From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #24 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 26 2007 Volume 16 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The list's favorite topic ["Stewart C. Russell" ] great white sharks musical "best of" list 2006 [great white shark ] Re: The list's favorite topic [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: great white sharks musical "best of" list 2006 [ken ostrander ] Re: The list's favorite topic [Steve Talkowski ] Re: The list's favorite topic [2fs ] Re: The list's favorite topic [2fs ] Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) [] RE: The list's favorite topic ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) [Sebast] Re: The list's favorite topic [Rex ] Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) [] Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) [] Kiwi Blog [Rex ] Re: The list's favorite topic [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Ravi Shankar is gay? [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Discovery of the week ["Miles Goosens" ] telephones and viruses and the passion of it all [ken ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:29:35 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > WTF? Why should "guileless" be pronounced that way?? It's what double esses do. We (heart) english weirdness. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:28:22 +1030 From: great white shark Subject: great white sharks musical "best of" list 2006 I don't normally indulge in these lists, but there's always an exception - so here's a list of the crap I got the most out of in 2006, most of it was live shows and most of it is not "hip " or fashionable, but one or two things might be of interest to fegs, some of it wasn't released in 2006, so list nazi's needn't bother to point THAT out . I hardly ever listen to commerical recordings anyway as I think most studio offerings lack atmosphere and I haven't heard Dylan's Young's or most other big names latest waxings yet .- so cannot comment on them . No particular order about which I found the best and I don't give a shit whether it gets a seal of approval by the resident list critics or not , music is almost entirely subjective anyway. Warning , I like jamming , I'm not a huge fan of albums full of tight three minute songs, unless they can be stretched or changed in performance , this list reflects my taste inasmuch as it mostly features bands who improvise, so if you don't like jazz or jamming bands , press delete. An ozzy act - Blue King Brown, saw these dudes twice in 2006, they kicked ass each time and their album ' stand Up " is pretty good, better live than on record at the moment but this might change as the final tracks on the album are far better then the early ones, Funky, percussive and at times anthemic - a band to watch out for .... http://www.bluekingbrown.com/ Monks of Doom , reformed in 2005 and they are a revelation to me , some songs take a bit of getting used to, but I found they grew on me on repeated listening, crimson, beefheart influences here, which cannot be bad in my book. Best shows -9-17-98. 9-10-05 Spearhead - Yell Fire, Michael Franti restores my faith in a world largely populated by trolls, cro-magnons and popinjays, the last two shows I have seen have been totally uplifting and fun . Although his lyrics are occasionally simplistic, his heart is in the right place and his band are brilliant. The move to a more reggae-ish sound is just fine by me . Kept on listening to this album for weeks after the show, hardly a bum track and that is bloody rare nowadays . Pat Metheny '; The Way Out " sodding fantastic DVD of a live show, the trio toured over here in March but the full band is a lot better , also extremely well edited by a band member - one of the best live concerts I've seen for a while The Who "Electric proms "DVD from BBC TV ; stone me , they can still rock WITHOUT Entwistle and the new songs sound just dandy to me , I wrote off the ooo, but despite Daltry's voice not quite able to hit the high notes in full , they are still one of the most potent live acts around and its nice to see the old roundhouse rejuvenated . Dhol Foundation : appeared at womadelaide 2006 , four mad percussionists led by Johnny Kalsi of Afro Celt Sound System, they beat the shit out of their Dhols which is fine by me .... Stockholm Syndicate , yes I know they are old hat, they haven't toured since 2004, but I only found them this year on the music archive and I think they rock out very nicely , their extended jams are great and most of their songs are really memorable , their guitarist has a great sound- they stuck in my head anyway and I can't stop listening to them . best show in MHO 7-30-04 Gypsy Tea rooms . The Mermen : psychedelic surf music of the highest order , recorded on stage by Steve brown,using a swag of top end mics these are probably some of the best audience recordings you will ever hear, anything recorded by brown is fantastic, but I particularly like 9-23-06 . Rhythm Devils ; Kreutzmann and Hart from the Dead reformed for a short tour , with Steve Kimock on geetar and an excellent female singer, not a perfect listening experience , but some of the versions of Dead chestnuts such as The Other One were great and the jams in the new songs also often took off-10-29-06 is probably the best of the bunch. Nick Skopelitis - Ekstasis . an interesting album featuring a variety of musical styles and folks such as Jah Wobble . very moody/trippy and fuses a lot of different styles , worth a listen if you like world music fusions . Mary Gauthier; saw her last week at the Gov, where she charmed the pants off the audience with laid back alt country folk and a swag of tunes that reside in your head and just won't go away , her guitarist is a gem, plays superb fills and he makes it look so easy. ! Finally- If you are into jazzy/funky stuff for free try out the following acts at the music archive Jazz Mandolin Project , Topaz, The Motet , Sardine Head , I also liked Particle and Perpetual Groove , all have flaws but all have bright spots as well I also thought the reformed Was Not Was shows showed promise and both are wonderful recordings. so there you go, not a lot that anyone else will like much I expect , but remember I am an unreformed 55 year old hippy with surreal tendencies so you can't really expect much else , I also thought Ole Tarantula was great and it goes without saying that the Venus 3 show at the gov was the musical highlight of the year despite having to stay stock still as I was taping . der kommander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:30:47 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: The list's favorite topic > ... I *would*, however pronounce "Lylas" with > a voiced s, like "rose". Which is how we would pluralize "lyla". But since we're not talking about more than one lyla, I don't think there's any reason to use a voiced "s". Think of "atlas". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:36:07 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic - --On 25. Januar 2007 07:29:35 -0500 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: >> WTF? Why should "guileless" be pronounced that way?? > > It's what double esses do. We (heart) english weirdness. I'm not a native speaker, so what do I know, but I have a hard time believing that. Do you have any kind of reference for it? The OS X Dictionary.app contains IPA pronunciation for both British and American English, taken from the New Oxford American Dictionary, 2nd edition. I checked their IPA notation for "guileless", and both have the IPA "s" at the end, not "z". - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: RE: The list's favorite topic >> ... I *would*, however pronounce "Lylas" with >> a voiced s, like "rose". > >Which is how we would pluralize "lyla". But since we're not talking about >more than one lyla, I don't think there's any reason to use a voiced "s". >Think of "atlas". i've been thinking "lie-luz"; but now it occurs to me that they might prefer "lie-lass". - --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:05:20 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: Re: great white sharks musical "best of" list 2006 the mermen are a household favorite with their 'amazing california health and happiness road show'. seems a perfect soundtrack to any carcharodon carcharias conviviality. certainly would be a great double bill with uncle bobby. great white shark wrote: The Mermen : psychedelic surf music of the highest order , - --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:47:06 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: The list's favorite topic > I checked their IPA notation for "guileless", and both have the > IPA "s" at the end, not "z". Sorry, I wasn't clear I guess. I was saying that Lylas *should not* be pronounced with a "z" sound but rather like "guileless", with an "s" sound. You're absolutely correct that the double "s" (and most single "s"-es) at the end of a word are pronounced like "gas" "ass" and "grass", unless it's plural. Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their name, but if it matters to them not to be considered more than one Lyla, they need to watch how they pronounce that "s". Or the whole thing goes to hell. I wonder if they've really thought this through? +brian (nobody rides for free) in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:05:29 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their > name > > I wonder if they've really thought this through? I wonder if anyone hasn't slit their wrists yet?! Seriously, the BroomeWars thread has more appeal than the current lexicographer's panties-binding grandiloquence! - -Steve (just wanted to use the word "grandiloquence"...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:09:37 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic On 1/25/07, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > > Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their name, > but > if it matters to them not to be considered more than one Lyla, they need > to > watch how they pronounce that "s". Or the whole thing goes to hell. > > I wonder if they've really thought this through? You know, that seems to be a surprisingly common viable question about bands' names. Seems like a lot of acts don't put a lot of thought into their names ("uh, well, we needed something to put on the poster, so we used my cousin's third cat's nickname 'Dinkhead'...") or overthink it ("yes, well, if you'd *read* the rare 4th edition of the Dungeonmaster's Guide, and realized that in the footnote on page 577, the reference to Gulnzgrothogh must have been in error, and it was supposed to be 'Gulzgrotonogh' instead, you'd understand why we call ourselves 'The Phantom Hairless Horn.' Or at least you would, if you knew the character attributes of Gulnzgrothogh and Gulzgrotonogh..."). The universe will no doubt pronounce the band's name "lie-luzz" for all eternity, and if the band insists it should be "lie-luss," well, they should have come up with a different acronym ("love you like a sister, see?"). 'Course, that would be "Lyle ASS"... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:11:15 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic On 1/25/07, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their > > name > > > > I wonder if they've really thought this through? > > I wonder if anyone hasn't slit their wrists yet?! > > Seriously, the BroomeWars thread has more appeal than the current > lexicographer's panties-binding grandiloquence! Well, there's the title of my next mix CD: "The Lexicographer's Panties-Binding Grandiloquence." Comin' right up. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:45:25 -0800 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) On 1/24/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > show > in Seattle on Thanksgiving weekend. Eddie? Cynthia?> > > i'm quite sure that you didn't see me. and the last time i spoke with > cynthia, she was even more disenchanted with robyn than i am. so you > probably didn't see her either. surprised, though, that you didn't see > either the mighty vincester or jet-setter jim davies. I know for certain that I didn't see you, I was wondering why. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given your antipathy for Robyn in recent years. It's too bad, I quite missed your hi-jinks and affable personality. Okay, "affable" is the wrong word. Don't know what the right one is, though. anyways: welcome back. Thanks for the shout-out. I'm a little sad that Tom Clark isn't glad to "see" me. Fuck you, Tom Clark. < in my collection.>> > > > > quite the contrary: firstly, neko is far from my favourite female artist. > secondly, my love of TOOL does not preclude me from "enjoying" "feminine" > acts. thirdly, while i acknowledge that they're underrepresented in my > collection, it's still the case that i "enjoy" "a lot of" "feminine" > artists. You know, the militant feminist in me is irritated by the whole concept of dividing artists up into "male" and "female" and then having a favorite of each gender. That being said, I must admit that the misogynistic asshole in me has apparently assembled my record collection, because female artists are seriously underrepresented there and I don't even like TOOL. V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:49:21 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: The list's favorite topic > > Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their > > name > > > > I wonder if they've really thought this through? > > I wonder if anyone hasn't slit their wrists yet?! Obviously I don't *really* wonder if they've thought this through. Wait, you mean nobody on the list can tell when I'm using my ironic deadpan face? Shit. No wonder nobody thinks I'm funny. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:54:49 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) - --On 24. Januar 2007 15:51:05 -0800 Rex wrote: > I do have a > cell phone, and it's as pockmarked and cratered as Phobos, the moon of > mars... Mine as well. The display is cracked, but works just fine. > it's my second one ever and I'd still have the first had it not > been stolen. My first one was one-band and could be used with the E band only (if that makes sense to anyone outside of Germany). So I had to get a "new" one for the D band, but I got a used Nokia from eBay. > BTW, my phone gets thoroughly thrashed like that because I don't give a > shit and just throw it in my pocket with keys or whatever, which seems > pretty normal to me. Yup, I do the same. > But I never, ever see anyone else with a phone that > looks half as crappy, and I find that a little odd. Is it really because > people do upgrade frequently, Many do. It's not necessarily once per year, but rather once every *two* years, because most phone plans in Germany run for two years and they give you a subsidized or free phone if you renew. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:07:33 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic On 1/25/07, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > Wait, you mean nobody on the list can tell when I'm using my ironic > deadpan > face? Shit. No wonder nobody thinks I'm funny. Ye Olde Undyeing "Tone" Problemme. (Of course I write this hoping to create an opening for discussion of the vagaries of formulating faux-middle-English. Part of the service package.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:12:30 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) On 1/25/07, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > --On 24. Januar 2007 15:51:05 -0800 Rex wrote: > > > I do have a > > cell phone, and it's as pockmarked and cratered as Phobos, the moon of > > mars... > > Mine as well. The display is cracked, but works just fine. My display is fine, except for that it has an odd gritty imprint of the keys which rest against it when it's closed. This is not my fault, though, it's just design that doesn't account for what would happen if someone actually kept the phone as long as I have. > Many do. It's not necessarily once per year, but rather once every *two* > years, because most phone plans in Germany run for two years and they give > you a subsidized or free phone if you renew. Same here, although they take every opportunity to reboot the contract for another two years before the current two are up (change in billing plan, stolen phone, whatever). But it's good to hear that someone else has the Miniature Moon of Mars in their pocket. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:26:40 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and nothing will stop me from farting again (if you think I'm bluffing, go ahead and try it) On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:45 AM, vivien lyon wrote: > Thanks for the shout-out. I'm a little sad that Tom Clark isn't > glad to > "see" me. Fuck you, Tom Clark. Now that's how you get my attention. Hi Viv - I'm glad you're still alive. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:54:04 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Kiwi Blog Just now noticed this blog, which might find some admirers here: http://kiwitapes.blogspot.com/ - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:58:36 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: The list's favorite topic On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > Obviously I don't *really* care how the members of Lylas say their > > name > > > > I wonder if they've really thought this through? > > I wonder if anyone hasn't slit their wrists yet?! > > Seriously, the BroomeWars thread has more appeal than the current > lexicographer's panties-binding grandiloquence! uh, no it doesn't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:55:54 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Ravi Shankar is gay? > > Since we all have a mixture of both female and male hormones running > > through our bodies, I would say we are all somewhat both male and female > > to varing degrees over a wide spectrum, more so than gay. > >But if we all have them, what makes 'em "male" or "female" hormones? One is >left to assume that there is no such thing as sex. The male ones are responsible for the workings of the danglers, the female ones to the oochie and the oppressive... well, never mind. > > So how does Ted Nugent fit in this cavalcade of creepy Teds? > >He rides shotgun. Oo. Never heard it called that before! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:07:06 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Discovery of the week On 1/20/07, michael wells wrote: > Brian: > > Why anyone would feel the need to turn *that* into a pissing match is > beyond me. It comes off like an audition for the new Rex. > > Word. Miles makes a post for the first time in *ages*, and gets a full > helping of Ebsheesh as his reward. Just going out on a limb here, but maybe > this kind of nonsense is why he stopped posting in the first place. Thanks, Michael, but it was more than all this that put the gun in my hand. I think I've already said what I wanted to say in this thread, but I'll reiterate: my main point about the automatic "they're not country/as country as you'd expect!" line that creeps into every story about a Nashville band is simply that it helps perpetuate a vicious cycle. For any non-country Nashville act even to get *perceived* as a non-country act, much less to succeed, they have to overcome the "Nashville = country" thinking. That's not just with potential fans but with A&R people, labels, the press, you name it. And while it is not the sole factor, maybe not even the primary one, in keeping Nashville non-country acts from breaking out nationally, I truly believe that it is a factor. And after spending 18 years on the ground here, the difference between what people *think* the Nashville club scene would be like vs. what it actually is... well, it's pretty darn vast. It's actually not a great town to see live country music in, and while there are some country performers who made their mark first on the local scene - Jo Dee Messina comes to mind as someone who worked Music City clubs endlessly before her big break - most performers don't work their way up the ladder here. (Country *songwriters,* that's a different story - remember that the Country genre is still following the Tin Pan Alley model rather than the Beatles model, so the writers and performers are mostly two different groups of people.) Is it silly to associate Nashville with country? Of course not. Nashville has been the center of the country music *industry* (emphasis on "industry") since at least the '40s. The city uses the association to promote tourism, as would any metropolis with such a unique asset. There used to be the Nashville Network (somehow it became "Spike"), and there's still CMT, which is based here. WSM, the Ryman, the Opry, they're all here, and I'm glad they are. But there's more here than Hee-Haw. Always has been - check out the Night Train To Nashville CDs for a very different side of the Nashville recording industry. And since the early '80s, there's been a thriving rock/pop scene. If you didn't know that before, you do now. And if you want to know more about those artists, then or now, just ask. As for Lylas themselves, I delayed this repsonse until I'd had time to give the stream at their site a proper listen. Eb is spot on with the softer side o' Ray Davies comparison and in mentioning the darkness of some of the lyrics, and certain elements of the songs piqued my interest. Unfortunately, as a whole, the streamed selection is way too monochromatic and uniformly midtempo for me - what made the softer Ray songs great wasn't just the songs themselves, but the fact that they had "David Watts" and "Animal Farm" for contrast. If the stream is a representative selection, Lylas don't have a balance, and heck, they may not be interested in having a balance. But I'm glad Eb's post prompted me to check them out finally - they seem talented, I'd happily see them live, and I hope they expand their palette along with their popularity. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: ken ostrander Subject: telephones and viruses and the passion of it all >>>>>leader David Miscavige believes that in future, Cruise, 44, will be >>>>>worshipped like Jesus for his work to raise awareness of the religion<<<<< >>> >>>In a walk through Gethsemane, the original Bible boy stomps the new dude<<< after decades of auditing, it would seem that the study of truth has yet to remove the reactive nature of mapother. way before he jumped the couch, he was worshipped for his work with bob seger. the jury is still out on what sort of awareness has been raised. hubbard's cure for leprosy was to get rid of the lepers. doesn't sound like the (com)passion of the christ now, does it? no suri. i do think that god has a sense of humor. >>female-fronted acts are underrepresented<< certainly, it seems like there are a lot more dudes in rock. maybe it's because it's such a testosterone laden genre. still, it's pretty easy for a bunch of unlikely lads to find an artsy spitfire to hold the spotlight. i've always been drawn to the liliths; and it's not all about the milkshake. i think it's because i've had a hard time relating to all things macho. i guess i'm a man with a woman's shadow. it's not that there's no such thing as sex. it's more like prufrock playing to the tomatoes. >>it's good to hear that someone else has the >>Miniature Moon of Mars in their pocket<< we had an ancient cellphone for a long time (and still do somewhere); but upgraded when we got a group plan with multiple phones. i had one of those clippy things for which i never could find a comfortable place. it fell on the ground many times and eventually crashed upon a star. then my wife gave me hers, which met the same fate. now i just put it in my pocket. it's not quite black and empty like a crater to behold; but certainly well worn. does anyone else loath holding up their cellphone to their head? we use the speakerphone option almost exclusively. i can't help wondering what the radio frequency emissions are doing to the skin next to my pocket. i've read that low frequency, non-ionizing radiation doesn't cause the genotoxic or epigenetic activity that created the incredible hulk; but kiss my physics. i have seen the sleeping knights of jesus. thank you for smoking. ken "if your parents told you that chocolate was dangerous would you take their word for it?" the kenster np kristin hersh 'learn to sing like a star' ps. lubes from vegetable oils become affordable http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2007/jan/tech/pp_lubricants.html - --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:46:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: The list's favorite topic The sameyness of the Lylas disc does not bother me, because: 1) It's a very short album (35:35), so it doesn't wear out its welcome. 2) The individual songs are also quite short (there are 16 of 'em), so you end up focusing on the songwriting details of individual tracks rather than the overall sound. If the album was 15 minutes longer, the lack of variety would grate on me a lot more. It's weird how Of Montreal suddenly has a semblance of *popularity*. They have two local dates coming up, and both are already sold out. I guess they've tapped into the larger Scissor Sisters crowd with their changed sound. I connected with the older sound a lot more, though. Eb np A.C. Newman/The Slow Wonder (heard this before, but goddamn this is a great record...speaking of an album which *benefits* from a shorter length) np an hour ago: Snow Patrol/Eyes Open...yikes, who's the villain who turned Snow Patrol into Toad the Wet Sprocket? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #24 *******************************