From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #42 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, February 10 2007 Volume 16 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Step aside, Peter Green [Rex ] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Step aside, Peter Green [Tom Clark ] Re: Moviemaniax ["Gene Hopstetter Jr." ] Re: Step aside, Peter Green [Rex ] Re: Spellchecker surrealism [xx ] Re: Solos [Tom Clark ] Last.fm [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Step aside, Peter Green [2fs ] Re: Spellchecker surrealism [2fs ] Re: Solos [2fs ] Re: Solos [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Robyn & the Decemberists ["m swedene" ] Re: Robyn & the Decemberists [Tom Clark ] Re: Solos [2fs ] RE: Solos ["michael wells" ] RE: Solos [Dolph Chaney ] RE: Solos [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Moviemaniax [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: That's enough guitars (ed.) [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] re: the truth is framed with lies [ken ostrander ] fishbowl honey [ken ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:32:53 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Step aside, Peter Green On 2/9/07, Michael Wells wrote: > > > Re guitarisms: I was interested in MRG's earlier definition of a good > solo, finding myself in general agreement with his criteria...after > putting a bit of thought into it, it seems like my all-time faves > matched up pretty well. > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > Fight the Good Fight (Triumph - Rik Emmett) > Rock and Roll (Zep - Jimmy Page) > Aqualung (Jethro Tull - Martin Barre) > Just about anything by Les Paul > Wabash Cannonball (Doyle Dykes version) > All Along the Watchtower (Hendrix) > Tightrope (Stevie Ray Vaughan) > I Don't Know (Ozzy - Randy Rhoades) > Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd - David Gilmour) I don't think there's any way could I create a list like this, since the kind of solos we're talking about-- at least the kind I get the impression we're talking about-- are improvisational in nature and change each time a song is performed. Perhaps I could list my favorite "original as recorded" or "studio" solos, but even that would be tough. My tendency is to believe that the best iteration of a guitar solo, or (especially) lead vocal, or whatever, is more likely to occur when the artist has had more time to explore and "get to know" the song in question than the first time out of the box. Of course, it probably also occurs before the song becomes a boring, rote, autopilot exercise for the artist, so who knows. There are a lot of variables-- some solos are written to be played the same way each time of course, and sometimes the take closest to the spark of inspiration might be the purest. I just tend to think of songs as things which evolve with each performance, and while the initial studio version of a song might be "definitive" in that it's usually the first one everybody hears, and the most frequently heard thereafter, it's sometimes left in the dust by subsequent versions. Almost anyone who's been in a band that's recorded material early on has probably had the experience of revisiting early recordings and thinking, man, we ended up playing that so much better 2/3rds of the way through the tour... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Hank Bauer http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2760359 "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:38:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Step aside, Peter Green On Feb 9, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > The Rolling Stone arrived to-day and it tells me that your Mr. Plant > and Mr.Page may get the boot by none only than Mr. John Mayer, only > one of the New Gods of Guitar: I always dismissed Mayer as just another MOR artist until I heard he was doing that trio thing with Steve Jordan and Pino Palladino(?). The second coming of Stevie Ray Vaughn perhaps? Then I saw them on a DirecTV free concert. Holy shit - if anybody can suck the life out of a blues riff, it's John Mayer. He plays all the right notes and makes all the right faces, but much like Oakland, there's no "there" there. Ugh, and now we have to endure him coming on stage at every MacWorld and sucking the life out of Steve's keynotes too! Stop me before I kill again, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:41:21 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: Moviemaniax > From: Rex > Subject: Re: Moviemaniax > > On 2/9/07, 2fs wrote: >> >> On 2/9/07, Rex wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not a giant fan of "Amelie" (although it's enjoyable) >> >> >> I collect large-scale fans. >> >> I guess that makes me a giant fan of giant fans. > > > I'm a fairly large fan of Giant Sand... and Howe! ... it's true. There's Sno Angel Like You. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:47:44 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Step aside, Peter Green On 2/9/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > > > If the Wikipedia entry is correct, Lifeson did something for the > upcoming Porcupine Tree album, Fear of a Blank Planet. Also Fripp. Although that's a funny album title, I initially read it as something which I find even funnier: "Fear of a Plaid Blanket". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: xx Subject: Re: Spellchecker surrealism I work in post-production in the entertainment industry, and my favourite spellchecker surrealism was in the closed captioning for an episode of 'er'. Instead of "aspirate", the captioning came up as "ass parade". Really. - -griffith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:51:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Solos On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > Re guitarisms: I was interested in MRG's earlier definition of a good > solo, finding myself in general agreement with his criteria...after > putting a bit of thought into it, it seems like my all-time faves > matched up pretty well. > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > Fight the Good Fight (Triumph - Rik Emmett) > Rock and Roll (Zep - Jimmy Page) > Aqualung (Jethro Tull - Martin Barre) > Just about anything by Les Paul > Wabash Cannonball (Doyle Dykes version) > All Along the Watchtower (Hendrix) > Tightrope (Stevie Ray Vaughan) > I Don't Know (Ozzy - Randy Rhoades) > Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd - David Gilmour) I often think about putting a list like this together, but the thought usually fades after the song is over. There are a lot of Steely Dan songs that fit here, be they Becker, Baxter, or Dias leads I don't know. Too many Zep songs to list, but despite it being played out, the Stairway lead is still fantastic. Speaking of "Comfortably Numb", anybody else see the Wall tour in 1980? Waters sings the beginning of the song in front of the built wall, alone. Then for the "There is no pain, you are receding..." a bright spotlight illuminates Gilmour on top of the wall, out of nowhere. Made that solo even more magical. - -t "here comes the acid flashback..." c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:16:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Last.fm I bet there's been a thread on this before that I probably skipped because at the time it didn't mean anything to me ... Anyway, a couple of months ago I discovered last.fm (these days rather lastfm.de), and now I'm hooked. Initially I was trying to listen only to "cool" music or at least to some representative sampling indicative of my taste. But now that I've got almost 2,000 songs under my belly I don't care anymore. I just listen to whatever comes to mind. I find it fascinating to see what I *actually* listen to as opposed to what I would *say* I listen to if asked. Of course the time that's passed is still way too short to be *really* a taste-o-meter, but it's a start. I actually checked out a few artists based on the recommendations I got for other music. In case anyone's interested, I'm shagedorn (I never was big on "handles"). I'd be happy to be "friends" with any other fegs that frequent the site. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:48:21 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Step aside, Peter Green On 2/9/07, Rex wrote: > > On 2/9/07, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > > > > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > > > > > > If the Wikipedia entry is correct, Lifeson did something for the > > upcoming Porcupine Tree album, Fear of a Blank Planet. Also Fripp. > > > Although that's a funny album title, I initially read it as something > which > I find even funnier: "Fear of a Plaid Blanket". As long we're goofing on PE album titles, I've always thought someone should call an album _It Takes a Nation of Gilligans..._ That's probably why I'm in no position to be titling albums. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:49:12 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Spellchecker surrealism On 2/9/07, xx wrote: > > I work in post-production in the entertainment > industry, and my favourite spellchecker surrealism was > in the closed captioning for an episode of 'er'. > Instead of "aspirate", the captioning came up as "ass > parade". I think that was Morrison's original choice for the title of the second Doors album. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:50:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Solos On 2/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > > Fight the Good Fight (Triumph - Rik Emmett) > > Rock and Roll (Zep - Jimmy Page) > > Aqualung (Jethro Tull - Martin Barre) > > Just about anything by Les Paul > > Wabash Cannonball (Doyle Dykes version) > > All Along the Watchtower (Hendrix) > > Tightrope (Stevie Ray Vaughan) > > I Don't Know (Ozzy - Randy Rhoades) > > Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd - David Gilmour) > > I often think about putting a list like this together, but the > thought usually fades after the song is over. There are a lot of > Steely Dan songs that fit here, be they Becker, Baxter, or Dias leads > I don't know. Too many Zep songs to list, but despite it being > played out, the Stairway lead is still fantastic. Ah hell - I've always been a large-scale air-mover of the long solo in the studio version of "Marquee Moon"...builds beautifully. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:29:26 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Solos - -------------- Original message -------------- From: 2fs > On 2/9/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > > > > > Limelight (Rush - Alex Lifeson) > > > Fight the Good Fight (Triumph - Rik Emmett) > > > Rock and Roll (Zep - Jimmy Page) > > > Aqualung (Jethro Tull - Martin Barre) > > > Just about anything by Les Paul > > > Wabash Cannonball (Doyle Dykes version) > > > All Along the Watchtower (Hendrix) > > > Tightrope (Stevie Ray Vaughan) > > > I Don't Know (Ozzy - Randy Rhoades) > > > Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd - David Gilmour) > > > > I often think about putting a list like this together, but the > > thought usually fades after the song is over. There are a lot of > > Steely Dan songs that fit here, be they Becker, Baxter, or Dias leads > > I don't know. Too many Zep songs to list, but despite it being > > played out, the Stairway lead is still fantastic. > > > Ah hell - I've always been a large-scale air-mover of the long solo in the > studio version of "Marquee Moon"...builds beautifully. > I'll agree with Jeff on the building power of "Marquee Moon" Here are some of my favorites, they may not be the most popular chocies, but the get me, Phoenix ( Andy Powell and Ted Turner - Wishbone Ash) Baby's On Fire (Robert Fripp - Eno's first album) Wooden Ships (Jorma Kaukonen - Jefferson Airplane) In A Different Place (Andy Bell - Ride) Walking On A Wire (Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights) Mountain Jam (Duane Allman - Allman Brothers Band) Dover Beach (Vicki Peterson - Bangles) Why Does Love Have To Be So Sad ( Eric Clapton - In Concert : Derek and the Dominoes) Come On In My Kitchen and many others (Robert Johnson) Oh Well (Peter Green - Fleetwood Mac) Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:38:24 -0500 From: "m swedene" Subject: Robyn & the Decemberists Found this: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljS_BTuJUXY Robyn Hitchcock with The Decemberists Feb 9th 2007 From Stereogum: Ok so unsurprisingly none of the London music press covered The Decemberists performance at the Shepherds Bush Empire last night. I'm not sure if it was the mid-show calisthenics or the re-enactment of the American War of Independence that kept the NME away. Maybe they were too busy coining new musical genres Either way The Decemberists London show deserves some blogging love. Not only did Colin get the Brits stretching, dancing and singing (no small feat) but he was joined onstage by Robyn Hitchcock of The Soft Boys and Mike Scott of The Waterboys for the first of their two encores. He sang along with his indie idols on Madonna of the Wasps (w/ Robyn Hitchcock) and Fisherman's Blues (w/ Mike Scott). The moment clearly moved Meloy, who had to re-compose himself before heading out for the second encore "I've just lived my teenage rock n roll fantasy/ pornography" he told the audience. www.stereogum.com Enjoy! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:53:08 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn & the Decemberists On Feb 9, 2007, at 6:38 PM, m swedene wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljS_BTuJUXY > > Robyn Hitchcock with The Decemberists Feb 9th 2007 > > From Stereogum: > > Ok so unsurprisingly none of the London music press covered The > Decemberists performance at the Shepherds Bush Empire last night. I'm > not sure if it was the mid-show calisthenics or the re-enactment of > the American War of Independence that kept the NME away. Maybe they > were too busy coining new musical genres Either way The Decemberists > London show deserves some blogging love. Not only did Colin get the > Brits stretching, dancing and singing (no small feat) but he was > joined onstage by Robyn Hitchcock of The Soft Boys and Mike Scott of > The Waterboys for the first of their two encores. He sang along with > his indie idols on Madonna of the Wasps (w/ Robyn Hitchcock) and > Fisherman's Blues (w/ Mike Scott). The moment clearly moved Meloy, who > had to re-compose himself before heading out for the second encore > "I've just lived my teenage rock n roll fantasy/ pornography" he told > the audience. > > www.stereogum.com Unfortunately the sound is out of sync, but A) Awesome for Colin and 2) Robyn looks dashing in his red scarf. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:35:00 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Solos On 2/9/07, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Baby's On Fire (Robert Fripp - Eno's first album) > > Three more favorite Fripp solos: "White Shadow" (Peter Gabriel), "Hammond Song" (The Roches), "St. Elmo's Fire" (Eno) Why Does Love Have To Be So Sad ( Eric Clapton - In Concert : Derek and the > Dominoes) > > My favorite Clapton solo is on "Little Wing." At one time I knew it note-for-note, and could pretty much play it that way (although not all that well). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:23:14 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: Solos > There are a lot of Steely Dan songs that fit here, be they Becker, Baxter, or Dias leads I don't know. That's the obvious problem with these sorts of lists, as insanely obvious choices hit you as soon as you hit "send." You could bring a case that this list is every bit the equal of the first: Kid Charlemagne (Steely Dan - Larry Carlton) Blue Sky (Allman Bros. - Dickey Betts, Duane Allman) Highway Star (Deep Purple - Ritchie Blackmore) Crossroads (Cream - Clapton) Sweet Sixteen (B.B. King) Most of Scotty Moore's career with Elvis Black Magic Woman (Santana) All of Jeff Beck's 'Truth' or 'Beck-Ola', take your pick Killer Queen (Queen - Brian May) Free Bird (Skynard - Allen Collins, Gary Rossington) And that doesn't even touch folks like Chet Atkins. > Then for the "There is no pain, you are receding..." a bright spotlight illuminates Gilmour on top of the wall Hmm, perhaps that explains Waters' "The Wall - Live in Berlin" move, where he stuck two guitars up on top like that. Another shot at Gilmour? Michael n.p. some old Lyle Lovett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:45:08 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: RE: Solos At 08:23 AM 2/10/2007, michael wells wrote: > > Then for the "There is no pain, you are receding..." a bright spotlight >illuminates Gilmour on top of the wall > >Hmm, perhaps that explains Waters' "The Wall - Live in Berlin" move, where >he stuck two guitars up on top like that. Another shot at Gilmour? YMMV, but I always took that as some kind of tribute to Gilmour -- i.e., it takes two men to replace him. Waters seems to have a knack for offending people by not being able (or willing) to explain his often-honorable intentions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:23:32 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: RE: Solos - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "michael wells" > > There are a lot of Steely Dan songs that fit here, be they Becker, Baxter, > or Dias leads I don't know. > > That's the obvious problem with these sorts of lists, as insanely obvious > choices hit you as soon as you hit "send." You could bring a case that this > list is every bit the equal of the first: > > Blue Sky (Allman Bros. - Dickey Betts, Duane Allman) One of the very, very few rare live recordings of Blue Sky with Duane and Dicky is: Allman Brothers Band - S.U.N.Y at Stonebrook, NY 9/19/71. I actually perfer it to the studio BS recording. It's double disc that takes a while for the guy at the mixing board to get things right, so the first couple of songs, Statesboro Blues and Trouble No More are better heard elsewhere. By the time Duane intro's the new song - Blue Sky, things are great though with the mixer and the Brothers are hittin' the note! Not to be missed! MJ Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:26:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Moviemaniax - -- Steve Talkowski is rumored to have mumbled on 9. Februar 2007 13:12:22 -0500 regarding Re: Moviemaniax: >> I actively disliked "Amelie" and I don't remember "Alien 4" much. > > Not much to remember, except nice art direction and that amazing computer > animated Alien creature (first time in the series) animated - along with > 4 others - by yours truly. ;) > > I had been a fan of Jeunet's until actually having to work (albeit, > indirectly) with him. He came across as the stereotypical French tyrant > - insulting, difficult to work with, walking out on conference calls, > etc. I partly attribute this to FOX being rather demanding, considering > this was his first big Hollywood film on such a (then) prestigious > franchise, but that still doesn't excuse his rude behavior. Well, my feelings regarding that movie are also influenced by Joss Whedon's role. He's the WGA script writer of record, but what ended up on the screen has very little to do with what he wrote. Of course there's no way of knowing if it would've turned out better otherwise, but I'd like to think so. Here's a quote: BE: Okay, and Ibve got one final one, and I promise this is it, but my editorbs as big a geek as I am (You wish, Pop Boy b Ed.), and he wanted to know how different was the final version of bAlien Resurrectionb when compared to your script? I mean, was it really dramatic...? JW: Uh...you know, it wasnbt a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending, it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. Therebs actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then theybd changed the script...but it wasnbt so much that theybd changed the script; itbs that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable. Reference: Hm, with Google I found this script, which claims to be Joss Whedon's: - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC: > Today's Subjects: > ----------------- > Re: science, muck, and algebra ["Lauren Elizabeth" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:28:50 -0500 > From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > Subject: Re: science, muck, and algebra > Hi List, > Well, no science or muck, a little algebra. Just to keep alive a > non-guitar thread (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!) * Sorry, Lauren. I was just trying to divert things a bit from the interminable Broome-bashing... > I was looking for a specific quote by Betrand Russell. I couldn't > find the one I was looking for, but this guy is a riot (I have no idea > why smart + observant = funny to me, but it usually does.) And hey, a > fine mathematician to boot. * Yes, but that symbolic logic is just a meta-language which doesn't solve the problem of communication. And if you took it seriously, then you would need a meta-meta-language behind that, and so on. > From: "vivien lyon" > Subject: Re: science, muck, and algebra > From an amazing New Yorker article on C.S. Lewis, Christianity and Narnia: > "An old Oxford tradition claims that Bertrand Russell, on being asked why > his concerns had turned so dramatically away from academic philosophy, > replied, with great dignity, "Because I discovered fucking." " > Now that's a quote! > (even if it's only a sentence fragment and lacks zest without context) > Here's the url for the article- I've re-read it many times, it's really > lovely. > http://www.newyorker.com/printables/critics/051121crat_atlarge * Many thanks for this, Viv! I do know a bit about the Inklings and I am always fascinated by what people think about them. My view in brief: Lewis: Interesting Ulster protestant sadist with brilliant descriptive powers. Didn't like Betjeman at all. Plagiarised E Nesbit (read the descriptions of the Queen of Babylon and Queen Jadis of Charn one after the other if you don't believe me). Tolkien: Interesting philologist and Catholic with outstanding descriptive powers. I have just realised that the idea that Lorien is "without stain" comes straight from the Catholic view of the BVM... Williams: Very bad writer with fascinating doctrine of co-inherence. Barfield: Interesting Steinerian thinker who was wasted as a solicitor. Tolkien: Interesting map-maker and better reader than Tolkien. Sayer: I tried reading what was billed as George Sayer's biography of CSL and was very disappointed to discover that it was obviously ghosted by a non-English person... Apparently JRRT cast an exorcism over Sayer's tape recorder before reciting into it... Dyson: "Not another fucking elf!" - - Mike "not a guitar in the room" Godwin PS My batty mother-in-law used to know Sayer in the forties/early fifties when he was headmaster of Malvern College. n.p. Tolkien reading in Elvish but not playing a guitar (both JRRT and CSL hated boogie-woogie but liked Donald Swann, who set some of JRRT's songs before hitting it big with "Mud Mud Glorious Mud"...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: re: the truth is framed with lies >there is no "pi" just floating free out there in the universe from http://imdb.com/title/tt0454876/ After a shipwreck, Pi is found adrift in the Pacific Ocean on a 26-foot lifeboat with a zebra, a hyena, an orangutan and a 450-pound Bengal tiger named Richard Parker, all fighting for survival. >> even within the relative certainty of mathematics, there are >> mysteries. the exact value of pi can only be approximated. > >there's no "mystery" about its value at all i'm sorry; but the fact that no one can write it all out is pretty mysterious. i've always worked with 22 divided by 7; though that is an approximation. i mean, even 'ulysses' has and end. yes. www.thebizofknowledge.com/2006/11/chinese_student_spends_one_day.html http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/index1.html and pi is transcendental. there's some wild weird stuff out there connecting pi with the capstone of the great pyramid and the star of bethlehem: http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pi.htg/pi.htm >you're making the same error pop-media versions of >postmodernism make: they confuse the claim that "language can never exactly >define anything because the structure of language is built on opposition >and/or relation (as in metaphor)" with the claim that "nothing is true." actually, what i think i'm claiming is that "everything is true". i think that truth is subjective in most folk uses of the term. who is to say that one person's experience is false? you cannot quantify someone's personal truth or even understand it sometimes. >>zero is a quantification for nothing. and then there's numerology. > >I'm not sure why the first sentence is a problem it's not a problem. it's just mysterious. ken "i can't do it anymore and i'm not satisfied" the kenster - --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:45:14 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: Re: Last.fm one time at band camp, Sebastian Hagedorn (Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de) said: >taste. But now that I've got almost 2,000 songs under my belly I don't care >anymore. I just listen to whatever comes to mind. I find it fascinating to >see what I *actually* listen to as opposed to what I would *say* I listen >to if asked. yes, indeed! the only beef i have with audioscrobbler is that it doesn't collect song names from streams. for instance, i spend most of my workday listening to wfmu, which provides song titles, etc. of course, that would really skew my charts but it would at least represent what i've been listening to more accurately. the other issue is that i listen to nearly all the stuff i download from sites like dimeadozen and etree via the computer. nearly all of that stuff is not tagged and, at least until i no longer want to share it back, i can't tag since it would alter the files and prevent them from being included in the torrent swarm. so, two large sectors of my music listening are pretty much excluded from being tracked. but other than that, yes, i'm finding that what i listen to by choice is a lot more mundane than what i think i listen to.... >In case anyone's interested, I'm shagedorn (I never was big on "handles"). >I'd be happy to be "friends" with any other fegs that frequent the site. i be wojsvenwoj on audioscrobbler. hurrah! +w ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:21:19 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: fishbowl honey my wife made a mellow mix that she uses to help lull our daughter to sleep. 'television' is the second song on it and little shuggie will sometimes sit up and repeat parts of the lyric in her sleepy stupor. "fishbowl honey" is the current fave. it sounds like it could be a whole new robyn song. i can imagine some practical pooh cat going for the gooey gold or some little guppies all sweet for each other; but mostly it reminds me of that scene in 'finding nemo' when the germophobic austin pendleton fish hits his wall ("don't you people realise we are swimming in our own...?"). this list is kind of like a dirty fishtank. we all poop out our random thoughts into the ether and sometimes directly on each other. what with the sweet distractions of fatherhood, sometimes it takes a while for me to work mine out. some old turds polished up for you: zappa burned brightly from the very beginning. for every sophomoric bit like 'why does it hurt when i pee?' there's a gem like 'watermelon in easter hay'. shut up and play your guitar some more. 'paris 1919' is my favorite solo cale. and yes. i am a casual fan. robyn should do a cover of the title track perhaps in a medley with 'the ghost in you' and 'surfer ghost'. i dig the lead balloon. especially albums four through six. when i was growing up, led zeppelin and floyd fans were the most advanced of the burn outs. there seemed to be a lot more blue oyster cult and kiss fans. there are so many guitarists and so little time: http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_newguitar.html (no robyn or peter; but syd is 180) >>... who in the living fuck can listen to Toto under any circumstances?<< >"Toto IV" is one of my guilty pleasures.< i feel that. though i haven't pulled it out in a long while. >the same thing applies to whatsisname from Boston brad delp is in the best beatles tribute band i've ever seen: beatle juice. >most metal hasn't really sounded bluesy for quite some time......there was certainly an >interrim period when metal was mostly about "Nothin' But a Good Time" and so forth< due to the volatile organic compounds that result from too much aqua net, perhaps metal in the eighties can be given significant blame for the ozone problem. it's pretty amazing that there weren't more incidents like michael jackons's pepsi burnout with all of the vinyl acetate, ammonium hydroxide, and silicones floating around in the hair. i respect and admire pearl jam for their political convictions, sticking it to ticketbastard, and the music. my favorite of their albums are 'vs' and 'vitology'; but then, who has time to check out more than eighty live albums? >The single "Who you are"< can't get enough of that song. i love the middle eastern flavorings whenever they crop up in rawk from 'love you to' to 'worlds apart'. nowadays they strike a more responsive chord. >The anti-Islam (and anti-Arab) mood you describe, though, wasn't created by 9/11 >public just never warmed up to the idea of peace and brotherhood i think that much of the public was pretty well warmed right after it happened; but the administration sought to take the militaristic approach. there was a heightened sensitivity among the american people that could have been nurtured; instead, we embraced the dark side of the force. it will be very interesting to see how the candidacy of a certain barack hussein obama will play into all of that. gotta say that his announcement speech today was inspiring. he needs to watch his back. he is a dangerous man to the powers that be. how many other candidates have won a grammy? >born without the sports gene< likewise. i am a sucker for a superb owl ass parade though. >i've finally figured out why NFL games seem to go by more quickly than they used to< not quick enough, if you ask me. >I didn't see it (because I'm not a football fan, and the whole grossly >overdone SUPER SUNDAY!!!!! shit makes my brain hurt), but apparently >that short little purple-loving fella put on a very fine show during halftime. i caught the second half of the set. seeing him play 'purple rain' in the downpour was magical even if it was the shortest version ever. i've loved him since i first heard '1999'. it's too bad that the only songs he played of his own were from an album that came out more than twenty years ago. '3121' may not be his best album; but it beats 'midnight vultures'. >I actively disliked "Amelie"< it's a choice, right? you'd rather sit through a movie and hate it than find something about it that makes it worth your while? or is that what cranks your handle? me, i enjoy enjoying myself. >>What a horrid and terrible coincidence !!!! Waaaah !......does anyone else get this fairly >>regularly or is a rare phenomenon for you ?> > >yep. i think good ol' "miller" from *Repo Man* was dead on it in re the >"lattice of coincidence". that said, it bugs hell out of me when movies >utilise coincidence in order to advance the plot. jung thought of synchronious events as "meaningful coincidences". i guess that the degree of meaning is ...subjective. can you find meaning in a plate of shrimp? > _http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=album&disp=40_ > > 77 Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 - Ole! Tarantula > points: 112(11) one of those eleven voted for this single Robyn Hitchcock (placed # 384) Underground Sun Yep Roc ken "this neat little domestic life is for me" the kenster - --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #42 *******************************