From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 4 2007 Volume 16 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Liechtenstein/Lynch [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Liechtenstein/Lynch [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] hey! It's Robynmas! ["natalie jacobs" ] Re: Movie Talk [2fs ] Re: Movie Talk [Tom Clark ] RE: hey! It's Robynmas! [tanter ] linkz u can use 2 ["michael wells" ] Re: NPR's Ode to Metal ["michael wells" ] wandering what my parents thought [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 [Sebastian Hagedorn ] RE: NPR's Ode to Metal ["Marc Alberts" ] Happy (belated) b-day, Uncle Robby! ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: wandering what my parents thought ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Robyn's best songs [Rex ] Re: Eb MIA? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 [Rex ] Re: NPR's Ode to Metal [Rex ] Re: Happy (belated) b-day, Uncle Robby! [Rex ] Re: Movie Talk ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Movie Talk [Rex ] Reap ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Roky/Robyn ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Movie Talk ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: NPR's Ode to Metal ["Miles Goosens" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:21:29 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Liechtenstein/Lynch >On 3/2/07, Michael Wells wrote: > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070302/ap_on_fe_st/mistaken_invasion > > > > We'll be bringing you the rest of "World's Least Likely Headlines" right > > after these... > > >You laugh - but at least now there's a chance that we've made some progress >in beating back the Liechtenstein Menace. The Axis of Tiny? Watch out Andorra! >John Irvine says: > > All I know is that I loved Mullholland Drive, and my wife hated it - > > accusing me of only digging it for the lesbian scenes. I swore it was > > not true, but it makes you wonder. There's a lot of male fantasy in > > his work. And there's something kinda sexy about dwarves.. > >That Rita was way too "womanly" for my tastes. My God, she could hurt >someone with those. > >Maleness and femaleness aside, that scene with Naomi Watts >masturbating on the couch is to me one of the most disturbingly >memorable images of a female's alone time. > >I definitely feel like Lynch gives a view into a male psyche. He >presents interesting view of the underworld. It always has slight >variations except that it's pretty much a given that the women of the >underworld are still and topless. I am not sure if you are kidding >about dwarves, but if not, please explain. > >One of my best friends once went to rent "Blue Velvet". He couldn't >find it as he was looking in the comedy section. I don't know how >relevant it is that it that he is gay except that it seems to point to >a common love in the gay community of things rather over-the-top (a >definite quality to Lynch's work.) Oh, and get well soon to all those suffering respiratory ailments on the list! James np - Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra, of all things - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:31:12 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Liechtenstein/Lynch >Oh, and get well soon to all those suffering respiratory ailments on the list! ...and other ailments, too. I now see that Seb. has arm problems... >I'm somewhat surprised to find myself coming down on the positive side >for Joanna Newsome. Perhaps it's to maintain the cosmic balance - a >co-worker dropped the disc on my desk with visible revulsion. Hee. She >bought it because of my interest. Luckily I also recommended she order >the Editors "The Back Room" which we both love. The lead singer's voice >reminds me very much of Dead Can Dance's Brendan Perry - something in >the quality. He's young and doesn't have the technique or depth Perry >has yet, obviously, but still. The sound is startlingly nostalgic - they >are described as neo-post-punk, but it's more like they stepped through >a timewarp from, like, 1981. What a weird career path that guy has had. Perry, for those of you who don't know, first came to public musical attention under the name Ronnie Recent, as a member of NZ's (IMO) best punk rock band The Scavengers. Their song "Mysterex" is as good as anything the Buzzcocks ever did and in very similar vein. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:35:38 -0600 From: "natalie jacobs" Subject: hey! It's Robynmas! Happy birthday, Robyn! One of our clients is going into labor today - it'd be cool if the baby shared a birthday with Robyn, although I doubt the parents even know who he is. Anyway, I hope you guys all enjoy your Robynmas presents. I got a box of Weetabix and some ice-cream hands this year. Yay! n. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:18:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Movie Talk On 3/3/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > "Black Snake Moan" - is it wrong that I want to see this? Christina Ricci chained to a radiator - what could be wrong with that? (Incidentally, my guess is that was the actual pitch for the movie...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:59:14 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Movie Talk On Mar 3, 2007, at 6:18 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 3/3/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: >> >> "Black Snake Moan" - is it wrong that I want to see this? > > Christina Ricci chained to a radiator - what could be wrong with that? > > (Incidentally, my guess is that was the actual pitch for the movie...) Actually, the director, Craig Brewer, had major studios interested in the movie long before it was cast. I just listened to an interview with him on Filmspotting and he says that during last year's Sundance, all the studios that lost out on his "Hustle and Flow" movie scrambled to get copies of his latest project ("Snake.."), and started bidding on it shortly thereafter. So the mental images of Christina Ricci didn't contribute to the film getting made, but I bet the actual images will put asses in the seats. "I aim to fix you" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:02:35 -0600 From: tanter Subject: RE: hey! It's Robynmas! I'd love to know how Robyn spends his birthday.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:27:06 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: linkz u can use 2 Wonderful images from an Icelandic farm: http://www.ismennt.is/not/salvor/vaglar/vaglarjul97.htm Aerial view of the battleship North Carolina, on which my grandfather was stationed when it was commissioned: http://tinyurl.com/3ydmxy Verve page for jazz/funk outfit The Crusaders - nee Jazz Crusaders - featuring Wilton Felder, who played on bass on John Cale's PARIS 1919 (and created one of the greatest bass lines in history for The Jackson Five's "I Want You Back"). Dig track 2: http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=m &src=art&pid=11628 As a kid, did you like to play in holes? http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0505/feature4/multimedia.html The Chicago Symphony has posted last season's "Beyond the Score" performances online for download. As multimedia presentations explaining (before intermission) and performances of a particular score (after intermission), they tend to turn out pretty well. I try to make one or two a year: http://www.cso.org/main.taf?p=11,25 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:34:05 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: Re: NPR's Ode to Metal Carrie: > I think the greatest hits of the 1200s are hot. Hey, me too! Rex > I should've phrased that more carefully... what I was meaning to say was that there's probably more misogyny-per-song in metal at large than there is in your average non-metal genre More than hip-hop, say? Wherzzz mah BITCHUZ!?! > it was during a time when hair bands were universally described as metal, and little else was, but I do get that. Is that perhaps a product of where you grew up? I don't mean that in a bad way, but there seem to be distinct regional differences in what is called what. I think Miles and I had this conversation once. In the early 80's things weren't always so clear-cut beyond touchstones like Sabbath, Priest and (early) Maiden. The first Metallica album was part thrash, which disappeared into the grinding 'metal' sound that made them famous. The first Motley Crue album had some nice metal elements, but they quickly devolved into a self-parody. Unless you made the same album over and over ala AC-DC, there were hairs to be split even within a bands catalogue. Jason, correct: > I think many metal-heads would argue that many 80's hair bands are are not metal at all. Not even close! We scorned at their fans' fringed jackets (though I must admit Tawny Kitaen rolling around on that car in the Whitesnake video was enough to send a young man into convulsions). Marc: > The perfect rib should have balance, and for that reason I prefer the sauce on the side. Don't you miss those lovely little crunchy bits where the sugar in sauce has blackened on the grill grates? All this talk of Q on Friday (BBQ, not Quincy Jones) was too much - I stopped for a tip-and-link dinner on the way home from work. It wasn't great, but *man* did I need to scratch that itch. Lauren, on Lynch: > I am not sure if you are kidding about dwarves, but if not, please explain. "I'm not going to go around explaining myself. Either you get it or you don't" - Zappa, wearing a green oven mitt Tom: > It's the Les Paul. Lots more depth than a Tele or SG. But what the hell do I know? There's something to that, as any of the multitude of guitarists on this list can tell you. But it does have more to do with the guy holding the guitar than the guitar itself; Page was an accomplished player who loved to throw down alternate voicings rather than just relying on root/5ths all the time. Chris said it better than all of us, and it bears repeating: > The person/group was not part of the later movement, but did help inspire it, and the later movement incorporated some but not all elements of the inspiration's work. Wishing I could fit "swearengin" on a license plate, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:00:43 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: wandering what my parents thought Okay, I recently got hold of a copy of Harry Nilsson's version of "Cuddly Toy" - which I knew, as a kid, in the version by the Monkees. And you know what? Those lyrics are kinda dirty. Never noticed that as a kid though... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 07:16:47 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 - -- Miles Goosens is rumored to have mumbled on 3. Mdrz 2007 17:02:41 -0600 regarding Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77: > Yes, get-well wishes to you two illin' Fegs Absolutely, from me as well. I'm sure they need it more than I do (and more than Princess Anne)! > - sorry to hear about > Sebastian's troubles too. Thanks. The worst part seems to be over. Anyway, .... > REALLY DISAPPOINTING ALBUMS > 28) Yo La Tengo, I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass WTF?? I take it you like them in general, but not this one? I really wonder why. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:40:53 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: yeah, right so I'm watching this Summerstage: Live From Central Park show on HDNet, and I'm of course over analyzing why Devo kicks ass over the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. Both are performance bound, but Devo seems to relish in their own space and invite you in, while Karen O seems to want to impose her uniqueness on you. It's weird, I think I would actually like them if they were fronted by Patti Smith. Is that wrong? Does that make me a geezer? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:51:22 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: NPR's Ode to Metal Michael Wells wrote: > Marc: > > The perfect rib should have balance, and for that reason I prefer the > sauce on the side. > > > Don't you miss those lovely little crunchy bits where the sugar in > sauce has > blackened on the grill grates? All this talk of Q on Friday (BBQ, not > Quincy > Jones) was too much - I stopped for a tip-and-link dinner on the way > home > from work. It wasn't great, but *man* did I need to scratch that itch. > Ugh, no. That's just grilled meat with sauce slathered over it, not BBQ. BBQ is cooked very slow over indirect heat with lots of smoke, and you never put the sauce on when it's actually on the grates because there is nothing much in this world worse than a perfect piece of slow cooked and smoked meat with the bitter taste of burnt sugar interfering. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Happy (belated) b-day, Uncle Robby! ...Oops -- are we forgetful Fegs for not noting (if not celebrating) RH's birthday yesterday? Or has this already been dealt with / dismissed / etcetera on natal anniversaries past (when I was a mere lurker and perhaps not paying enough attention)? The funny thing was, it was my girlfriend who said to me earlier, "Isn't it Robyn's birthday today?" and I had to respond with a thoughtful, "Uh...I dunno..." (She's a Feg by osmosis through me...and much looking forward to our first RH road trip from Chicago to Philly in a few weeks) (we're also catching our 3rd Lindsey Buckingham show of his current tour the following night -- fortuitous timing!) Anyway -- just felt the need to chime in on something that wasn't related to prog rock, math, musical misogyny (or not), the Bangles, Eddy Grant, "Beyond Belief" (prob. also my fave EC song), John Cale, the inviolability of the Liechtenstein border, or the inalienable yet ineffable vagaries of being... ...Or, to quote Lauren, something like that... Michael Sweeney Immune to everything except the butterfly... _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:50:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movie Talk - -- Lauren Elizabeth is rumored to have mumbled on 3. Mdrz 2007 11:28:43 -0500 regarding Movie Talk: > Star Trek: TNG - Season 3 discs - I'll spare you the details. Not a > "movie" per-se anyway. But a kick-ass season. True, though season 5 is the best in my mind. Yet my appreciation of Star Trek has diminished a great deal ever since I discovered those movie-styled series that abound these days. Idea-wise there may be few that actually rival (good) Star Trek - let's not forget the croakers that went along with it, but regarding camera mobility and overall cinematic atmosphere not even the latest Trek series approached the level that other series had by that time reached. I haven't yet seen any of the others you commented on. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:37:50 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: wandering what my parents thought 2fs says: > Okay, I recently got hold of a copy of Harry Nilsson's version of "Cuddly > Toy" - which I knew, as a kid, in the version by the Monkees. > > And you know what? Those lyrics are kinda dirty. > > Never noticed that as a kid though... The song seems rather racy for the Monkees to cover (admittedly I am comparing it to only to the few radio-popular Monkees songs which I know.) I think my parents have your parents trumped on this one as I have very fond memories from childhood of sitting in the living room listening to the (original) soundtrack to "Hair". I think my parents had seen the play in NYC. Seriously, they are really fairly conservative - they get "Time" and "The New Yorker" and the walls are lined with the Western Canon. But they have a sort of non-interventionist streak in them - I suspect they believe on some level that children can sort of raise themselves just fine. I still know most of the words to "Frank Mills", I still get a little sentimental if I listen to "Air", and I'm still trying to figure out a few of those bigger words. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:55:17 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: yeah, right Tom Clark says: > It's weird, I think I would > actually like them if they were fronted by Patti Smith. Is that > wrong? Does that make me a geezer? No, not at all. I think it actually makes you a fogey. xo Lauren, off to search for Yeah Yeah Yeahs on YouTube - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:04:07 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Robyn's best songs On 3/3/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > > I have long held the opinion, based on my love of You and Oblivion and > Invisible Hitchcock, that Robyn himself does not reliably choose his best > songs for official album tracks.* A Skull, A Suitcase and a Long Red > Bottle > of Wine and Ghost Ship are two of my favorite songs of his, and they were > both relegated to an odds-and-sods compilation. Some of the best songs > from > Jewels for Sophia era were either on Star for Bram, or were bonus tracks > (Hoot Hoot). Ditto Moss Elixir/Mossy Liquor. I'm with you all the way until the "Hoot Hoot" thing... I can't really make much of the fragment that's there, but I don't much like it. "Hackman" I do like, throwaway performance that it is. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:19:14 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Eb MIA? - -- Steve Talkowski is rumored to have mumbled on 2. Mdrz 2007 10:59:54 -0500 regarding Eb MIA?: > Did I not get the memo about Eb taking a break from fegmaniax? Well, he "threatened" to unsub several times - only Woj knows if he really did. I've been contemplating contacting him directly, but haven't yet done so. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:16:01 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 On 3/3/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > > REALLY DISAPPOINTING ALBUMS > > 28) Yo La Tengo, I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass > > WTF?? > > I take it you like them in general, but not this one? I really wonder why. That's a little surprising to me, too... what rankled you about it? It was all good times for me. too. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:21:19 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: NPR's Ode to Metal On 3/3/07, michael wells wrote: > > > Rex > > I should've phrased that more carefully... what I was meaning to say was > that there's probably more misogyny-per-song in metal at large than there > is > in your average non-metal genre > > > More than hip-hop, say? Wherzzz mah BITCHUZ!?! I guess I wasn't counting hip-hop as your *average* non-metal genre! > it was during a time when hair bands were universally described as metal, > and little else was, but I do get that. > > > Is that perhaps a product of where you grew up? I don't mean that in a bad > way, but there seem to be distinct regional differences in what is called > what. I think Miles and I had this conversation once. Maybe, since Miles and I grew up in relatively the same place. But I thought it was an MTV convention of the time, too: Motley Crue and Warrant would be on Headbanger's Ball, and Headbangers were metalheads, and Headbanger's Ball was for heavy metal; all the kids who liked Motley Crue and Warrant also like Metallica and Megadeth. Strangely, though, the local word for all of the kids who liked all of those band was "Skynyrds". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:23:08 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Happy (belated) b-day, Uncle Robby! On 3/4/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > Anyway -- just felt the need to chime in on something that wasn't related > to > prog rock, math, musical misogyny (or not), the Bangles, Eddy Grant, > "Beyond > Belief" (prob. also my fave EC song), John Cale, the inviolability of the > Liechtenstein border, or the inalienable yet ineffable vagaries of > being... If you work hard enough, you can totally eff the vagaries of being. Life takes Visa! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:29:57 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Movie Talk Sebastian Hagedorn says: > True, though season 5 is the best in my mind. Yet my appreciation of Star > Trek has diminished a great deal ever since I discovered those movie-styled > series that abound these days. Idea-wise there may be few that actually > rival (good) Star Trek - let's not forget the croakers that went along with > it, but regarding camera mobility and overall cinematic atmosphere not even > the latest Trek series approached the level that other series had by that > time reached. Which other series are you thinking of? I am pretty out-of-the-loop. Someone recently recommended Battlestar Galactica and I have to find out when it's on (hopefully I don't need cable for it.) I think Season 5 of Star Trek: TNG was after Gene Roddenberry died and I had remembered that people thought the series went a bit downhill afterwards. I don't remember enough of the episodes to have an opinion about it but I'll be going on to renting Seasons 4 and 5 eventually. As far as the evolution of Star Trek, I tend not to care about whether the computers look metal or cardboard. The episodes I like most are usually the personal ones about the characters, philosophical, or sort of dream-within-a-dream (e.g. "Amok Time", "The Empath", "The Menagerie", oh, that sad one where the guy builds the M5...I don't know the names of the TNG episodes.) Star Trek: TNG occasionally leaves me missing the old days, back when The Prime Directive was more like a "suggestion" rather than a code. xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:33:14 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Movie Talk On 3/3/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 3/3/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > > > > > "Black Snake Moan" - is it wrong that I want to see this? > > > Christina Ricci chained to a radiator - what could be wrong with that? > > (Incidentally, my guess is that was the actual pitch for the movie...) Maybe it's just me, but I don't find the concept of that film as utterly scandalous as everyone seems to make it out to be. It doesn't seem that much more "controversial" that a lot of what happens in your average thriller or TV procedural. I'd hate to think that the racial dynamic is still what gets people all hot and bothered... so I'll just hope that the part that's got folks tripping is that the captor is portrayed sympathetically. It's also interesting that Ricci seems to have earlier avoided the sexpot ingenue tag-- despite quite a few explicit-ish indie roles, she was never that much of a conventional much-lusted-after-by-average-guys hottie, considering that here contemporaries were, like, Party of Five stars and the kids in the Scream or American Pie films, right? So it's interesting that she's being sold that way now. I know that hipster-guys have long had a thing for her. (She was a college friend's younger sister, and I never really quite got past that, although I like a lot of her work). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Reap Thomas F. Eagleton, Former Missouri Senator, 1972 Vice-Presidential Nominee, 77 http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16833807.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:55:12 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Roky/Robyn Hey Jeff, thanks for the Roky Erickson article link: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/03/DDG4JODSFE1.DTL I've been a huge fan of his for quite a while. A couple of years ago, I wound coming in contact with his brother Sumner, and met Roky at the Austin City Limits Music Festival in 2005 (his first major public show in years and years). Since then, it sounds like he's been keeping busy. I'm really looking forward to seeing him at Coachella this year. And just to tie things up a bit, I just found this on the Hitchcock Museum site: March 15 Threadgills WHQAustin, TX The Roky Erickson Trust presents: The 5th Annual Roky Erickson Psychedelic Ice Cream Social celebrating Electro-Shock Survivors! Roky Erickson & The Explosives, Spoon, Robyn Hitchcock & Peter Buck, Michelle Shocked, Stuart Braithwaite of Mogwai, Tommy X Hancock, Black Lips, Powell St. John, J. T. Van Zandt & Sumner Erickson of The Texcentrics PLEASE NOTE: Robyn & Peter will be on at 3 pm sharp! Man, I wish I could be there. I'll see Robyn a month later, but this combination is just too cool, Marc It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -- Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:06:41 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Movie Talk Lauren: > Which other series are you thinking of? I am pretty out-of-the-loop. > Someone recently recommended Battlestar Galactica BSG is my favorite TV show right now, by far. It's really not so much about the science in science fiction; in fact, it probably owes as much to Hill Street and Homicide, in terms of character focus and camerawork, as it does to any other TV antecedent. Great scripts, great acting, wonderful plot payoffs and tremendous continuity, no Rodenberry-mandated happy p.c. resolutions - everything most certainly has a cost in this show, and no one's hands are clean. About half the time I want to call it Babylon 5, because that's the show that comes to mind for me most often when watching it. As much as I loved B5, BSG may be even better. > and I have to find > out when it's on (hopefully I don't need cable for it.) Yes and no - it is on the SciFi channel, so you need cable to see the current season. But Seasons 1 and 2 are on DVD (warning: s2 is split between two sets since SciFi decided to roll out the first half of s2 on DVD just in time for Christmas 2005), so you can catch up in no time, which is actually how I did it this summer. Yes, it took me a long time to get my brain around the notion that anything concerning the words "Battlestar Galactica" could actually be good. Also, the current season (s3) is also available for download at iTunes for $1.99 an episode, though I think you can get a discount if you buy the whole season at once. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:40:38 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: NPR's Ode to Metal On 3/4/07, Rex wrote: > On 3/3/07, michael wells wrote: > > Is that perhaps a product of where you grew up? I don't mean that in a bad > > way, but there seem to be distinct regional differences in what is called > > what. I think Miles and I had this conversation once. > > > Maybe, since Miles and I grew up in relatively the same place. But I > thought it was an MTV convention of the time, too: Motley Crue and Warrant > would be on Headbanger's Ball, and Headbangers were metalheads, and > Headbanger's Ball was for heavy metal; all the kids who liked Motley Crue > and Warrant also like Metallica and Megadeth. I think this may be a case where the slight age difference between me 'n' Rex comes into play. My jr. high / high school years were 1979-1985, which means "largely predating all four of these bands' popularity," so maybe by '88 or '89, the categories and who listened to them had moved around. Please note the "largely" qualifier, as I'm well aware that bands like the Crue were getting attention during the early '80s. But this is how I remember it... Warrant, Winger, Poison, and their ilk: utterly loathed by all metal-heads I knew. They saw them as metal for fourteen-year-old girls. (I personally give Poison's "Talk Dirty To Me" props for being the best Cheap Trick song of the late '80s, including CT's own contemporaneous material. But that's as far as I'll go in praising these folks.) Key indicator: The Power Ballad. the Crue: 50/50 split. The hardcore metal fans I knew oft despised their obviously commercial sound, and those numbers swelling as their career progressed and the metal-lite elements got more play. But a lot of 'em actually liked SHOUT AT THE DEVIL, which does have a little more to recommend it than subsequent Crue offerings. But even at their worst, the Crue had more grit and swagger than the bands in the above category. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, etc.: Before Metallica's "black album," this was power-ballad-free true believer territory, and the folks I knew who loved these bands, like my former brother in-law, despised Warrant, Winger, et al. Again, keep in mind that these bands rose to popularity while I was in college, so my exposure to metal was considerably less by then. I might also add that among the metalheads of my acquaintance, Headbanger's Ball was roundly sneered at when it would play Warrant, Winger, etc. You really don't want to know the names that brother-in-law called Riki Rachtman - and I thought I was tough on Dave Kendall and Lewis Largent, sheesh! >Strangely, though, the local > word for all of the kids who liked all of those band was "Skynyrds". Whoa, not even part of the parlance in southern WV, though Skynyrd was usually well liked amongst the folks of whom we've been speaking. A weird and related phenomenon: these same folks all hate hate hated country music until Hank Jr. entered the redneck-pandering phase of his career in the early '80s. Suddenly there'd be a Hank Jr. cassette in their backpacks, between the Priest and Van Halen. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #79 *******************************