were the first Crimson I discovered - powered by Fripp's many diaries for MUSICIAN magazine at the time. I really enjoyed those diaries, but I also came away with the opinion that Fripp should just give up on his insistence on Crimson being a democracy and seize absolute power. I mean, the way they read, he seemed alternately disappointed at the decisions the other band members made or disappointed when they wouldn't make a decision. It was like one of those marriages where one partner keeps hoping the other will do what they want them to do, but they won't actually communicate what that might be. "If you really loved Crimson, you'd do what I want without me telling you what I want!" later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 04:46:20 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: NPR's Ode to Metal Michael Wells wrote: >Wishing I could fit "swearengin" on a license plate, ...yeah, but you COULD go with Woo's phonetic approximate, "Swidgin" -- and all of us in the know would instantly get it (and, of course, would automatically reply with a mental, "C---sucker!"). Michael "Still trying to erase the mental image of Calamity Jane in the tub" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft. Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:55:49 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 John Irvine says: > I can so relate - we must be the same age. Except, being female, I am, of course, a few years younger ;) > For me and my siblings it > was "Hair", "Jesus Christ Superstar" and an album by Rolf Harris > called "Sun Arise." I could sing any of those songs front to back not > having heard them in like 35 years. > http://www.thejennifers.com/covers.html > http://www.thejennifers.com/The_Jennifers_-_Starshine.mp3 That's a great song to cover. I like that it's done in a not whimsical way. That song always reminds of my Mom - she adores it. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: requiem for a dream not to go too far into defending the vision of excess; but certainly the movie stirred you up. it seems like an expansion of the ground covered in 'pi'. i don't think the barrage of characters hitting rock bottom simultaneously is gratuitous; the effect is dizzying. is it too much? certainly, one of those experiences is enough for anyone. i feel the intent is to level the playing field. none of them is any better or worse off than the others when they all assume the fetal position. and they each had their own dream that died. sure, putting all of your hopes into appearing on a television game show can seem trite; but i think that just makes her more sympathetic. and i think that's the point: that these are people. they're not just statistics or what-have-you. the dream is supposed to be "the american dream" or at least each person's approximation of it. sadly, "the pursuit of happiness" is diluted in their escapist pursuit of pleasure. deep dark stuff, to be sure: it's about as unflinching a look into such things as you get. there's no happy ending. i'm reminded of watching 'click' (um...spoiler alert) recently and thinking as the story took on darker and darker shades that it must all be a dream. ken "everything hits at once" the kenster - --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: women in progness, lucifer in frognal i think that robyn could be considered prog. of course, i define progressive as loosely as i define socialism or alternative. aren't opinions on whether something indicates a progression or regression based on personal perspective and definitions? anyhow, based on the elements described here: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp robyn could be easily considered prog, although his longest song 'the pit of souls (parts one through four)' clocks in at just under ten minutes. the argument could be made that 'underwater moonlight' is a concept album. songs like 'chinese water python' and 'shuffing over the flagstones' certainly sound classical. he fits into the other criteria pretty easily. >> http://music.ign.com/articles/767/767201p1.html << i have albums by several of the artists listed (alan parsons project, soft machine, kansas, moody blues, rush, gentle giant, jethro tull, emerson lake & palmer, marillion, yes, king crimson, and genesis); but only four of the actual albums (marillion, yes, king crimson, and genesis). >>>It strikes me as the kind of list that's conspicuously generous to 2nd and 3rd tier contendors because it doesn't allow for more than one record per artist... I mean, don't the five or six best-loved prog bands really claim two or three masturpieces each? That seem kind of endemic to the genre.<<< i prefer it that way. otherwise, how would we learn about new bands to check out? and even with such "generousity" they still had lots of omissions. love your freudian typo, by the way. >I've known a lot of female Trekkies, for some reason...< those conventions are great for that. >My favorite moment in Lord of the Rings< happy smeigal singing sweetly as he smashes a fish "so tasty sweeeeeet". >Still, if you want to find a Prince, you have to kiss some progs, I guess...< you know, 'the rainbow children' is pretty prog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also noticed something else, leading me to a theory: I only see one record here with any contributions from a female musician... very much a boy's club, prog, sorta like metal. And I don't like metal, either. Coincidence? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< of course, generalized impressions; but they do seem to bear out the gender stats. certainly, there are metal mamas out there; but i think that metal (by definition) is characterized by macho bullshit and as such is completely devoid of the feminine vibe (as typified by the lilith festival). not so with prog. if anything, it seems expansive and open by comparison. whether or not they are commonly associated with the genre, there are several female artists that have already been mentioned. it does go both ways. at my first sleater-kinney show i wormed my way through the crowd toward the stage until i got the snearing "oh, another man" from one of the lovely riot grrrls. i longed to be a member of that club. >>>>>The older I get, the more I realize that genres just don't matter to me. There's stuf I like in almost all - prog, power-pop, ska, soul, rap, metal, yacht rock, punk, gypsy jazz. Pretty much everything except American Idol melismatics, Kenny-G jazz, and contemporary polka.<<<<< i feel that. i like to dabble. and even your exceptions can have entertainment value. there's something for everyone out there. >>>genre is the crutch of the lazy critic, who is all about genre and name dropping. <<< for me these can be helpful as descriptions; but not when they are used dismissively. i'd rather hear for myself when someone poo-poo's something outright for being too much like their cherished favorites. ken "everyone's a v.i.p. to someone " the kenster np 'thunder, lightning, strike' the go! team - --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 05:17:22 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Re: Movie Talk Miles Goosens wrote: >And before someone asks: Kevin Smith is the Bret Saberhagen of >moviemakers. Every other one's good. So: CLERKS yay; MALLRATS nay; >CHASING AMY yay; DOGMA yeech; JAY & SILENT BOB yay (minority opinion I >know); JERSEY GIRL nay. I haven't seen CLERKS II yet, but it should >be a "yay" based on this theory. Is it as solid as the Kevin Kline >Moustache Theory (for which I can take no credit)? Perhaps not. I'm a big Kevin Smith fan (but not nearly as big as Kev himself), but I mostly concur...except I don't rate "Dogma" anywhere near a "yeech" -- it's didactic, but still pretty funny...and with an interesting cast. I thought "Jay and Silent Bob" was a laff riot, so I'm in that minority ("Hey, kids -- it's Mark Hamill!")...and "Clerks II" was both good and funny -- a deserving and pretty faithful revisit to the land of Randal and Dante (and a decent rumination about "uh-oh, I'm 30-something and still doing exactly what I did in my 20s"). If you like Kev's stuff in at least more than a passing way, you should enjoy it. ...Then again, you never know who takes what from anything -- my girlfriend ran into someone on a chat board in the late 90s using the Smith-friendly moniker "Silent Bob" (indeed -- the character played by SMith himself)...and when she tried to semi-signify by greeting the dude by calling him "Tubby Bitch" and "Lunchbox" and "Heterosexual Life Partner" (all references even the casual Kevin Smith fan should get) the guy freaked out, and thought he was being insulted somehow. It'd be like a Robyn-fan / list-newbie wandering out here and thinking "Feg" was some sort of challenge to his sexuality... Michael Sweeney Still attempting those Jedi mind tricks... ps -- as for "the Kevin Kline Moustache-rides Theory," we'd have to ask Phoebe Cates, right? Uh, or did I misread that... _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft. Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: fellow fegs ! >Desperately trying to be vaguely on-topic...< it's hard. >Are they still "The Who"? Probably not. Are they still worth seeing? Oh yeah! Oh fuck, yeah!< 'endless wire' is really good. pete must've had a lot of material saved up. who would think that he could sing like the lovechild of tom waits and louis armstrong? >I travel too much and I buy only ethnic music when I travel.< what are you into? there is a wealth of music out there. i'm currently reading >> I think Sigur Ros rock. > >That's because they do. It's a simple, verifiable fact.< they rock like an iceberg. apparently, on 'takk' they began singing in icelandic. before that they were singing in gibberish. who knew? >Old music is the new new music. Also, Evil is the new Bad.< and superbad james brown is alternative. >Did I not get the memo about Eb taking a break from fegmaniax?< easily overlooked, since it was shuffled in with the broomwar truth commission report. > I'm no musicologist either, but I'd say Led Zeppelin is metal in > the same way that the Stooges are punk or Joy Division is goth or > Jesus is Christian. The person/group was not part of the later > movement, but did help inspire it, and the later movement > incorporated some but not all elements of the inspiration's work. this really says a lot. the stone and the ripples are not the same. and that's why these pigeons are too big for the genres. kudos for linking all these together in a cohesive sentence. >>I hope you guys all enjoy your Robynmas presents. I got a box of Weetabix and some ice-cream hands this year. Yay!<< wow, forgot to send him a card; but i did play 'alright, yeah' on guitar for my daughter. her birthday is coming up next week. maybe she'll get electric bulbs on her cake. ken "i gotta laugh" the kenster - --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:24:34 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 On 3/4/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > John Irvine says: > > > > http://www.thejennifers.com/covers.html > > http://www.thejennifers.com/The_Jennifers_-_Starshine.mp3 > > That's a great song to cover. I like that it's done in a not whimsical > way. I'm impressed both by the mixing in of at least one other song, and that you took a song that, in many ways, was horrifyingly bad and made it pretty good. Of course, that's because you left out the most horrifying bad part of the song (that "glibby glop gloopy" part). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:29:00 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Movie Talk On 3/4/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > e > was being insulted somehow. It'd be like a Robyn-fan / list-newbie > wandering out here and thinking "Feg" was some sort of challenge to his > sexuality... Or that we were often pissed off at some guy named Tom Clark. Which isn't true - except of course for Peter Buck. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:31:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fellow fegs ! On 3/4/07, ken ostrander almost wrote: > > the stones and the ripples are not the same. That's true - the Ripples tried to get that sound, but they were always a pale imitation of Mick and Keith and the boys. Uh, that's how I read what you'd written, the first time. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:37:31 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: NPR's Ode to Metal On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Michael Wells wrote: > >> Wishing I could fit "swearengin" on a license plate, > > ...yeah, but you COULD go with Woo's phonetic approximate, > "Swidgin" -- and all of us in the know would instantly get it (and, > of course, would automatically reply with a mental, "C---sucker!"). > > Michael "Still trying to erase the mental image of Calamity Jane in > the tub" Sweeney Really? I thought she cleaned up quite well! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0917848/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:41:40 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Bob Seger", and I have it on very good authority that Jesus Christ was never circumcised (not even *once*!)! more legend than man. more warrior than hunter. more righteous than brittany spears. welcome back, doc! <"Metropolitan" - on DVD. It turns out I never saw this - I saw "Barcelona" and "The Last Days of Disco" in the theatre. I am curious as to well how his movies age.> if you like whit (and, really, who doesn't like whit?), you'll love criterion's new release of *Kicking And Screaming* (although, alas, baumbach doesn't believe in doing commentary tracks). other winners: *Reds*. such a beautiful transfer! as much as i love the movie, i hadn't seen it in years, as the thought of looking at the shitty botch-job transfer of the laserdisc release was just too painful. (though i pulled it out the other day, and the packaging is nicer than i remember: lists all the witnesses -- with little pictures and bios of each -- on the inside gatefold, for example.) *Fast-Food Nation*. given the reviews, and given linklater's shittiness in recent years (*School Of Rock*? *Bad-News Bears*? *Tape*? shit!, shit!, and more shit!), i was fully expecting this to suck. not only does it not suck, it's easily his best movie since (the very underrated) *Newton Boys*...and *possibly* the best movie of his career. believe it, brothers and sisters! and i was convinced that he'd never make another great movie. the making of *The Band*. after the mention here of the making of *British Steel*, i checked to see if the library had a copy. they didn't have that, but they did have this. it's all very interesting, but the highlight for me is a little clip of robbie singing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" while accompanying himself on the piano. i don't *think* there're any released versions with robbie on vocals, are there??? you wanna feel old? garth hudson turns *70* this year. <> i like it a lot, too -- but it was released in '05. <<28) Yo La Tengo, I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass>> he had it ranked much higher than i did, though i consider it a good record - -- but wholly on the quality of the two long songs ("Pass The Hatchet" and "Story Of Yo La Tengo"). everything else is very boring. if they'd released just those two songs as an EP, it'd probably've ranked much higher on my list. or you can download each episode for free from usenet -- probably in better quality than one'd find on itunes, i'm guessing? that's how i'm watching the sarah silverman show -- the last three episodes of which i thought were quite hilarious, after finding the first two to've been just so-so. <> i'll upload it to usenet if you want. you won't have to watch tweedy doing any dances -- and you ain't gonna hear "Company In My Back" or "Late Greats" on any of those 2002 boots... we'll have to agree to disagree with regards to whit; but with regards to smith, you couldn't be more right. more like the mario mendoza, if you ask me. i got *Deadwood* season one from the library on recommendation from this board, and thought it was complete and utter shit. so, if i hateHateHATE feg-faves *Buffy*, *Gilmore Girls*, and *Deadwood*; and loveLoveLOVE *Family Guy*, *Wonder Showzen*, and *Sarah Silverman*; how would i feel about *Battlestar Galactica*? (my interest was initially piqued, ironically enough, when kevin smith recommended it on ebert & roeper a while back.) hmm, i guess my three loves are all half-hour comedies. i loved *The Sopranos* too, if that helps. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #81 *******************************