From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #288 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 28 2006 Volume 15 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A to Z [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: A to Z ["Bri N" ] Robbie, Charles, Sewell and Quail [matt sewell ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] E-Mail sign-offs [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: A to Z [Dolph Chaney ] [bot-dimeadozen-org] NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 - KEXP (uncompressed stream) - November 26, 2006 [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #287 ["Mark P" ] Re: A to Z [2fs ] Re: 9/11 and such ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: A to Z ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] RE: A to Z ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: A to Z [Christopher Gross ] Re: A to Z [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: A to Z [2fs ] RE: A to Z ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: A to Z [matt sewell ] Re: A to Z [Christopher Gross ] Re: A to Z ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] RE: A to Z [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Re: A to Z [FSThomas ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:58:29 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: A to Z - --On 28. November 2006 00:46:01 -0800 Capuchin wrote: > crap like Lost (which clearly is NOT written with a planned multi-season > arc so much as slapped together from one unforeseeable and unreasonable > spastic plot convulsion to the next). Which is precisely why I stopped watching it. Studio 60, on the other hand, has improved for the last few episodes. I have renewed hope for it. I'm still on the fence regarding Heroes, which is billed as a Lost clone. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:35:25 -0800 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: A to Z Nuppy's List: Ayers, Roy Beatles Captain Sensible dB's ELO Firehose Marvin Gaye Hitchcock! The Invisible Jamiroquai The Karelia Love Monochrome Set New Musik Of Montreal Jose Padilla (anyone hear his album "Souvenir"? Wow.) Q?? Raining Pleasure Squeeze They Might Be Giants (the 1st 2 albums have been in my car) U2 Velvet Underground Would Be Goods XTC Yes Zero Zero ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:09:16 +0000 From: matt sewell Subject: Robbie, Charles, Sewell and Quail The words of Robbie Burns are always welcome 'round these parts... and I notice you've referred to me just by my surname - as a committed Yankophile this is a brilliant thing for me, something I've always dreamed of... maybe people just using my surname because I'm a detective with my own TV show (though Sewell, a dick: something surely considered many times by many before me...). I did find it rather disappointing that you relied on someone else's words as your reaction to my (very gentle) piss-take. While you're wise to stuff your craw with all that falls from wondrous old plants and trees as you peck around their roots, but it's quite clear you're incapable of significant flights (of fancy)... I would recommend, without malice, that you place yourself where Englishmen prefer you: stuffed inside a capon stuffed inside a turkey... none for me though - I'm veggie! Yours ever Sewell (though I did like Alan Batross... "Qui hante la tempjte et se rit de l'archer; Exili sur le sol au milieu des huies, Ses ailes de giant l'empjchent de marcher." as, I'm sure you're aware, Baudelaire said) > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:58:46 -0500> Subject: Re: Here's all it really is, I figure> From: quail@libyrinth.com> To: fegmaniax@smoe.org> > This from Capuchin, of all people:> > > Nobody has the right to attempt adjustments on other> > people's egos without permission> > And not only is it arrogant and stupid to think you have the understanding> > and skill necessary to effectively and constructively apply such an> > adjustment, the belief that you have the insight and objectivity necessary> > to assess the need of such a thing is beyond sane.> > This from Sewell, about a week or two after I've posted anything at all:> > > Glad that you like the fegslist too... although of course it's not as great as> > it was 10 years ago... oh no... back in those days I was worshipped like a god> > on this list, posting several articles so hilariously surreal that they saw a> > few fellow fegs actually die with laughter. Of course it's pearls before swine> > these days, the try-hard so-called "humourists" of this list posting> > Unamerican bile that is frankly pitiable... Spotted Eagle? It's not even a> > REAL BIRD!> > > > Thankfully I am appreciated on better, more literary lists - I've moved on,> > only come here to see what I've thankfully left behind...> > This from Rex, who recently, in a fit of pique, deliberately made public a> private email that I sent him off-list:> > > But that last thing I sent to Eb was MEANT TO BE OFFLIST. If he's in a big> > enough tizzy to have accidentally posted that to the list, then jeez, I> > won't even respond to him in that context. Not good for anyone, is it?> > This from Jeff, who was quiet when Rex did the above:> > > Please don't post responses to private e-mails to you onlist. The rest of us> > have better things to do, thank you.> > And this from Robert Burns:> > O would some Power the gift to give us> To see ourselves as others see us!> It would from many a blunder free us,> And foolish notion:> What airs in dress and gait would leave us,> And even devotion!> > --Quail _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911 fb2b2e6d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:26:29 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Alan "Fluff" Freeman, DJ, 79. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:02:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: E-Mail sign-offs Hi, the other day I read this NYT article: It's about the way people end e-mails, mostly in business settings. I was surprised that among the many exampes given, both good and bad, there were none that I commonly use. Now I wonder if it's really me being out of touch or whether all these people are just over the top. I've never used "Best", "Warmly" or "xoxo"! I use "Cheers" or "Greetings" in casual mails and "Kind regards" when it's supposed to be more formal. So, what do you all use? I don't think I have seen many sign-off on-list but I suppose that's only natural. Your humble servant, Sebastian - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:12:17 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: A to Z American Music Club Brainiac John Cale Daniel Amos Elbow Marianne Faithfull Patty Griffin John Wesley Harding Charles Ives Japan King Crimson Low Morphine NEU! Over The Rhine Robert Pollard Quasi Josh Ritter Sugar Talk Talk Uncle Tupelo Vigilantes Of Love Lucinda Williams XTC Yo La Tengo The Zombies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:24:10 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: [bot-dimeadozen-org] NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 - KEXP (uncompressed stream) - November 26, 2006 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=123181&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 123181 Title: Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 - KEXP (uncompressed stream) - November 26, 2006 Size: 295.82 MB Category: Rock'n'Roll Uploaded by: mycarrion Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 KEXP VIP Club Show November 26, 2005 Host: Cheryl Waters The Triple Door Seattle, WA Uncompressed stream 44.1KHz PCM webcast(WMA lossless at 1411.2 kb/s)>Total Recorder>Audition>CD Wave>Flac Band: Robyn Hitchcock Bill Rieflin Peter Buck Scott McCaughey Sean Nelson KEXP Intro Band Intro Adventure Rocket Ship Interlude Queen of Eyes Ole! Tarantula Dear Prudence N.Y. Doll Jewels for Sophia Interlude Madonna of the Wasps Interlude Flesh Number One (Beatle Dennis) Interlude (A Man's Gotta Know His Limitations) Briggs Interlude Underground Sun KEXP Outro All hail KEXP. The first, and perhaps only, performance of the Venus 4 with KEXP's Sean Nelson (also singer/keyboardist for Seattle's own Harvey Danger) joining the band. It's a full turkey dinner, complete with leftovers. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:27:44 -0500 From: "Mark P" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #287 > >Ups And Downs, The > > I thought I was the only person on the planet to have heard of these > guys! Any idea whether the "Sleepless" EP has ever been released on > CD? > > James > - -- > Ha. Yeah, that's one that SEVERELY fell through the gap, eh? One of my all timers, that one. Ups & Downs. Um, Greg Atkinson, the singer/bassist A brother who wound up in the fabulous Big Heavy Stuff, well, he and another guy from that band compiled everything including the Sleepless material, the material prior and the stuff not done for the Mushroom label subsequent and released a limited two disc home baked compile they entitled Anthology. So, it was released on ceedee, kind of. I love(d) that band, started up a Myspace page for them in my quest to bring love and light to all those forgotten bands o'yore and it's gotten a nice response. Remember the Marty Willson-Piper-like hyphenated/Rickenbackerist in the band? Peter Hamilton-Shaw...? Well, his sister, Elizabeth Shaw signed on and I found out the Shaw family are indeed hyphen deprived. He dug Mart and The Church and since Us and Ds were so Churchy at the time of their inception he simply lashed a hyphen in between his middle name which is Hamilton and their Shaw handle proper. Pretty cool, eh? Back to Big Heavy Stuff. You know that band I'd reckon as well, eh, James? They were spotty up to their Size Of The Ocean release about five years ago but that one, man! Size Of The Ocean slots in nicely w/Sleepless. Heavier stuff, yeah, gone the *abject* jangle and chime once Ups & Downs, gone too the dink once Big Heavy Stuff ...but... those atmospherics as SO there. BHS fully realised thier full potential w/that release! Us and Ds as well kind of jettisoned said abject jangle and chime after their Sleepless phase. Their Underneath The Watchful Eye was a huge departure from all that. Began sounding a little too Midnight Oil for my ears. But man, what a run -for me anyway- that band had in their heyday. There's songs o'er that Myspace thing. http://www.myspace.com/upsanddownsau I have the video for their "Living Kind" tune but I cant shrink it down and load it over Youtube as I'd like to embed on the page too, alas. Enough from me. m ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:56:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/28/06, Capuchin wrote: > > > But really, it's hard to argue for a surname organization scheme unless > you're very concerned with understanding the actual parentage of the > participants so as not to do too much inbreeding (or you're extremely > patriarchal). And I can't understand any reasoning that puts Elvis > Costello under "C" rather than where the conscious choice of name intended > him to be placed: right next to Elvises Presley and Hitler. Iggy Pop also > wasn't chosen so that the man could be referenced as "Mr. Pop" or "Pop, > Iggy". You lose the spirit of the thing when you do that. Except that the punk rocker who calls himself "Bob Colostomy" clearly attributes more significance to his fake surname than to his (possibly real) first name. Alphabetizing by, essentially, the "meaning" of the name creates all kinds of ambiguities (similar to the "the" problem Eb points out between snipes). So, anybody got some non-stupid reasoning for filing people by their last > names? Sure, you get lucky with someone like Morrissey, but end up fucked > when someone like Madonna or Cher (or maybe someone of lesser stature) > chooses to use their full name. The other problem is (and again, I can't think of a real example - my brain's not fully awake yet) is when William decides he's now Bill: do you separate his collection into two places? I try to keep albums by the same artist (and associates) together - so all my Elvis Costello stuff is under "C" for Costello (and chronological within the entry - my preference) regardless of how it's billed, including collaborators. (That approach raises problems only when collaborators are co-equal and both are represented well in my collection: see Eno-Cale, Eno-Byrne, Eno-Fripp, etc., in which case I'll usually go with however it's billed on the sleeve, since the "same artist together" rule will be broken regardless of my choice.) You're certainly correct in noting that it's a tradition - but I think the logic of the tradition is that surnames are less malleable than first names or nicknames. This notion falls utterly into the ditch given the cultural tradition of women changing their names upon marriage, however. Fortunately, most female artists don't (at least not in their professional lives). (Incidentally, I file numbers as if they're written out...because bands tend to be inconsistent as to whether they use a digit or a letter: see "16 Horsepower" vs. "Sixteen Horsepower") Of course, it hardly matters: it's your collection; you can organize it however you want, given that it's you who needs to find your own music! If Eb actually wanted to file his collection alphabetically by second letter, hey, whatever works. A friend of mine once arranged her collection by color of spine: it looked cool as fuck, but it was *very* hard to remember where anything was. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:38:58 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: 9/11 and such On 11/16/06, Eb wrote: > > My big discovery of the past week is blogs which post entire albums. > Wow! I've heard (or will hear) some pretty arcane psych/UK folk/prog > stuff which I wondered if I'd ever hear at all. Just now saw this. Wow. I posted the exact same discovery two months ago and thought I was behind the curve. There are some good ones. I would almost consider starting one myself if I had the time... I have a lotta shit I ripped from vinyl that's never been on CD. Alas. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:50:30 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: A to Z Wow, it's High Fidelity all over again! Re: band-name definite articles which come and go like chimera: since I simply refer to Smashing Pumpkins as "shit I wouldn't let near my record collection", that's easy. Pixies are usually just plain Pixies. But the one that drives me 'round the bend is (The) Verlaines, who have almost equal amounts of releases with and without the The. (No, they don't collaborate with Matt Johnson half the time... you know what I mean.) I've noticed that Gracenote appears to have decided the guy's name is "John Mellencamp" and appended his then-current name to each record (e.g. John Mellencamp's albume "John Cougar Mellencamp Big Daddy"). Needless to say I disapprove. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:17:36 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: A to Z Jeff wrote: > So, anybody got some non-stupid reasoning for filing people by their last > > names? Sure, you get lucky with someone like Morrissey, but end up > fucked > > when someone like Madonna or Cher (or maybe someone of lesser stature) > > chooses to use their full name. > > > The other problem is (and again, I can't think of a real example - my > brain's not fully awake yet) is when William decides he's now Bill: do you > separate his collection into two places? I try to keep albums by the same > artist (and associates) together - so all my Elvis Costello stuff is under > "C" for Costello (and chronological within the entry - my preference) > regardless of how it's billed, including collaborators. (That approach > raises problems only when collaborators are co-equal and both are > represented well in my collection: see Eno-Cale, Eno-Byrne, Eno-Fripp, > etc., > in which case I'll usually go with however it's billed on the sleeve, > since > the "same artist together" rule will be broken regardless of my choice.) Of course, surnames present an issue as well when you have people like John Cougar Mellencamp who can't decide if he's a Cougar, a Mellencamp, or a Cougar Mellencamp. > Of course, it hardly matters: it's your collection; you can organize it > however you want, given that it's you who needs to find your own music! If > Eb actually wanted to file his collection alphabetically by second letter, > hey, whatever works. A friend of mine once arranged her collection by > color > of spine: it looked cool as fuck, but it was *very* hard to remember where > anything was. I think this is the key, and where I disagree with Jeme--there is no possible solution to how to categorize your collection that doesn't involve at least an element of arbitrariness, so asking for a "non-stupid" reason adds an unnecessary level of judgement. First names can vary, last names can vary, band names can have a "the" in front or not, etc. What is important about any sort of taxonomy be useful to the set of all humans that need to use that taxonomy--it's a tool, and nothing more. Since I doubt Jeme will be in my house any time soon, the fact that I use a different taxonomy than he does should mean nothing to him (why he is concerned, I'm not sure, although Eb had one possible answer that was probably a bit harsh). Now if Jeme and I had to share a library, it would matter, but since my library only has to be a way for me to store and retrieve music for myself, I only have to have a system that works for me and that Jeme thinks my taxonomy is "stupid" is about as meaningful to me as someone who thinks I'm stupid for using a QWERTY keyboard instead of a Dvorak keyboard that may make me .3% more efficient if only I could totally relearn how to type. It's a neat and non-useful opinion, and at the end of the day I still don't have a reason to change, so onward I go with my "backward" taxonomy of filing by last names and dividing out into three major categories: rock/pop, jazz and classical. I think at the end of the day the reason this thread comes up about once a year and always has such good participation is because there are no stupid or non-stupid answers, just more or less unique answers. Personally, I think it's pretty cool that someone would align by spine color, not stupid. It's not my cup of tea because I value efficiency over artistic display, but that doesn't mean I'm right for that value. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: A to Z On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > > > > > "os" is a definite article: please choose a different "O". > > It is/was my understanding that "Os", in Portuguese and in this context, > meant "Those" or "Them" rather than "The" (from the phrase "dentre os > mutantes"). I don't know much, but I do know that "os" is definitely Portuguese for "the" (masculine plural). This/these would be isto/estes, and that/those would be isso/aqueles. In certain usages it might be *translated* as "those" or "them," but in the original Portuguese it is definitely a definite article. In the past few years I've stopped trying to orginize my music according to any all-encompassing set of rules, and instead just go by whatever I'll remember. For example, Egyptians albums and solo Robyn both go under H, while the Soft Boys go under S, just because that's the way I privately think of them. Raw Power goes under S for Stooges, just because I think of it as a Stooges album and not an Iggy album. And Die Krupps and Die Kreuzen go under D, though I sometimes fear I'm going to hell for it. My only real rule is that nothing is ever filed under the English word "the." I've also mostly given up on keeping each artists' discs in date order, as I did in the past. In fact, these days I'm doing well if I reshelve my CDs at all. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: A to Z The Afghan Whigs; The Beatles; The Cure; The Bob Dylan; Echo & The Bunnymen; The Finn Brothers; The Go-Betweens some syd barrett wannabe; Interpol; Joy Division; The Kinks; Luna; Kirsty MacColl; New Order; Roy Orbison; Pixies ; R.E.M.; The Smiths; Talking Heads; U2; The Velvet Underground; Tom Waits; XTC; Neil Young; "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:51:17 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/28/06, Marc Alberts wrote: > > > I think this is the key, and where I disagree with Jeme--there is no > possible solution to how to categorize your collection that doesn't > involve > at least an element of arbitrariness, so asking for a "non-stupid" reason > adds an unnecessary level of judgement. > > I think at the end of the day the reason this thread comes up about once a > year and always has such good participation is because there are no stupid > or non-stupid answers, just more or less unique answers. > The thread sometimes comes up at the beginning of the day, or at the middle of the day, or even at night. (But never at dusk.) Anyway, to continue in my detail-obsessed mode for a while: non- single-artist compilations, soundtracks, etc., have their own section, alpha by title (filed after the regular alphabet physically...although because I use the abbreviation "[v/a]" in my database, they show up first there). Classical releases? I am a total freak. Because there's no clear way to file by composer, performer, orchestra, etc. (because the priority isn't always the same), I actually file alpha by *label* and within label by catalog number. Fortunately, I don't have *that* many classical CDs...and fortunately, I simply remember that I have to make mental note of the label if I want to be able to find the damned thing. Or I just consult my database: "now where is that damned Messiaen two-piano thing?" - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:54:12 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: A to Z Subject: Re: A to Z Au Pairs Belle & Sebastian John Coltrane Bob Dylan Echo & The Bunneymen Fairport Convention Go-Betweens Robyn Hitchcock Chris Issak Joy Division Kraftwerk Love My Bloody Valentine NEU! Only Ones Gram Parsons Ike Quebec R.E.M. Sprinsteen Talking Heads Ultra Vivid Scene Velvet Underground Lucinda Williams X Neil Young The Zombies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:54:49 +0000 From: matt sewell Subject: RE: A to Z Must say I'm surprised not to see any Warren Zevon in the Zs - it's not all Zappa y'know... Cheers Matt > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:33:53 -0800> From: munki1972@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A to Z> To: fegmaniax@smoe.org> > The Afghan Whigs; The Beatles; The Cure; The Bob> Dylan; Echo & The Bunnymen; The Finn Brothers; The> Go-Betweens> some syd barrett wannabe; Interpol; Joy Division; The> Kinks; Luna; Kirsty MacColl; New Order; Roy Orbison;> Pixies> ; R.E.M.; The Smiths; Talking Heads; U2;> The Velvet Underground; Tom Waits; XTC; Neil Young; own no Zs>> > > > "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the> other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann> > .> > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ _______> Want to start your own business?> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911 fb2b2e6d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: A to Z Eb, if you don't want Skinny Puppy for your K entry, perhaps you'd like Ikon instead? - --Chris "No vampires. Bunch of school kids in heavy mascara listening to extremely silly music." --Giles, "Anne" (Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 3 episode 1) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:12:19 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/28/06, matt sewell wrote: > > Must say I'm surprised not to see any Warren Zevon in the Zs - it's not > all > Zappa y'know... I have almost every Zevon record, and zero Zappa. Zowee! - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:12:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: A to Z - -- matt sewell is rumored to have mumbled on 28. November 2006 17:54:49 +0000 regarding RE: A to Z: > Must say I'm surprised not to see any Warren Zevon in the Zs - it's not > all Zappa y'know... I *have* both Zappa and Zevon, but if I have to pick one over the other it's gonna be Zappa. There were some letters with lots of choices and others where I had barely anything. I was surprised by the scarcity of bands starting with I ... all I have is: I Am Kloot Icehouse Ideal Billy Idol Natalie Imbruglia Interpol Invece INXS Mark Isham There's nothing I *really* love in that bunch and I took Ideal, because they're cool and nobody else will know them :-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:36:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z > Eb, if you don't want Skinny Puppy for your K entry, perhaps you'd > like > Ikon instead? > > The best name which popped in my head was Okkervil River. But I'm not quite a fan. Get a couple of Incredible String Band albums, Sebastian. Which brings me full circle because the ISB was the subject of my first post on this list.... And I grimace when people sign off with the truncated "Best." Hate it. Hard to verbalize why, but I do. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:39:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z The man they invented the term "bloody-minded" for: > Well, trying to ignore for a moment your senseless baiting Well, you pull this same move over and over and over. These posts where you wax "genuinely puzzled" that there's anyone who could believe something different from the obviously correct beliefs which you yourself hold. > the whole section of records with artists whose names start with > "John" obviously DOES get separated into last name groupings... > that's what happens when names match up to a certain point in an > alphabetized system. John Brown goes after John Adams. No problem > there. Right. So you're alphabetizing by last name anyway. >> For his next stunt, Jeme attempts to prove that Elvis Costello >> chose his moniker in order to filed next to Elvis Hitler. > > He clearly chose the name "Elvis" for the cultural context carried > by the name and all things associated with the name. He picked it > as much for its description of the artist from Tupelo as its > association with all dross and dreck done in association with the > name and the image. Filing Costello next to Hitler enriches that > context and deepens the meaning. Few people besides you are "filing" Elvis Hitler at all anymore, so the point is trivial. And it doesn't "enrich" diddly anyway. Even the Presley resonance has nothing to do with where the albums are *filed* - -- they have a common name. All associations begin and end with the name. No record racks required. > But really, you should probably credit Arrested Development for the > clever (and incessant) use of flashbacks before crap like Lost Yeah, because everyone wants to imitate shows which were a step from being cancelled throughout their entire run. And anyway, I don't think Arrested Development pushed flashbacks as a trademark style point. The stories just jumped around, period. Whether into the past, or into a present location across town. And there wasn't the same gimmick of teasingly using flashbacks to slowly resolve unanswered questions. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:57:46 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: A to Z Looking at recent playings via iTunes: Astrud Gilberto Billy Bragg Camera Obscura David Gilmour Elvis Costello Field Mice, The Gnarls Barkley Half Man Half Buscuit I Am The World Trade Center Juliana Hatfield Kruder & Dorfmeister Lorelei Mareva Galanter New Pornographers, The Orchids, The Pink Floyd (soooo typical) Quincy Jones Richard Thompson Saint Etienne Tapes 'n Tapes UK Subs Velvet Underground, The Wedding Present, The Xavier Cugat Yeah Yeah Yeahs Zero 7 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #288 ********************************