From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #243 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 13 2006 Volume 15 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ole Tarantula - 8/10 stars in Pop Matters [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco [The Great Quail ] Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula [2fs ] Re: Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco [2fs ] Re: Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco [The Great Quail ] Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Tokyo Storm Warning [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Tokyo Storm Warning ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Tokyo Storm Warning [Dolph Chaney ] Re: iTunes 7 question [Eb ] Re: Tokyo Storm Warning ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] My name is "Eb": Open mouth, insert ass ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: Tokyo Storm Warning [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: belltown ramble ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Welcome Mr. Dennis Forbes? ["Charlotte Tupman" ] Re: Welcome Mr. Dennis Forbes? [Eb ] Re: belltown ramble [J ] Re: belltown ramble ["Jason Brown" ] Re: belltown ramble [Eb ] Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] re: deva vu thoth ["ken ostrander" ] Re: deva vu thoth [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:20:40 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Ole Tarantula - 8/10 stars in Pop Matters _http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/5941/robyn-hitchcock-the-venus-3-o l/_ (http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/5941/robyn-hitchcock-the-venus-3-ol/) Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 OlC)! Tarantula (Yep Roc) US release date: 3 October 2006 UK release date: 2 October 2006 by Michael Keefe I first discovered Robyn Hitchcock in the most ordinary way possible. In 1988, while attending college in a college town, I heard bBalloon Manb on college radio. Boring, I know. But my point of entry has continued, ever since, to guide my expectations about what his music should sound like. At that moment in time, the quixotic songwriter was in the midst of his stint as the leader of Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians, an alternative pop trio who made some of the best music of that nearly forgotten period of time between the death of new wave (circa 1984) and the officially recognized birth of alternative music (late b91, with Nirvanab s Nevermind, of course). If you had half a brain and craved classically catchy guitar-pop melodies, the Egyptiansb sound was a weird little oasis in an era increasingly dominated by pre-fab Top 40 pap. Aided by the tight playing and perfect harmonies of bassist/keyboardist Andy Metcalfe and drummer Morris Windsor, Hitchcock and his band delivered a great string of albums from 1985 to 1993. I focus on particular on this stage of Robynbs career, because, in name and in sound, he and his new band come closer to evoking the Egyptians than has any other Hitchcock project over the last 10 years. And now letbs meet the members of this new band, dubbed the Venus 3. On guitar is a man you all know and love, Peter Buck. Hebs been hanging out with Robyn and contributing tasty chops for two decades now, so, despite his super-stud status as a member of R.E.M. (and, therefore, the progenitor of the college rock sound), his presence isnbt a big surprise. Nor is that of another close friend, Scott McCaughey, sitting in here as bass player, but certainly far better known as the man at the helm of both the Young Fresh Fellows and the Minus 5. So far, so good. So what is Bill Reiflin doing behind the drum kit? Apparently, the pummeling beatmeister from Ministry has a fun-loving side, too, and is just as happy nowadays to tap his snare for songs about arachnids and neighborhoods in Seattle. I have my doubts that this collective will remain a true band, reassembling to record a follow-up Venus 3 record. But they will be touring together throughout the fall. And they certainly look like theyb re having a great time in the insert photo, all bundled up and grinning before an eerily green faux-Stonehenge. More important, the guys sound like theybre having a blast. And why not? With 10 hooky tunes lasting just over 40 minutes, Robyn Hitchcock hasnbt focused his pop laser beam this tightly since 1999bs excellent Jewels for Sophia, which had been the last disc from Hitch to get me really excitedb& [cue deep and echoing announcer voice] UNTIL NOW. OlC)! Tarantula is of a type of Robyn Hitchcock album. Without trying to cook up some crazily stratified taxonomy, letb s just say that he mostly creates either rock band-centric pop albums (like this one) or more spare and slow-tempoed solo albums (1990bs fantastic Eye, for instance). Falling somewhere in between was his 2004 collaboration with Gillian Welch and David Rawlings, Spooked. Despite receiving good reviews, it never sunk in for me. I suppose I prefer Robyn at his extremes. OlC)! Tarantulabs driving opener, bAdventure Rocket Shipb, announces the albumbs genus (rock) and species (pop) right away. The tunebs a musical cousin to 1986bs bIf You Were a Priestb, complete with harmony vocals from none other than ex-Egyptian Morris Windsor, who contributes backup singing to half the albumbs songs. bUnderground Sunb, however, looks back even further, recalling Robynbs first band, the Soft Boys, by reviving that groupbs sharp buzz, courtesy of its original guitarist Kimberley Rew. He also lends his fretwork to the simmering, sax-splashed bMuseum of Sexb and the fuzzy rocker, b Authority Boxb. That number features the typically cryptic Hitchcock line, bPardon me, baby, Ibm a trolleybusb, the image of which features prominently in the CDbs package, both as a black and white photo of a miniature trolley in the liner notes and on the disc itself. You know, he used to dream of trains (often!). These days, Hitchcockbs mode of public transport has become less obviously Freudian, but his imagery remains as half-interpretably dreamlike as ever. From the title track comes this bizarre string of associations: bFurry black legs and a spicy goatee / If you see Geno, wonbt you kiss him for me? / OlC)! Tarantula.b And bMuseum of Sexb offers these lines: bOn this deck, I stand erect / Like an egg for you to swallow / Kiss me till your light goes out / Kiss me till therebs no tomorrow.b The straightforwardness of the last line is brilliant, because it retroactively grounds the surreal words that come before, infusing classic romance into the Dali-esque scene. Whereas Hitchcock was once the angry young man who penned bI Wanna Destroy You,b today he can exhibit Zen-like detachment and fond avuncularity. On bBelltown Rambleb, with its music box piano twinkling, he says: bYou can walk a square / You can walk an oblong / Even just walk straight / Youbll still be standing there / Though you think you did the job wrong / You did it great.b Well, youbve got a sweet mouth on you, Robyn. Other highlights include bbCause Itbs Love (Saint Parallelogram)b, co-penned with XTCbs Andy Partridge. So, yeah, itbs a catchy tune. And man, that mustbve been, like, such a psychedelic writing session, man. A live staple for years now, b(A Manbs Gotta Know His Limitations) Briggsb, is a charming song, even with references to Clint Eastwood and Mel Gibson. The closing number, b N.Y. Dollb, is a not-at-all veiled ode to Arthur Kane, the New York Dolls bassist who died of leukemia in 2004. bTherebs always someone to be loved / Or to be forgotten.b With Robyn Hitchcock, I have chosen the former. In this century, my obsession had settled into fondness. But this new disc has reinvigorated my ardor. The songs are strong and the musicians are both top-notch and in total sympathy with Robynbs vibe. Also, Hitchcockbs singing sounds as good as it has in years. This discbs appeal reaches beyond the established bfegmaniacb fanbase. If you like catchy guitar pop with imaginative lyrics, OlC)! Tarantula deserves a spot on your shelves. RATING: 8 of 10 b 9 October 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:05:54 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco > Just wanted to mention that Robyn is on the quote page at the beginning of > Jeff VanderMeer's Shriek. There are Robyn references in other VanderMeer works as well -- he's actually quite a Robyn Hitchcock fan. I highly recommend his sprawling epic, "City of Saints and Madmen." Not only did one of the works in it win the World Fantasy Award, but there's a whole section about squid obsession. http://www.jeffvandermeer.com http://www.themodernword.com/reviews/cityofsaints.html Another writer who counts Robyn Hitchcock as an influence is the horror writer Michael Cisco. His "The Tyrant" is an amazing book, very surreal, dark, and decadent, and contains a section influenced by Wire side-project DoMe. http://www.prostheticlibido.org/ http://www.amazon.com/Tyrant-Michael-Cisco/dp/1894815866 - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:33:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula On 10/13/06, Charlotte Tupman wrote: > > It's not in a major publication, but saw this web review and thought it > might be of interest. > > Charlotte > > > ------ > http://www.epinions.com/content_264231947908 > Cons > It's too easy to question the necessity of a new Robyn Hitchcock record. That angle was kind of forced, wasn't it? I mean, if all you can find bad to say about something is that it's another in a series of consistently good things, how bad is that? Also: is Bill Rieflin still in Ministry? Does anyone care? Peculiar that the author - whose name is Paul Lorentz, by the way, since I don't think we should be quoting entire reviews without naming their writers! - overlooked Rieflin's R.E.M. connection, since that's the relevant one. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:20 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco Warning: Utterly trivial complaint ahead: On 10/13/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > > Another writer who counts Robyn Hitchcock as an influence is the horror > writer Michael Cisco. His "The Tyrant" is an amazing book, very surreal, > dark, and decadent, and contains a section influenced by Wire side-project > DoMe. The intercapitalization makes it look as if the band was trying to say "Do me" - which would have been both uncharacteristic, I think, and anachronistic. Can we please ban squidgy case-shifting games? Dome. Thank you. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:44:31 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Robyn, VanderMeer, Cisco > Can we please ban squidgy case-shifting games? Dome. Thank you. Uh...wow, ok, sorry for the mistake, I'll go light myself on fire now to serve as an example to other fools. Just trying to be helpful with some Robyn-related information, Nanny J. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:32:01 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula On 10/13/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Also: is Bill Rieflin still in Ministry? Does anyone care? Peculiar that > the > author - whose name is Paul Lorentz, by the way, since I don't think we > should be quoting entire reviews without naming their writers! - > overlooked > Rieflin's R.E.M. connection, since that's the relevant one. Both reviews posted yesterday seemed unaware of Rifelin's REM connection. Online journalism does feast on itself. Shouldn't complain, as both were affectionate reviews in the extreme... both reviewers felt compelled to discuss their personal introduction via Globe of Frogs, too, which is kind of interesting. But Robyn's not *on* the Trolley Bus... he IS it! - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: iTunes 7 question Okay, so how the hell do you specify which fields you want to include when you export a playlist? CAN you? I could swear I remember iTunes 6 popping up a little dialogue box asking you which fields you want to include. But now when I try it in iTunes 7, it just goes ahead and exports all the fields, including genre, comments, last time played, etc. I don't want all that crap, I just want the titles, artists and albums. Someone please tell me what I'm missing! Thanks, Chris np: Buffy episode 7x19, "Empty Places" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:56 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tokyo Storm Warning Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 13 2006 Volume 15 : Number 242 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:10:02 +0000 > From: Tony Blackman > Subject: Robyn in Tokyo > As I'm on the digest these days I don't know if this has already been > mentioned. My apologies if it has.... Just found these.... > Photos from Robyn in Tokyo Boat trip round the bay. > * Cheers, Tony! I was talking to Matt and Brian about you last month. Did I mention that my CD of 2000 encores from Bristol and Birmingham suddenly crunched into cornflakes recently? If you could e-mail me 'Old Brown Shoe' it would be a kindness. > OK. Anyone going to the Paris duo with Morris? > The venue's somehwere I've always had a hankering to visit.... > * I'm in if my wife is fit enough to travel. Last time I was in Paris was for 'Le Train Capitale' when they lined the Champs Elysees with railway locomotives. > > > Aren't we all in fact arguably listening [4' 33"] 24 hours a day anyway? > - -SER * Not here in the noisy city outskirts we aren't. Traffic, seagulls, crows, ambulances, aircraft, horses snuffling (admittedly not very loudly), Channel 4 News blaring away in one room and 'Just A Minute' on Radio 4 in another. I'll be lucky if I hear any silence between now and Christmas. - - Mike Godwin n.p. 'Listen to the Silence' - Blossom Toes PS Ed Harcourt's tour dates: October Sat 7 - Brighton - Gardner Arts Centre Sun 8 - Cardiff - Glee Club Mon 9 - Leeds - Wardrobe Tue 10 - York - Fibbers Wed 11 - Bristol - Thekla Fri 13 - Nottingham - Social Sat 14 - Portsmouth - Wedgewood Rooms Sun 15 - Northampton - Soundhaus <- {NN1 fans: check this one out!} Mon 16 - London - Bloomsbury Ballroom Tue 17 - Birmingham - Glee Club Wed 18 - Manchester - Bar Academy Fri 20 - Aberdeen - Tunnels Sat 21 - Dundee - West Port Bar Sun 22 - Glasgow - Classic Grand Theatre And for transmigration of doggie souls, try the video 'Got a visit from a dead dog: PPS Worth entering? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:45:16 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Tokyo Storm Warning On 10/13/06, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > > > Aren't we all in fact arguably listening [4' 33"] 24 hours a day anyway? > > - -SER > > * Not here in the noisy city outskirts we aren't. Traffic, seagulls, > crows, ambulances, aircraft, horses snuffling (admittedly not very > loudly), Channel 4 News blaring away in one room and 'Just A Minute' on > Radio 4 in another. I'll be lucky if I hear any silence between now and > Christmas. Ah, but if you put 4'33" on your stereo, it wouldn't cancel any of that stuff out. It would in fact sound exactly the same, I'd imagine. A recording that could actually nullify background noise would be a valuable thing, whatever positive noise it might contain. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:11:17 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Tokyo Storm Warning At 12:45 PM 10/13/2006, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >A recording that could actually nullify background noise would be a valuable >thing, whatever positive noise it might contain. I use METAL MACHINE MUSIC, at low levels, to accomplish this. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:31:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: iTunes 7 question Christopher Gross wrote: > Okay, so how the hell do you specify which fields you want to > include when > you export a playlist? CAN you? I could swear I remember iTunes 6 > popping up a little dialogue box asking you which fields you want to > include. But now when I try it in iTunes 7, it just goes ahead and > exports all the fields, including genre, comments, last time > played, etc. > I don't want all that crap, I just want the titles, artists and > albums. > Someone please tell me what I'm missing! Seems like you used to be able to reduce SOME of the crap by, prior to exporting, hitting "View Options" and temporarily hiding the fields you don't want exported. But that doesn't make a difference anymore. Otherwise, I don't know. > np: Buffy episode 7x19, "Empty Places" Lordy. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:41:50 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Tokyo Storm Warning On 10/13/06, Dolph Chaney wrote: > > At 12:45 PM 10/13/2006, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > >A recording that could actually nullify background noise would be a > valuable > >thing, whatever positive noise it might contain. > > I use METAL MACHINE MUSIC, at low levels, to accomplish this. Ah, the sweet, sweet Amine-Beta Ring. For some synchronicitous reason, the randomized i-Pod is choosing a lot of experimental and/or noise stuff for me today. Although right now it's playing Ricky Skaggs, so it's clearly not fully committed as of yet. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:22:38 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb": Open mouth, insert ass did you know that the dead kennedys, black flag, and crass all broke up within the same two-week period? so says the jello biafra bio included with his new spoken-word disc. why? do you lust after every person you respect? (and, vicey versey, do you respect every person you lust after?) i always assumed it was "*kneads* your meat". don't recall our having discussed this in the lyrics group... oh. well, next time you express interest in hearing my arguments on a given topic, make sure tell me which venues for reading the arguments are or are not acceptable to you. while you're at it, may as well tell me in advance which conclusions you will or will not find acceptable. y'know, just so where on the same page and all. anyway, it's a good thing you're not a leftist -- otherwise your dismissal-without-having-read might be considered...er, "irrational" (or some shit). <> you might've let it slide rather than outing yourself: i had assumed that it was a pun (as in, "i've heard tell..."). by the way (and in case any were wondering): the quail nearly kicked me out of his/lj's house for using the line "knee-deep in the hoopla" to describe a predicament that had arisen in the course of a "frogger" match. this is not too long after he sarcastically offered to dig "pong" out of the closet at my complaints that the "retro frogger" game-option wasn't "retro" enough to scratch my nostalgic itch. (now, if i only had enough room in here for a coin-op "dig-dug" console...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: J Subject: Re: belltown ramble On 10/9/06, Jason Brown wrote: > > Here are some Seattle centric clarifications. I hadn't realized how > weird these some of these lyrics seem if you aren't familiar with > Seattle What's with Robyn and Seattle? - -Julie . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:24:36 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tokyo Storm Warning Quoting Spotted Eagle Ray : On 10/13/06, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: >> > Ah, but if you put 4'33" on your stereo, it wouldn't cancel any of that > stuff out. It would in fact sound exactly the same, I'd imagine. > A recording that could actually nullify background noise would be a valuable > thing, whatever positive noise it might contain. * I hadn't realised that you were advocated playing the song on wraparound stereo headphones! Did I hear somewhere that a noisy pub used to have it on the jukebox for people to buy 273 seconds of quiet? - - Mike 'That Awful DYNNE' Godwin n.p. Tony Blair on how the general who criticised the govt is actually saying the same thing that he is. Next on: 'Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies' by F.Mac. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:36:56 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: belltown ramble On 10/13/06, J wrote: > > On 10/9/06, Jason Brown wrote: > > > > Here are some Seattle centric clarifications. I hadn't realized how > > weird these some of these lyrics seem if you aren't familiar with > > Seattle > > What's with Robyn and Seattle? The Venus 3 is from there. That's most of them playing on "Viva! Sea-Tac". A lot of his recording over the last decade has been done there, mostly through the Buck-McCaughey connection. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:29:12 +0100 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Welcome Mr. Dennis Forbes? >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:10:02 +0000 >From: Tony Blackman >Subject: Robyn in Tokyo > >As I'm on the digest these days I don't know if this has already been >mentioned. My apologies if it has.... > >Just found these.... > >Photos from Robyn in Tokyo > >Boat trip round the bay. > > >Bob Dylan summit Oct 9th. > > >Gig on October 8th. > > >Gig on October 7th. > > >Acoustic Gig on October 6th. >Pt. 1 >Pt. 2 > >OK. Anyone going to the Paris duo with Morris? >The venue's somehwere I've always had a hankering to visit.... > > >Tony. Anyone else notice the spooky orb on Robyn's cheek in this photo: http://tadd.txt-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/imgp4640.jpg Well it's nearly Hallowe'en... Charlotte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:44:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Welcome Mr. Dennis Forbes? Charlotte Tupman wrote: > Anyone else notice the spooky orb on Robyn's cheek in this photo: > > http://tadd.txt-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/imgp4640.jpg > > Well it's nearly Hallowe'en... I find the background appearance of Jerry Garcia's ghost far spookier. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: J Subject: Re: belltown ramble I still think of Peter Buck as being from Athens, GA. :) Doesn't his wife run the Crocodile in Seattle or something like that? - ----- Original Message - ---- From: Spotted Eagle Ray To: J Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:36:56 PM Subject: Re: belltown ramble On 10/13/06, J wrote: On 10/9/06, Jason Brown wrote: > > Here are some Seattle centric clarifications. I hadn't realized how > weird these some of these lyrics seem if you aren't familiar with > Seattle What's with Robyn and Seattle? The Venus 3 is from there. That's most of them playing on "Viva! Sea-Tac". A lot of his recording over the last decade has been done there, mostly through the Buck-McCaughey connection. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:49:39 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: belltown ramble On 10/13/06, J wrote: > I still think of Peter Buck as being from Athens, GA. :) Doesn't his wife > run the Crocodile in Seattle or something like that? Yes, Peter's wife Stephanie Dorgan owns the Crocodile Cafe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:59:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: belltown ramble Jason Brown wrote: >> I still think of Peter Buck as being from Athens, GA. :) Doesn't >> his wife >> run the Crocodile in Seattle or something like that? > > Yes, Peter's wife Stephanie Dorgan owns the Crocodile Cafe. Awhile back, I knew someone online who had known the REM gang for years, and she said Buck had become almost persona non grata in Athens, due to him mistreating his previous wife (whom everybody in the local scene liked). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:03:37 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Review of Ole! Tarantula >Two years after Globe of Frogs, Robyn Hitchcock released the emphatically >solo, acoustic album Eye - a sprawling and intimate collection of songs that >seem alternately prayerful and playful, personal and political, >straightforward and elusive. I had no idea was "Linctus House" was when I >first heard Hitchcock's song of that title, and that remains one of the most >frustrating things about the song (even Google can't help me with this!), >because the song's verses are the most direct, conversational, and intimate >(and still funny) things Hitchcock has ever written - a story of that sad, >insidious apathy (bordering on hostility) that grows over a once-sweet >romance like a choking vine. > >[...]of spacemen's skeletons and other death-ish things. "Underground Sun" >follows with Byrdsy folk-rock harmonies; and "Museum of Sex" (which engages >another Hitchcock trademark - the architecturalization of carnal knowledge - >see also: "Linctus House") furthers the psychedelic vibe with a slithery >rhythm and some "Silly Love Song" saxophone, courtesy of Colin Izod - a British TV producer. Huh? A good review, but the reviewer says he has no idea what "Linctus house" is then says what it is. I always thought it was a pretty straight-forward if sad metaphor myself... isn't the song basically saying "We don't love each other any more, but when I'm within your sticky genitalia I don't care"? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:10:55 -0400 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: re: deva vu thoth >This is an astoundingly numbskulled point. > >The objection was not to posting a large list, but to using loose >criteria which ENABLED said large list. > >CHRIST.<<<<<<<<< feels like 1974. right you are. see, my "problem" has to do with the way you make me feel. it's not rational. your tight-assed (perhaps the exact opposite of the "numbskulled" "anti-capitalist" pollyanna you consider me to be) negativity manifests itself into just about everything you post and it gets under my skin. and not in a cole porter kingdom of love kind of way. i know very well (as does every feg that still reads your "barfing") that you think rex's criteria was just plain "wrong" ("numbskulled"?); and so his list was way too long. my point (why do i bother?) was/is that his long list is more interesting to me than your longer list. the fact that the two lists have nothing to do with each other is immaterial. as someone who "barfs" up whatever he sees fit to stir up discussion (and complains about the dearth of discussion that ensues), you really have no grounds for condemning (and this is key; because to you, rex's list was some sort of crime against decency which should not be considered even for a second) someone else's list. i maintain that your attitude is hypo(hyper?)critical. it seems to me that the only acceptible "criteria" is that someone agrees with your perspective. <<< you might be projecting. >your admiration for me?> > >do you lust after every person you respect? (and, vicey versey, do you >respect every person you lust after?)<<< wow...um...thanx. there have been references to monestaries, colostomy bags, damnation, and bubblin' crude; but they're much too cryptic, especially when you look at your tender subject lines concerning the man who taught his asshole to talk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: deva vu thoth ken ostrander wrote: > the fact that the two lists have nothing to do with each > other is immaterial. as someone who "barfs" up whatever he sees > fit to > stir up discussion (and complains about the dearth of discussion that > ensues), you really have no grounds for condemning (and this is key; > because to you, rex's list was some sort of crime against decency > which > should not be considered even for a second) someone else's list. i > maintain that your attitude is hypo(hyper?)critical. I could just paste what I previously wrote here. You're smarter than this. I'm sure of it. Rex didn't even post any "long list." He wrote a paragraph, and mentioned about 10 albums within that paragraph which he believed were Sister Lovers-esque. So, you're not even right about that much. What's truly amazing is that Rex isn't being slapped right and left for the complete bullshit, libelous charges he made against me. Serious charges, which give me serious doubts about his sanity. But, sure, go on being upset over whose "list" is more welcome, Kenster. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #243 ********************************