From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #248 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 18 2006 Volume 15 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: iTunes 7 question ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: iTunes 7 question [2fs ] Re: iTunes 7 question [Christopher Gross ] Re: reminder [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Shirts etc [Tom Clark ] Re: Shirts etc [2fs ] Re: iTunes 7 question ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: iTunes 7 question [2fs ] re; LA show ["Marc Holden" ] iTunes 7 & iChat ["m swedene" ] Re: iTunes 7 question ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: iTunes 7 & iChat ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: iTunes 7 question ["Jason Brown" ] Re: Re: iTunes 7 & iChat ["m swedene" ] Re: iTunes 7 question [Christopher Gross ] Re: iTunes 7 question [Eb ] Re: iTunes 7 question [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles [2fs ] Re: iTunes 7 question ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/16/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Ideally, your database should allow you to do both: view your collection > as > organized by album artist *and* by track artist. (Logically, which you > choose depends whether you're looking for data on albums or on tracks. I > might have 10 albums by Neil Young, but those 10 albums might contain 105 > songs by Neil Young, 5 by Buffalo Springfield, etc. etc. etc.) Very cool in theory, but yeah, I can't see me retooling my whole collection this way, large as it is... it'd be a task not unlike correcting all those "release dates" that folks either ignored or botched wildly. It'd be great, though. In some ways I'd even prefer to be able to see backing bands not especially credited on albums... to extend the Neil Young idea, you could have your Stray Gators, your Santa Monica Flyers, your Booker T & the MG's, and your... erm, Trans Band. I guess this could all go in notes, but again, too much work at this stage in the game. The innumerable "featuring" credits these days (hip-hop and beyond) do really clutter artist lists. To scroll through mine you'd only see three entries for Robyn (only two prior to last month) and 10 or 12 for such unlikely stars as Brand New Heavies with, and Propellerheads featuring, which needless to say reflects little about my actual holdings, proportionally. On the other hand it kind of amuses me that some of my more oddball "it'd be fun to have a recording of this weird shit" mp3's result in some entertaining entries that weight artists like "Adolph Hitler" (from the South Park Christmas album), Cambodian Funk Orchestra, The American Standards (industrial promo for the toilet company), Iceberg B-09A (an actual iceberg) and The Cthulhu Two as heavily (visually) as mainstays The Fall or Bob Dylan, of whom I have 30 or more albums each, and that kind of entertains me, for whatever reason. When all of you more tech-savvy folks went on about scripts and stuff, that was way over my head; I pretty much just use the interface as is and try to fool it when necessary. Strictly medium-tech guy here. > While I'm here, what difference does checking the "Part of a > > compilation" box make? In my experience, what it does is called "fucking shit up". It's kind of confusing... I basically believe that what it's meant for is *multi-artist compilations*, but a lot of people seem to check it for best-of's and such, and then others seem to consider reissues with bonus tracks "compilations", and a sizeable faction just checks it willy-nilly for any old album (and while there's an arguement to be made there, it's a pretty weak one). Basically it causes iTunes to stash the mp3's in "album folders" wothin in a "artist folder" not for the artist, but one labeled "Compilations", which is soon stuffed to the gills with all kinds of stuff. That means if you look at the folder in your iTunes library without using iTunes (which I sometimes do) and pop open your Robyn folder and don't see "Obliteration Pie" and you don't remember whether or not you ripped it, you gotta go check your Compilations folder to see if it's there for some reason. I got tired of this and I now periodically select all of my tracks, uncheck the "Part of a Compilation" box, and every artist's stray tracks and albums find their way to their proper folder. Doesn't seem to do jack to the interface. My real favorite thing about iTunes is that if you correct or alter stuff on the interface, it moves and renames the files for real, so that afterwards they make sense in any other player or application. I'm sure other players do that, but a lot of them don't. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:24:12 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/17/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > The innumerable "featuring" credits these days (hip-hop and beyond) do > really clutter artist lists. > And of course, the "featuring" meme ends up affecting idiot database-entry morons as well, even where it doesn't belong. Whoever entered the new TV on the Radio CD at one of the databases (I forget which one) has half of the tracks labeled as "featuring" somebody or other - basically, on any track wherein someone not actually in the band plays or sings, they're listed as "featured." The album itself says no such thing. I can understand someone wanting to make note of Bowie's guest vocal on that track - but the rest? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question The "Compilations" button can be extremely handy if you move your music files around a lot, as I do. I have a full-up 40 GB iPod, which means about 40 GB of songs in my iTunes folder, plus a few more GB reserved as swap space. If I want to quickly create more room on the iPod, instead of simply deleting songs, I can move them into the swap folder and delete them from the library; then later I can move them back into the library and onto the iPod without having to rip the CD again. The only practical way to do this with compilations is if the tracks are all gathered neatly together in the Compilations folder, rather than scattered among a dozen individual artists. (Of course you have to carefully check every album to make sure the Compilation button is set correctly. Sometimes it seems like the error rate here is close to 50%, so you could set it by flipping a coin and still do about as well as the Gracenote database.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: reminder > Tom Clark wrote: > >> tomorrow night is joseph-arthur night for all you angelenos. > > Never heard of him before seeing him on Letterman(?) last week. > Strangely intriguing - does he always sing in falsetto or was it just > that song? His bass player was pretty cute! > > - -tc > He uses his voice in a lot of different ways, sometimes for layering effects and sometimes, I think, to represent different characters within a song. He is fond of the falsetto though. I've only seen him perform solo, but I'd like to see him with some back-up. I don't know if he's doing it on this tour, but when I saw him he set up a huge sheet at the back of the stage and during one song, when he had all the various loops set up and running so that he could just sing over them, he wandered back there and painted a big picture. If you've seen his album art, it, um, looked like that. It's the kind of ambitious dorkiness that you either find charming or pretentious. I'll forgive him an awful lot - the show was technically polished, hypnotic, and beautiful. Jeanne, apparently de-lurking for a bit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:17:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Shirts etc On Oct 17, 2006, at 3:32 AM, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: >>>> where does robyn find those wonderful shirts? >>>> http://tadd.txt-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/img_3118.jpg >>> >>> * Last time this was discussed he was getting them from Paul Scott >>> (now apparently Sir Paul according to this week's colour mag). > > * Did I say Paul Scott? [yes, obviously - Ed.] I meant Paul Smith. > Must have been reading 'The Bender' too much recently... > >> Anybody have a link to his catalog?> - -tc > > * Voici: I guess we should all be grateful that Robyn doesn't wear his shirts unbuttoned to the navel like Sir Paul's models do! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:55:57 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Shirts etc On 10/17/06, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 3:32 AM, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > > >> Anybody have a link to his catalog?> - -tc > > > > * Voici: > > I guess we should all be grateful that Robyn doesn't wear his shirts > unbuttoned to the navel like Sir Paul's models do! What kind of fool would pay 50 pounds for a t-shirt? Isn't that more than $100 US? (I'm not that impressed by the actual shirts, either..at least I'm not $250 worth of impressed...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:57:07 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/17/06, 2fs wrote: > > On 10/17/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > > > > > The innumerable "featuring" credits these days (hip-hop and beyond) do > > really clutter artist lists. > > > > > And of course, the "featuring" meme ends up affecting idiot database-entry > morons as well, even where it doesn't belong. Whoever entered the new TV > on > the Radio CD at one of the databases (I forget which one) has half of the > tracks labeled as "featuring" somebody or other - basically, on any track > wherein someone not actually in the band plays or sings, they're listed as > "featured." The album itself says no such thing. I can understand someone > wanting to make note of Bowie's guest vocal on that track - but the rest? Yeah, I was mystified to find an artist folder on my drive labeled "Q Tip_REM". Figuring out that it was someone else's weird data had the unfortunate side effect of reminding me of the existence of "Around the Sun". - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:01:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/17/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > Yeah, I was mystified to find an artist folder on my drive labeled "Q > Tip_REM". Figuring out that it was someone else's weird data had the > unfortunate side effect of reminding me of the existence of "Around the > Sun". > My theory is that remember a few years back when Stipe said something less than complimentary about Scientology? (If you don't, just pretend you do.) Scientologists kidnapped the real R.E.M. and put out a fake R.E.M. album just to discredit the band - _Around the Sun_ was the result. Too bad they didn't get Beck to do it instead. It could have been worse - coulda been Tom Cruise. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:38:11 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re; LA show >> Well, I've got to make more shirts now. Less than a month before the >> show! >I am mighty peeved to be missing the LA show, but it wouldn't do not to >show >up at my own gig that night... plus, gotta be at Disneyland unholy early >the >next morning. Damn damn damn. I don't want to miss this band. Man, I can't believe you're missing this line-up twice. The Key Club show earlier this year was outstanding. I'm going to be missing the show this time, too, even though I'll be in the area that weekend. I'm taking a client to California Adventure that day and out to Disneyland the next day (maybe I'll see you there Rex). I'm still going to make it to a show that weekend, but I haven't told my client about that part of the plans. Pere Ubu are doing a live soundtrack for a showing of "X--the Man with the X-ray Eyes" at UCLA on Sunday. I hope they sell popcorn so I can pull off the whole "we're just here for a movie" bit-- think I'd have trouble getting him to go out to see a band he's never heard of before. After the film, they will be doing a concert set. Hope it's worth the all night drive afterward, back to Phoenix so I can work on that Monday morning. >Matthijs posted: >Subject: 3 Kings Pub / 16-17 December >Tickets for these shows have now arrived at the 3 Kings Pub in London UK. >Picked ours up today, looking forward to the gigs! Damn dude, you get around. You recorded the Tokyo shows, too, right? You haven't Velcroed yourself to Robyn, have you? Marc If I ever get real rich, I hope I'm not real mean to poor people, like I am now. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:45:24 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: iTunes 7 & iChat I am gonna jump in on this. Is there a way to show the current iTune track in the iChat away message? I know you can do this while you are "available" but sometimes I just don't want to talk to people while I am listening to Belly or The Breeders. I have rediscovered Pod and Star this week, and they are on constant rotation with Ole! Thanks for any help! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:52:19 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/17/06, 2fs wrote: > > > My theory is that remember a few years back when Stipe said something less > than complimentary about Scientology? (If you don't, just pretend you do.) > Scientologists kidnapped the real R.E.M. and put out a fake R.E.M. album > just to discredit the band - _Around the Sun_ was the result. > > Too bad they didn't get Beck to do it instead. > > It could have been worse - coulda been Tom Cruise. I bet a Tom Cruise albm would be all kinds of hilarious... perhaps funnier still if it were indeed released under the name "R.E.M.". Perhaps lending credence to your theory: R.E.M.'s own website recently linked to the Pitchfork review of the new IRS Years comp. The review itself was positive but it opened with a really matter-of-fact savaging of ATS. Against your theory: the real Peter Buck get to roam the countryside as a Venus 3'er. But that's all good. Why do I still keep track of this? - -SER - -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:54:43 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 & iChat On 10/17/06, m swedene wrote: > > I am gonna jump in on this. > > Is there a way to show the current iTune track in the iChat away message? > > I know you can do this while you are "available" but sometimes I just > don't want to talk to people while I am listening to Belly or The > Breeders. I have rediscovered Pod and Star this week, and they are on > constant rotation with Ole! I think there is a new Tanya Donnely record out today. If it's half as good as the last one, it should be superb. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:56:13 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On 10/17/06, Christopher Gross wrote: > The "Compilations" button can be extremely handy if you move your music > files around a lot, as I do. I have a full-up 40 GB iPod, which means > about 40 GB of songs in my iTunes folder, plus a few more GB reserved as > swap space. If I want to quickly create more room on the iPod, instead of > simply deleting songs, I can move them into the swap folder and delete > them from the library; then later I can move them back into the library > and onto the iPod without having to rip the CD again. Why are you deleting songs from the iTunes library in order for them to fit on your iPod? I have a 30GB iPod and 75GB of music in my iTunes. Since there is more music than iPod space i just have the settings set to update the iPod from certain playlists rather than all music. And in addition to specific playlists i have created I have one large playlist which i dump in everything i want on the iPod. If i get new music i want on the iPod i just add it to the large playlist. If im approaching my 30GB max on the iPod i just remove some unwanted music form that large playlist. This set up alows me to have 75GB of music still in iTunes for listening at home. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:05:33 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Re: Re: iTunes 7 & iChat You can order it off of her site for $15 and she will sign it for you. Postage included! http://www.tanyadonelly.com/ FWIW Mike np - "Museum Of Sex" - Robyn On 10/17/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > On 10/17/06, m swedene wrote: > > I am gonna jump in on this. > > > > Is there a way to show the current iTune track in the iChat away message? > > > > I know you can do this while you are "available" but sometimes I just > > don't want to talk to people while I am listening to Belly or The > > Breeders. I have rediscovered Pod and Star this week, and they are on > > constant rotation with Ole! > > > I think there is a new Tanya Donnely record out today. If it's half as good > as the last one, it should be superb. > > -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:07:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Jason Brown wrote: > On 10/17/06, Christopher Gross wrote: > > The "Compilations" button can be extremely handy if you move your music > > files around a lot, as I do. I have a full-up 40 GB iPod, which means > > about 40 GB of songs in my iTunes folder, plus a few more GB reserved as > > swap space. If I want to quickly create more room on the iPod, instead of > > simply deleting songs, I can move them into the swap folder and delete > > them from the library; then later I can move them back into the library > > and onto the iPod without having to rip the CD again. > > Why are you deleting songs from the iTunes library in order for them > to fit on your iPod? > > I have a 30GB iPod and 75GB of music in my iTunes. Since there is > more music than iPod space i just have the settings set to update the > iPod from certain playlists rather than all music. And in addition to > specific playlists i have created I have one large playlist which i > dump in everything i want on the iPod. If i get new music i want on > the iPod i just add it to the large playlist. If im approaching my > 30GB max on the iPod i just remove some unwanted music form that > large playlist. Well, I haven't tried it your way, but at first glance my way seems easier. Or maybe not easier, but at least simpler and more idiot-proof (an important consideration with me!), since the iTunes library and the contents of the iPod are always identical, regardless of what I do to the playlists. But your situation and mine are different. I don't have room on my computer to store a rotating library much larger than the iPod's capacity; I just want to occasionally swap out a gig or two. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:11:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question Marc Alberts wrote: >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221001,00.html >> >> Looks like a fat paycheck for Tom. > > Indeed, although not necessarily any fatter than when Rod Stewart > slaughtered "Downtown Train." Only if whatever Rod album contains "Downtown Train" has sold 12 or 13 times more copies than the Scarlett album will.... It's one song vs. a whole album of them. And Scarlett will probably sell a lot more records than Holly Cole did. Christopher Gross wrote: > The "Compilations" button can be extremely handy if you move your > music > files around a lot, as I do. I have a full-up 40 GB iPod, which means > about 40 GB of songs in my iTunes folder, plus a few more GB > reserved as > swap space. If I want to quickly create more room on the iPod, > instead of > simply deleting songs, I can move them into the swap folder and delete > them from the library; then later I can move them back into the > library > and onto the iPod without having to rip the CD again. The only > practical > way to do this with compilations is if the tracks are all gathered > neatly > together in the Compilations folder, rather than scattered among a > dozen > individual artists. Ah. The thing is, I don't make iTunes automatically "organize" my mp3 files in folders. I don't like all the extra nested folders. So I organize the files myself. Which explains why I wouldn't notice any effects from checking the box. > You can order it off of her site for $15 and she will sign it for you. > Postage included! > > http://www.tanyadonelly.com/ Whew. Between selling albums herself, being off 4AD and on such a no- name label, and recording the new album live, poor Tanya sure seems to be back at square one. Hope the new one is better than the last two -- her solo career has been grossly disappointing to me. So far, it's like she records her albums as if she's trying not to wake the baby. And I wouldn't want an autographed album...I'd prefer a lipstick kiss on it. ;) reap coming: "Sunset 60 on the Sunset Strip." The ratings news gets worse, every week. Eb now rejecting: Six Organs of Admittance/The Sun Awakens (OK, fine, but can you write a song which ISN'T composed in Indian-drone mode?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:27:31 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on 17. Oktober 2006 13:11:33 -0700 regarding Re: iTunes 7 question: > reap coming: "Sunset 60 on the Sunset Strip." The ratings news gets > worse, every week. Well, if they force more Sting on us I won't miss it much ;-) Seriously, it started out great, but the parallels to West Wing are glaring and I'm also not very fond of the backstage relationship aspect. I enjoy the show, but it wouldn't break my heart if it got canceled. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://darkstar.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:21:51 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles > > > Oh: and anathema upon those (at least those not in Ireland) who run "Mc" > > and > > > "Mac" names together under "Mac." Alphabetize it as you spell it > > please... > > > > Um, that's how we do it in Scotland, and we know from Mac. It's more > > complex thank you can possibly imagine. > > > >I should have said "at least those not in Ireland or Scotland" - because >with the prevalence of M[a]c names there, alphabetizing including the >patronymic, and separating the "a" from the non-"a", would create massive >headaches (as you imply). And who knows what other issues arise - I mean, >other than Scots, who know. It's how we do it here, too. All the Mcs and Macs go together under Mac. It's a very complex business - You've also got the Ma's like Mawhinney to contend with. Mind you, there's a huge number of Mcs and Macs here too - a quick scan throught he local phone book reveals that 5% of the pages are dedicatd to Mc and Mac. Same problem would no doubt also occur in eastern Canada. > Originally iTunes ignored only the English article even for localized > versions. The lead to German bands with an article to always appear > under D. So they decided to fix it, but when they did so they went too > far! As released by Apple, the German localized version now *only* > ignores German articles! That's not what I want! You presumably have problems with band names like "Die Die Die", too. James, in the "Edinburgh of the South" (so described officially) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:49:15 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles On 10/17/06, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > > Oh: and anathema upon those (at least those not in Ireland) who run > "Mc" > > > and > > > > "Mac" names together under "Mac." Alphabetize it as you spell it > > > please... > > > > > > Um, that's how we do it in Scotland, and we know from Mac. It's more > > > complex thank you can possibly imagine. > > > > > > > >I should have said "at least those not in Ireland or Scotland" - because > >with the prevalence of M[a]c names there, alphabetizing including the > >patronymic, and separating the "a" from the non-"a", would create massive > >headaches (as you imply). And who knows what other issues arise - I mean, > >other than Scots, who know. > > It's how we do it here, too. All the Mcs and Macs go together under > Mac. It's a very complex business - You've also got the Ma's like > Mawhinney to contend with. Mind you, there's a huge number of Mcs and > Macs here too - a quick scan throught he local phone book reveals > that 5% of the pages are dedicatd to Mc and Mac. Same problem would > no doubt also occur in eastern Canada. Okay... is "Mr." between "Mq" and "Ms", or "Mh" and "Mj"? Same question with "Dr". I mean, I know what iTunes would do with them, but what's the consensus? - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: JBJ Subject: Who should I be watching out for tonight?? Any fegs headed to The Decemberists show? It's a sold out event, so I doubt I'll run in to any of yous. But you never know. Jeme? Carole? Eddie? =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:11:38 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles On 10/17/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > Okay... is "Mr." between "Mq" and "Ms", or "Mh" and "Mj"? Same question > with "Dr". I mean, I know what iTunes would do with them, but what's the > consensus? That you should not own a Mr. Mister album. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:10:22 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > They could, but AppleScript is much more powerful as soon as you are > interacting with applications other than shell tools. Yes, but it only runs on Macs, and its syntax looks like an asthmatic Cobol. Shell scripting works on Catherine's eMac upstairs, my iBook, the Windows media box (running Cygwin) and the Ubuntu machine on the ground floor, and the OpenBSD server in the basement. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:13:58 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Macs, Mcs, and definite articles grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > James, in the "Edinburgh of the South" (so described officially) I didn't know you lived in Athens? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:36:17 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vox humana AK47 Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:38:35 -0700 > From: "Stacked Crooked" > Subject: Reminder > on the other hand, just now listening to a couple of ed harcourt shows from > last week, and, boy, if you thought *robyn's* voice was shot... hopefully > ed's vocal problems are temporary. * Mmm. Of course I've never heard him live before but my first reaction was 'His voice doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the records'. However, his throat warmed up noticeably during the evening and he was singing quite respectably by about half way through. - - Mike Godwin n.p. 'Ain't that nothing' - The Rain Parade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Who should I be watching out for tonight?? On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, JBJ wrote: > Any fegs headed to The Decemberists show? > It's a sold out event, so I doubt I'll run in to any of yous. > But you never know. > Jeme? Carole? Eddie? I was there... as was Michael Wolfe. I was both happy and sad that they played so much stuff from the new record and so few of their crowd-pleasers from the last tour. (I think the only Picaresque track was "We Both Go Down Together".) I could have used a few more of the really upbeat songs ("July! July!" would have been nice, par ejemplo). All in all, I would say I had a superbe birthday. Thanks for asking. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #248 ********************************