From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #32 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 1 2007 Volume 16 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["Shane Apple" ] Re: [Rex ] Re: [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: where are you from? [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] It's only talk [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 [Jeff Dwarf ] New Richard Thompson song online [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: RH-related content >= 0% [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: RH-related content >= 0% [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 [Rex ] I'm back, Michael [Jill Brand ] what I really want to know from Eddie Tews [Jill Brand ] Re: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews ["Jason Brown" ] Reap ["Michael Sweeney" ] Re: I'm back, Michael [Rex ] All About My Day ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews [Rex ] Re: Reap [2fs ] Re: I'm back, Michael [2fs ] My name is "Eb", and my flesh-rocket is entering the stratosphere ["Stack] science, muck, and algebra [ken ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:02:03 +0000 From: "Shane Apple" Subject: [none] On 1/31/07, 2fs wrote: >> >> >>I'm not sure it would ever be possible (or desirable) to data-crunch such >>things as musical taste: http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html This is flawlessly scientific! And it made me grin. >I think mine would have banjo, bagpipes, bassoon, and spoons. > >Incidentally, it occurred to me that the current musician likeliest to use >just that combination is...Sufjan Stevens. I'd almost be willing to bet that combination is featured somewhere on that Major Organ and the Adding Machine album. And you get the Jeff Mangum bonus! Or how about A Hawk and a Hacksaw? - --Shane _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On 1/31/07, Shane Apple wrote: > > On 1/31/07, 2fs wrote: > >> > >> > >>I'm not sure it would ever be possible (or desirable) to data-crunch > such > >>things as musical taste: > > http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html > > This is flawlessly scientific! And it made me grin. Did the poll reveal that most-wanted combo should feature the ex-guitarist for Living Colour? I'd like to hear this, but that price is a little steep for me to truly most-want it... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:47:33 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: On 1/31/07, Rex wrote: > > > > > > http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html > > > > This is flawlessly scientific! And it made me grin. > > > Did the poll reveal that most-wanted combo should feature the ex-guitarist > for Living Colour? > > I'd like to hear this, but that price is a little steep for me to truly > most-want it... It's pretty damned hilarious is what it is. I didn't go to the site - becaues I already have the CD - but what are they charging these days? I think it was like fifteen bucks when I bought it a few years back. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:04:33 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 All this talk about the Police reforming, and no mention that I've seen here that messrs Finn and Seymour are looking for a new drummer for Crowded House. Where are your priorities, people? James (wishing you know who and whatsisfaced would take it outside) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:22:42 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: where are you from? >Rex: > > Another thing like that is how people feel compelled to talk about >where they're from all the time, especially if it's somewhere off the >beaten path, as if they-- well, we, because I totally do this-- deserve >a cookie for making it in the real world despite such humble beginnings. > > > >That's an interesting point, though I guess I've always thought of it as >enriching oneself within the larger community of human experience, >rather than as some sort of validation. It's the easiest way to start a conversation with someone. Say "Hi, I'm Sven" and you've got little for the other person to comment on. Say "Hi, I'm Sven and I'm from Lumsden" and suddenly there are a whole range of possible ins for a conversation: *"Oh, I've always wanted to go there - what's it really like?" *"Hey, I used to live just up the road from there in Winton" *"Nice place - my cousin lives there" *"Lumsden, huh? So how long have you been here in Ashburton?" *"You're a long way from home - do you ever get back there?" etc etc etc. Just a standard conversation started, and a far more natural one than expressing a like or dislike, which could provoke an instant adverse reaction in the person you're talking to: "Hi, I'm Sven and I like listening to Charles Aznavour!" James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:26:30 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: It's only talk > > When your role on the list has become so limited and repetitive, do > > not be surprised when it is described with limited, repetitive language. > > > >What you mean is, when someone is indisciplined, they repeat themselves >under stress repeat themselves under stress repeat themselves under stress >repeat? > >(Well it would have been funny in 1981.) Coincidentally, much of this list these days reminds me of the lyrics to Elephant Talk. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > All this talk about the Police reforming, and no > mention that I've seen here that messrs Finn and > Seymour are looking for a new drummer for Crowded > House. Where are your priorities, people? I thought I mentioned it last week.... "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: New Richard Thompson song online I haven't listened to it yet, but.... http://www.richardthompson-music.com/catch_of_the_day.asp?id=663 "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:45:12 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 >grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: >> All this talk about the Police reforming, and no >> mention that I've seen here that messrs Finn and >> Seymour are looking for a new drummer for Crowded >> House. Where are your priorities, people? > >I thought I mentioned it last week.... oops - must've missed that. Still surprised the Police reunion is gaining more feg inches. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Molly Ivins http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/01/31/national/a160010S74.DTL "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:11:34 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: RH-related content >= 0% > > My would sound somewhat like Rex's, but add a soprano sax and some piano > > block chords, no doubt coming from John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner > > respectively. > > >I think mine would have banjo, bagpipes, bassoon, and spoons. Oh dear. Have you been listening to Focus and Gryphon again? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:20:00 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: RH-related content >= 0% On 1/31/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > My would sound somewhat like Rex's, but add a soprano sax and some > piano > > > block chords, no doubt coming from John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner > > > respectively. > > > > > >I think mine would have banjo, bagpipes, bassoon, and spoons. > > Oh dear. Have you been listening to Focus and Gryphon again? That's no bassoon - that's a *sackbut*! [taps foot impatiently, waiting for Eddie to make a joke...] I'd've mentioned Focus if I'd included "yodelling"... (Note: I *do* have a Gryphon LP - but one of the Gryphon guys went on to become a rather respected "early music" dude - Phillip Pickett - who's played some of that medieval-on-yo-ass stuff with Richard Thompson. Whose records have featured sackbut, played by Pickett...gotta be some banjo in there somewhere...not sure about the bagpipes. Or the spoons.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:30:07 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #29 On 1/31/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > >grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > >> All this talk about the Police reforming, and no > >> mention that I've seen here that messrs Finn and > >> Seymour are looking for a new drummer for Crowded > >> House. Where are your priorities, people? > > > >I thought I mentioned it last week.... > > oops - must've missed that. Still surprised the Police reunion is > gaining more feg inches. I'm game to throw some column inches to Crowded House, away from the Police and Rag (sic) Against the Machine. Who's the smart money on to be the new drummer? And is it to be more than a one-off reunion? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:56:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: I'm back, Michael "Michael still trying to lure Jill out of her post-Pats funk" I'm emerging from the funk, but the more difficult thing is emerging from the first two weeks of the semester, which are always REALLY hard. Anyway, the Pats lost because of me, so I only have myself to blame. I made a bargain with some supernatural being, let's say it was the devil, that I'd sacrifice the Pats this season if it meant that my son would get into the college he applied to "early action." Well, he got in, and the Pats lost exquisitely. See? My fault. I guess this sounds somewhat egomaniacal. So, IT'S DA BEARS, BABY!!!!! Is there anyone else here who has never liked Led Zeppelin? I have tried really hard, but I can't stand listening to Robert Plant sing. I'm sure I've said this here before. And yeah, whoever at Adult Swim thought of that little PR stunt had Boston ON ITS KNEES today. Streets closed, trains stopped, Fenway Park surrounded by cops. Way to go. What are the jail terms for terrorist hoaxes? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:38:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews Who's going to win the Super Bowl? And can I assume that it was the real Kenster who wrote the post about the Police? I used to love them, you know, really. I think I loved them so much that that's why I divorced them when Synchronicity came out. It was overwhelmingly not at all what I liked at that time, and the first time I heard Every Breath You Take, I got that sick-stupid-ohmygodthiscantbereal half-smile on my face which spells disaster. But I saw them six times in concert in large venues (I don't go to arena shows EVER!!!), so I must have really loved them. When I threw Sting out of my life, Morrissey moved right in. He's more my kinda guy anyway. And now that I've moved the discussion to Manchester, I have a Buzzcocks- related question. Today, whilst shopping in Filene's Basement (which will soon go under, I fear), I heard some background little female voices going "lalalalalala...if I start a commotion, I run the risk of losing you, and that's worse." So there I am in fucking Filene's Basement listening to some twitty girlgroup singing Ever Fall in Love With Someone and I don't have anyone with me to appreciate the moment! So who is this band, anyway? Any comments on the Shins album? I know that Eb doesn't like them much even though one would expect that he would (right?), but I've kind of taken up their banner in the last 9 months and REALLY like the new album. Jill, back to not posting so much ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:35:24 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews On 1/31/07, Jill Brand wrote: > Who's going to win the Super Bowl? The Colts,unfortunately. But I can't decide who hate more Peyton or Rex. > So there I am in fucking Filene's Basement listening to > some twitty girlgroup singing Ever Fall in Love With Someone and I don't > have anyone with me to appreciate the moment! So who is this band, > anyway? I believe this could be Nouvelle Vague the cover new wave songs in a bossa nova style. > Any comments on the Shins album? I know that Eb doesn't like them much > even though one would expect that he would (right?), but I've kind of > taken up their banner in the last 9 months and REALLY like the new album. I've only listened to it a few times and i really like it. Some of the songs are refreshingly unpoppy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:37:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:38 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > And now that I've moved the discussion to Manchester, I have a > Buzzcocks- related question. Today, whilst shopping in Filene's > Basement (which will soon go under, I fear), I heard some > background little female voices going "lalalalalala...if I start a > commotion, I run the risk of losing you, and that's worse." So > there I am in fucking Filene's Basement listening to some twitty > girlgroup singing Ever Fall in Love With Someone and I don't have > anyone with me to appreciate the moment! So who is this band, anyway? Nouvelle Vague maybe? http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:lta9qj5rojja > > Any comments on the Shins album? I know that Eb doesn't like them > much even though one would expect that he would (right?), but I've > kind of taken up their banner in the last 9 months and REALLY like > the new album. Saw them on SNL a few weeks ago and wanted to punch their lights out - - about as interesting as a jar of mayonnaise. Then I heard one of their tracks on radioiorock.com and didn't mind it so much. Still not enough for me though. - -tc nd: Leffe Blonde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:51:31 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: reap The Beautiful South Call It A Day Alt-pop group The Beautiful South have released a brief and characteristically humorous statement announcing their break-up: "The Beautiful South have split up due to musical similarities. The band would like to thank everyone for their 19 wonderful years in music." A lot of bands tend to break up in the spring, so if the pattern holds, we should expect several more splits. This may be the inevitable flipside to all these reunited bands. A sort of musical version of the even Steven principle... there's only room for so many bands at once. http://kofis-hat.blogspot.com/2007/01/beautiful-south-call-it-day.html - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:08:49 +0000 From: "Michael Sweeney" Subject: Reap Molly Ivins, 62 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/obit_ivins;_ylt=Ap14aSRqIHlR99445WjLfaFH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4dW1uZXIwBHNlYwMyNzQ3 Bummer... "Molly Ivins was a Texas original," President Bush said in a statement. "I respected her convictions, her passionate belief in the power of words, and her ability to turn a phrase. She fought her illness with that same passion." ...F--- you, Shrub: Not only did you absolutely never say that, you certainly didn't think it, and probably couldn't have typed it (at least not without heapin' helpin's of the benefit of a Spell Checker). Oh well... Michael Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:30:42 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: I'm back, Michael On 1/31/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > > Is there anyone else here who has never liked Led Zeppelin? I have tried > really hard, but I can't stand listening to Robert Plant sing. I'm sure > I've said this here before. Yeah, his vocals will never be my bag, but he's struck me as a surprisingly cool guy in recent years, and I give him credit for that. And I still can't listen to the big huge hits (that one in particular) at all. But I started feeling kind of lame for liking everything Yardbirdsy that led up to Zeppelin, and many things which owe a debt to them, so I sucked it up and gave it a try. The not-overplayed stuff has a fair amount of charm, if you can separate it from all the hoo-ha. They'll never be a staple artist for me, but I'm happy to have gotten over my knee-jerk utter disdain for them, I guess. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:31:35 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: All About My Day ...well, not really. Hi Fegs, I just wanted to share with you what might have been an "Egyptian Cream" moment. I've been occassionally corresponding with this woman from the U.K. on MySpace (no comments from the peanut gallery!) for a few months. She contacted me because because I like Howard Devoto and Magazine a lot. We had a few interesting e-mails about music and sort of cultural differences between U.K. and U.S. that might make for differences in the music made there...it was very interesting but as I'm pretty much incapable of keeping up much of an e-mail correspondence, we didn't really write that much. So anyway, it turns out that she's a GUY. I'm not quite sure why he was not upfront with me, but it does seem to be in the category of "mistruth" rather than "sexual confusion." I mean, it's not like he was trying to get me talk about my privates - about as crazy as it got was when we discussed "Permafrost." And anyway, isn't this breaking some kind of internet protocol (i.e. if person A contacts person on B, isn't person B the one who's supposed to turn out to be the girl pretending to be a boy?) Kind of weird. Hmmmm...maybe I should tell him that I lied, that I'm a boy, too ;) xo Lauren - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:33:17 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: what I really want to know from Eddie Tews On 1/31/07, Jason Brown wrote: > > On 1/31/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > Who's going to win the Super Bowl? > > The Colts,unfortunately. But I can't decide who hate more Peyton or Rex. Oh, don't waste your time on me... I don't have a prayer in the Superbowl. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:42:37 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: All About My Day On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > I've been occassionally corresponding with this woman from the U.K. on > MySpace... > > So anyway, it turns out that she's a GUY. Well duh! Isn't that how it works on myspace? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:51:00 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Reap On 1/31/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > > "Molly Ivins was a Texas original," President Bush said in a statement. "I > respected her convictions, her passionate belief in the power of words, > and > her ability to turn a phrase. She fought her illness with that same > passion." > > ...F--- you, Shrub: Not only did you absolutely never say that, you > certainly didn't think it, and probably couldn't have typed it (at least > not > without heapin' helpin's of the benefit of a Spell Checker). Like Bush has *ever* respected anyone's convictions that don't agree with his. And when W. starts praising "the power of words"...Christ, as if he'd know. Moving away from the Bush-bashing...I am sick of this "fighting illness" thing. At least he didn't praise her "courage" in doing so (or maybe he did - - I didn't go to the link). Illness isn't some sort of bogeyman that comes in the night, which will "get you" unless you're courageous and willing to fight. Notwithstanding the relevance of psychological state in dealing with illness, the whole figure of speech is pretty pointless...in that no one, anywhere, has ever been described as "wimping out in the face of illness" or being "cowardly and fearful as cancer kicked her ass." Ivins lived a hell of a life, and was an entertaining, thoughtful, and passionate writer. Isn't that enough? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:58:33 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I'm back, Michael On 1/31/07, Rex wrote: > > On 1/31/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > > > > > Is there anyone else here who has never liked Led Zeppelin? I have > tried > > really hard, but I can't stand listening to Robert Plant sing. I'm sure > > I've said this here before. > > > Yeah, his vocals will never be my bag, but he's struck me as a > surprisingly > cool guy in recent years, and I give him credit for that. And I still > can't > listen to the big huge hits (that one in particular) at all. I forget which song was mentioned - but for me, one of the worst Zeppelin songs is one of the most played - "Living Loving Maid" (invariably segued from "Heartbreaker" which also pretty much sucks). Anyway, he's toned down the screechiness quite a bit and learned to use his middle and lower registers - he's much more effective a singer there than you might have thought - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:11:02 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb", and my flesh-rocket is entering the stratosphere see and forward for discussion. <> the one does not preclude the other, my son! did you see that the over/under for addai is 62 1/2 yards? if i were a betting man, i'd be taking the over all the way to the *bank*, bay-bee. the point is not what you (or i) "can say". the point is that you misrepresented yourself, bro'. that's a kind of lie. and your prevarication is becoming more and more inimical to this board's health!!!! i refuse to answer (on the grounds that you've omitted the serial comma). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: science, muck, and algebra >>>>science, properly considered, knows that it does not know ..... >>Does "science" "reject...the inexplicable yet meaningful coincidences in our >>lives" - or does it merely reject facile attempts to explain them?<<<< > >>>One source of the problem is that "science" has become cultural shorthand for a >mode of consciousness that begins by positing that only the quantifiable is >"real," i.e. a legitimate topic of discussion/investigation.<<< > >>I studied well, not science, but mathematics at school precisely >because of the sense of mystery I found within it. It's not that >different than the feeling I get from looking at a great painting.<< > >The value in appreciating them - opportunities for personal development >arising from understanding a bubbling sub-conscious, often done through >symbols and metaphor - is not a scientific process.< it seems to me that there is a tendency among scientists (and professors and pompous dismissive windbags) to poo poo the "unscientific" with terms like 'pseudo science' and 'junk science'. whether it's astrology or psychoanalysis or god, there is an attitude of derision and dismissal. certainly, many people look down on creationists as ignorant and superstitious. i think "science" is just another religion based on the humanist ideal that we can figure everything out with our squirmy brains. it doesn't exist outside of us. we're all still just folks with unconscious desires and drives and fears. gordon said he "never saw no miracle of science that didn't always end up as something worse." and albert said "creativity is more important than knowledge." the scientist always seems to be working on fixing something outside of himself. what good will a cure for a pandemic do when we wage war on each other? i think that jung's emphasis on self knowledge is key. > "Captain! Captain! We've sustained a douchebag-sized hit on the upper > starboard deck!" bear grylls was on oprah today and showed how you could stay alive with an unused tampon by using the insides to start a fire. oh, and: http://www.glumbert.com/media/whiterabbit >> I'm not sure it would ever be possible (or desirable) to data-crunch such > things as musical taste<< tell that to the musical industrial overlords. illegitimus non carborundum! seriously, though, the data can be massaged to reflect whatever someone wants it to (through their own taste or intution) or thinks it should be. hence, you can never get enough of what you don't want. >>On occasion, even I (and perhaps everyone) secretly suspect myself of >being cool.<< now you're just being hysterical. >>"yes, but is your cat aware of what you are about to do?"<< my cat knows before i even do. >>>Well, I don't know. I think it does make some difference whether you have >followed a band over a long period of time or not. That's not to say that >it gives you a *better* appreciation of it, but it's a different one.<<< the only time it really seems to matter is when the artist suddenly breaks out and there are new fans who are ignorant of the back catalogue. or when you model your hair and clothing after the fashion of the band and they completely change it on you. >>>I actually bought my first Zeppelin record last year<<< before we let you into the support group, you have to let us know which album you started with? did you start at the end and work backwards? >>>Ignorant students commit racist act and pretend they >didn't know what they were doing<<< i believe that most people who do this kind of thing really don't know how it affects other folks. it's easy to see how a bunch of white college kids could be completely unaware of the black experience. >>>And yeah, whoever at Adult Swim thought of that little PR stunt had >Boston ON ITS KNEES today. Streets closed, trains stopped, Fenway Park >surrounded by cops. Way to go. What are the jail terms for terrorist >hoaxes?<<<< didn't the city get on it's knees for the republicans when they came to town? is it a hoax if people are actually terrified? >>>And can I assume that it was the real Kenster who wrote the post about >the Police?<<<< i've started posting with my yahoo account because of the infuriating formatting problems and it seems to be working much better. ken "i am not me" the kenster np 'friend opportunity' by deerhoof (precious and catchy) - --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #32 *******************************