From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #73 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 28 2007 Volume 16 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Day They Ate Brick [Tom Clark ] Top 5 from The Little Hands of Concrete for this week [Jeff Dwarf ] costello show [mike hooker ] Re: BBQ trolleybus uptake ["Miles Goosens" ] re: the lives of others [ken ostrander ] Re: allmusic.com mention [ken ostrander ] re: fellow fegs ! [ken ostrander ] Re: oscar time ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: blushing deep crimson/The Lives of Others [craigie* ] Re: Little Hands of Concrete [craigie* ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #72 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:03:27 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Day They Ate Brick On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > http://powerpoplovers.blogspot.com/2007/02/soft-boys-legendary- > radar-sessions-1979.html > > THE SOFT BOYS - THE LEGENDARY RADAR SESSIONS (1979) > > > So, after you download the file, how do you crack it open and get > the tracks? > They are in "rar" archive format. I use the freeware UnRarX on Mac OS X. I took the liberty of posting a .zip archive, if that would make it easier for all y'all: http://homepage.mac.com/tclark/FileSharing11.html - -tc, in the parlance of our times... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Top 5 from The Little Hands of Concrete for this week 1) Riot Act 2) Beyond Belief 3) Lipstick Vogue 4) Brilliant Mistake 5) Uncomplicated "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:28:11 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #71 On 2/27/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > Probably because of some weird teenage associations, I tend to stay > away from bands labelled "psychedelic" (I had a little but > long-lasting revolt against music I liked for a time). For a long > time, I didn't know Robyn's work got that label, and even when I found > that it did, I never quite understood why. The lyrics certainly seem > based in psychedelia, but I think musically I just don't hear things > as other people seem to. I think that things like jangly, melodic, un-bluesy guitar lines, dense harmonies, occasional Eastern or traditional folk-based melodies, as well as the basic non-metal, non-punk rock-band setup, all evoke the original "psychedelic" bands because they were the first place all of those elements met up. RH often produces music that fits the bill. The basic psych sound need not have ridiculous sound-effects or inane drug lyrics or anything, although that sure did happen plenty, and is primarily what people remember about those bands. > Another label that I don't really get is "paisley underground." The > Dream Syndicate in particular seems like a fairly straightforward > guitar rock band. I'm not sure what is either paisley or underground > about them. Kind of similarly, I think that that by being straightforward guitar bands in a heavily synthy age, the PU bands (gawd, there's a lousy abbreviation for you) were de facto "underground" bands, and retro to a certain point, making no secret of their effection for the '60's guitar sound... remember, in the '80's, if you weren't new wave or metal and you had guitars, you were supposed to be all heartland-y, right? So if you were a melodic guitar band that didn't fit that mold, you'd get compared to the only obvious stylistic antecent, the British Invasion and subsequent psych bands. Also, a lot of the people in the bands wore paisley shirts and shit. Since there have been two or three subsequent movements of similar music, you're not stuck with that label any more. You're like as not going to be compared to the Paisley bands themselves, the wider realm of '80's college rock or postpunk, or shoegazers, cool Kiwi bands, or (eek) Britpop... I'm satisfied when my band gets compared to any of that stuff; it's a little less ghettoizing than the "psych" tag (although god knows there's a lot of original psych in our psac of influences). I think you can also see from the cover songs that both Robyn and the Paisley bands did that they're not too shy about their roots in that stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:45:49 -0500 From: mike hooker Subject: costello show i've seen elvis costello many times, in many of his different " configurations" . i think it was 2 summers ago, he did central park with emmylou harris. its was about 90 degrees at nite, the humidity was 1 % short of rain. he wore a suit and played his ass off. at the end of each song , he would extend his arm straight out and down , and i swear , a gallon or so of sweat would pour out the end of the sleeve like a fire hose. disgusting, and amazing. he puts a lot of younger guys to shame. the guy who wrote angels in america ( tony kushner?) said if he ever did a show with music, costello is the guy he would want to do it with. high praise. have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:44:45 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: BBQ trolleybus uptake On 2/26/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: >I do know a little bit about ribs though, and The Montgomery > Inn Ribs from Cincinnati rank real high in most peoples rib lists. I'd > had them a dozen times or so over the years. I've had those and thought they were good enough, but I didn't think they were noteworthy or anything. Certainly better than I expected north of the Mason-Dixon line. Marc Alberts: >When in Seattle I highly recommend The Frontier Room for ribs. I've eaten >ribs in TN, TX, GA, FL, and SC, and these are the best ribs I've ever had. >They do a dry rub, so skip it if you only like wet BBQ. Compared to places >like The Rendezvous in Memphis, however, we've got the best ones. Whoa, better than Le Rendezvous in the dry ribs category? They'd have to be pretty spectacular then. This I gotta try if I ever get back to Seattle. But another meal at Etta's will be on that trip agenda first. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: the lives of others >Some might argue that capitalism is really about individual rights, and >socialism is about the good of the collective, and it's *all* about people.< good point. so much of this is open to interpretation and individual whim. how many different kinds of socialism are there? anyway, it is all about the people. capital is just an idea. money only has the value that we give it. my point was that the names are very telling about what the primary motivation seems to be. of course, you can call anything you like 'socialism'; but it ain't necessarily so. in my mind, "working at that which he is naturally best suited"; "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"; and "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are not mutually exclusive. in my utopia, people do what they love and take care of each other. >>Structurally, the problem seems to be that much of what people tend to value in society does not seem inherently profit-generating, or supportable within the process of making a profit.<< hence, the hypnotic advertisements and the addictive food additives and products designed with a sort of pre-programmed obsolecence so that we will have to come back for more. seeds are genetically engineered to grow plants that will not produce more seeds. >I vote widespread sociopathology.< who's counting the ballots? and if that's true, how do we turn it around? ken "the bastards that destroy our lives are sometimes just ourselves" the kenster - --------------------------------- Food fight? 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Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: Re: allmusic.com mention >> >perhaps that put in motion my love of the english boys< >> >> beatles, police, and duran did that for me. > >which of the durans? double duran (pronounced "juran juran"). or maybe your wondering which d2 boyfriend i would have a la moldy peaches. well, i was alway partial to the inimitable (though i tried) simon le bon. >But after B&C it was kind of downhill...< more of a rollercoaster ride. i think he's on a winning streak right now. i haven't heard his classical score to a midsummer night's dream; but you have to go back before 'all this useless beauty' to find a real stinker. >philosophy and logic are a little dangerous...it's kind of easy to >lose the thread. but perhaps the danger is part of what makes it >interesting.< sometimes it seems like there is a lot of overlap between the two; but philosophy is so much more slippery. kirk and spock fought to the death once; but spock was in heat. ken "how did you get so unwinding?" the kenster - --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: fellow fegs ! >> yes, as in there is no one separating you. > >Yes! Thank god! Validation at last! I can die happy. Well, if I died two >minutes from now, anyway. The euphoria will probably wear off at some point.< probably when you realize that the whole thing is an intellectual exercise. unless you feel connected, it doesn't really matter. >I don't even wanna tell you how recently I learned what "All Mod Cons" >really meant. Mortifying.< i think i finally understood when i saw 'trainspotting'. >>> What's up with the list lately - so busy, so interesting, so many posts...! >> >> It's 'cos me and Viv are back! > >Feg female power makes everything better!< i think the ladies can save the planet. except the mannish ones. the feminine principles need to be awakened to bring us back from the brink. >>>I should probably know better than to be sharing such weaknesses on an internet mailing list, but I am, after all, only here for your amusement.<<< > At least it's reciprocal...<< we're turning each other into sideshows. >> But that will interfere with *my* plans to start a postmodernist, >>gender- and sexuality-deconstructing act called "Eros Myth"... > >You know what? I defer to your band. That's too cool. > >Or perhaps we could join forces and be Aero Smith and the Eros Myth...? >Aero could be a Ziggy Stardust-type androgyne, and the Eros Myth his backing >band of cross-dressing Greek gods.<<< is there any other kind? make sure there's plenty of hankerchiefs. and glitter. >>>Someone should invent a laptop-holder that could be placed conveniently in front of a person so they can be lazy in their recliner and not have to prop the laptop on their knees...).<<< there are chairs like this with the little tray that folds out. of course, they are way too expensive for the average joe. >>most of this stuff is just either of shit quality or takes forever to buffer, and comes up in a tiny window, and it just doesn't feel like an art or entertainment experience that way... << that's why this movie download thing is not working. it just jams up your computer. >>>So a weird aspect of copyright law apparently is this: you can cover an artist's entire song, and so long as royalties are paid etc., the artist can't stop you...but you can't do just *part* of an artist's song?<<< there are plenty of cases where i've seen this. i'm guessing that they all got special permission or else there would be a cease and desist. >>ukelele covers and novelty do go together... and sometimes, if you're lucky, they reach the point where they work both as novelty parody and as "real" covers, such as the astonishing The Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain version of "Should I stay or should i go?"<< i've always loved israel kamakawiwo'ole's medley of "somewhere over the rainbow / what a wonderful world". >>>It occurs to me, btw, that we've sorta switched places: I'm actually making an argument similar to the one you were making a few weeks ago about intuition, science, etc. - whereas I'm saying, no, the numbers can't tell the whole story...or at least, they shouldn't *lead* the story...O what a wangled veg we tease...<<< i knew you'd eventually come around. ;^) ken "i'm a willow bending in your mind" the kenster - --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:46:47 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: oscar time ken ostrander says: > >>>I am still pissed off at Darren > Aronofsky for "Requiem for a Dream." God, I hated that movie and > people talk about it like it was God's gift to...shit I don't even > know but they act like it was quite brilliant at whatever they thought > it was brilliant about.<<< > > at showing the downward spiral of addiction? oh, i wouldn't know where to start....but i would know pretty much where to finish. i went to see to that on a lovely afternoon the day after it opened...hell, i love a movie about beautiful drug addicts as much as the next day, and i really liked (the movie) pi, so i was all excited. when no one's with me, i like to sit practically inside the screen and i sat in the third row for that one. looking back on it, i don't know why i didn't leave the theatre, but by the end of the movie i was rather distraught. i mean, i know bad things happen to good drug addicts, but that movie really hit the ball out of the park. lynching, amputation, mental hospitals, double-headed dildos. in part i'm just guessing because i closed my eyes pretty much the last half hour. i'm even fairly anesthetized these days. i don't know - what did that movie tell me? when i left the theatre, i felt like shit, suspecting people of a whole lot more ugliness than i usually do. i don't know, i might just be the wrong kind of audience for "requiem". my fight is against my own cynicism. i don't need any confirmation that my dark fears are justified, and even if i did, i would want it from the news where it would be a possibly verifiable fear and not some fucking over-the-top filmmaker stuffing images down my throat. again, my fault for overstaying. and anyway, that title. please. what exactly was 'the dream'? starting a boutique? or just stealing better televisions? let me know if you need more details. i can go on some more about this. really i'm just getting started. > >>>my Mom just rented "After > Hours" and we had fun watching up - it held up fairly well. <<< > > my favorite of marty's flicks. i love that one...i love 'taxi driver' as well. > > >> And, uh, what exactly was Grandpa teaching the kid behind closed doors? > > > >It was a bit icky, yes, but nowhere near as icky as the rest of the > >Junior Pageant scene. The ending was a little dance-movie formulaic "we > >lost but we won".<< > > haven't seen too many dance movies. it's sort of the reverse of 'saturday night fever'. anyway, should anyone be suprised that arkin's character would come up with that? even more "icky" is the way the rest of the girls didn't look like girls at all. it was like tryouts for the pussycat dolls. > it was rather appalling - i mean the daughter's doing some even-more-disturbing-than-the-usual-10-year-old's varaiation of was that a strip tease to rick james??? > >Hopefully he's being serious. Helen's a babe. < > > amy remarked, "for an older lady she certainly has an ample bossum." ha. ha. helen's a babe. > at one point during marty's acceptance speech, clint's wife (not realizing that she was on camera) reached over to his crotch. to like console him? xo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:47:01 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: blushing deep crimson/The Lives of Others I had a moment like that recently whilst re-listening to Vivian Stanshall's BBC Radio Sessions for Sir Henry At Rawlinson End... "Florrie turned a cold eye towards him. Normally, he didn't like Arabic Food, but this time he was so excited he managed to keep it down..." After twenty years I finally got the joke... c* On 26/02/07, vivien lyon wrote: > > On 2/24/07, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > > Viv wrote: > > > > > > "So, I'm listening to Senses Working Overtime, and had a very > > > odd moment when I realized that the line "and all the world is > > > football-shaped" used to confuse me.... because I'd been > > > thinking of an american football, which the world is not in fact > shaped > > > like. ONLY THIS MORNING did I consciously." > > > > It's also "biscuit-shaped", which I assume refers not to the vaguely > > scone-like lumps of baked dough we see at breakfast and fried-chicken > > restaurants, but to the flat circular thing we call a "cookie". > > > > "Some English MC's get it twisted, start sayin' cookies, instead of > biscuits!" -so saith Lady Sovereign > > Anyway, yes, most of the time I like it when something that was previously > confusing spontaneously becomes clear, but when it's something really > _simple_, it makes me feel simple. Which, uh, I don't like all much. > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:56:04 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Wheel of Fortune It's ironic really. EC blocked Frank Sidebottom from releasing a version of Oliver's Army using much the same copyright reason. (I do have Frank's version though...) Thank you. c* On 26/02/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > So a weird aspect of copyright law apparently is this: you can > > cover an artist's entire song, and so long as royalties are paid > > etc., the artist can't stop you...but you can't do just *part* of > > an artist's song? Or did Costello not want to bill the song as a > > medley and/or include Prince in the composer's credit? > > The liner notes on the re-issued ATUB make it fairly clear it's the > former. > > > > Because if not for that last bit, why *not* just do it > > and bill it that way: you're covering a song, but not all of it, > > but you're incorporating it as a medley in one of your own songs. > > > > If that's prohibited w/o permission but covering isn't, that's > > mighty strange... > > That seems to be the case, and yeah, it is. My amateur understanding > is you can't even really change lyrics without permission, which is > why Graham Gouldman could supposedly hold up [the] Pixies release > their Spanish language version of "Evil Hearted You" until they > corrected some of the grammar to his satisfaction. > > It seems like a lot of the problem is that when sampling started, > rather than being pro-active and establishing some basic guideline > rates, like they do for cover songs, so you end up with this > hodgepodge of idiocy. > > "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have > any." -- Keith Olbermann > > "So this is what it's come to, these millions of years of evolution, > warfare, community-building, women dying in childbirth with hope because > their children might achieve more: a video on the Internet of a cat watching > a video of a cat on the Internet." -- "Sylvar" > . > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:01:54 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Little Hands of Concrete On 27/02/07, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 26 2007 Volume 16 : Number 070 >* Oh yes, I saw the 'Wheel of Fortune' too. Probably the last Costello >show I ever went to. I remember Sean French writing a brilliant column >in the New Statesman about how audiences all go crazy for songs from >one short period in an artiste's career, and I felt that he was getting >towards that stage. I also saw a ropey show at Glastonbury where he >played for hours with a beatbox before bringing on the Attractions from >behind a sheet and then going on for hours more. I went home in the end >to the strains of one of the songs from 'Blood and Chocolate'. [Of >course none of this is connected with the fact that my ex-girlfriend >left with all the Costello LPs (sic) under her arm...] I have a recording of that Glastonbury gig too... don't suppose you want a copy? ;-) >Best shows I ever saw were the first time I saw him on the Stiffs Live >Stiffs tour, the Dominion 'Armed Forces' concert, and the one where he >was supported by Richard Hell and the Voidoids. The 'Almost Blue' show >was notable only for the fact that I had never seen James Burton >before. He is a legendary name in the UK as having provided the solo on >'Hello Mary Lou' by Ricky Nelson which apparently influenced virtually >all those Beck - Page - Clapton - Albert Lee - Richie Blackmore >generation of guitar players. SLS tour was a very hit and miss affair, with some nights being spot on, and others so-so... I saw Armed Forces w/ Hell (and John Cooper-Clarke) and it was a great tour... despite (or maybe *because* of ?) the alleged alcohol/drug intake... The Confederates shows with James Burton were uniformly excellent. Sucha great band all round, and a wonderful setlist. EC's take on Buddy Holly's True Love ways still makes me shudder. >PS I'm still not quite sure why people don't like Katrina and the Waves >'Walking on Sunshine' (mind you, I'm in a Tony Burrows phase...) It's just *too* sweet. And I'm a bit too old for sweets, these days. - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:19:56 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #72 >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:16:53 -0500 >From: "Lauren Elizabeth" >Subject: Re: Beyond Belief > >xo >Lauren, wondering what time it is in New Zealand you're at -5, at the moment we're at +13 (still on summer time), so we're 18 hours ahead. You must be on the east coast of the US somewhere. When you sent that message it would have been 7.16 am the next day here. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #73 *******************************