From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #287 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 28 2006 Volume 15 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A to Z [2fs ] RE: A to Z ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #286 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: A to Z [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Reap ["Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" ] Re: Ray Lamontagne [djini@voicenet.com] Re: A to Z [2fs ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Re: Reap [2fs ] RE: A to Z ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: A to Z [2fs ] Re: A to Z ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Reap ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Reap [2fs ] Re: Reap [2fs ] re: a to z ["ken ostrander" ] RE: A to Z ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: Andy Partridge interview up at Amazon [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: A to Z [Capuchin ] Re: A to Z [Capuchin ] Re: A to Z [Eb ] Re: Here's all it really is, I figure [Capuchin ] Decemberists on Letterman [Capuchin ] Re: 9/11 and such [Capuchin ] Re: A to Z [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:16:16 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/27/06, Eb wrote: > > > G: dunno Does Iggy count? Some band with "Egg-" in its name? K: dunno MK Ultra (John Vanderslice's old band)? Skeleton Key? The Sky Drops (Monica Bullette and Rob Montejo) do some pretty good shoegazer-type stuff... Z: dunno Do not suggest Ozric Tentacles. Or ZZ Top. I've got nothing, otherwise. I thought it was kind of a stale question, so I did it by second > letter instead. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:16:29 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: A to Z > I thought it was kind of a stale question, so I did it by second > letter instead. Yeah, right. I happen to know for a fact you're incapable of alphabetizing any other way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:06:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z > MK Ultra (John Vanderslice's old band)? Skeleton Key? The Sky Drops > (Monica > Bullette and Rob Montejo) do some pretty good shoegazer-type stuff... I do have compilation tracks by Johnson Mkhalali, Ekome and Patrick Mkwamba. But I haven't heard much by that prog group Egg. Iggy and Ozzy, dey no count. > Z: dunno > > Do not suggest Ozric Tentacles. Or ZZ Top. I've got nothing, > otherwise. Hey, I know. Except I don't own any of his solo albums: Holger Czukay. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:27:35 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #286 >From: "Mark P" > >Ups And Downs, The I thought I was the only person on the planet to have heard of these guys! Any idea whether the "Sleepless" EP has ever been released on CD? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: A to Z Eb wrote: > Iggy and Ozzy, dey no count. Raw Power _was_ credited to Iggy & The Stooges, not to just the The Stooges.... "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:29:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z > Eb wrote: >> Iggy and Ozzy, dey no count. > > Raw Power _was_ credited to Iggy & The Stooges, not to > just the The Stooges.... Who do you know who filed it under "I"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:54:02 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" Subject: Reap Guys...girls...the wait is over: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=11319 xo Lauren - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Ray Lamontagne Michael B. wrote, > > Any thoughts on Ray Lamontagne? A big ol' meh from me, and I usually have some patience for the agonizingly sensitive soulful crooner (see: Alexi Murdoch). It could be because he's one of wxpn's darlings and they played the crap out of a few tracks from the first album, "Trouble" in particular. The new album is supposed to be a huge departure in style but... not so much, based on what they are currently playing the crap out of. "Be Here Now" just makes me want to turn it off and go listen to "Within You Without You". Also, since I mostly listen to the radio in a distracted kind of way at work, during the heavy "Trouble" rotation period I was convinced the name was Rayla Montagne because the wxpn DJs always run his name together with no emphasis. I kept vaguely thinking, "Wow, that woman has a strange voice." Then I felt stupid and oddly resentful. But listen to "Trouble" and you'll see, I swear! However, a free show is a free show. Maybe he's electrifying, live! I suggest coffee first, though, just in case. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:56:28 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/27/06, Eb wrote: > > > Eb wrote: > >> Iggy and Ozzy, dey no count. > > > > Raw Power _was_ credited to Iggy & The Stooges, not to > > just the The Stooges.... > > Who do you know who filed it under "I"? Nowadays, all my Iggy stuff is under "P"...but if I'm not mistaken, the first two Stooges albums were billed simply to "The Stooges" (and thus would have been filed under "S" at the time), while _Raw Power_ might well have been filed (initially, at least) under "I" before Iggy established his solo career. Given that lots of folks were alphabetizing using articles, or by first name, dammit, I say "Iggy" counts as second-letter-g unless a better artist can be found. Nice suggestion on Holger Czukay, btw - overlooked that one. Next: the Fegs' crossword puzzle! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:11:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z > dammit, I say "Iggy" counts as second-letter-g unless a better artist > can be found. I ain't a-countin' him. T'aint his real name anyways. Ugly Casanova is OK, but I can't say anything nice about Ugly Kid Joe. And I've never heard this at all: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/ amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:8fmsa9rgw230 Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:35:41 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Reap On 11/27/06, Lauren Elizabeth (gmail) wrote: > > Guys...girls...the wait is over: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=11319 Anderson should make replicas of her breasts for retail sale - they'd be just as realistic sitting on a shelf as they are on her chest. And what are those two *things* crawling above her nose, where normal people have eyes? And someone should tell Kid Rock that his trailer-park pimp look isn't fashionable any more... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:02:59 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: A to Z > > Do not suggest Ozric Tentacles. Or ZZ Top. And I will not suggest Aztec Camera. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:36:23 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/27/06, Eb wrote: > > > dammit, I say "Iggy" counts as second-letter-g unless a better artist > > can be found. > > I ain't a-countin' him. T'aint his real name anyways. I call "Bob Zimmerman" for Z then. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:48:48 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: A to Z On 11/27/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Nowadays, all my Iggy stuff is under "P"...but if I'm not mistaken, the > first two Stooges albums were billed simply to "The Stooges" (and thus > would > have been filed under "S" at the time), while _Raw Power_ might well have > been filed (initially, at least) under "I" before Iggy established his > solo > career. I keep "Raw Power" under S. Either by Iggy's then-current last name or because 2/3 of The Stooges' output was credited to just the Stooges. Solo Iggy (Pop) is just largely a different animal to me. Can of worms no matter how you look at it, but I know where to find my Stooges records so I'm happy. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:50:58 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Reap On 11/27/06, 2fs wrote: > > On 11/27/06, Lauren Elizabeth (gmail) wrote: > those two *things* crawling above her nose, where normal people have eyes? > > And someone should tell Kid Rock that his trailer-park pimp look isn't > fashionable any more... Any more? I'm not sure Anderson is, nor has ever been, by any reasonable measure, homo sapien. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Reap "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" wrote: > Guys...girls...the wait is over: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=11319 They were married? I thought they broke up aeons ago. "I believe in the marketplace of ideas even if the other guy doesn't have any." -- Keith Olbermann . Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:13:53 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Reap On 11/27/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > On 11/27/06, 2fs wrote: > > > > On 11/27/06, Lauren Elizabeth (gmail) wrote: > > those two *things* crawling above her nose, where normal people have > > eyes? > > > > > I'm not sure Anderson is, nor has ever been, by any reasonable measure, homo > sapien. > You don't want to classify her like an animal in a zoo. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:14:43 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Reap On 11/27/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" > wrote: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=11319 > > They were married? I thought they broke up aeons ago. You're probably thinking of one of the other sleazy crappy musicians she's been married to. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:13:34 -0500 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: re: a to z >>>I'm looking to see what the average guy or gal in cyberspace would choose as their top artists A-Z<<<<< a abba / tori amos b beatles / bowie / bjork / beck / bragg / blondie / beach boys / beastie boys / buckley / big star c clash / costello / cure / clapton / csny / george clinton / camper van / chumbawamba d dylan / duran / di franco / doors e echo / eno / eurythmics f fall / fleetwood mac / franti / aretha franklin g gabriel / genesis / grateful dead / gaye / guided by voices / godfathers / g love h hitchcock / pj harvey / hendrix / husker du / heart i inxs j janis / jane's addiction / jesus & mary chain / joy division k alicia keys / kinks l led zeppelin / le tigre / the like m mekons / marley / van morrison / midnight oil / madonna / maria mckee / moby / moby grape / manic street preachers n new order / olivia newton-john / laura nyro / nirvana o shuggie otis / sinead o'connor / olivia tremor control p presley / prince / pretenders / pink floyd / police / pixies / pearl jam / public enemy / psych furs / phair q queen r stones / radiohead / r.e.m. / roxy / ramones / richman / replacements / rundgren / roots / chili peppers s smiths / springsteen / sonic youth / sleater kinney / st etienne / paul simon / simple minds / santana / sly & the family / stooges / elliot smith / seal t throwing muses / talking heads / tears for fears / the the / t rex / that petrol emotion u u2 / ub40 / undertones v velvets / suzanne vega w tom waits / who / stevie wonder / waterboys / winwood / white stripes x x / xtc y neil young / yo la tengo / yes z frank zappa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:00:30 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: A to Z > On 11/26/06, Guntarski wrote: > > > > In an effort to find something, anything new and interesting to listen > to > > - > > I'm looking to see what the average guy or gal in cyberspace would > choose > > as > > their top artists A-Z. Here's my list: > > > > http://polyestericonz.blogspot.com/ > My rather prosaic choices: Tori Amos David Bowie The Cure Bob Dylan Eminem Flaming Lips Gang of Four Robyn Hitchcock (if that's cheating, then how about Husker Du?) Chris Isaak Jesus and Mary Chain Kraftwerk Longwave Magnetic Fields or Bob Mould--can't make up my mind Nirvana Old 97s The Pixies or the Pogues (both in my top five favorite musical acts of all time) Q and Not U (for lack of any other choice) The Ronettes The Sundays T. Rex U2 Velvet Underground Tom Waits X Young Fresh Fellows Frank Zappa Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Andy Partridge interview up at Amazon On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, 2fs wrote: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/1000034151 > Thanks much. No problem. > By the way, at one point I pulled up the myspace page for his daughter's > band, the She-Beats - and the songs actually are pretty good! They look (and > sound) very young, so maybe some good music there in the future. I have to agree--I was pleasantly surprised. Well, we already knew Holly could sing, from "Playground," eh? > Anyway: sorta sad to hear about XTC's apparent demise...although elsewhere > he's said that Colin's simply not that into it any more. So it looks like > we'll hear the, uh, "free-jazz" Andy CD before any of his newer songs... Not in the Amazon US catalog yet, though--I wonder if it'll be another UK-only release. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A to Z On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > "os" is a definite article: please choose a different "O". It is/was my understanding that "Os", in Portuguese and in this context, meant "Those" or "Them" rather than "The" (from the phrase "dentre os mutantes"). But I'd probably end up just picking Oingo Boingo or Olivia Tremor Control or Of Montreal. There are plenty of Os. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A to Z On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Eb wrote: >> Eb wrote: >>> Iggy and Ozzy, dey no count. >> Raw Power _was_ credited to Iggy & The Stooges, not to >> just the The Stooges.... > > Who do you know who filed it under "I"? Me. I also keep Tanya Donnelly and The Decemberists under "T", so I know I'm bucking convention. But really, it's hard to argue for a surname organization scheme unless you're very concerned with understanding the actual parentage of the participants so as not to do too much inbreeding (or you're extremely patriarchal). And I can't understand any reasoning that puts Elvis Costello under "C" rather than where the conscious choice of name intended him to be placed: right next to Elvises Presley and Hitler. Iggy Pop also wasn't chosen so that the man could be referenced as "Mr. Pop" or "Pop, Iggy". You lose the spirit of the thing when you do that. So, anybody got some non-stupid reasoning for filing people by their last names? Sure, you get lucky with someone like Morrissey, but end up fucked when someone like Madonna or Cher (or maybe someone of lesser stature) chooses to use their full name. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A to Z On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, 2fs wrote: > I call "Bob Zimmerman" for Z then. Clearly that belongs under "R". J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:30:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A to Z Capuchin wrote: > So, anybody got some non-stupid reasoning for filing people by > their last names? Sure, you get lucky with someone like Morrissey, > but end up fucked when someone like Madonna or Cher (or maybe > someone of lesser stature) chooses to use their full name. Well, trying to reason for a moment as if I have your consistent "The world is wrong and, for the life of me, I honestly can't fathom why everyone else doesn't think exactly like me" mindset, one reason might be that as your collection grows, you're going to have more and more artists with common first names. John, Bob, David, Diamanda, whatever. So it's going to become more and more confusing to organize albums by the artists' first name, and you'll presumably end up separating them by last name within the (for instance) "John" section anyway. The same goes much more strongly for filing bands under "The." Good grief, that should be self-evident. Not to mention the issue of all the bands which alternately drop/keep the "The" in front of their name from album to album. I still don't know how I should refer to (The) Smashing Pumpkins.... For his next stunt, Jeme attempts to prove that Elvis Costello chose his moniker in order to filed next to Elvis Hitler. Meanwhile...after watching "Studio 60" tonight, I continue to wonder if there's a show left on TV which isn't fooling around with tricky- clever, post-"Lost" flashback structures. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Here's all it really is, I figure On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, The Great Quail wrote: > This from Capuchin, of all people: >> Nobody has the right to attempt adjustments on other people's egos >> without permission >> And not only is it arrogant and stupid to think you have the >> understanding and skill necessary to effectively and constructively >> apply such an adjustment, the belief that you have the insight and >> objectivity necessary to assess the need of such a thing is beyond >> sane. When, O when have I ever claimed that a person "should have" or "needed" "adjustment"? Do you really not see the difference between an attempt to offer help and a forceful "tweaking"? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Decemberists on Letterman So, Oliver so kindly ripped Robyn on Conan. Can someone do The Decemberists on Letterman this week? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 9/11 and such [This is quite old, so I intentionally ignored the substance of the thread.] On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, The Great Quail wrote: > Honestly, I don't hate anyone on the List. Even the people who vex me, > such as yourself and Capuchin, are just personalities on a monitor. It's > hard to hate someone you barely even know, and who has never interfered > with your life in a serious way. Ah, come ON, man. I've slept in your home... with and without you there! [And I still kind of suspect you heard me having sex and couldn't resist a peek over the rails.] OK, maybe it's not a serious interference, but I can't just be a personality on a monitor, can I? Big wet kisses all over your denial-riddled right-wing brow, J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A to Z On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Eb wrote: > Capuchin wrote: >> So, anybody got some non-stupid reasoning for filing people by their last >> names? Sure, you get lucky with someone like Morrissey, but end up fucked >> when someone like Madonna or Cher (or maybe someone of lesser stature) >> chooses to use their full name. > > Well, trying to reason for a moment as if I have your consistent "The world > is wrong and, for the life of me, I honestly can't fathom why everyone else > doesn't think exactly like me" mindset, one reason might be that as your > collection grows, you're going to have more and more artists with common > first names. John, Bob, David, Diamanda, whatever. So it's going to become > more and more confusing to organize albums by the artists' first name, and > you'll presumably end up separating them by last name within the (for > instance) "John" section anyway. Well, trying to ignore for a moment your senseless baiting and stick to a line of discussion that doesn't become some self-absorbed antagonizing, the whole section of records with artists whose names start with "John" obviously DOES get separated into last name groupings... that's what happens when names match up to a certain point in an alphabetized system. John Brown goes after John Adams. No problem there. I don't accidentally think one is the other because they have the same first name any more than you might confuse Patti with Elliot because they're both Smiths. Is that why you chose to give your alphabetical list by second letter? Becuase you have SO goddamned many things filed under B that you just went ahead and organized all of those by their second letter to break them up? That's nonsense reasoning. Is there a particular PROBLEM with having a whole bunch of records filed under "J"? You're not going to get equal distribution among the letters of the alphabet anyway, so why bother trying to keep some letters less populated than they rightfully should be? The "Well, then you get a whole bunch of records under common first names" doesn't hold any water yet because you haven't pointed out why having a whole bunch of records under a common first name is difficult or confusing. > The same goes much more strongly for filing bands under "The." Good > grief, that should be self-evident. > Not to mention the issue of all the bands which alternately drop/keep > the "The" in front of their name from album to album. I still don't know > how I should refer to (The) Smashing Pumpkins.... Now that's an issue that actually has some sticking power as a counterargument and I'm quite aware of it. Whenever an artist (or collective) self-refers as instead of The , I drop the article for all instances. To me, this clearly indicates that the group or artist does not claim a definitive so much as the label, generally. Good point, though. Mostly the filing under the definite article comes from my movie collection where the title is quite certain and unchanging and my desire to not have to distinguish various non-english articles. > For his next stunt, Jeme attempts to prove that Elvis Costello chose his > moniker in order to filed next to Elvis Hitler. He clearly chose the name "Elvis" for the cultural context carried by the name and all things associated with the name. He picked it as much for its description of the artist from Tupelo as its association with all dross and dreck done in association with the name and the image. Filing Costello next to Hitler enriches that context and deepens the meaning. > Meanwhile...after watching "Studio 60" tonight, I continue to wonder if > there's a show left on TV which isn't fooling around with tricky-clever, > post-"Lost" flashback structures. Dear God. When are these television people going to learn that flashbacks are not a substitute for foreshadowing and a coherent backstory? When a character actually does have a particular history, it can and should come across in everything they do and say and the writers shouldn't have to explicitly show the audience what happened in order to give their characters depth or provide the current situation with meaning or portent. But really, you should probably credit Arrested Development for the clever (and incessant) use of flashbacks before crap like Lost (which clearly is NOT written with a planned multi-season arc so much as slapped together from one unforeseeable and unreasonable spastic plot convulsion to the next). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #287 ********************************