From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 2 2007 Volume 16 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? ["Jason Brown" ] Swiss accidentally invade Liechtenstein ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? [Rex ] Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? [2fs ] Re: Swiss accidentally invade Liechtenstein [2fs ] Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? [The Great Quail ] RE: Prog, Lynch ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Prog, Lynch ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: women in progness, lucifer in frognal ["Gene Hopstetter Jr." ] Re: Prog, Lynch [Rex ] Re: Lately [Rex ] RE: Prog, Lynch ["Bachman, Michael" ] metal [Christopher Gross ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #76 [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #76 ["vivien lyon" ] Re: Prog, Lynch ["John Irvine" ] metal ribs ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Prog, Lynch [Rex ] Re: Prog, Lynch [2fs ] Re: metal ribs [2fs ] Re: Prog [Steve Schiavo ] NPR's Ode to Metal [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:09:50 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? On 3/2/07, Rex wrote: > I should've phrased that more carefully... what I was meaning to say was > that there's probably more misogyny-per-song in metal at large than there is > in your average non-metal genre, something Jeffrey said better than I > had/am doing now. It could just be the metal that I grew up with, which was > '80's hair band stuff, and that was none too progressive. The > anger-and-violence flavors of metal are lyrically opaque to me except when I > see quotes in reviews, and their subject matter seems to me not so much > anti-female as basically dismissive of female perspectives, but hey, I don't > really know that much about it. But I have seen a Whitesnake video or two > in my time! I think many metal-heads would argue that many 80's hair bands are are not metal at all. My metal head friend Layne would argue that say that bands AC/DC, Def Leppard, and Whitesnake are variations of Hard Rock. While a band like Poison is really just a boy band in metal drag. > Re: Lauren's comments, no, I didn't mean to imply that the existence of > boys'-clubby things was a bad thing, and it might even be essential. It's > just that boys'-clubby things rarely interest me personally, so I shouldn't > be surprised that musical genres answering to that description don't do it > for me either, and yet for some reason I'd never thought of that before. Of > course, once again, even rock fandom in general is pretty male-dominated, so > there's that. So what you are saying is that yer just a big pussy? ;-) But I see what you are saying though. Personally, think things like prog and metal far more in the geek's club category than boy's club. Right in there with super-hero comics, war games, and fantasy baseball. They do tend to lack female partcipation or perspective but its not completely absent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:27:33 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Swiss accidentally invade Liechtenstein http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070302/ap_on_fe_st/mistaken_invasion We'll be bringing you the rest of "World's Least Likely Headlines" right after these... Michael Robyn, classical, metal, heavy prog, some jazz, obscure acoustic, pop and one small hermit crab in my new marine tank that I have no idea where it came from division ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:09:32 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Why can't Johnny like prog? Quail: > Ugh, ugh, ugh. Rather than actual devote any honest intellectual energy > to wondering why certain genres may appeal to certain sexes or genres, you > just...dismiss them as boy's clubs, and label them as "juvenile." Your frustration with the opinions themselves is understandable -- it's even good list fodder, IMO, and could have been a good discussion. But jeez, how much more delicately should Rex have qualified his statements for you than he already did? He bent over backwards to say "feel like 'boys' clubs'" and "feel 'juvenile' to me". "Feel" is a pretty strong qualifier all by itself. So is "to me". Even putting the offending labels in quotes, "boys clubs" and "juvenile", reads to me like a tacit "for want of a better word". In other words, he did a spectacularly lousy job of dismissing or labeling anything. You should have hit delete a few more times. At least that's how it "feels" "to me". +brian (misses Eb too) in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:32:51 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? On 3/2/07, Jason Brown wrote: > > > I think many metal-heads would argue that many 80's hair bands are are > not metal at all. My metal head friend Layne would argue that say > that bands AC/DC, Def Leppard, and Whitesnake are variations of Hard > Rock. While a band like Poison is really just a boy band in metal > drag. I have heard this, and given what metal was before and after that era, it makes sense. It's hard for me to really internalize, because when someone first sat down with me and said, "Son, it's time you learned what Heavy Metal was", it was during a time when hair bands were universally described as metal, and little else was, but I do get that. > So what you are saying is that yer just a big pussy? ;-) Hee... kinda! Charitably I might say I'm kind of Lauren's opposite number, more interested in what the girls are doing than my own putative people. Personally, think things like prog and > metal far more in the geek's club category than boy's club. Right in > there with super-hero comics, war games, and fantasy baseball. They do > tend to lack female partcipation or perspective but its not completely > absent. Right, I guess that makes sense. Again, I kinda became a music geek as an alternative to the previous kind of geek I had been (comic books were involved), so I shied away from it. Not that I didn't like geeky shit in rock-- Talking Heads were my first love, really. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:34:16 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? On 3/2/07, Jason Brown wrote: > > > > So what you are saying is that yer just a big pussy? ;-) But I see > what you are saying though. Personally, think things like prog and > metal far more in the geek's club category than boy's club. Right in > there with super-hero comics, war games, and fantasy baseball. They do > tend to lack female partcipation or perspective but its not completely > absent. What's interesting there (geek club) is that some geek clubs *do* have a pretty high number of female participants. I too have known lots of female Trekkies, LOTR has lots of female fans, and of course the works of Joss Whedon attract a large female contingent. Other geek categories...not so much. (I'm not a full-fledged geek, btw - this is just in my observation. But I do know a few thoroughly geeked-out folks - the geekiest of whom is a woman, so maybe that biases the numbers... Anyway, Jason, I think you're saying in a different way something similar to what I'd said earlier: that "boys clubs" come in different flavors and don't all come together for the same reasons. You're pointing at those that coalesce around certain shared interests, and which tend to get thought of as "geeky" - but (as you point out) "geeky" is a pretty boy-heavy subset in the first place (though not, as you also acknoweldge, completely so). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:36:07 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Swiss accidentally invade Liechtenstein On 3/2/07, Michael Wells wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070302/ap_on_fe_st/mistaken_invasion > > We'll be bringing you the rest of "World's Least Likely Headlines" right > after these... You laugh - but at least now there's a chance that we've made some progress in beating back the Liechtenstein Menace. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:36:47 -0500 From: "John Irvine" Subject: Prog, Lynch Prog: The older I get, the more I realize that genres just don't matter to me. There's stuf I like in almost all - prog, power-pop, ska, soul, rap, metal, yacht rock, punk, gypsy jazz. Pretty much everything except American Idol melismatics, Kenny-G jazz, and contemporary polka. That said, about 98% of everything in all genres is crap. It's more about the quality of the whole - melody, performance, wit, etc. If it sounds good it is good. And without devolving into "Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance" definitional electro-shock, I'd say it comes down to quality (and skill) far more than genre. This is also why I get nothing from most music criticism - genre is the crutch of the lazy critic, who is all about genre and name dropping. It's a hoot to read old reviews of "Can of Bees" calling it beefhreartian, prog-metal, psychedelic, etc, while missing the wit and insane catchiness of Hitchcocks tunes. In terms of prog, one could call Stereolab a prog/krautrock rip-off band, except that IMHO they make music that's far more interesting than any of the bands they are referencing/ripping. Sort of the exact opposite of all the bands ripping off the Buzzcocks formula, who all pretty much don't get it and are 98%ers. The latest Decembrists has some proggy bits on it too (to complete the thread circle.) "BTW, just saw an article in the NYT Fashion Magazine about David Lynch and was surprised to find the Twin Peaks' conventions described as "by all reports, is disproportionately male." But unsurprised as that seems to be the way of my interests." All I know is that I loved Mullholland Drive, and my wife hated it - accusing me of only digging it for the lesbian scenes. I swore it was not true, but it makes you wonder. There's a lot of male fantasy in his work. And there's something kinda sexy about dwarves.. - -John http://www.thejennifers.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:20:16 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Why can't Johnny like prog? >> Wow. So I suppose classical music and jazz are borderline *infantile,* eh? > > No, because they aren't self-ghettoizing in their subject matter. You were not talking about subject matter. You were talking strictly about the ratio of male to female musicians, and by my own extension to classical, composers. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:01:26 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Prog, Lynch John wrote: >In terms of prog, one could call Stereolab a prog/krautrock rip-off band, except that IMHO they make music that's far more interesting than any of the bands they are referencing/ripping. Sort of the exact opposite of all the bands ripping off the Buzzcocks formula, who all pretty much don't get it and are 98%ers. The latest Decembrists has some proggy bits on it too (to complete the thread circle.) Stereolab were certainly influenced by the krautrock band Neu! However I would never call Stereolab more interesting or influential as Neu! Especially side two of Neu! 75, which was a primmer for much of the punk bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band to be. Which is not to say that I don't love Stereolab, I just think your underestimating Neu! MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:04:19 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch John Irvine says: > All I know is that I loved Mullholland Drive, and my wife hated it - > accusing me of only digging it for the lesbian scenes. I swore it was > not true, but it makes you wonder. There's a lot of male fantasy in > his work. And there's something kinda sexy about dwarves.. That Rita was way too "womanly" for my tastes. My God, she could hurt someone with those. Maleness and femaleness aside, that scene with Naomi Watts masturbating on the couch is to me one of the most disturbingly memorable images of a female's alone time. I definitely feel like Lynch gives a view into a male psyche. He presents interesting view of the underworld. It always has slight variations except that it's pretty much a given that the women of the underworld are still and topless. I am not sure if you are kidding about dwarves, but if not, please explain. One of my best friends once went to rent "Blue Velvet". He couldn't find it as he was looking in the comedy section. I don't know how relevant it is that it that he is gay except that it seems to point to a common love in the gay community of things rather over-the-top (a definite quality to Lynch's work.) xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:14:10 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: women in progness, lucifer in frognal > From: "David Stovall" > Subject: RE: progness > Henry Cow would have added Dagmar Krause I've been a fan of Krause for years, so Joanna Newsom's voice never bothered me. In fact, I think Krause is far more freaky than Newsom, especially during her Art Bear moments. I adore Slapp Happy, and if that band doesn't have a Prog pedigree, I don't know who does. But there music sure is poppy. So, is Slapp Happy Prog? Newsom did say in an interview that one of her favorite bands to dance to is the Silver Apples, which instantly made her one of the coolest women on the planet for me. Don't know if that makes her Prog, however. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:27:23 -0500 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Lately Hi All, The digests are flying into my in-box so fast I can hardly keep up. I too have pneumonia and while recuperating it's been fun to read the list lately, what with the John Cale and Elvis Costello chat. Seeing other females here is also a big plus for me! I downloaded Sufjan Stevens because it was a name I'd seen but had no clue about. Oh and last night I rented the movie Stranger Than Fiction - loved it. Hope you enjoyed your stay in British Columbia Stewart! Wish we could have connected but I rarely make it over to the mainland, you get very island-bound when you live in Victoria. best from Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:40:36 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch On 3/2/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Stereolab were certainly influenced by the krautrock band Neu! However I > would never call Stereolab more interesting or influential as Neu! > Especially side two of Neu! 75, which was a primmer for much of the punk > bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band > to be. Which is not to say that I don't love Stereolab, I just think > your underestimating Neu! When I finally heard Neu! after reading about them for years, I really lost a lot of my respect for Stereolab, the influence was so blatant. I regained a lot of it later on when I got a little more into the original "space age pop" records and came to view Stereolab as a fusion of two (or more, really) sounds that would've probably been judged antithetical in their respective eras, but it really was a stunning moment. Perhaps like a She Wants Revenge fan hearing Bauhaus for the first time? Anyways, I don't find Stereolab especially better than their influences, but an interesting summation of them that sounds unlikely on the surface but turns out to be so naturaly that they don't have to change much from album to album... which can be both good and bad in the long run. - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:43:05 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Lately On 3/2/07, Barbara Soutar wrote: > > Hi All, > > The digests are flying into my in-box so fast I can hardly keep up. I > too have pneumonia Oh, criminy! Take it easy and get better soon. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:43:45 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Prog, Lynch >which was a primmer for much of the punk bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band I meant to say late 70's. Sorry! MJB _____ From: Rex [mailto:spottedeagleray@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:41 PM To: Bachman, Michael Cc: John Irvine; fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch On 3/2/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: Stereolab were certainly influenced by the krautrock band Neu! However I would never call Stereolab more interesting or influential as Neu! Especially side two of Neu! 75, which was a primmer for much of the punk bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band to be. Which is not to say that I don't love Stereolab, I just think your underestimating Neu! When I finally heard Neu! after reading about them for years, I really lost a lot of my respect for Stereolab, the influence was so blatant. I regained a lot of it later on when I got a little more into the original "space age pop" records and came to view Stereolab as a fusion of two (or more, really) sounds that would've probably been judged antithetical in their respective eras, but it really was a stunning moment. Perhaps like a She Wants Revenge fan hearing Bauhaus for the first time? Anyways, I don't find Stereolab especially better than their influences, but an interesting summation of them that sounds unlikely on the surface but turns out to be so naturaly that they don't have to change much from album to album... which can be both good and bad in the long run. - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: metal It is no longer possible to discuss heavy metal without mentioning Dethklok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhXw3_MycdY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdMzJsGcODU - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:26:17 -0600 From: Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #76 Fuck me. I'm gone for four years, and when I get back, The Quail is goin' downtown! Things never change. Hi all. - -Doc This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:55:21 -0800 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #76 Ed (Doc?)! My god, it's been years. Remember trying to teach me to play Ghost Ship on my shitty acoustic guitar? Wow. Them were the days. Good to see you back! On 3/2/07, e.h.doxtator@accenture.com wrote: > > Fuck me. I'm gone for four years, and when I get back, The Quail is goin' > downtown! Things never change. > > Hi all. > > -Doc > > > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, > proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any > other use of the email by you is prohibited. > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:14:32 -0500 From: "John Irvine" Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch I'll have to check out the '75 record, I'd only heard the first. But I think "Influential" and "good" are totally unrelated in terms of what I want to listen to (as opposed to writing music history) There are plenty of bands who are both (e.g. VU, Charlie Parker, Buzzcocks), but there are also those who to some degree were derivative but just did it better in terms of the quality of the songs. I'd include maybe Dylan and Stereolab on that list. I also like the Chocolate Watchband ripoffs more than a lot of the Stones' originals. And I'd rather listen to the Cynics RnR than a lot of the Seeds/garage stuff they were copping. - -J > On 3/2/07, Bachman, Michael > wrote: > > Stereolab were certainly influenced by the krautrock band Neu! However I > > would never call Stereolab more interesting or influential as Neu! > > Especially side two of Neu! 75, which was a primmer for much of the punk > > bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band > > to be. Which is not to say that I don't love Stereolab, I just think > > your underestimating Neu! > > > When I finally heard Neu! after reading about them for years, I really lost > a lot of my respect for Stereolab, the influence was so blatant. I regained > a lot of it later on when I got a little more into the original "space age > pop" records and came to view Stereolab as a fusion of two (or more, really) > sounds that would've probably been judged antithetical in their respective > eras, but it really was a stunning moment. Perhaps like a She Wants Revenge > fan hearing Bauhaus for the first time? Anyways, I don't find Stereolab > especially better than their influences, but an interesting summation of > them that sounds unlikely on the surface but turns out to be so naturaly > that they don't have to change much from album to album... which can be both > good and bad in the long run. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:18:17 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: metal ribs Chris: > It is no longer possible to discuss heavy metal without mentioning Dethklok. Wouldn't you say they're prog? Miles: > Whoa, better than Le Rendezvous in the dry ribs category? They'd have to be pretty spectacular then. Not a huge fan of the dry-only ribs, it's got to be the holy trinity for me: smoke, rub *and* sauce. While visiting San Antonio we went out to a place east of downtown that - like most south Texas BBQ, maybe you can back me up on this, Gene - was smoked and rubbed only. Sauce was on the table if you wanted it at all. The sausage was fine but the brisket and ribs didn't really do that much for me. The Salt Lick, on the other hand...long smoke, a piquant rub, the absolutely perfect sauce that's not too sweet and just a hint of bite, plenty of lemonade...getting...hungry... My sister-in-law called from Austin last night, they got a rental car and are heading out to The Salt Lick tonight. Bastards. I managed to get them to agree to send me a bottle of sauce and email a picture of their plates. I loves me some fine Q. Michael Licking sauce from gout-riddled fingers division P.s. welcome back, Doc! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:26:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch On 3/2/07, John Irvine wrote: > > I'll have to check out the '75 record, I'd only heard the first. > > But I think "Influential" and "good" are totally unrelated in terms of > what I want to listen to (as opposed to writing music history) Ah, well, then, you must be one of them there... whatchacall 'em... "well-adjusted, self-aware human beings" I keep hearing about. I also like the Chocolate Watchband > ripoffs more than a lot of the Stones' originals. And I'd rather > listen to the Cynics RnR than a lot of the Seeds/garage stuff they > were copping. It does happen sometimes. Without the possibility of improving on one's influences, anyway, we'd have to assume that the first song ever written was, in fact, the best one ever, and we've been wasting our time ever since. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:48:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Prog, Lynch On 3/2/07, Rex wrote: > > On 3/2/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > > Stereolab were certainly influenced by the krautrock band Neu! However I > > would never call Stereolab more interesting or influential as Neu! > > Especially side two of Neu! 75, which was a primmer for much of the punk > > bands of the late 80's and as interesting as you could every want a band > > to be. Which is not to say that I don't love Stereolab, I just think > > your underestimating Neu! > > > When I finally heard Neu! after reading about them for years, I really > lost > a lot of my respect for Stereolab, the influence was so blatant. I > regained > a lot of it later on when I got a little more into the original "space age > pop" records and came to view Stereolab as a fusion of two (or more, > really) > sounds that would've probably been judged antithetical in their respective > eras, but it really was a stunning moment. > I think the thing about Stereolab is that people think all their songs sound the same - until they play one from the first album and then one from the most recent album and realize they're totally different. To me they're quintessentially postmodern (there's yr pull-quote) in that they do quite blatantly steal (as Rex observes) at the same time as they meld together genres that would seem to have little to do with one another (VU-style rock with easy listening; Brazilian pop with electronic noise textures; Krautrock motorik beats with Beach Boys orchestrations). And as I said, over the course of their career their music has constantly evolved, but incrementally, almost as if by formula and successive addition and subtraction: Album 1 - ingredients a, b, c, and d; Album 2 - ingredients b, c, d, and e; Album 3 - ingredients c, d, e, and f; etc. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:49:39 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: metal ribs Damn you - you're making me hungry! On 3/2/07, Michael Wells wrote: > > Chris: > > It is no longer possible to discuss heavy metal without mentioning > Dethklok. > > > Wouldn't you say they're prog? > > > Miles: > > Whoa, better than Le Rendezvous in the dry ribs category? They'd have > to be pretty spectacular then. > > > Not a huge fan of the dry-only ribs, it's got to be the holy trinity for > me: smoke, rub *and* sauce. While visiting San Antonio we went out to a > place east of downtown that - like most south Texas BBQ, maybe you can > back me up on this, Gene - was smoked and rubbed only. Sauce was on the > table if you wanted it at all. The sausage was fine but the brisket and > ribs didn't really do that much for me. The Salt Lick, on the other > hand...long smoke, a piquant rub, the absolutely perfect sauce that's > not too sweet and just a hint of bite, plenty of > lemonade...getting...hungry... > > My sister-in-law called from Austin last night, they got a rental car > and are heading out to The Salt Lick tonight. Bastards. I managed to get > them to agree to send me a bottle of sauce and email a picture of their > plates. I loves me some fine Q. > > Michael > Licking sauce from gout-riddled fingers division > > P.s. welcome back, Doc! > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:59:43 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Prog On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Rex wrote: > When I finally heard Neu! after reading about them for years, I > really lost > a lot of my respect for Stereolab, the influence was so blatant. I > regained > a lot of it later on when I got a little more into the original > "space age > pop" records and came to view Stereolab as a fusion of two (or > more, really) > sounds that would've probably been judged antithetical in their > respective > eras, but it really was a stunning moment. Perhaps like a She > Wants Revenge > fan hearing Bauhaus for the first time? Anyways, I don't find > Stereolab > especially better than their influences, but an interesting > summation of > them that sounds unlikely on the surface but turns out to be so > naturaly > that they don't have to change much from album to album... which > can be both > good and bad in the long run. There are lifted Soft Machine riffs in Stereolab songs. I'm sure it's an homage. Prog, via Amazon - Acquire the Taste for Unanimous Classic Prog I Acquire the Taste for Unanimous Classic Prog II - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:01:18 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: NPR's Ode to Metal "Heavy Metal Fans Are NPR Listeners Too." From All Things Considered, 25 Feb. 2007. I was actually planning to post this on Monday, but forgot until the recent prog/metal discussion jogged my memory. - --Chris np: Tori Amos, Little Earthquakes ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #77 *******************************