From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #38 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 6 2007 Volume 16 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [grutness@sli] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [2fs ] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [Rex ] Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? ["Gene Hopstetter Jr." ] Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? [2fs ] Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? [Rex ] The Prince Bowl [2fs ] Re: The Yip Song - variations [ken ostrander ] Re: The Yip Song - variations [Capuchin ] synchronicity ? [great white shark ] Re: The Yip Song - variations [craigie* ] Yet more guitar players [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] RE: Yet more guitar players ["Bachman, Michael" ] Odd News of the Day ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: Odd News of the Day [2fs ] Re: Odd News of the Day [Rex ] Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note [The Great Quail > Tc - gotta agree bout the Pearl Jammers, great guitars , but not a > > fan overall. I'll have to try out " Ten" sometime on your advice. > >I prefer "No Code", even though it's generally not rated as highly. "Hail, >Hail" is a great song! Tangential, I know, but PJ are interesting to me for a completely different reason - their dabbling with traditional Islamic styling after vedder's work with Nusrat fateh ali Khan on the Dead Man Walking soundtrack. The single "Who you are" in particular is an attempt to combine grunge and Qawwali and it works in a very interesting way. I often wonder whether - had NFAK lived longer and things islamic not suddenly become anathema to the US - Qawwali influences could have become to the 90s what the sitar was to the 60s. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:21:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note On 2/5/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > Tangential, I know, but PJ are interesting to me for a completely > different reason - their dabbling with traditional Islamic styling > after vedder's work with Nusrat fateh ali Khan on the Dead Man > Walking soundtrack. The single "Who you are" in particular is an > attempt to combine grunge and Qawwali and it works in a very > interesting way. I often wonder whether - had NFAK lived longer and > things islamic not suddenly become anathema to the US - Qawwali > influences could have become to the 90s what the sitar was to the 60s. Interesting idea. (Incidentally, this connects back to the Led Zeppelin thread - since both Plant and Page have displayed interests in various middle eastern musics.) The anti-Islam (and anti-Arab) mood you describe, though, wasn't created by 9/11 - it was around, albeit in less toxic form, well before that. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:31:24 +0000 From: "C Tupman" Subject: The Yip Song - variations Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but can't find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if it still exists) that would be great. I'm having a discussion with a friend about the extent that people will go to in their analysis of their favourite artists' work (!) and would love to be able to direct him to this page... Charlotte, who has recently rediscovered the delights of Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes... Amazing what a man can do with an eyebrow! ;-) np - Theives, 'Unworthy' - anyone else think this is a beautiful song? I had it on vinyl years ago and it (along with all my other favourite singles) was lost/stolen when I moved house. Happily I've recently tracked it down on CD. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:44:17 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note On 2/5/07, 2fs wrote: > > > > Tangential, I know, but PJ are interesting to me for a completely > > different reason - their dabbling with traditional Islamic styling > > after vedder's work with Nusrat fateh ali Khan on the Dead Man > > Walking soundtrack. The single "Who you are" in particular is an > > attempt to combine grunge and Qawwali and it works in a very > > interesting way. I often wonder whether - had NFAK lived longer and > > things islamic not suddenly become anathema to the US - Qawwali > > influences could have become to the 90s what the sitar was to the 60s. > > > > Interesting idea. (Incidentally, this connects back to the Led Zeppelin > thread - since both Plant and Page have displayed interests in various > middle eastern musics.) The anti-Islam (and anti-Arab) mood you describe, > though, wasn't created by 9/11 - it was around, albeit in less toxic form, > well before that. I actually feel that immediately post 9/11, the Arts and Entertainment Community (take that to mean what you will) actually briefly, perhaps guiltily (or even more cynically, fearfully), embraced Islamic inflections a little more than they had before, trying to find some kind of common ground or address some of that previous marginalization. I don't recall network TV ever showing "Happy (or whatever) Ramadan" spots before 9/11, anyhow, and I sure remember a lot more Middle Eastern music and collaborations being highlighted on NPR for a year or two there. But it was short-lived, as there was a kind of counter-rush to show that, while it was nice to upset the status quo and have some muslim characters NOT be terrorists, it just as quickly became a plot twist when the muslim accused of being a terrorist actually turned out to be a terrorist, and so on. (That's the "in-universe" explanation, anyway; I think that the American public just never warmed up to the idea of peace and brotherhood, and attempts at sympathetic portrayals kinda withered away in the face of mass indifference.) Dunno. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: I'm back, Michael the new jesse sykes record is streaming at . so far, i'm kinda underwhelmed. you know, i think i've finally figured out why NFL games seem to go by more quickly than they used to, even while not wrapping up any earlier than they used to: the clock continues to run after a player goes out of bounds; but the teevee networks, in their wisdom, use the saved time to run commercials both before and after kickoffs. really? i had it on laserdisc, but sold it a year or so ago. when kiefer was on charlie rose a few weeks ago, he stated (after some prodding) that he's pretty far to the left. so, yeah: terrorist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:39:47 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? > From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk > > Steve Hillage is a wonder, I thought that the Gong show at Bath Pav in > '74 was absolutely great - but surely he's not a rock guitarist? What? Hello? Hillage not a rock guitarist? Go dig up your copy of Khan's "Space Shanty," shake the seeds and stems out of the gatefold, and then put the LP lovingly on the player. Then tell me he's not a rock guitarist. And not one of the 'effin best, either. Goddamn I love that "Space Shanty" LP. I must listen to it ten times a year. I'm one of those proggy Canterbury cultists, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:25:13 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations Hi List, C Tupman says: > Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly > recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but can't > find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if it still > exists) that would be great. Wasn't sure that if by "recorded" you meant "written down" but if so, perhaps this is the one: http://fucktheusa.info/robyn/yip.html I just came across that again about a month ago, and really enjoyed it. I like the level of detail in it. I think it's a pretty unique piece of writing / observation (at least from what I've read about RH online.) xo Lauren - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:38:46 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? On 2/5/07, Gene Hopstetter Jr. wrote: > > > From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk > > > > Steve Hillage is a wonder, I thought that the Gong show at Bath Pav in > > '74 was absolutely great - but surely he's not a rock guitarist? > > What? Hello? Hillage not a rock guitarist? > > Go dig up your copy of Khan's "Space Shanty," shake the seeds and > stems out of the gatefold, and then put the LP lovingly on the > player. Then tell me he's not a rock guitarist. And not one of the > 'effin best, either. Was it Godwin who said he wasn't? I thought that was somebody else. Anyway: I think it's kind of funny that, after sixty-plus years of "rock" - huge enormous masses of which are *not* following from the sort of blues-based playing that this discussion started with (Peter Green-era Fleetwood Mac) - there's still some sort of purity test being floated around regarding what is and isn't rock. Of course Steve Hillage is a rock player. Of course Frank Zappa was a rock player (but not only a rock player). I mean, okay, Charlie Christian developed the vocabulary for electric guitar as instrument, within a jazz framework, and someone like Wes Montgomery updated that for the fifties West Coast jazz scene - but beyond that, rock players pretty much owned the electric guitar, strongly influencing the development even of relatively straight "jazz" electric guitarists. (Even someone like Bill Frisell - who rarely plays in a "rock"-sounding mode but who's pretty innovative in a jazz guitar framework - is unlikely to have thought to use various pedals and effects w/o the influence of rock guitarists.) It's been 30 years since punk - and 40 since the Velvet Underground. The rock styles - and the guitar styles - evolving from those streams are far less blues-influenced than almost all rock guitar before them. That doesn't make it "not rock" - hell, those styles now have been around longer than blues-based rock guitar was around before them. - -- ...Jeff, edging toward his anti-"blues" rant... The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:53:16 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Hillage not a rock guitarist? On 2/5/07, 2fs wrote: > > > It's been 30 years since punk - and 40 since the Velvet Underground. The > rock styles - and the guitar styles - evolving from those streams are far > less blues-influenced than almost all rock guitar before them. That > doesn't > make it "not rock" - hell, those styles now have been around longer than > blues-based rock guitar was around before them. Even most metal hasn't really sounded bluesy for quite some time-- that mighta been why Tom Morello seemed the odd-man out in that one list. In fact the only link between modern metal-guitar and the blues is that modern metal bands still (A) wear silly fantastical outfits, and (B) play rather loudly and rapidly, like the guys in the old metal bands that used to play in a semi-blues idiom, but unlike, in either case, the original bluesmen themselves, to my knowledge. (I suppose there's a throughline about creepy death-and-isolation subject matter, but the modern iteration seems more influenced by splatter-movies than old fashioned religious dread, and there was certainly an interrim period when metal was mostly about "Nothin' But a Good Time" and so forth before it got all Satanic again.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:05:05 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: The Prince Bowl I didn't see it (because I'm not a football fan, and the whole grossly overdone SUPER SUNDAY!!!!! shit makes my brain hurt), but apparently that short little purple-loving fella put on a very fine show during halftime. If you want to verify that, mp3s of the performance are available here: < http://timedoor.textdriven.com/index.php?id=149> (A fellow Milwaukeean, FWIW...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations >> Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly >> recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but can't >> find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if it still >> exists) that would be great. > >Wasn't sure that if by "recorded" you meant "written down" but if so, >perhaps this is the one: > >http://fucktheusa.info/robyn/yip.html the explanations are very helpful. the bit about him yelling from the kitchen while they recorded the backing vocals is great. i also like that he didn't want to call it 'the yip song'. i always wished it was called something else. who's the forces' sweetheart these days? i imagine a photo of brad and angelina would work for everyone, although they are peaceniks (god bless 'em). who's face will be coming to us when we are in the final throws? what obscure part of the brain will surface? will it be that girl from elementary school whose name i can't remember or will i relive my favorite x files episode? hopefully it'll be something good. ken "cleanse me with my next of kin" the kenster from ye ol' wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Lynn The United Kingdom's VE Day ceremonies in 2005 included a concert in Trafalgar Square in which Vera Lynn made a surprise appearance. She made a speech praising the veterans and calling upon the younger generations to always remember their sacrifice. - --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > C Tupman says: >> Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly >> recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but >> can't find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if >> it still exists) that would be great. > > Wasn't sure that if by "recorded" you meant "written down" but if so, > perhaps this is the one: > > http://fucktheusa.info/robyn/yip.html > > I just came across that again about a month ago, and really enjoyed it. > I like the level of detail in it. I think it's a pretty unique piece of > writing / observation (at least from what I've read about RH online.) This is, of course, eddie's work. The old page couldn't be found because eddie let feedthefish.org lapse and replaced it with this .info domain (which some people block by default). Someday I'll get the lyrics of the last three or four albums up on the lyrics archive. But it sure is hard to get motivated these days. Homological algebra is way more compelling. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:46:41 +1030 From: great white shark Subject: synchronicity ? Fellow Fegs ! Isn't it strange how often seemingly totally unrelated things connect ? we were talking about Steve Hillage on the list yesterday , tonight, three sheets to the wind after becoming rather chuffed by Englands' rather rare win at cricket, , I pulled out my recording of the Algerian rock /world artist Rachid Taha, and whilst grokking the mix of Arabic drumming, rhythms and rock sensibilities in Rachid's music , I decided to look at what his output had been recently and lo ! Steve Hillage has produced some of his albums ! I tend to get sequences of these minor coincidences every few months, often I will think of someone I haven't heard from for ages and the next day they contact me ,or - recently, that old lush Dean Martins music was used in a drama production I filmed and I had to put with this god-awful Italian garbage for days as I edited it, then I go somewhere else and what should they play but the exact same track ! What a horrid and terrible coincidence !!!! Waaaah ! anyway , does anyone else get this fairly regularly or is a rare phenomenon for you ? : answers on a postcard to BPO 1430 PO box 12 Hulversum , Northants C/ O Dr Chalkie White or you could try writing to the feglist and let us know about them . der commander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:50:21 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: The Yip Song - variations Wasn't Yip Song originally called Colon Budgie Strut? at least, it was on the bootleg I have of Robyn and Mike Mills playing it at a Texas Records appearance... yours whelkily craigie* On 06/02/07, Capuchin wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > C Tupman says: > >> Ok, a few years ago I saw a website on which someone had painstakingly > >> recorded every different version of the Yip Song - I've googled but > >> can't find it, so if someone on the list could point me to the link (if > >> it still exists) that would be great. > > > > Wasn't sure that if by "recorded" you meant "written down" but if so, > > perhaps this is the one: > > > > http://fucktheusa.info/robyn/yip.html > > > > I just came across that again about a month ago, and really enjoyed it. > > I like the level of detail in it. I think it's a pretty unique piece of > > writing / observation (at least from what I've read about RH online.) > > This is, of course, eddie's work. > > The old page couldn't be found because eddie let feedthefish.org lapse and > replaced it with this .info domain (which some people block by default). > > Someday I'll get the lyrics of the last three or four albums up on the > lyrics archive. But it sure is hard to get motivated these days. > Homological algebra is way more compelling. > > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin > _______________________________________________ > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:39:03 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Yet more guitar players Many thanks to all for thoughts about what constitutes blues rock and what doesn't. I saw Tom Verlaine and Television twice, once with the Only Ones in support and once with an up and coming band called Blondie. Verlaine and Lloyd were very good, but all accounts that I have read suggested that Tom Verlaine and Richard Hell was the classic competitive soloing line-up. I saw Johnny Thunders once but like Richard Hell I would rate him as a New York City punk guitarist rather than a blues rocker. Interestingly, those who saw Television recently tour the UK said that Lloyd was playing better than Verlaine. I twice saw Adrian Belew with King Crimson and mentioned to him how I was struck by how much he sounded like Zoot (Bill Harkelroad) Horn Rollo. Interestingly he didnt seem to have heard The Magic Band. Fripp is for me defined by the free Hyde Park gig in 69 where he played Nola (bobbidy boo be dooby do, de bobbidy do, be diddly diddly, that one). , i.e. a ragtime guitarist. Is that a wee bit unfair? Rick Derringer is an excellent player and songwriter but presumably he wont be with Johnny Winter when he tours the UK in April. Tony Iommi seems to have dropped out of the public mind, or am I wrong? Steve Hillage: Totally agree with Dave that he is wasting his time with those synths. He had the potential and the expertise to become a superstar: maybe he didnt want to. John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana made a memorable album together if you like that kind of thing. Come to think of it, Carlos is pretty darn good himself. Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny etc: you know my feeling about this stuff already. Technically brilliant jazz music, but not nearly as listenable as Eddie Lang and Lonnie Johnson (try Pickin My Way at http://www.redhotjazz.com/lang.html). Larry Carlton: My pal Chuck Becker from Boston always rated Larry Carlton as his favourite. Ronnie Montrose, Steve Lukather, Jim McCarty, Joe Walsh are in my book all fine post-Clapton guitarists who dont excite me very much (apart from those four stunning bars by McCarty in Devil With The Blue Dress On, worthy of Jeff Beck himself). I quite like those Toto hits in a seventies kind of way, but I always think that Tom Scholz sets the standard for that style. Robin Trower has always been a Hendrix copyist in my book. Talking of Hendrix style players, I would really like to have seen Stevie Ray Vaughan. And I would still really like to see Billy Gibbons sometime. Can we leave Duane Allman and slide playing for another day, please? Basically I agree with Dave about his brilliance, but there are loads of talented slide players whom I haven't got time to mention today. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Jeannine  Eddie Lang PS Tony Peluso plays one of my favourite guitar solos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:40:34 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Yet more guitar players MG wrote: >Rick Derringer is an excellent player and songwriter but presumably he wont be with Johnny Winter when he tours >the UK in April. Tony Iommi seems to have dropped out of the public mind, or am I wrong? I saw Rick Derringer in May of 1971 when he was with with Egdar Winter's White Trash and with Johnny Winter And. They were the last two acts of an all day festival that included The Allman Brothers (Duane Allman was still alive). One of my top 10 concerts that I have been attended. Derringer was great. Johnny was into H and retired from the road shortly after that tour to kicj his habbit. >John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana made a memorable album together if you like that kind of thing. >Come to think of it, Carlos is pretty darn good himself. I saw Santana twice in 1975, once with Clapton and once as a headliner in another all day concert. Carlos and Eric did a killer take on Eyesight for The Blind. Clapton wasn't drunk and was on fire that night. I saw EC a couple of years later and was not impressed at all. McLaughlin is in one of my favorite music movies of alltime, 'Round Midnight, which featured Dexter Gordan. >Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny etc: you know my feeling about this stuff already. Technically brilliant >jazz music, but not nearly as listenable as Eddie Lang and Lonnie Johnson (try Pickin My Way at http://www.redhotjazz.com/lang.html) My favorite jazz guitarist is Wes Montgomery. I love the tone he had. Too bad he died so young. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:56:51 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Yet more guitar players On 2/6/07, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Many thanks to all for thoughts about what constitutes blues rock and > what doesn't. > > I saw Tom Verlaine and Television twice, once with the Only Ones in > support and once with an up and coming band called Blondie. Verlaine > and Lloyd were very good, but all accounts that I have read suggested > that Tom Verlaine and Richard Hell was the classic competitive soloing > line-up. I saw Johnny Thunders once but like Richard Hell I would rate > him as a New York City punk guitarist rather than a blues rocker. > Interestingly, those who saw Television recently tour the UK said that > Lloyd was playing better than Verlaine. Hell wasn't a guitarist but a bassist, and not a great one at that (although he's a fine, fine, singer, songwriter, bandleader). Verlaine and Llloyd were the only guitar due in Television. It's almost a given that these days Lloyd has the stronger or more versatile chops of the two, though 'twas not always so, and Verlaine has lost nothing-- he's the more distinctive player, it's just that Lloyd has vastly improved. I certainly always class Johnny Thunders as a primarily blues-via-British-Invasion lead player, as were a lot of the early punks. Somewhere between the earliear VU, the complicated stuff that Verlaine got into, and the really minimalist but tonally similar stuff that came to characterize British postpunk (Joy Division, Gang of Four and so forth) is where the punk lineage parts ways with the R&B side of rock, for my money. I twice saw Adrian Belew with King Crimson and mentioned to him how I > was struck by how much he sounded like Zoot (Bill Harkelroad) Horn > Rollo. Interestingly he didnt seem to have heard The Magic Band. The Magic Band is another big touchstone in the drift away from blues guitar-- kind of ironic considering the Captain's early stuff. If you go back that far, though, you have to start talking about the Byrds, Fairport, Butterfield, Love, and, well, you know, the Beatles and stuff, - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:36 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Odd News of the Day Hi, This must be making the rounds to-day as it was featured on the local newscast. http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2007-02-06T144649Z_01_N05320234_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-USA-ASTRONAUTS-DC.XML&WTmodLoc=SciHealth-C3-Science-4 - - or - http://tinyurl.com/2xja8y My first "tiny" URL. That was fun. xo Lauren - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:11:28 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Odd News of the Day On 2/6/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > Hi, > > This must be making the rounds to-day as it was featured on the local > newscast. > > > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2007-02-06T144649Z_01_N05320234_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-USA-ASTRONAUTS-DC.XML&WTmodLoc=SciHealth-C3-Science-4 > > - or - > > http://tinyurl.com/2xja8y It's certainly reassuring to observe that NASA's vaunted training procedures, so finely attuned to detect the slightest psychological instability in applicants, so efficiently screens out the unstable who might do some damage under the psychological stress of space travel. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:18:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Odd News of the Day On 2/6/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 2/6/07, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > This must be making the rounds to-day as it was featured on the local > > newscast. > > > > > > > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2007-02-06T144649Z_01_N05320234_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-USA-ASTRONAUTS-DC.XML&WTmodLoc=SciHealth-C3-Science-4 > > > > - or - > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2xja8y > > > > It's certainly reassuring to observe that NASA's vaunted training > procedures, so finely attuned to detect the slightest psychological > instability in applicants, so efficiently screens out the unstable who > might > do some damage under the psychological stress of space travel. I'm sure she was fing before she actually went up on Discovery, at which time she was possessed by some kind of psycho-obsessive space alien brain parasite. An incontinent psycho-obsessive space alien brain parasite, at that. > Police allege Nowak drove 950 miles from Houston to Orlando -- wearing > adult diapers so she would not have to stop to urinate Erm, at that distance, didn't she have to stop for gas? Why not take that opportunity to grab some Doritos and, like, take a piss? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:37:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: hillage ,zappa's and McLaughlin's rock credentials and other guitarists of note >> and Zappa >> was a frustrated classical composer > Zappa to my mind is one of the GREAT rock guitarists, which is one > reason I put up with all his silly sex songs and cynicism - yes , he > wanted to be a composer, he was influenced by various atonal > classical bods, Man...you guys have got to be kidding. Zappa was not a frustrated classical composer, nor did he "want" to be a composer. Frank Zappa *was* a composer, and a damn fine one. Many people in the classical world think this, from Pierre Boulez to the Ensemble Modern. I get very sad when I think of Zappa's early death -- not because the world lost a rock god, which it did; but also because the world lost a composer who was just beginning to find his voice. I truly believe Zappa was a genius; the kind of musician that could excel at whatever form captured his attention. - --Quail PS: Oh yeah, and Hillage ROCKS! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #38 *******************************