From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #39 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 7 2007 Volume 16 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Verlaine vs Lloyd ["John Irvine" ] Re: Odd News of the Day [Tom Clark ] Re: Verlaine vs Lloyd [Rex ] Re: Verlaine vs Lloyd [Rex ] Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) [Rex ] Re: The Yip Song - variations ["C Tupman" ] Re: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) ["Bri N" ] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note ["Mark P" ] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [Rex ] Re: Odd News of the Day [2fs ] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [2fs ] Re: zappa as all round general god figure and other geetar musings [Rex <] Re: Yet more guitar players [Rex ] Reap ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] In hopes of reigniting the Mucky/Lucky debate [Rex Subject: Verlaine vs Lloyd "Interestingly, those who saw Television recently tour the UK said that Lloyd was playing better than Verlaine." Lloyd has become a guitar chops god, and not in a good way. I saw them in DC a few years back and he had a tendency to play as many notes per second as possible, regardless of how it fit into the song. He came across as someone who was bored with the material. Anyone hear Veraine's latest? I heard it was quite good. - -John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:37:10 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Odd News of the Day On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Rex wrote: > >> Police allege Nowak drove 950 miles from Houston to Orlando -- >> wearing >> adult diapers so she would not have to stop to urinate > > Erm, at that distance, didn't she have to stop for gas? Why not > take that > opportunity to grab some Doritos and, like, take a piss? Everyone knows incontinent psycho-obsessive space alien brain parasites hate Doritos. They survive on Slim Jims! From TFA: "Nowak went to Orlando airport around midnight on Sunday night, waited for Shipman's flight from Houston to arrive and then followed Shipman to the parking garage armed with pepper spray, a steel mallet and a BB gun, police said." Cue up the Minus 5's "Retrieval Of You"! - -tc np: Minus 5 "Retrieval Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:42:43 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Verlaine vs Lloyd On 2/6/07, John Irvine wrote: > > "Interestingly, those who saw Television recently tour the UK said that > Lloyd was playing better than Verlaine." > > Lloyd has become a guitar chops god, and not in a good way. I saw > them in DC a few years back and he had a tendency to play as many > notes per second as possible, regardless of how it fit into the song. > He came across as someone who was bored with the material. He doesn't always do that... he does adapt to the material. His playing for the reconstituted Rocket from the Tombs barely resembles his Television stuff, and you can hear some really tasteful leads on Matthew Sweet and John Doe records. These days he sometimes zones into Verlaine's style at the best of times and overplays at others... Jimmy Ripp has been Verlaine's guitar foil at solo shows for many years and arguably complements him better than Lloyd these days. Anyone hear Veraine's latest? I heard it was quite good. It is. It would probably disappoint those who know only Television, but is in the top tier of his solo work, with a nice, timeless production sound that's very welcome considering his last solo records, although they have many virtues, date back to the late '80's and sound like it. There were actually two records, one with vocals and one without, both worth hearing. My only knock against the vocal one is song sequencing... a few tracks could have been trimmed and the rest reshuffled... but you wait sixteen years for a record, you don't complain that it's a wee bit overlong. - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:50:45 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Verlaine vs Lloyd On 2/6/07, John Irvine wrote: > > "Interestingly, those who saw Television recently tour the UK said that > Lloyd was playing better than Verlaine." Oh, and another thing.* There are Television fanatics who will stick up for Lloyd's solo albums, some rather fervently; I can't go that far. Some okay stuff, but largely pedestrian songwriting, to my tastes. For the curious, he's just reissued his "Fields of Fire" album in a double-disc, original version/mostly recreated from scratch edition. Haven't heard it. - -Rex *Yes, replying twice to the same post... I am once again "down for the count", I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:18:01 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) Previously unknown to me, featuring Matthew Seligman, Thomas Dolby, and apparently the pre-Buggles version of "Video Killed the Radio Star"... go here and scroll down to the Bruce Wooley entry. Haven't listened yet... http://powerpoplovers.blogspot.com/ - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:46:05 +0000 From: "C Tupman" Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations That's the one! Thanks to all who replied on the subject. Very excited to hear that Anton Barbeau & The New Moon are playing Oxford next week. Charlotte > >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:25:13 -0500 >From: "Lauren Elizabeth" >Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations > >Hi List, > >C Tupman says: > > Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly > > recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but >can't > > find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if it >still > > exists) that would be great. > >Wasn't sure that if by "recorded" you meant "written down" but if so, >perhaps this is the one: > >http://fucktheusa.info/robyn/yip.html > >I just came across that again about a month ago, and really enjoyed >it. I like the level of detail in it. I think it's a pretty unique >piece of writing / observation (at least from what I've read about RH >online.) > >xo >Lauren > _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:14:12 -0800 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) That link doesn't work for me. Bruce Woolley (note: 2 L's) and the Camera Club: "English Garden," as I've mentioned a few times before (haven't I??) is one of my all time favorite albums. Not sure I like Woolley's version of VKTRS better than the Buggles. I do prefer the Buggle's version of Clean Clean to The Camera Club's version. Woolley co-wrote both with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. Woolley is one of those "behind-the-scene-treasure-of-a-song-writers" that most people really don't know about. Within the last few years I've become a big fan of his writing and production. He has stuff out there dating back to 1977 and is still current (like backing vox on the last Pet Shop Boys), but really hasn't done much since the 80's sadly. I have a handful of rare singles that are just amazing. Songs like Bobby Bad, 1000 MPH, and stuff under the name Silver Spectre, RB Zipper... it's all out there and nearly impossible to find (sadly!). Oh there is a song called Trouble Is that's great. I plan on covering it. I think it should've been a #1 hit in 1980, but it went unheard! Matthew Seligman who with Tom Dolby, were both in the Camera Club as Rex mentioned, but a little known fact was that the drummer Rod, was also the drummer on Robyn's Groovy Decay. If you can find English Garden, I'd suggest picking it up. It's great. - -Nuppy - --- spottedeagleray@gmail.com wrote: From: Rex To: "Not Reg" Subject: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:18:01 -0800 Previously unknown to me, featuring Matthew Seligman, Thomas Dolby, and apparently the pre-Buggles version of "Video Killed the Radio Star"... go here and scroll down to the Bruce Wooley entry. Haven't listened yet... http://powerpoplovers.blogspot.com/ - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:50:40 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) On 2/6/07, Bri N wrote: > > > If you can find English Garden, I'd suggest picking it up. It's great. If that link worked, it'd be really easy to find (you might try googling powerpoplovers and the band name; I was just able to get right to it). I don't remember Nuppy recommending this before, but it sure did seem like something he'd know about... I'm glad to get his scoop on it! Thanks! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:01:15 -0500 From: "Mark P" Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note From: The Great Quail >> I get very sad when I think of Zappa's early death -- not because the world lost a rock god, which it did; but also because the world lost a composer who was just beginning to find his voice. Me too. I recall he did some interview thing on one of the NON music channels ...MTV, VH1, whichever ...before word broke about his cancer and he just had that *look* about him ... a few months later he was gone. He indeedily ran his shows kind of composer-like ...donned a wand at times and had a music stand and from what I always gathered through interviews, written word and such ...he ran his shows w/an iron composer-esque fist ...songs were to be played note for note, anyway. I'm enjoying all this guitar talk! >>I truly believe Zappa was a genius; the kind of musician that could excel at whatever form captured his attention. All hail the great -- >>- --Quail >>PS: Oh yeah, and Hillage ROCKS! Indeedy!! All hail the great Quail! (2) ...oh, has anybody mentioned Bill Nelson yet? I saw Be Bop back in October '77. Live! In The Air Age tour. Bill's dad had recently passed away. For "Adventures In A Yorkshire Landscape" which that night morphed into "Down On Terminal Street" ..."Adventures...." which always was one barnburner of guitar pyrotechnics, both live and Memorex ... well, Bill introduced this segue in a most moving way, reflecting back on his lower-middle class English upbringing, touching on his dad and such ... afterwards, the *dreaded* solos ... never seen Bill play w/SUCH fire as that night. We had second row center at the old Palladium on 14th Street in NYC ... Bill, us, the entire venue ...in tears. It was one of the most moving, if not THE most moving of rawk experiences yrs truly has ever experienced. I can touch on fave rock guitarists all day but I'm happy to read all about faves here. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:05:12 -0500 From: "Mark P" Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note ...guess what I was attempting to convey is FZ was almost conductor like in a live sense ...as well. I miss Zappa dearly. m ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:10:33 -0800 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Seligman / Dolby sighting (retro) Oh, I got it to open with 'cache' google... This is cool. Under the comments someone posted some mp3s you can download including Trouble Is and Bobby Bad. Well worth the hard drive space:http://putstuff.putfile.com/41985/9001834 -Nuppy On 2/6/07, Bri N wrote: If you can find English Garden, I'd suggest picking it up. It's great. If that link worked, it'd be really easy to find (you might try googling powerpoplovers and the band name; I was just able to get right to it). I don't remember Nuppy recommending this before, but it sure did seem like something he'd know about... I'm glad to get his scoop on it! Thanks! -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:24:00 -0800 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Nelson, Yukihiro Takahashi From: "Mark P" ...oh, has anybody mentioned Bill Nelson yet? I saw Be Bop back in October '77. Live! In The Air Age tour. Bill's dad had recently passed away. For "Adventures In A Yorkshire Landscape" which that night morphed into "Down On Terminal Street" ..."Adventures...." which always was one barnburner of guitar pyrotechnics, both live and Memorex ... well, Bill introduced this segue in a most moving way, reflecting back on his lower-middle class English upbringing, touching on his dad and such ... afterwards, the *dreaded* solos ... never seen Bill play w/SUCH fire as that night. We had second row center at the old Palladium on 14th Street in NYC ... Bill, us, the entire venue ...in tears. It was one of the most moving, if not THE most moving of rawk experiences yrs truly has ever experienced. - --------------------- I've been hearing Bill Nelson on some of Yukihiro Takahashi's albums which I've been listening to lately through Yukihiro's New Musik connection. Dammit. I think Yukihiro Takahashi will be another one of these artists I will just "have" to get all his albums... - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:17 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note On 2/6/07, The Great Quail wrote: > > > I truly believe Zappa was a genius; the kind of musician that could excel > at > whatever form captured his attention. I've always appreciated Zappa as a public persona, but never been moved by his work. Which I guess makes him kind of the Anti-Spike Lee* in a way. Was just chatting offlist about a completely different guitarist who is sometimes criticized for being "soulless" but doesn't strike me as such. Zappa does, though; everything I've ever heard by him strikes me as overly studious, even-- maybe especially-- the juvenile stuff. Undeniable talent and great mind, though, and a valuable statesman. - -Rex *but not the Anti-Spike Jones, per Bessy in that song by The Band-- "I can't take the way he sings, but I love to hear him talk" is fairly apt-- and not the Anti-Spike Jonze, just because they both have Z's in their names. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Former Major Leaguer Lew aka Lou Burdette http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070206&content_id=1795947&vkey=pr_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:34:18 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Odd News of the Day On 2/6/07, Rex wrote: > > > Police allege Nowak drove 950 miles from Houston to Orlando -- wearing > > adult diapers so she would not have to stop to urinate > > > Erm, at that distance, didn't she have to stop for gas? Why not take that > opportunity to grab some Doritos and, like, take a piss? > There you go, Rex - expecting rational behavior from a clearly disturbed individual. Again. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:41:50 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note On 2/6/07, The Great Quail wrote: > > >> and Zappa > >> was a frustrated classical composer > > > Zappa to my mind is one of the GREAT rock guitarists, which is one > > reason I put up with all his silly sex songs and cynicism - yes , he > > wanted to be a composer, he was influenced by various atonal > > classical bods, > > Man...you guys have got to be kidding. Zappa was not a frustrated > classical > composer, nor did he "want" to be a composer. Frank Zappa *was* a > composer, > and a damn fine one. Many people in the classical world think this, from > Pierre Boulez to the Ensemble Modern. > > I get very sad when I think of Zappa's early death -- not because the > world > lost a rock god, which it did; but also because the world lost a composer > who was just beginning to find his voice. Yep. He was always an intriguing orchestrator, but I think his earlier orchestral and small-ensemble works were a bit too plot-dependent. I think at some point he realized that he could let the *music* tell a story (if only to him) and let that sort of narrative, episodic structure shape the pieces. I do agree that his scatalogical humor got tiresome at times, especially near the end of his career when it became increasingly bitter and shot through with a bit of misogyny and homophobia - but when he wasn't content to just play dumb in the mud he wrote some wonderful stuff. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:25:51 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note On 2/6/07, 2fs wrote: > > > I do agree that his scatalogical humor got tiresome at times, especially > near the end of his career when it became increasingly bitter and shot > through with a bit of misogyny and homophobia - but when he wasn't content > to just play dumb in the mud he wrote some wonderful stuff. Yeah, it's something about that vaguely mean spirit that stops me from being all "hell yeah!" about Zappa. Same thing about Ween and a few others. For some reason, sorta gross humor feels a little more palatable to me when purveyed by people who seem less intelligent (or are less defined by their intelligence (whatever that means... think the Cramps, maybe)). On the other side of the delicate balance, I prefer it when clearly intelligent songwriters talk about the "squirmy stuff" obliquely, inventively, surrealistically even-- not even necessarily lightly; some of Robyn's biological phantasms are pretty harsh; it just seems a waste to bring such a sharp mind to bear on these subjects in ways that a kindergartner could muster. I also tend to like juvenile humor more in narrative forms (where it's part of a singular, unfolding experience, like a movie or a South Park episode) than in a song, where shock value (or obvious jokes of any stripe) seem to diminish with each listen, and there'd better be something more there if I'm gonna want to come back to it-- this again being something at which Robyn excels. - -Rex "My Guitar Wants to Hug Your Mama" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:04:11 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: robyn - village voice poll #77 _http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=album&disp=40_ (http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=album&disp=40) 77 Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 - Ole! Tarantula points: 112(11) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:53:48 +1100 (EST) From: Stony Subject: The present day composer refuses to die! >> and Zappa >> was a frustrated classical composer > Zappa to my mind is one of the GREAT rock guitarists, which is one > reason I put up with all his silly sex songs and cynicism - yes , he > wanted to be a composer, he was influenced by various atonal > classical bods, Man...you guys have got to be kidding. Zappa was not a frustrated classical composer, nor did he "want" to be a composer. Frank Zappa *was* a composer, and a damn fine one. Many people in the classical world think this, from Pierre Boulez to the Ensemble Modern. I get very sad when I think of Zappa's early death -- not because the world lost a rock god, which it did; but also because the world lost a composer who was just beginning to find his voice. I truly believe Zappa was a genius; the kind of musician that could excel at whatever form captured his attention. - - --Quail If there's one performer I could bring back from the other side, it would be Frank. The man was a genius and just starting to realize his full potential without the encumbrance of fallible human musicians (and unions). Listen to "The Yellow Shark" for an example of what really competent human performers could do with his work. I can't go on in this vein for too long or I'll start to gush. What I miss Frank for most though is his role as (in his words) a social anthropologist whose medium is audio veritae. He never pulled any punches and held the mirror up for us all to see how f**ckin' stupid we all really are as a race. I can only imagine what he'd have to say about the state of affairs today. Come to think of it, he might have been better off passing in '92 after 12 years of Republican administration. Eight years of Clinton followed by eight years of Bush probably would have caused him to die from laughter. Stony Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:56:22 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Yet more guitar players Quoting Rex : > Hell wasn't a guitarist but a bassist, and not a great one at that (although > he's a fine, fine, singer, songwriter, bandleader). Verlaine and Llloyd > were the only guitar due in Television. It's almost a given that these days > Lloyd has the stronger or more versatile chops of the two, though 'twas not > always so, and Verlaine has lost nothing-- he's the more distinctive player, > it's just that Lloyd has vastly improved. * Whoops, what a mistake! Sorry about that. I did see the Voidoids once, supporting Elvis Costello and the Attractions. They were a bit like the Tots who played with Lou on his first UK tour and did a great version of 'Berlin' and a less-than-great version of 'Waiting for the Man'. > > I certainly always class Johnny Thunders as a primarily > blues-via-British-Invasion lead player, as were a lot of the early punks. > Somewhere between the earliear VU, the complicated stuff that Verlaine got > into, and the really minimalist but tonally similar stuff that came to > characterize British postpunk (Joy Division, Gang of Four and so forth) is > where the punk lineage parts ways with the R&B side of rock, for my money. > * Thanks for this. I stopped listening to those kind of things but I didn't know that they had a name. I did see and enjoy that band whom James rates, with Sarah Lee on bass and Robert Fripp on guitar. > > I twice saw Adrian Belew with King Crimson and mentioned to him how I >> was struck by how much he sounded like Zoot (Bill Harkelroad) Horn >> Rollo. Interestingly he didnt seem to have heard The Magic Band. > > The Magic Band is another big touchstone in the drift away from blues > guitar-- kind of ironic considering the Captain's early stuff. * Love the first two albums, not so sure about the weird stuff, really like 'The Spotlight Kid' and 'Clear Spot'. On the later albums there are stand-out tracks such as 'Ice Cream for Crow' and 'Bat Chain Puller' but regrettably no consistency. > If you go > back that far, though, you have to start talking about the Byrds, Fairport, > Butterfield, Love, and, well, you know, the Beatles and stuff, * Not quite so far, surely. The Byrds formed in '64 and Butterfield was playing with Dylan in the same year, I think... or maybe it was '65. - - Mike (hoping no-one will remember that The Magic Band formed in '65) Godwin n.p. April Kisses by Eddie Lang ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:04:55 +1030 From: great white shark Subject: zappa as all round general god figure and other geetar musings On Feb 7, 2007, at 3:54 AM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > Man...you guys have got to be kidding. Zappa was not a frustrated > classical > composer, nor did he "want" to be a composer. Frank Zappa *was* a > composer, > and a damn fine one. Many people in the classical world think this, > from > Pierre Boulez to the Ensemble Modern. You are right oh feathered one , and I agree with you, a mere slip of the keyboard on my part , still think a lot of his later lyrics are pretty trite and although amusing on occasions they are not really worthy of the musical settings in which Frank placed them . Still he hated "republicans" with a passion and I will forever admire him for this fact . mike mused Steve Hillage: Totally agree with Dave that he is wasting his time with those synths. He had the potential and the expertise to become a superstar: maybe he didnt want to. absolutely right , apparently he played at Glastonbury Festival in 1979 and had an epiphany onstage , decided he'd had enough of being a guitar god and chucked it all in . tragic . Back to really good recent blues guitarists, one to watch out for is Wolf Mail -a Canadian who is frigging great onstage- not much cop on album but he smokes onstage . I also highly recommend the Cream reunion dvd, I think these guys are playing better now than they did in 68, they seem to be listening more to each other and of course although the fire of youth has abated somewhat, the wealth of experience they now have has improved the interplay immensely . Of course the prices of their tickets are obscene and its our fault for paying such inflated prices, if we continue to cough up 300$ for front row seats then these bods will continue to con the money out of us ! Also , just to raise the Grateful Dead spectre, the mighty Steve Kimmock is the only guitarist who can come anywhere near filling Garcias shoes, its his presence in the Rhythm Devils lineup that gave the band so much punch . and then of course theres Jorma a relatively unsung hero ..... and why oh why did Ry Cooder ever give up playing his older material , I just can't warm to his later stuff- too ambient for my tastes but the tex mex and blues based stuff was pure gold IMHO der commander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:15:10 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Yet more guitar players On 07/02/07, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > . > > Somewhere between the earliear VU, the complicated stuff that Verlaine > got > > into, and the really minimalist but tonally similar stuff that came to > > characterize British postpunk (Joy Division, Gang of Four and so forth) > is > > where the punk lineage parts ways with the R&B side of rock, for my > money. > > > * Thanks for this. I stopped listening to those kind of things but I > didn't know that they had a name. I did see and enjoy that band whom > James rates, with Sarah Lee on bass and Robert Fripp on guitar. That would be the League Of Gentlemen. I rate them too. The best dance band I ever saw, with Fripp at his most accessible and crazy at the same time. craigie* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:43:06 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: zappa as all round general god figure and other geetar musings On 2/7/07, great white shark wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2007, at 3:54 AM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > and then of course theres Jorma a relatively unsung hero ..... I love Jorma's work on that early Airplane stuff... but I get confused about which strands of the Airplane fragmentation featured him and have tended to suspect it might've been more pedestrian material. Was he in Hot Tuna or something? Would any of those bands do anything for me, as a guy for whom most roots explorations are kinda dull compared to the real thing, and who values songwriting at least as much as playing? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:45:59 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Yet more guitar players On 2/7/07, craigie* wrote: > > > That would be the League Of Gentlemen. > > I rate them too. The best dance band I ever saw, with Fripp at his most > accessible and crazy at the same time. > Embarrassingly, I've just recently heard this for the first time, and it does indeed kick ass. Well described there. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:05:27 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Reap Frankie Laine, singer, 93 http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ex-laine6feb07,0,5808785.story?coll=la-home-headlines - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:55:19 -0800 From: Rex Subject: In hopes of reigniting the Mucky/Lucky debate The Tom Verlaine mentions of yesterday led me to this page featuring not only Fegmusic and a version of "Friction", but a quite nice cover of "Queen of Eyes" as well. http://www.thejennifers.com/covers.html - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:49 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: zappa as all round general god figure and other geetar musings On 2/7/07, great white shark wrote: >> >>On Feb 7, 2007, at 3:54 AM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: >> and then of course theres Jorma a relatively unsung hero ..... Rex came prancing back with: >I love Jorma's work on that early Airplane stuff... but I get confused about which > strands of the Airplane fragmentation featured him and have tended to suspect it > might've been more pedestrian material. > Was he in Hot Tuna or something? Would any of those bands do anything for me, > as a guy for whom most roots explorations are kinda dull compared to the real thing, > and who values songwriting at least as much as playing? To bad the Airplane went downhill so fast after 1969's Volunteers album. I though Jorma was at his peak on Volunteers, particularly their take on "Wooden Ships", where Jorma hits some real piercing notes. Jack Cassidy and Jorma created Hot Tuna as an outlet for non-JA style songs. I never bought any of the HT albums. I don't think Jack or Jorma ever played in Jefferson Starship, although not owning any of those albums I could be wrong on that. Grace, Paul and Marty were certainly involved though. Michael B. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #39 *******************************