From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #9 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 11 2007 Volume 16 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: The Big Star Problem ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Mission of Burma? [Eb ] Re: Time Out [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Time Out [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Big Star Problem ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: The Big Problem ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Agreed on the Neko case [David Witzany ] Re: The Big Problem [Eb ] Re: pruh-NUN-see-AY-shun [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Agreed on the Neko case ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: The Big Problem [Eb ] Re: Agreed on the Neko case [wojbearpig ] reaps ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The Big Problem is 0% RH [Carrie Galbraith ] listmania ["ken ostrander" ] the return of the son of listmania ["ken ostrander" Subject: RE: The Big Star Problem >> I'd still love a chance to seem them live. Eb came back with: >I haven't seen them either...I missed a good chance somewhere around >1993 or so, and a second chance hasn't arose beyond a large festival bill. I believed they toured in 1993 to coincide with the reissue of Sister/Lovers. I know that's when I picked S/L up as well as Chris Bell's I Am The Cosmos. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:46:58 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Mission of Burma? Fegz: any opinion on whether or not I should take in Mission of Burma on Saturday night? Just curious. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:07:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Mission of Burma? FSThomas wrote: > Fegz: any opinion on whether or not I should take in Mission of > Burma on > Saturday night? > > Just curious. They were great when I saw them four or so years ago. They're especially great if you're a fan of singers who look like those airport guys who motion planes into their gates. http://www.matadorrecords.com/images/mission_of_burma/ roger_miller_med_burmakitt.jpg Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:38:35 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Time Out In a message dated 1/11/2007 4:13:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gary@thepoppyseeds.com writes: Yesterday's London Time Out featured a "10 Things You Didn't Know About Robyn Hitchcock" article, basically an interview with him. I'm sure I've seen some of it before (e.g. how he met Peter Buck), but it did mention that the next Three Kings gig will be Sgt. Pepper. He also talked about coming up with wacky song titles and mentioned (amongst others) "Evil Duck"... haven't heard of this one before?! here's the entire article : Robyn Hitchcock: ten things (http://www.timeout.com/london/music/features/2465.html#) _http://www.timeout.com/london/music/features/2465.html_ (http://www.timeout.com/london/music/features/2465.html) (if you want to see the picture) Robyn Hitchcock Robyn Hitchcock was born in London 53 years ago. He formed The Soft Boys in 1976 and later fronted a solo project called The Egyptians. Both sold bugger-all but were enormously influential on the likes of The Replacements, Johnny Marr and, in particular, REM. He plays Islington Academy on Thursday b his backing band, The Venus 3, features Peter Buck from REM 1 Hebs known REM for yearsb& bI met Peter Buck in 1984. It was outside the Highgate branch of the Cat Protection League. He was looking to protect a cat. So was I. Anyway, we got talking and he had some of my records and we both liked the same b60s pop. Joe Boyd was recording them at a studio in Wood Green. I got a phone call from Peter: bHey Robyn, webre in back of Bejam, come join us.b Webve been in touch ever since, playing in each otherbs bands.b 2 His current band features half of REMb& bItbs very incestuous. Youbve got Peter Buck and Scott McCaughey and Ken Stringfellow, who are all in The Minus 5. You add Bill Rieflin from Ministry, and youbve got most of REM. Take away Ken and youbve got The Venus 3, my backing band. Then take away me and add Robert Fripp and a few others and youbve got Bill Rieflinbs Slow Music. There are lots of permutations. Itbs like Lego.b 3 He acted in a remake of bThe Manchurian Candidatebb& bThe director Jonathan Demme made a live film of me called bStorefront Hitchcockb, where I performed in the front of a New York shop. Then, a few years later, he needed someone to play an evil British villain in bThe Manchurian Candidateb. So he asked me. My character is supposed to have tortured Denzel Washingtonbs character during the first Iraq War, which I find hilarious. Ibm sure Denzel would make mincemeat of me.b 4 His song titles include bI Like Bananas Because They Have No Bonesbb& bI like to write songs with titles that have never and will never be used by anyone else. bWhere Are The Prawnsb, bI Wanna Be An Anglepoise Lampb, bItb s Not Just The Size Of A Walnutb, bMadonna Of The Waspsb, bEvil Duckbb&b 5 He describes his early stuff as bpsychedelic pub rockbb& bWe played psychedelic music but, you know, in pubs. We did try psychedelic light shows but our first bass player Matthew had problems with strobes. I was never into psychotropic drugs, it was more about the music. I could spend hours talking about this but essentially, I see psychedelia as something that changes when you look at it closely. b 6 Hebs more popular in Americab& bIbm not sure why. I think in Britain in the late b70s and early b80s there was a definite vision of what was wanted from a punk band. We played on punk bills but never really fitted in. We were seen as too proggy, and thus ideologically unsound, and too unashamed of being middle class. In America theyb re not really bothered about all that. Itbs all just rock music.b 7 He only sings in an English accent so we can hear himb& bPartly it was copying Syd Barrett b that flat, Home Counties delivery. I was also listening to a lot of traditional music b Ibm an absolute Martin Carthy obsessive. But I think that certain rock voices develop to cut through shitty PA systems. You need a certain beak in your voice to cut through the upper to mid range. Lennon had it. So did Dylan. I think thatbs why I sound so nasal when I sing. Actually, if I hear my voice in a shop I find it really annoying. bOpen your larynx, dammit!b I think. bSing like Spandau Ballet!b.b 8 His guilty pleasure is bsilly soul songsb from the 1970sb& bStuff like bThe Hustleb by Van McCoy, or bRock Your Babyb by George McRae. I hated them at the time, but I now appreciate them as elegant pieces of quality music. Theybre structured perfectly, like a Jane Austen novel.b 9 He makes a mean prawn curryb& bTherebs lot of garlic, cumin, turmeric, ginger and fried onions. Itbs made with a great deal of love.b 10 He often plays charity gigs at the Three Kings in Clerkenwellb& bTheybre for Medicins Sans Frontier and theybre organised by my wife Michele Noah, whobs an artist. We donbt publicise them because they sell out by word of mouth. I did one where we played the whole of bPiper At The Gates Of Dawnb and another where we performed bThe White Albumb in its entirety. Webre going to be doing bSgt Pepperb nextb&b Interview: John Lewis, Mon Jan 8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Time Out > 4. His song titles include "I Like Bananas Because > They Have No Bones" Which, of course, he didn't write.... "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:55:36 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: The Big Star Problem On 1/11/07, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > >> I'd still love a chance to seem them live. > > Eb came back with: > >I haven't seen them either...I missed a good chance somewhere around > >1993 or so, and a second chance hasn't arose beyond a large festival > bill. All Tomorrow's Parties, maybe? That was later, though. I saw that show. Much to my surprise, they were great, better than YFH-era who followed them. Far, far better than the '90's live CD would lead you to believe. Discovered Califone that same day, I think. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:23:53 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: The Big Problem On 1/11/07, Eb wrote: > > > This repeated "point" of yours is bewilderingly nonsensical. "You > can't have found my page, so you must have bookmarked it." Uh...how > could I bookmark it if I didn't "find" it first? Did a bookmark just > descend from the heavens? Duh. It could have been found when there was any information that identified it as my page. At the time you drew attention to it, there was no such information whatsoever. What about this don't you understand? If "primo" completely remakes his teenage web page over so that it has no information pertaining to him, a web search will not find it. Duh. But if "stalko" had bookmarked it before the change, he can still find it, even though it now has no content related even remotely to what stalko search for when he first found and bookmarked it. This is really basic stuff. > > How do you continue to fuel these delusions that MySpace pages resist > being found? Perhaps because in this case *no human being other than yourself found it on their own*? Even people who tried? > When material is written by "Spotted Eagle Ray" on MySpace when a > "Spotted Eagle Ray" is non-anonymously posting to a mailing list, > that material is not "anonymous" to anyone on that mailing list Um, nothing on that page was attributed to "Spotted Eagle Ray", nor did those terms, or anything related to my real name or any other previous alias appear there. The only place that phrase appeared was in the URL, and again, who searches a site like that by guessing URL's? No search functions on the site would direct you to that page using anything related to me. So you are, essentially, completely wrong on this one, pal. You bookmarked a derelict site of mine and apparently checked it frequently enough to see is brief afterlife as a stinkbomb to my ex. Nice work. Glad you don't spend much time thinking about me. In case you're wondering, nope, never been inspired to look for you on myspace. I get enough of you here. Done with this. Any other basic concepts you need help with? - -www.myspace.com/spottedagleray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:14:48 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: Agreed on the Neko case - ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:38:35 +0000 From: "Shane Apple" Subject: Re: Dolls Shane sez: I'm about 1/2 an inch from leaving the list. I know that would really have an impact. <...and...> I don't really get that Neko Case album. I thought it was OK when I heard it. Do I need to listen to it more and wait for it to grow on me? - - --Shane - --------------------------- Whew. I thought it was just me. As far as I'm concerned, Ms. Case is definitely worth owning, but you don't need her ouvre--they start to run together after awhile. I bought Fox Confessor because 1) I don't have anything else of hers and b) it was on sale. Hang in there, guys. This list still has plenty of chat about what's happening in music in general. Which is what the list is here for, innit? Oh yes, and just so I don't have to post again for another year--I have a binaural recording of the Chicago show that I'll put up on dimeadozen one of these days. Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:32:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Big Problem Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> This repeated "point" of yours is bewilderingly nonsensical. "You >> can't have found my page, so you must have bookmarked it." Uh...how >> could I bookmark it if I didn't "find" it first? Did a bookmark just >> descend from the heavens? > > Duh. It could have been found when there was any information that > identified it as my page. At the time you drew attention to it, > there was > no such information whatsoever. What about this don't you understand? > If "primo" completely remakes his teenage web page over so that it > has no > information pertaining to him, a web search will not find it. > Duh. But if > "stalko" had bookmarked it before the change, he can still find it, > even > though it now has no content related even remotely to what stalko > search for > when he first found and bookmarked it. This is really basic stuff. I do not understand why Retardo cannot understand that it does not require any "bookmarking" to remember a URL which is simplistically identical to his posting handle. Furthermore, I do not understand why "bookmarking" is the same thing as "stalking," but that's just another issue. Eb first saw page when contained information, before Retardo stripped it to its dregs in a hysterical snit. Later saw page again, post-snit. This is really basic stuff. >> The only place that phrase appeared was in the URL Oh? Only in the URL? Is THAT all? Wouldn't you rather go back to one of your other weighty topics to pick fights over, such as the time of day when I glued a CD, my taste in hats or the affrontery of posting information about a Hitchcock album which is three months old rather than brand-new? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:59:59 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: pruh-NUN-see-AY-shun >James Dignan provides a tale about typesetters running out of certain >letters for Fijian, Tongan, and Samoan. philip matthews provides information >about the pronunciation and spelling of those languages and says James's >story "is possible". Well, I did say "the story is..." indicating that this is the accepted, but not necessarily accurate, explanation often used. How apocryphal it is, I don't know. ISTR first reading in a book or article on the postal history of Tonga quite a number of years ago. As to the similarities and differences between the languages, and any glitches in my pronunciation, all I can add by way of defence is that my knowledge of them comes from a background in a country which has a Polynesian language as one of its official languages. Fijian is actually Melanesian, not Polynesian, so while there are great similarities, there are also some significant differences. Most (all?) Polynesian languages form words from syllables of the form CV, V, VV, and CVV, with all vowels pronounced and the few paired consonants regarded as individual letters (much like AE is regarded as one letter in older forms of English). I believe the same is true in Melanesian languages, though it is definitely not the case in Micronesian languages. FWIW, the Polynesian language I have most knowledge of (and most contact with), Maori, has only two ligatured consonants, "wh" and "ng", and the ng is very much as described by Philip. The best description I've heard of how to say it is to shape your mouth to say the letter "k" (lips open, back of tongue against roof of mouth) and then try to say an "n". The effect is not quite as pronounced (no pun intended) as the ng of sing, but close. It also, of course, varies very slightly with position in the word - in the place name Ngongotaha, for instance, it is quite common to hear a slightly stronger g in the second syllable than the first. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:03:27 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Agreed on the Neko case On 1/11/07, David Witzany wrote: > ----------------------------- > \ > > Whew. I thought it was just me. As far as I'm concerned, Ms. Case is > definitely worth owning, but you don't need her ouvre--they start to run > together after awhile. I bought Fox Confessor because 1) I don't have > anything else of hers and b) it was on sale. I actually think that "Blacklisted" is more of an immediate grabber than "Fox Confessor", although both are superb. "Furnace Room Lullaby" is almost as good, as is the "Canadian Amp" EP. Other stuff is less essential, contingent on your appetite for straight country... naturally, I like it all and am a big enough fan to have most of her guest shots on other peoples' records even, but I'd say anyone who even slightly likes "Fox Confessor" would do well to pick up "Blacklisted". - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:04:08 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: pruh-NUN-see-AY-shun (PS) >Most (all?) Polynesian languages form words from syllables of the >form CV, V, VV, and CVV, with all vowels pronounced and the few >paired consonants regarded as individual letters (much like AE is >regarded as one letter in older forms of English). I believe the >same is true in Melanesian languages, though it is definitely not >the case in Micronesian languages. This also explains the accuracy of the PA-ngo-pa-ngo pronunciation compared with the PANG-oh-pang-oh I wrote. The reason I did that was for ease of explanation, since I did not need to explain how "pang" or "oh" should be pronounced, whereas "ngo" would have required further comment. My comment was inaccurate as to the break between syllables, but to the untrained ear would sound virtually identical (and certainly a lot closer than "PAY-go-pay-go!) Jmaes - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:16:09 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: The Big Problem On 1/11/07, Eb wrote: > > > I do not understand why Retardo cannot understand that it does not > require any "bookmarking" to remember a URL which is simplistically > identical to his posting handle. I don't even look at URL's myself, much less commit them to memory. I don't think I'm unusual in this. And I do think that most people search that site, and indeed the internets themselves, by its search engines, not URL-guessing. Furthermore, I do not understand why > "bookmarking" is the same thing as "stalking," but that's just > another issue. You claim to be completely disinterested in my personal life, yet you memorized the URL of a web page that I hadn't updated for a year, and of whose existence I has pretty much forgotten during that time? Dude, it's *myspace*. The only reason to be there is if you have a band to flog, for which purpose I have an unrelated site, or you're 13, either chronologically or mentally, so I never really did much with that page. At a guess, you spent more time thinking about it than me. Eb first saw page when contained information, before Retardo stripped > it to its dregs in a hysterical snit. Later saw page again, post-snit. This, again, doesn't fit with your old claims to not care about me, really, does it? But I guess your position on that has changed: lately you claim to know more about me and my mental state than I myself do. > Wouldn't you rather go back to one of your other weighty topics to > pick fights over, such as the time of day when I glued a CD, Joke. my taste > in hats Joke. or the affrontery of posting information about a Hitchcock > album which is three months old rather than brand-new? Joke. Eb Joke. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:00:21 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Big Problem Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > I do not understand why Retardo cannot understand that it does not > require any "bookmarking" to remember a URL which is simplistically > identical to his posting handle. > > I don't even look at URL's myself, much less commit them to > memory. I don't think I'm unusual in this. And I do think that > most people search that site, and indeed the internets themselves, > by its search engines, not URL-guessing. Repeat for Retardo: "Guessing" was not involved. And I suspect "committing to memory" the "spottedeagleray" URL of a guy commonly using the handle "Spotted Eagle Ray" is well within the cognitive powers of most humans. I also happen to recall that the MySpace URL of the band Bound Stems is http://www.myspace.com/boundstems, and I don't even enjoy the band or wish to visit their page again. Miraculous! I guess I must be obsessively stalking them too. > yet you memorized the URL of a web page that I hadn't updated for a > year "Memorized." Uh huh. I can't believe you're actually attempting to sustain this argument. > The only reason to be there is if you have a band to flog, for > which purpose I have an unrelated site, or you're 13, either > chronologically or mentally, so I never really did much with that > page. You forgot about its usefulness for childishly screaming at one's ex- wife. > Eb > > Joke. > > -SER Jackass. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:14:43 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: Re: Agreed on the Neko case one time at band camp, David Witzany (witzany@uiuc.edu) said: >Oh yes, and just so I don't have to post again for another year--I have >a binaural recording of the Chicago show that I'll put up on dimeadozen >one of these days. neko has asked dime not to distribute her recordings, so you might not want to do that. other trackers such as thetradersden.org might be a better option. +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:20:17 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reaps Robert Anton Wilson Harry Horse - musician, political cartoonist, illustrator, children's book author, banjo player - in an apparent euthanasia-suicide pact: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:23:07 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: The Big Problem is 0% RH On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Eb wrote: > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: ...ad infinitum... Doesn't matter who said what or who said it first. Take it off list boys. Sheesh. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:11:26 -0500 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: listmania here's the list of new albums that i heard in the last year (alphabetized by last letter, of course): prince - 3121robyn hitchcock and the venus 3 - ole tarantulasonic youth - rather rippedneko case - fox confessor brings the floodg love - lemonadetonya donnelly - this hungry lifekt tunstall - eye to the telescoperegina spektor - begin to hopemichael franti and spearhead - yell firewho - endless wirepaul simon - supriseu2 - zoo tv livepearl jam - pearl jamred hot chili peppers - stadium arcadiumtv on the radio - return to cookie mountainbruce springsteen - we shall overcome: the seeger sessions american land edition beck - the informationcoup - pick a bigger weaponbob dylan - modern timescibelle - the shine of dried electric leavesneil diamond - 12 songsjack johnson - in between dreamsmaria mckee - - peddlin' dreamswee hairy beasties - animal crackersyo la tengo - i am not afraid of you and i will beat your ass tool - 10000 daysjoanna newsom - y'svarious artists - a rogue's gallery: pirate ballads, sea songs, & chanteys cat power - the greatestjolie holland - springtime can kill youmountain goats - get lonely thanks to emusic and napster i have been able to listen to a lot more music recentlyand here are other artists from whom i've checked out some singles and have like what i heard: camera obscuraweird al yankovicnatasha bedingfieldthe knifethom yorkeali farka tourekaki kingarkisobel cambellphillips and warehambelle and sebastianlily allenwillie nelsonojos de brujoimogen heapgoldfrappwolfmotherjohn mayerhidden camerasbrand new heaviesfagsyeah yeah yeahssufjan stevensjenny lewisdresden dollsflaming lipsscissor sisterstom waitsrootsbeirutgnarls barkleymorrissey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:35:48 -0500 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: the return of the son of listmania here's the list of new albums that i heard in the last year (alphabetized by last letter, of course): prince - 3121 robyn hitchcock and the venus 3 - ole tarantula sonic youth - rather ripped neko case - fox confessor brings the flood g love - lemonade tonya donnelly - this hungry life kt tunstall - eye to the telescope regina spektor - begin to hope michael franti and spearhead - yell fire who - endless wire paul simon - suprise u2 - zoo tv live pearl jam - pearl jam red hot chili peppers - stadium arcadium tv on the radio - return to cookie mountain bruce springsteen - we shall overcome: the seeger sessions american land edition beck - the information coup - pick a bigger weapon bob dylan - modern times cibelle - the shine of dried electric leaves neil diamond - 12 songs jack johnson - in between dreams maria mckee - peddlin' dreams wee hairy beasties - animal crackers yo la tengo - i am not afraid of you and i will beat your ass tool - 10000 days joanna newsom - y's various artists - a rogue's gallery: pirate ballads, sea songs, & chanteys cat power - the greatest jolie holland - springtime can kill you mountain goats - get lonely thanks to emusic and napster i have been able to listen to a lot more music recentlyand here are other artists from whom i've checked out some singles and have liked what i heard: camera obscura weird al yankovic natasha bedingfield the knife thom yorke ali farka toure kaki king ark isobel cambell phillips and wareham belle and sebastian lily allen willie nelson ojos de brujo imogen heap goldfrapp wolfmother john mayer hidden cameras brand new heavies fags yeah yeah yeahs sufjan stevens jenny lewis dresden dolls flaming lips scissor sisters tom waits roots beirut gnarls barkley morrissey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Type your favorite song. 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